Due to the success of the new EM-1's, have you guys considered making any other types of Yellowstone class engines? AC-9's, or something alone those lines?
-Thank you
If bachmann were to make one, I would totally get a DMIR M-3 Yellowstone.
If they were to bring out either the AC9 or the M3 I don't think they could make them fast enough ;D
Have to admit the Southern Pacific AC9 with its streamlined skyline shroud to be the most handsome of all the articulateds...dare i say pretty ???
Probably the most logical choice would be the Challenger 4-6-6-4. Do it up detailed for the different roads that had them - UP, D&RGW, SP&S, WM, D&H, among others - which would certainly spread out the market.
The challenger aye?
Unless you're talking about the non-UP style Challenger that D&RGW has, I really don't think the market needs another cookie cutter challenger, wayyyy too many out there
(http://www.brasstrains.com/images/products/036913/DSC00246.jpg)
I'm truly surprised the EM-1 came out with the MASSIVE demand for a yellowstone, heck even I'd get one because the Rio Grande used them, also look at other possibilities:
The plastic/diecast market is FLOODED with heavy and small articulateds, what we really lack are the MEDIUM sized articulateds. I mean sure we have the heavy engines like the C&O, B&O, Union Pacific and Norfolk and western superpower, and then the light loggers of mantua, but what I really notice is a lack of the middlemen of medium sized articulateds like the ones used by NYC, Norfolk and Western and Rio Grande, etc, etc.
NYC:
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g65/ryeguyisme/arti-1.png)
B&M:
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g65/ryeguyisme/BMSteam026.jpg)
D&RGW:
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g65/ryeguyisme/l62e.png)
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g65/ryeguyisme/ho_psc_drgw_l-76_3350.jpg)
A perfect example would be something of the same class used by different roads, it'd be more marketable because you could sell it to more people
Like the Denver and Salt lake 2-6-6-0 which was also owned by D&RGW. Very popular model in the brass community:
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g65/ryeguyisme/2011-08-11-16-14-02-DSC05951.jpg)
Or even better the Norfolk and western Z-1a AKA Denver and Rio Grande Western L-76 2-6-6-2:
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g65/ryeguyisme/Sept_2010_Model_Contest_Steam_1st_Andrew_Merriam_2_DRGW_2-6-6-2.jpg)
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g65/ryeguyisme/Sept_2010_Model_Contest_Steam_1st_Andrew_Merriam_1_DRGW_2-6-6-2.jpg)
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g65/ryeguyisme/arti.png)
I love medium articulateds, not too big, not too small
Would also love to see a DMIR M-3 Yellowstone. They would sell so quickly lol! ;D
The Virginian 2-10-10-2 would be another idea. I know Lionel has made one for O scale. Im not sure if any have been made for HO scale other than Brass.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/ba/Virginian_Railway_AE.jpg)
This little item was up a while back:
http://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/board/index.php/topic,13419.0.html
From the N scale forum--scroll down a bit to find out about other engines that could be based on the EM-1, including a comment by someone that the mechanism could be the base for up to 11 engines (which is more than I am aware of):
http://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/board/index.php/topic,17516.0.html
Incredibly, that VGN AE (2-10-10-2) had a version of it scratchbuilt by a fellow in Great Britain in HO scale. What was most amazing about it wasn't that it looked as good as it did (quite good), but that the thing was live steam, and a compound, too!
It's a big engine, with a boiler about as fat as that of an Allegheny--108". Normal operating speed was only about 8 mph, due to the huge 48" low-pressure pistons and their dynamic forces.
I think only 10 of these monsters were built, and for a railroad that wasn't that well known; I'm not sure it would justify the expense at Bachmann.
Live steam version what looks like Gauge 1; apparently it pulls pretty good:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtW2UE66nqs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=QQGTkpNlbbQ
The Virginian made the 2-10-10-2s work because they needed massive power, even if it was slow. The Santa Fe failed because the nature of that railroad was long hauls. Consequently, they needed speed as well as power and they weren't able to produce enough steam for both. So they disassembled their "Double Santa Fe" locos and turned them back into the 2-10-2s they were born from. It was a very interesting experiment, however.
-- D
So what do you think Mr Bachmann?
Hmmmmmm.....what could we do that has a Keystone on it?.... ;D
(http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/bucksco/Bachmann/articulated/PRR_Q2.jpg)
(http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/bucksco/Bachmann/articulated/prr378.jpg)
(http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/bucksco/Bachmann/articulated/prr6100.jpg)
(http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/bucksco/Bachmann/articulated/tr_prr5541.jpg)
Are there not too many articulated model available already from several manufacturers?
All the keystone articulateds are already made by non-brass manufacturers except for the PRR 0-8-8-0
I was joking...... but man does not live by articulated alone......
Quote from: ryeguyisme on February 14, 2012, 06:10:57 PM
All the keystone articulateds are already made by non-brass manufacturers except for the PRR 0-8-8-0
As for articulateds I do believe only the CC-2 0-8-8-0 and the HC-1 2-8-8-0 were built in house for the Pennsy,all the others were rigid frame duplex locomotives.
Quote from: Yardmaster on February 14, 2012, 05:42:21 PM
Hmmmmmm.....what could we do that has a Keystone on it?.... ;D
(http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/bucksco/Bachmann/articulated/prr6100.jpg)
Heehee yah an S1 for Bachmann. Minimum radius = 60" ;)
Freak-
This isn't an artic. It's a rigid-frame duplex with doubled cylinders, each set driving two axles.
-- D
Hence the joke I made about having a minimum 60" radius :)
aaaaaaaahhhhhhhh pennys big bad 1939 worlds fair attraction
damm that was one big mudda of a locomotive
still i would love to see it made in H.O. ready to run
Quote from: john tricarico on February 16, 2012, 05:59:09 PM
aaaaaaaahhhhhhhh pennys big bad 1939 worlds fair attraction
damm that was one big mudda of a locomotive
still i would love to see it made in H.O. ready to run
I can see BLI or MTH making that one. Theres a good chance it will happen. MTH made one in O scale, so its likely that an HO one will eventually be made.
Quote from: Steam Freak on February 16, 2012, 07:01:38 PM
Quote from: john tricarico on February 16, 2012, 05:59:09 PM
aaaaaaaahhhhhhhh pennys big bad 1939 worlds fair attraction
damm that was one big mudda of a locomotive
still i would love to see it made in H.O. ready to run
I can see BLI or MTH making that one. Theres a good chance it will happen. MTH made one in O scale, so its likely that an HO one will eventually be made.
And was MTHs 0 scale model built with the rigid frame i wonder! ::)
You can bet, if MTHs makes a HO scale model it will not have a rigid frame.
Quote from: RAM on February 16, 2012, 08:10:01 PM
You can bet, if MTHs makes a HO scale model it will not have a rigid frame.
Lol true statement. Will probably be optional like they had with the 4-12-2.
However if BLI makes one, it probably will have a rigid frame.
PRR - Standard Railroad of the World.......
- 2-8-8-2 Norfolk & Western class Y3 borrowed by PRR during World War II.
Anyways; getting back to the intent of the original post:
Yardmaster: Would you be able to pass on the ideas to Mr Bachmann? Or whoever does engine design? Would love to see more types of Yellow Stones.
Don't worry the Bach man reads the forum everyday.
BTW....The PRR was the largest railroad by traffic and revenue in the U.S. for the first half of the twentieth century and was at one time the largest publicly traded corporation in the world
yes but I believe, the D&RGW and the Norfolk and Western RR had the most articulateds
Quote from: ryeguyisme on February 18, 2012, 12:36:30 PM
yes but I believe, the D&RGW and the Norfolk and Western RR had the most articulateds
RyeGuy-
Define "most." Greatest total number? Greatest variety? Largest proportion of all steam motive power? Most heavily used? Largest number at a specific point in time? I think there are different answers to these questions if we actually go to the data. The N&W is surely in the running; I'm a little less sure about the D&RGW. And let's not forget the UP which had what many consider the best or near best (Yes, I know, define "best.") articulateds in the Challenger and Big Boy. I, personally, would toss in the DM&IR Yellowstones and the various SP Cab Forwards.
-- D
"BTW....The PRR was the largest railroad by traffic and revenue in the U.S. for the first half of the twentieth century and was at one time the largest publicly traded corporation in the world."--The Yardmaster
I wonder if the Yardmaster is a Pennsy fan! :-)
Still, there is the saying that everyone models the Pennsy and another road--because of the Pennsy's huge freight car fleet that went everywhere, particularly all those box cars. . . .
We ARE located in Philadelphia, Pa......
Quote from: Yardmaster on February 18, 2012, 09:33:44 PM
We ARE located in Philadelphia, Pa......
Yardmaster-
True. But that doesn't mean that Bachmann has to be stimulus bound!
-- D
Quote from: Doneldon on February 18, 2012, 09:46:51 PM
Quote from: Yardmaster on February 18, 2012, 09:33:44 PM
We ARE located in Philadelphia, Pa......
Yardmaster-
True. But that doesn't mean that Bachmann has to be stimulus bound!
-- D
Haha I agree ;D
To be quite honest, I never thought I would see the day when Bachmann would make a large articulated. They've always been more for small to medium type of engines. This is definitely a new big step for them. And Im pretty happy to see that its finally been done :)
Would also LOVE to have an HO scale version of the G scale 2-6-6-2 compound tank engine that was made. Clover Valley #4 at Niles Canyon is almost completed and is expected to be running sometime this year. Its going to be the 2nd only compound articulated running in the world. I really want to be able to model after that engine in HO scale.
bachmann's 2-6-6-2 would actually be considered a large articulated due to it's boiler size
Quote from: ryeguyisme on February 18, 2012, 12:36:30 PM
yes but I believe, the D&RGW and the Norfolk and Western RR had the most articulateds
C&O was right up there - they had about 250 2-6-6-2, 40 2-8-8-2's and 60 2-6-6-6's for a total of 350. N&W had something like 225 2-8-8-2's and, if I counted right, 175 2-6-6-2's, along with their 43 2-6-6-4's, for a total of 442 or so. D&RGW by comparison had only about 75 articulateds. UP rostered about 70 2-8-8-0's, 35 2-8-8-2's (30 purchased from C&O and 5 from N&W during the war), about 170 4-6-6-4's and of course 25 4-8-8-4's for a total of about 300. SP was another big user with 194 4-8-8-2's and nearly 100 2-6-6-2's. N&W and C&O were both relatively small roads compared to the others on this list, but they used the 2-6-6-2's for mine shifter work and you could barely go anywhere on either road without tripping over a whole wad of them...
The 2-6-6-2 I was referring to was Bachmann's G scale 2-6-6-2T, and how it would be great if they made an HO version of that.
Hey Rye, you showed pics of two of my favorites arties. The 3700's were the chalengers that the Rio Grande wanted more of. They were very versital and were used throughout the system, being used even in Alamosa on the standard guage. Instead of sending more 3700's the government in its great wisdom, (some things never change) diverted an order of UP chalengers, fine for the UP but all wrong for the Rio Grande. The UP's, due to the tight radius curves on the Rio Grande were useless in Colorado, and were restricted to running between Ogden and Helper Ut. The Grande was so glad for the Clinchfield to take them over after the war, as they were roundly hated by the Rio Grande engine men. The D&SL's 200 series 2-6-6-0's, renumbered by the Rio Grande, were fine powerful loco's that started out as 0-6-6-0's paterned after old Maud, a famous? B&O engine of the time. They were purchased for pulling heavy tonage ove the Hill (Rollins Pass) before the Moffat Tunnel was built and to push the 3 rotarys the D&SL reguired in the winter.
I ran out of space?. Anyway, I'd love to have a couple of those in ho at a price I could afford. I think they might even look pretty good on someones 4x8. :D ;D