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Title: 1890's American 4-4-0 B&O Royal Blue loco
Post by: hcopter51 on February 08, 2012, 10:46:26 AM
 :D Hi All....I have the above loco and am looking for passenger cars to go with it...Not able to locate so far....Any help/advice would be appreciated......Thanks.. ;D
Title: Re: 1890's American 4-4-0 B&O Royal Blue loco
Post by: jonathan on February 08, 2012, 10:55:46 AM
Mantua makes some:

http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/455-719525

Not sure if they are correct for the 4-4-0, but I use 'em.  The blues match up pretty well and makes a nice looking train.

(http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu146/jsnvogel/Rolling%20Stock/DSCN0821.jpg)

They are out of stock at most places right now, but I see these at train shows all the time.

Regards,

Jonathan
Title: Re: 1890's American 4-4-0 B&O Royal Blue loco
Post by: ebtnut on February 08, 2012, 12:22:19 PM
IIRC, the Royal Blue of the late 19th Century used narrow vestibule cars.  In this design, only the corridor connection between cars was enclosed, leaving the steps in the open.  I don't recall any recent models of such cars.  Way back in the dark ages kits for these Royal Blue cars were made, by Binkley if memory serves.  Haven't seen any around for years. 
Title: Re: 1890's American 4-4-0 B&O Royal Blue loco
Post by: richg on February 08, 2012, 12:30:49 PM
Roundhouse has a four car set called Overton. The cars are 34' long. Actually, only two where made, passenger and combine, for one railroad and they where not called Overton's. That is a term applied by MDC/Roundhouse many years ago. I have the Lima four car set.
I found the Roundhouse B&O set, blue in a search. Not ebay either.
I bet you can find the Mantua in a search.

Rich
Title: Re: 1890's American 4-4-0 B&O Royal Blue loco
Post by: hcopter51 on February 08, 2012, 12:49:47 PM
 ;) Thanks Jonathan et al.....I checked the Walthers site and it says they are in transit to a LHS in Illinois....What radius curve is acceptable??? I will search forever till I get them..... ;D Saw the loco on Amazon.....Beautiful set!!!! Anyone else know who has them currently, let me know......Thanks again all.... ;)
Title: Re: 1890's American 4-4-0 B&O Royal Blue loco
Post by: uncbob on February 08, 2012, 01:06:47 PM
I have both the Overlands ( lot available ) and Overtons
I got them both undecorated and painted and decaled for my Freelanced fanfare
I have 20 and 22 radius

I prefer the Overlands as they mimic what was readily used back when
Overtons are nice but were a more specialized car back when

Mine can be seen here
http://bandb3536.com/meo/fanfare.htm (http://bandb3536.com/meo/fanfare.htm)


Here is a video of the OT 4-4-0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt-xv7nNMc4&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt-xv7nNMc4&feature=youtu.be)

And of a 4-6-0 pulling Overtons (Yeah I know the next to last car has a wheel off track (:-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7i66BILxFI&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7i66BILxFI&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL)
Title: Re: 1890's American 4-4-0 B&O Royal Blue loco
Post by: richg on February 08, 2012, 01:07:26 PM
I just PM'd you.

Rich
Title: Re: 1890's American 4-4-0 B&O Royal Blue loco
Post by: Johnson Bar Jeff on February 08, 2012, 01:37:49 PM
The Model Power "Mantua Classics" B&O "Royal Blue" cars show up on eBay regularly. I usually see them when I make my daily search under "Mantua."

Of course Bachmann's HO "Royal Blue" locomotive isn't an 1890s engine, it's the 1860s "U.P. #119" in fancy dress.  ;)
Title: Re: 1890's American 4-4-0 B&O Royal Blue loco
Post by: Johnson Bar Jeff on February 08, 2012, 01:48:44 PM
Quote from: uncbob on February 08, 2012, 01:06:47 PM
Here is a video of the OT 4-4-0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt-xv7nNMc4&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt-xv7nNMc4&feature=youtu.be)

That engine is what I call a "late model" Rivarossi "Genoa"; you can tell it by the red pilot and the levers connecting the whistle/top of the steam dome to the cab roof. I have a couple of those engines myself. I understand that strictly speaking they are oversize for scale, but I think they're beautiful engines.
Title: Re: 1890's American 4-4-0 B&O Royal Blue loco
Post by: hcopter51 on February 08, 2012, 01:55:13 PM
Quote from: richg on February 08, 2012, 01:07:26 PM
I just PM'd you.

Rich

Back atcha......Thanks ;)
Title: Re: 1890's American 4-4-0 B&O Royal Blue loco
Post by: richg on February 08, 2012, 01:55:49 PM
This might help yours run a little better. It helped me as I run mine with DCC.

http://www.pacificcoastairlinerr.com/bachmann_4-4-0/wipers/

Rich
Title: Re: 1890's American 4-4-0 B&O Royal Blue loco
Post by: hcopter51 on February 08, 2012, 02:02:42 PM
Quote from: richg on February 08, 2012, 01:55:49 PM
This might help yours run a little better. It helped me as I run mine with DCC.

http://www.pacificcoastairlinerr.com/bachmann_4-4-0/wipers/

Rich

Excellent Article!!!!  :D Thanks sooooooo much for all the help....... ;)
Title: Re: 1890's American 4-4-0 B&O Royal Blue loco
Post by: hcopter51 on February 08, 2012, 02:09:31 PM
Mine can be seen here
http://bandb3536.com/meo/fanfare.htm (http://bandb3536.com/meo/fanfare.htm)


Here is a video of the OT 4-4-0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt-xv7nNMc4&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt-xv7nNMc4&feature=youtu.be)

And of a 4-6-0 pulling Overtons (Yeah I know the next to last car has a wheel off track (:-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7i66BILxFI&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7i66BILxFI&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL)

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Still marvelous videos.......Thanks, they look great!!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: 1890's American 4-4-0 B&O Royal Blue loco
Post by: uncbob on February 08, 2012, 04:31:44 PM
My OT 4-4-0 is very reliable

It is either an IHC or Rivarossi

I can't remember which as I bought both

Title: Re: 1890's American 4-4-0 B&O Royal Blue loco
Post by: ebtnut on February 08, 2012, 04:49:08 PM
Go here for a look at what powered the Royal Blue trains in the 1890's:
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/bo859s.jpg
Title: Re: 1890's American 4-4-0 B&O Royal Blue loco
Post by: richg on February 08, 2012, 05:19:20 PM
Quote from: ebtnut on February 08, 2012, 04:49:08 PM
Go here for a look at what powered the Royal Blue trains in the 1890's:
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/bo859s.jpg

High driver 4-4-0 with air pump on the drivers side. Very hard to find a model like this. I have seen a similar type at White River Junction, VT some years ago. It is now under a roof.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:White_River_Junction_VT.jpg

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/locoPicture.aspx?id=84127

Rich
Title: Re: 1890's American 4-4-0 B&O Royal Blue loco
Post by: uncbob on February 08, 2012, 06:00:57 PM
Man that is some high wheeled beast
Title: Re: 1890's American 4-4-0 B&O Royal Blue loco
Post by: ebtnut on February 08, 2012, 06:51:15 PM
I'm guessing that the drivers on the B&M loco are around 60 -65 inches.  The Royal Blue loco had 78" drivers.  FWIW, the drivers on a PRR K-4 are 80" as are, I believe, the B&O P-7's.  About the only model I can think of that comes close to the B&O loco is the brass version of NYC 999 which I beleive was originally equipped with 88" drivers.  It was later rebuilt with smaller drivers and now resides in a museum in Chicago. 
Title: Re: 1890's American 4-4-0 B&O Royal Blue loco
Post by: Johnson Bar Jeff on February 08, 2012, 08:09:41 PM
Quote from: uncbob on February 08, 2012, 04:31:44 PM
My OT 4-4-0 is very reliable

It is either an IHC or Rivarossi

I can't remember which as I bought both

Except that you've repainted the tender, it looks exactly like my Rivarossi. I've found the Rivarossis generally to be more reliable than the IHCs. Thing is, I suspect that they both came out of the same European factory somewhere, because they are interchangeable. I've taken the locomotive superstructure (boiler and cab) and tender shell off an IHC engine that wouldn't run well for anything and mounted them on the chassis and tender frame of a Rivarossi engine.
Title: Re: 1890's American 4-4-0 B&O Royal Blue loco
Post by: Johnson Bar Jeff on February 08, 2012, 08:54:18 PM
Quote from: ebtnut on February 08, 2012, 06:51:15 PM
I'm guessing that the drivers on the B&M loco are around 60 -65 inches.  The Royal Blue loco had 78" drivers.  FWIW, the drivers on a PRR K-4 are 80" as are, I believe, the B&O P-7's.  About the only model I can think of that comes close to the B&O loco is the brass version of NYC 999 which I beleive was originally equipped with 88" drivers.  It was later rebuilt with smaller drivers and now resides in a museum in Chicago. 

Some of the sub-classes of PRR D-class 4-4-0s that were in use on trains such as the Pennsylvania Limited in the 1890s had 80-inch drivers.
Title: Re: 1890's American 4-4-0 B&O Royal Blue loco
Post by: hcopter51 on February 09, 2012, 10:11:02 AM
 ;) Man, glad I started this.....Thanks for the pics and all the info.....What a Beautiful piece of history....Would have loved to ride on this train or even driven it,HA!!!!! Keep the pics/info comming......I may even print out the pic of the B&M info and frame it in my train room..... :) I love to know as much as possible of the history behind my model loco's.....

John
Title: Re: 1890's American 4-4-0 B&O Royal Blue loco
Post by: richg on February 09, 2012, 04:36:39 PM
It appears you are looking for info so below is  link with many hits that you can play with. Make a B&O Info folder in Favorites and store the links you like.

http://tinyurl.com/7d2ds3a

Rich
Title: Re: 1890's American 4-4-0 B&O Royal Blue loco
Post by: hcopter51 on February 09, 2012, 06:15:27 PM
Quote from: richg on February 09, 2012, 04:36:39 PM
It appears you are looking for info so below is  link with many hits that you can play with. Make a B&O Info folder in Favorites and store the links you like.

http://tinyurl.com/7d2ds3a

Rich

;) Thanks Rich, I will do just that!!!!

John
Title: Re: 1890's American 4-4-0 B&O Royal Blue loco
Post by: hcopter51 on February 09, 2012, 06:18:14 PM
Quote from: jonathan on February 08, 2012, 10:55:46 AM
Mantua makes some:

http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/455-719525

Not sure if they are correct for the 4-4-0, but I use 'em.  The blues match up pretty well and makes a nice looking train.

(http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu146/jsnvogel/Rolling%%3Cbr%20/%3E%3Cbr%20/%3E%3Cbr%20/%3E%3Cbr%20/%3E%3Cbr%20/%3E%3Cbr%20/%3E%3Cbr%20/%3E%3Cbr%20/%3E20Stock/DSCN0821.jpg)

They are out of stock at most places right now, but I see these at train shows all the time.

Regards,

Jonathan


Jonathan, are you running one combine and two passenger????? ;D