what does everybody want after the Heisler? i would like to see D&RGW 2-8-2 k-27.
A tank locomotive bigger than the Porters but not a Forney. A 2-6-2t or an 0-6-2t would be fine.
Hamish
I agree with Hamish,a tank loco 2-6-2 would open up the prospects for representing a large number of roads that used tank locos,and for kit bashers, it would put my brain into overdrive,thinking of endless possibilities :o How far away are the Heislers?. I have not seen any for sale yet >:( >:(
Hi Guys,
I agree with Mr Shay. I would love to see a K-27 or K-28 done, but first of all let's give Bachmann a chance to get the production of the Heisler completed, before everyone starts hassling them again for another new model.
Happy Railroading.
RGS Goose.
From reading between the lines on other posts, I don't think we'll see the Heislers until the end of the year. As for the next thing, I'd like to see a U.S. style, non-Rio Grande Consol, like maybe the Lawndale engines.
How about a diminutive Garratt? The Tasmanian K-1 0-4-0 + 0-4-0 would fit in with past Bachmann ON30 engines, but perhaps in a 2-4-0 + 0-4-2 comnfiguration for good electrical pick-up. There was even a very elegant 1913 0-6-0 + 0-6-0 built for the 30 inch Buthiduang-Maungdan tramway in Burma.
I'd love to see something more from the 19th century with out having t back date it. I would love to see an 8-18c 4-4-0 or a 8-18d 2-6-0. Dosn't look like MMI will ever get out them"purddy" little americans. Just my few cents.
Rock On!
Dusten
Good afternoon All,
As many of may know, I am a BIG East Broad Top fan and have suggested the making of an EBT mike. The suggestion of a K27 or any K class engine has been suggested before and are in the same size class as the EBT mikes. I have two of the K27s from MMI and will tell you, unless you are planning on 26 inch radius or better you will not like them. Mine have been modified so that they run down to 20 in radius, although I rarely run that tight radius. They just do not look right. Also remember, the K class engines have cylinders that slant out at the top or bottom requiring a minimum of 3 in centers for two engines to pass each other. That type of railroad eats up a lot of real estate. I am fortunate to have the space for my On30 railroad with 26 - 30 inch radius an do run my K27s with no problem.
Another problem with the EBT mike is available sound files. Soundtraxx had them at one time but have them no longer so, even though Blackstone(a part of Soundtrax) is making the EBT 3 bay hoppers on HOn3, there is not much hope for the engines.
I agree with 2-6-2 or 2-8-2 tank engines. What I would really like to see Bachmann do is a version of the Little River 2-4-4-2 or a small logging mike that could done in about the same size as the 2-8-0s.
i think an 2-4-4-0 like the non powered version that MDC made in ho scale would be neat. this loco looks like a mallet with a 0-6-0 boiler, I'm also thinking they need to make the engines already available to be painted in their prototype engines like a 2-8-0 painted for the C&S.
I would like to see a SR&RL style 2-6-2 to go with the Forneys. I 2-6-2 tank wouldnt be bad either, as long as it is outside framed.
I think all this 'whats next' talk can make us forget how good the engines we already have are.
I have taken some pix of my K27s and 1 of my Bachmann 2-8-0s to give you some perspective of size and track requirements. I hope this comes thru ok.
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Here you see a Bachmann 2-8-0, then the 2 K27s with a Bachmann 4-6-0 on the far side.
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Here is one of the K27 on one of the exits from my turntable. I think the curve is either 22 or 24 in radius. I have another exit track with 28 in radius or greater, so the Ks do not use this exit. BTW...the coal load is made from a load from a Bachmann 2 bay steel hopper car.
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Here is a Bachmann 2-8-0 on the same exit track. Note the big difference in the cab overhang in comparison to the K27.
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Here are the two K27 in my yard. The track centers are 3.25 inches. There is a distance of 3/8 in between the cylinders. Measuring from outside of one cylinder to the far side cylinder on the other engine is measurement of about 5 3/4 inches.
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Here are the 2 K27s on the only two parallel curves on my railroad. Both curves are approximately 30 in radius. The center line is 4 1/4 inches with a space between the cylinders of approx. 1.5 inches
I hope these pix come thru and you can get an idea of how big a K class engine is On30 and the room needed to have these engines.
Let me try to repost the one pic that did not come thru.
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This the pic of the two K27s in the yard.
What is missing in the Bachmann collection is a medium size diesel shunter
A D&RGW Connie would also be nice.
Ton
Ton,
I agree, it would nice to see an On30 70 tonner.
Maybe a dcc starter set like a 2-6-0 with DCC and Tsunami sound with actual ON30 track with prototype track. maybe a 2-6-0 freight or passenger train set.
i would also like to see a class A 2 truck climax or shay.
or... OR locomotive kits for the fun of it
ebtbob is that track hand laid it is very nice and also what scale buildings and track do you use i am trying to develop my ON30 layout.
Mr Shay,
The track is Micro Engineering code 100 On30 flex track. Ironically, M.E. does not offer turnouts in code 100 to go along with their On30 flex. My turnouts are made by cutting all but a few of the plastic ties off Peco HO standard gauge turnouts and remounting them on wood ties. I do have 3 Litco turnouts on my railroad, but right now, no one seems to be able to get those turnouts from the company.
All my buildings are O scale from different manufacturers. I have some buildings from Banta, Raggs to Riches, Walthers prebuilds, Walthers kit, and American Model builders. I also have a couple of built ups from MTH.
Hi Guys,
While I would love to see a K-27 or K-28, as I said in an earlier posting, I think the idea of a small Garratt that "rayport" suggested would be brilliant. The Tasmanian K1 0-4-0 + 0-4-0 would be a perfect prototype for Bachmann to manufacture as it has very clean lines, which would make it easy to build, the protoype is in running condition in England and would be available for research, and it fits in with the small loco theme that Bachmann has been doing. I don't think pick-up would be a problem, as was suggested on another posting, as it would have 8 wheel pick-up. On any sort of reasonably laid trackwork I don't believe there would be any problem at all with that many wheels picking up.
Keep railroading, and have fun doing so.
RGS Goose.
i recall reading a D&RGW narrow gauge book and seeing a very weird diesel locomtive that did switching in durango and Alamosa in the 58 and later ill go looking through my books and maybe ill find it...
ok found it its was GE built for the US army in 1957 its called a 540hp diesel 3000 it had six wheel trucks and allowed it to be regaged for exports to other narrow gauge railroads across the world. it says that it had derailment problems becuase its trucks were not as flexible as steam engines. used for 4 years and they did't like it but it still is interesting.
also maybe a western style 4-6-0 with optional diamond stacks.
another quick idea an 2-4-2 porter saddle tank with a 4 wheel bobber tender
How bout an ALCO 0-8-0 switcher?
Rock On!
Dusten
A Mason Bogie would be a fine addition :D
Or how about the Porter engines like the 2-6-0 that was used on numerous early railroads.
Also there is a photo in The book by Koch of a Shay that was converted to gasoline and was used on a logging line in Florida.
Royce 8)
I would love to see a masson bogie, preferably a 2-6-4/6 or something.
Rock On!
Dusten
something with side rods and inside frame that would be found (not necessarily exclusively) west of the Mississippi and north of the Rio Grande...
I'd like to see the Jackson & Sharp excursion cars, all the tenders, perhaps an open trolley, and a 2-6-2 in both side-tank (a la Puffing Billy) and tender (a la SR&RL) versions.
I have noticed that no one has ever requested a model of the smaller Maine two foot engines like SR&RL number 1 and the Hinkleys.
Royce
More money to buy more... ;D
class a climax and an 0-6-0 porter with tender
Would love to see a class C three truck shay.
Why not just make a 2-6-0 out of the existing IF 4-4-0?
Royce
I'd like to see something I could use on my 1882 layout - the ever-postponed MMI 4-4-0 or a Mason-Bogie.
I would vote for a K-27 too. MMI did make them, but they had their negative sides too.
Bachmann could do far better AND make a RGS past-wreck version.
Or, if we stay with D&RGW: C-21 and C-25 plus a RGS version of the 4-6-0: 20 please... =)
Another good tasting sweetie would be the Articulated like in Fn3, never built in Narrow Gauge, but a fine lokie to have in On30. And some day a bigger, more modern Shay - West Side....?
Cheers, Tom ;) ;) ;)
I agree with you whole heartedly Rich! Except my layout's 1890 :). How about a c-16 2-8-0 from the 1880s? I'm not too good at kit bashing, and backdating, so it would be nice to see a RTR engine from the 1800s. I think I may continue to be a squeaky wheel here, and say an 8-18c 4-4-0 or a 8-18d 2-6-0 would be awesome. If you think about it; Bachmann would have a wider variety of options for the engine than MMI would. It seems as if MMI is not going to be producing the little lovelies anytime soon. Lastly the MMI versions don't have sound, yet they're about half a grand....maybe a little more.
Rock On!
Dusten
Nothing against MMI; I'm just inpatient.
A three truck Shay or Climax would nice but with metal gearing as I have had enough of the junk plastic gears !
Hi Dusten,
great to read that others also model the 19th century. After I picked 1882, I found out that locomotives like Forneys, most of the Porters, Heislers, etc did not yet exist. And modelling southern Louisiana common carier, I'm confined to locomotives that follow the concept written in a great book about the history of the KCS: ... in flat country, even the smallest locomotive could draw whatever the draft gear of those days could stand...
Thus, even the smallest consolidations like the C16 are way to "unprototypical" for me. That leaves the "standard" 4-4-0 (the Bachmann model unfortunately is a dwarf engine) and the mason bogies...
Richard
Honestly, I figure that, because of the Hiesler in Large and On30, Bachmann will make a HO scale vesion of it. I do HO scale but I do have a few On30 trains. One more thing, about the SR&RL trains is that they are two foot gauge, not 30 inch. If you were trying to scale that with something eles in the normal scales, such as O gauge, you would need to create a whole new track gauge for them to work on. If they made them to share a common track, that would bring on a whole new scale. If I was going to guess, that is why they haven't made any of the SR&RL two foot gauge trains.
Quote from: wtierce on October 16, 2011, 08:03:45 AM
One more thing, about the SR&RL trains is that they are two foot gauge, not 30 inch. If you were trying to scale that with something eles in the normal scales, such as O gauge, you would need to create a whole new track gauge for them to work on. If they made them to share a common track, that would bring on a whole new scale. If I was going to guess, that is why they haven't made any of the SR&RL two foot gauge trains.
You have the same problem with making a 3ft prototype engine like the ET&WNC 4-6-0. As good as the engine looks, it was far to big to be a useful engine on my layout. I would rather an engine that is too small than too big.
Bachmann hasn't made any SR&RL prototype items, but the pulpwood car, long caboose and forneys are all inspired by rolling stock that ran on the SR&RL. That is why I would like to see a 2-6-2 along the same lines.
It does not matter if you mix the On30 with O scale standard gauge as the standard gauge really comes out to be 5 foot gauge rather than the 4 81/2 unless you opt for proto 48 so why sweat the difference.
As far as 1882 why dont you use the Bachmann mogul and modify it like the D&RG class 45? I have done this and it makes a very attractive engine. If you want to do anything earlier than that you are just going to have to do a lot of scratch or bashing.
I do have a old Janenese 1/50 scale Porter mogul that is waiting on a suitable HO mechanisim for a conversion.
Gloria
rich19, can you share the name of that book? I think we are both modeling the same era and type railroads. ::)
Gloria
Also in defense of the IF 4-4-0, a great deal of railroads started their life with smaller engines.
The Colorado Central had 2 engines that they nick named "Punch & Judy" and were about half the size of the 4-4-0.
I plan to aquire one of these and shorten the smoke box and add a diamond stack. My railroad only hauls one freight car and a combine much like the silverton Railroad and it is set in the mid west so the only hills are the rough track work and lack of proper grading.
Gloria
A lot of interesting suggestions, so far. Here are my thoughts:
1) DRGW K's - since they have been done by MMI, the market for new ones would be limited, especially since they are so big.
2) Beyer-Garrett - as long as the prototype chosen was a small 24" or 30" gauge engine I would be interested in one.
3) 4-4-0 & 2-6-0 - Bachmann has already done two different 4-4-0's, plus MMI hasn't had sufficient interest to bring these to fruition, so it's unlikely Bachmann will want to risk the cost of doing another American
4) EBT Mike - another loco that is too big to fit into Bachmann's scheme
5) A 2-4-4-0 is too close to the recently released 2-6-6-2, which is a sweet loco by the way.
6) A two truck diesel - Rich Yoder has one already in brass, SP's "Little Giant", so that particular market is limited like the K's, but of the same size but different prototype would be great. A WP&Y diesel would be nice, but again these are also large and wouldn't fit everyone's layout.
7) D&RGW 2-8-0 - Bachmann already has an excellent 2-8-0, plus Broadway Limited flooded the market with their C-16, which towards the end were selling for under $50 with sound from the factory outlet. A smaller prototype than current 2-8-0's might be nice, though.
8) An Alco 0-8-0 sounds like a standard gauge engine, unless it is a tank locomotive, in which case, it could be considered along with an 0-6-0T or 2-6-2T. Depending on the prototype chosen, it could fit into the line-up nicely.
9) Mason Bogie - I know several guys that think they want one of these, but if past releases in other scales are any indication, a M-B with it's long rigid wheelbase and long overhangs simply wouldn't work on most On30 layouts. Besides, they look a lot like Forneys, which Bachmann already offers.
10) Excursion Car (in either style as already offered in HO) and/or Open Trolley - Bachmann has done these in other scales, so the research has already been done, and I'd probably buy either or both if offered.
11) Small Forney's from Maine - I'd love to see them happen and would buy 'em if released, but I'm not sure if the market can support more Forneys right now.
12) Class A Climax - I'd like to see one, but ONLY if it has metal gears and parts are made available. I've already had enough headaches with two Shays, a Climax, a Railtruck, and BSGS (Bachmann Splitting Gear Syndrome).
13) Porter 0-6-0 or 0-4-0 saddle tank, or 0-4-0 or 2-4-2 with 4 wheel tender - Might be a real charmer if the right prototype was selected, like one of the Hawaii sugar locos. Also it would need both lead & trailing truck plus tender pickup for reliable operation.
14) 3 Truck Shay - Shays are cool and I love 'em, but a three trucker would be too big, and all the problems with the existing On30 Shay are likely to be repeated. Been there, done that.
15) A SR&RL 2-6-2 would be hard for me to resist, especially if it was close to SR&RL #24. Realistically though, a 2-6-2T might be more likely to be a better seller.
Here's a couple of my own suggestions:
1) A two truck trolley car - it's been a long while since Trolley fans have been tempted by anything On30
2) An Birney - Bachmann already has the research done for these in HO scale.
3) A small electric freight loco, either a boxcab or steeplecab. If it was styled after some of the early Ingersol Rand boxcab diesels, it could be offered as either an electric loco or a diesel/distillate loco just by changing the add-on details.
4) How about an updated version of the loco that put On30 on the map, Bachmann's 2-6-0, improved with both loco AND tender pickup, working front coupler (and also perhaps an optional switcher pilot), along with DCC and Sound. I know I'd be tempted to buy more than one!
More than two cents worth,
Bill in FL
How about a small Baldwin 2-6-0? You would have the off set drivers to give it intrest and a wagon top boiler. Could this be done using the IF 4-4-0?
Gloria
Quote from: Royce Wilson on October 17, 2011, 06:11:50 PM
How about a small Baldwin 2-6-0? You would have the off set drivers to give it intrest and a wagon top boiler. Could this be done using the IF 4-4-0?
Gloria
Hi Gloria,
Not likely, since the Bachmann IF 4-4-0 is so small. A 2-6-0 with any offset spacing between the last pair of drivers (to clear the firebox) would likely require new tooling as as well, because the boiler would need to be longer. I don't know if there is a prototype for a 2-6-0 that small, but you can usually find a prototype for just about anything if you look hard enough. Question is why would there be enough demand for a loco like this, yet not enough for MMI to commit production on a similar loco. I think the real situation is that Bachmann may be willing to take a chance with smaller sales numbers where both Broadway Limited and MMI jumped into On30 expecting big sales numbers, and haven't produced anything since, once reality set in. I think in the case of Broadway (BLI), their financing was so tight, and they had so many other products for HO & N in the pipeline, that they had to drop their pants on the pricing of the C-16 and the Goose to keep up the cashflow. This killed the street price of an awful lot of C-16's and Gooses (Geese) that can still be found sitting on dealer's shelves. Many dealers now won't carry BLI products now because of this, which I think has hurt the chances for more new On30 products from them even more. The sound decoders on the K-27 from MMI were so terrible that most people tore them out and put in Tsunami's or Lok Sound's and that has hurt the sales potential for their future On30 items as well. All of this hasn't gone unnoticed by Bachmann, I'm sure, and I'd be willing to bet it has made them more cautious about announcing new On30 products, too.
Bill in FL
I really don't think you can compare the MMI model's and their success or failure with Bachmann's...MMI is basically making "brass" style locos with cast boiler and some other parts, but still A LOT of brass-like detailing and hand crafting...while Bachmann would be making more of a mass-produced, less intricate model...so I can't see how MMI backing away from a 4-4-0 because it would have had to retail for FAR more they originally planned would effect Bachmann one way or the other
same with the BLI 2-8-0, for the opposite reasons, BLI made a poor, crude model and tried to price it like the more sophisticated Bachmann 2-8-0 (and it's not like Bachmann locos don't go for way less than their original market price sometimes too ;) )
IMO this is still plenty of room in the On30/On3 market for a good quality, reasonably priced C-16-ish 2-8-0 or 1880's 4-4-0 (or 2-6-0)
i read earlier in a few post that people want a mason bogie. that's a great idea how about a smaller 2-8-2 that uses the
2-8-0 body with an extra back wheel. i tried doing this with my 2-8-0 but... well i afraid to modify because this engine cost me a lot of money and i don't want to ruin it with a hand twitch or something, here are my other thoughts about newer engines.
h.k. porter 2-6-0
Lima shay class a 2 truck vertical boiler or a class c 3 truck
newer 0-4-0t porters with bigger saddle tank like the g scale version
2-4-4-0t saddle tank
silverton northern Casey Jones RR truck
older 4-6-0
@gloria:
The book I referred to is "Kansas City Southern in the Deramis Era" from Louis Marre published by Wither's. It's not focussing on the early railroading era actually. However, they elaborately describe all KCS predecessors. Very nice book. The quote must be seen in the context of the steam locomotives used between Kansas City and Shreveport (e.g. the mallets) over Rich Mountain and the ones deployed south of Shreveport - a huge contrast.
Also, I can highly recommend the books from Joan and Thomas Gandy who published the Natchez photographs of Henry and Earl Norman. The Book "Natchez City Streets Revisited" (Arcadia Publishibg) shows hundreds of photos of the typical Louisiana houses in the late 1800's.
Richard
wow almost everything said in this post is available at backwoods miniatures ;D
and now we wait to see what bachmann comes out with next year... i only hope next year will come soon!
One in N scale!
I would like to see a larger shay,one big enough to pull logs in mountainous terrain. The one we have now looks almost to little to even pull trains at Disney world! I ain't holdin' my breath though...
Lets have them make some of the Glover engines. ;DThese were used in logging,construction work and industrial lines and of course the ww1 trench engines and who would not want a Puffing Billy!
Royce Wilson
Here's an easy one Mr. Bachmann....an 18 ton, 0-4-0 Porter saddle tank. You already have the CAD drawings from the G scale version you did. It was a universally used prototype, a very popular model no longer offered by Grandt Line, Line and would offer a nicely sized loco between the original Porters and the geared locos. And no one is going to give you grief about the gear train !
Rick G. in NH.
Rick,If I had my dreams then I would like to see models of the 18T 0-4-0 and the 0-6-0 and 2-6-0 Porters.I think most folks in On30 like the small engines.
Royce
Oh my, Royce,
Just picture the 1880's MOGUL ala Balboa/ Ken Kidder, NWSL Spartan !!!
And everyone thinks the inside frame 4-4-0 is small......LOL !
But as I said, Mr B. already has all the CAD work done for the saddle tank. And an 0-6-0 version should be equally easy given the HO mechanism that already exists.
Rick
I have purchased the IF 4-4-0 and it is a beautiful locomotive and yes a small 2-6-0 like a Porter or something would be nice.
Royce
I'd like to see a Heisler !!! A later model 20+ tonner
How about a small 4 wheel bobber caboose?
Royce
The gauge could use some ehhh... era or setting broadening. Something newer or just plain different that would stand out, yet mix in along more recent full O line would be nice. An industrial gas/electric, small full electric, for supplementing trolley lines!; esp. would like an electric Steeple cab for delivery/work duty, with a hand crane, flat with a work platform, and work caboose! Or a heftier, larger, later diesel. A detailed new age miners loco and cars? Sigh... If its got to be old steam again, a little Dewey Bro's, a stout Baldwin geared/cogged with the heavy outside framework, or something long and Garratt sandwiched between tanks would at least be a new and different look.
Large industrial diesel similar to #19 on the C&TS or the ex-steel mill locomotives now in use on the Durango & Silverton.
Large enough to serve as short line motive power during the steam/diesel transition era yet small enough to be BIG industrial power.
Would also make the On3 guys happy.
Quote from: Kevin S. on April 03, 2013, 01:53:20 PM
Large industrial diesel similar to #19 on the C&TS or the ex-steel mill locomotives now in use on the Durango & Silverton.
Large enough to serve as short line motive power during the steam/diesel transition era yet small enough to be BIG industrial power.
Nice example Kevin. "Dat's what Im talkin' about".
Mason bogie.
Royce ;D
How about a speeder,not the small Fairmont type,but a larger type that had maybe a flat head v-8?..I think this would relate to most modelers and the larger size would make a good runner in On30. Every one needs a MOW vehicle.
Also the 18' freight cars are nice! and thanks Bachmann.
Royce
A Westside Lumber Company 3-truck shay locomotive would be awesome, Westside number 7, or 15 both in different road names.
Road names
Swane Lumber Company (Westside 7)
Westside Lumber Company (Both Westside 7 and 15)
Sierra Nevada Lumber Company (Westside 15
Butte & Flumes Lumber Company (Westside 7)
Painted unlettered steal cab in both with red and white stripes and plain black (Westside 7)
Painted Unlettered wood cab in both red and white stripes (Westside 15)
The price on here would be about $600-$800 but would sell on the market for as low as $350 to about $400 & $500 as an average, and no doubt be hot sell outs since Westside shays are probably the most popular shays with model railroaders, and numbers 7 and 15 given they are 60 tonners that are nearly identical with the exception of the air pump & dynamo location, and cab construction material. They would be a great size on layouts, and will be great sellers. I would buy both no doubt since shays 7 and 15 are my favorites (7 being my favorite today in general and 15 a favorite for when she was at Westside).
They will probably be the hottest things for many model railroaders.
Also a 45 ton Diesel switch, I really want one on my O scale railroad for my On30 section. They would be awesome.
I'm easy to please. Re release the 2-6-0 with on board DCC/Sound and tender pick up.
I and Ignorant about the sound thing,I once owned a PFM sound unit and burned out on sound.
Would it be more cost effective for the buyer to by the standard off the shelf mogul and the add the sound and tender pickup?
Royce
I'm with you on upgrading the 2-6-0 Mogul to have DCC, sound, and all-wheel pickup, I've been advocating for Bachmann to do that for a couple of years now. And more recently, I've also been thinking about an upgraded Davenport Gas-Mechanical with sound.
As for a Mason Bogie, while it would certainly be unique, I'm not sure it would be that practical for a couple of reasons. First, it wasn't that popular of a locomotive with the prototype railroads. Secondly, it would likely have similar problems to the Forney with extreme overhang causing coupler issues and long wheelbase that requires large radius curves.
Still what I would really like to see is a Sandy River 2-6-2 Prairie to compliment the Forney, pulpwood cars and side-door caboose. I also could be happy with a 2-6-2 logging tank loco.
Bill in FtL
steam wise: the Sandy River and Rangeley Lakes RR 2-6-2 either #23 or #24
diesel wise: a large diesel, White Pass & Yukon Route RR #98 or #103
coach wise: an open excursion coach on the standard under frame
Top of the list is the 2-6-2, and from what I read on the Internet not only on my list ;)
cheers, Leo
Something I think would fit in with Bachmann's small loco concept is Sandy River RR second No. 3, Old Star, a little outside-frame Mogul originally built for a still-born logging RR in North Carolina. She became SR&RL No. 16, and was one of the locos rebuilt into a 2-6-2 by the MEC.
Class A and/or Class B Dunkirk