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Title: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box
Post by: captain1313 on April 11, 2012, 04:20:07 PM
Anyone with a Dynamis with the Pro Box that is thinking about adding the 5 amp booster......think again.  They are not compatible.  You lose Program track capabilities because that is the port that you use to run the DCC signal to the booster.  I think I have a wiring solution using a DPDT switch.  I post again if it works.   But you'll  only be able to use main track or program track...not both at the same time.  It would have been nice if Bachmann stated in the Dynamis manual that the Pro Box and Booster were not compatible with each other. 

And before anyone suggests calling the Service Dept..............been there...........done that.  ::)

There has to be a way..............and...........I WILL FIND IT.

Kevin



Title: Re: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box
Post by: Rangerover1944 on April 12, 2012, 05:14:30 PM
The more I learn from others.........would you kindly post if you found an answer! Thanks in advance! Jim


Title: Re: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box
Post by: crspada on August 15, 2012, 09:32:20 PM
Wish someone would answer this post who has added any booster to the dynamis pro system.  Hard to believe this is true, (that you lose the programming track capability) but I would not want to experiment to check it out.


Title: Re: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box
Post by: richg on August 15, 2012, 09:47:21 PM
Wish someone would answer this post who has added any booster to the dynamis pro system.  Hard to believe this is true, (that you lose the programming track capability) but I would not want to experiment to check it out.

This was explained in the first message. Not compatible.

Our club has the NCE 5 amp Power Pro. When we use the program track, the DCC signal to the layout is shut down.
Just about every DCC system has its pros and cons, especially when combined with other manufactures products. With DCC, you better know what you are doing.
There is really a vast difference between DC and DCC which many do not want to recognize. It our mind, we want to say it is simple.

Rich


Title: Re: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box
Post by: captain1313 on August 16, 2012, 12:00:31 PM
Hunt
My program track is part of the layout.  I've put the booster on the back burner for now.  Really disappointed in Bachmann for misleading info about the booster.  Right in the Dynamis manual it lists the  Pro Box & Booster as other EZ Command DCC products that can be used with the Dynamis.  There should have been a note stating that Pro Box and Booster don't play well together.  With my program track being part of the layout makes it easy to just pull a train in and tweek the CV's (the reason for the Pro Box in the first place) and be on my way. I picked up some DPDT toggles but have not have not had time to work on the circuit.  As of now I've been able to operate 4 sound locos at one time without overloading the Dynamis.  I'll probably try something when winter rolls in.

Kevin   


Title: Re: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box
Post by: richg on August 16, 2012, 12:59:38 PM
Hunt
My program track is part of the layout.  I've put the booster on the back burner for now.  Really disappointed in Bachmann for misleading info about the booster.  Right in the Dynamis manual it lists the  Pro Box & Booster as other EZ Command DCC products that can be used with the Dynamis.  There should have been a note stating that Pro Box and Booster don't play well together.  With my program track being part of the layout makes it easy to just pull a train in and tweek the CV's (the reason for the Pro Box in the first place) and be on my way. I picked up some DPDT toggles but have not have not had time to work on the circuit.  As of now I've been able to operate 4 sound locos at one time without overloading the Dynamis.  I'll probably try something when winter rolls in.

Kevin   

That is not the reality we live in.
As an example, Bachmann does not tell you that the sound locos do “not” have all the features of a Tsunami you buy and install yourself. All Bachmann does is spell out what features the on board sound decoder has.
Some think Bachmann is taking advantage of them.

Many coming into DCC make assumptions and do not bother reading the details of a product and gaining more knowledge of how many different products work together or cannot work together.

Rich


Title: Re: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box
Post by: captain1313 on August 16, 2012, 07:38:11 PM
Gentleman
My program track is a 5' isolated section of thru track.

 From the manual( 2.4 Creating a Programming / Service Track
A ‘Programming’ or ‘Service Track’ is an isolated section of track to allow the use of Service
Mode programming methods to write to decoder CVs as well as ‘read’ from them.
The Dynamis Service Track does not need to be physically isolated from the layout although it
must be electrically double isolated from the rest of the layout with an insulated rail joiner in
each rail – for example it could be a track within an engine depot or storage yard. In normal
operations the Service Track is powered from the Command Station output with DCC track
power so that a locomotive can be driven into and out of the section. The internal switching in
the Dynamis unit means that it is not necessary to use an additional external switch.)

 When not in program mode it acts just like the rest of the track getting it's power from the program track lead from the Dynamis & Pro Box.  When hooking up Booster there is no separate lead  from the booster to the program track.  If I left the lead from the Base Station program track lead attached to this section and the rest of the track to the booster I would be in essence using 2 different power sources and creating a short when loco bridged the gap.  It looks like even if I used a spur there would still be a shorting problem.  I still contend that you can not use the program track lead on the base station as intended when using the booster.  From my conversation with the service dept. they agree.  I have not needed the booster so far so I just may get rid of it.

Kevin 


Title: Re: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box
Post by: captain1313 on August 16, 2012, 07:44:59 PM
In addition.......the reasons for the program track as a drive in and drive out are my eyesight and fingers that don't always work as intended.  Getting those steamers on a separate program track each time I want to tweek a CV would soon increase my frustration not to mention increase chance of damage.

Kevin


Title: Re: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box
Post by: rbryce1 on August 17, 2012, 10:21:41 PM
I'm a little, no a lot ticked off right now, so if I am on the edge of disrespect, I will apologize right now for it.

MR. BACHMANN, I WANT SOME DIRECT ANSWERS.  YOUR DYNAMIS MANUAL CLEARLY STATES THE 5 AMP BOOSTER WILL WORK WITH DYNAMIS.   I have the Dynamis system, the Pro Box and the 5 amp booster, I have read all the manuals and CANNOT FIND A SINGLE PLACE WHERE IT STATES OR SHOWS HOW TO WIRE THE DYNAMIS TO THE PRO BOX TO THE BOOSTER TO THE TRACK.

This system cost me a fortune and first I find I can't do but 50% of the features without the Pro Box, then I find I need the booster to run more than 5 engines and now, after getting all three, I find I cannot use the programing track with the booster and I find there is no instructions on how to even wire the fricken thing.

I DON'T HAVE THE CHILDRENS VERSION OF E-Z COMMAND, I HAVE DYNAMIS, WHAT YOU CLAIM IS YOUR BEST.  SO WHY CAN'T YOUR DYNAMIS MANUALS EVEN SAY THE WORD BOOSTER IN ANY OF THE INSTRUCTIONS.  WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO GUESS OR EXPERIMENT ON HOW TO WIRE YOUR COMPONENTS TO YOUR COMPONENTS.  AND IF YOU HAVEN'T READ IT YOURSELF YET, SEE PAGE 23 OF THE DYNAMIS MANUAL.

"OTHER BACHANN E-Z COMMAND DCC PRODUCTS THAT CAN BE USED WITH THE DYNAMIS:  36-530  E-Z COMMAND 5 AMP POWER BOOSTER.  (Section 2.3 of the Pro-Box manual).

The internal switching in the Dynamis unit means that it is not necessary to use an additional external switch. " (Section 2.3 of the Pro-Box manual).  

"The power booster can be used with any nmra/nem-conformant dcc system."   (5 amp booster manual introduction.)

I'm not sure what it is called in Europe, but in the States, I have heard them use words like misrepresentation, false advertising and in the worst case outright fraud.  I'm sure none of these apply to your company which is why I'm sure you can either tell me where to look or send me the instructions with wiring diagrams so I can get the Bachmann Dynamis, the Pro Box and the 5 amp booster working together, as both a main track controller and a programming track controller that is not needed to be physically isolated, only electrically isolated from the rest of the line exactly as the Dynamis Pro Box manual states you can.

Again, I do not mean to be disrespectful, but I am really ticked off.  There is nothing I would like more right now than to have to eat crow and have you show me right in front of my eyes where this information is.  But if you can't, please find it for me and apparently many others.

Thank you for listening.



Title: Re: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box
Post by: the Bach-man on August 17, 2012, 10:34:55 PM
Dear RB.
This is from Richard Matthews. our UK Service Manager and  Dynamis expert:

"Essentially the issue is that when Dynamis is carrying out Service Mode programming it disconnects the track output via the ProBox and only uses the original base station output. So, therefore, it is not possible to operate the layout whilst Service Mode programming goes on but we've tried a Lenz Set 100 this morning and find that the same procedure is happening with other brands of DCC equipment. The difference with Dynamis is that the base station output produces normal DCC running power (except when Service Mode programming is going on) so that the output could be connected to a siding that the train is run into and then the programming done, rather than a hand lift to a separate section of track. There's always the alternative of using a separate switch for the programming track."

Hope this helps, and
Thanks, Richard!

the Bach-man 


Title: Re: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box
Post by: rbryce1 on August 17, 2012, 11:03:05 PM
Mr Bach-man & Richard,

Thank you for the response, hope I didn't come on too strong, but I am clearly upset about this issue.

All of that I believe I understand.  As I understand it, the Dynamis sends full track power to the programming track section in while in normal mode, and when the programming track feature is activated, it leaves normal power on the main and switches to service power on the isolated service track, which is a much reduced voltage.  This allows the engine on the programming track to be programmed while protecting everything else on the main line from being programmed as well.  The reduced voltage is enough to test the programming, but not send the engine off the programming track section.  Once shifted out of service track programming mode, normal power is restored to the service track.  That is understandable and logical.

However, you still have not answered the 50 million dollar question,  how do you wire it?  I would simply like to know how do you wire the Dynamis Base Station to the Pro Box to the Booster to the main track and maintain the programming track ability.


Title: Re: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box
Post by: Doneldon on August 17, 2012, 11:29:38 PM
rb-

The Dynamis bone's connected to the ... Pro Box bone,
the Pro Box bone's connected to the ...  Booster bone,
the Booster bone's connected to the ... Track bone.
And the green grass grew all around all around and the green grass grew all around.

                                                                                                                    -- D


Title: Re: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box
Post by: rbryce1 on August 17, 2012, 11:39:26 PM
Doneldon,

Gotta admit, you are definalely good enough to quit your day job!



Title: Re: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box
Post by: captain1313 on August 18, 2012, 02:00:58 AM
rbryce1

I'm with you on this one.

However, you still have not answered the 50 million dollar question,  how do you wire it?  I would simply like to know how do you wire the Dynamis Base Station to the Pro Box to the Booster to the main track and maintain the programming track ability.

I'd even be will to call the guy in the UK if I had his #
Kevin


Title: Re: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box
Post by: crspada on August 18, 2012, 08:42:10 AM
To further confuse this issue, can I run my buss wire from the pro box directly to a section of the main track and also to a booster thereby utilizing the 2.3 amps of the command station/pro box as well as the 5 amps of the booster.  This would allow me to have a programming track run from the command station output, 2 power districts with circuitbreakers from the output of the probox buss prior to the connection to the booster and multiple power districts from the booster.  All of these sections would be use isolated joiners.

I have a diagram of this, but cannot figure out how to attach it to this message.  I have never joined a forum, used facebook etc and am a complete newby to model railroading (less an oval HO train from 45 years ago).


The Dynamis bone's connected to the ... Pro Box bone,
the Pro Box bone's connected to the ...  track bone,
the Pro Box bone's connected to the ...  Booster bone,
the Booster bone's connected to the ... Track bone.


Title: Re: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box
Post by: rbryce1 on August 18, 2012, 12:57:25 PM
OK, I agree, but this is a very mute point.  No one has still answered the 50 million dollar question,  how do you wire it?  I would simply like to know how do you wire the Dynamis Base Station to the Pro Box to the Booster to the main track and maintain the programming track ability.

Again, page 23 of the Bachmann Dynamis manual states this can be done. 

Does ANYONE including Bachmann know how to do it ??? ??? ???


Title: Re: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box
Post by: captain1313 on August 18, 2012, 06:25:23 PM
Well, after all this discussion I decided to try to wire the booster in.  Eliminated the program track wiring for now. As soon as I hit the stop button on the dynamis to power the track up the red overload light comes on the booster and the headlights on the locos flash.  ????????????????

Kevin


Title: Re: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box
Post by: rbryce1 on August 18, 2012, 07:06:19 PM
What do you suggest next?  Hope Kevin didn't fry his loco.


Title: Re: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box
Post by: captain1313 on August 18, 2012, 08:18:26 PM
Hunt

I have.  If I removes the booster everything works fine.  No Shorts.

Kevin


Title: Re: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box
Post by: NarrowMinded on August 18, 2012, 08:23:20 PM
I don't have a booster can someone post a link to the booster instructions?

I think I have a very simple solution but I need the booster instructions to see if I am missing something...

Is the root of the problem that the booster comes with audio style jacks so you think you have to use the plug on the Dynamis and not the sccrew connectors on the probox?


NM-Jeff


Title: Re: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box
Post by: crspada on August 19, 2012, 08:16:56 PM
Just trying to add my first attachment  This is the power setup I was thinking of.  Will it work or can I only go directly to a booster with the power Buss from the Pro Box.  If the file reference does not work, I will try again another day.

http://farm9.static.flickr.com/8426/7819357890_9819683422_m.jpg


Title: Re: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box
Post by: rbryce1 on August 19, 2012, 11:25:47 PM
Here is an attempt at a possible schematic block diagram of the connections as I try and vision it.  I don't know if it is correct, but maybe it is a start.  If any of you much more in the technical know agree or disagree with this, please share your facts with us (please don't guess).

I am showing two diagrams, one in normal power operation and the other in programming track operation.  Both have the 5 amp booster wired in as others have indicated it should be wired in.

In my drawing, I show the Base station with the two circuits, main and programming.  The main feeds both the jack and lug terminals as well as the multi-pin connector to the Pro box.  The programming circuitry only goes to the jack and the lug terminals.  Relay operated switches inside the Base Unit control where and when power is directed to these locations.  

In normal operation, the 2 internal switches, one going to the jack and lug and the second going to the multi pin connector are both energized while the power from the programming circuit is cut off by the open switch.  Power from the jack and lug go to the programming track to give it 2.3 amps of power while the output from the Pro Box would normally go to the main line to give it 2.3 amps of power, but in this case it is going to the booster which outputs 5.0 amps to the main line.  If the booster is receiving 2.3 amps of power, it is trying to increase this by 5.0 additional amps to produce 8.3 amps.  However, since the internal wiring inside the booster is only rated for 5.0 amps, a current limiter in the booster regulates it's output to only allow 5.0 amps to leave the booster, no matter what the actual output could be.

This method of output regulation could also explain why the same booster increases the 1.0 amp E-Z DCC Controller to 5.0 amps as well.  It is trying to make 6.0 amps but being again internally regulated to only 5.0 amps max.

(http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab80/rbryce1/trains/DynamisProwithBooster-NormaalOps.jpg)

The next drawing is the same equipment only in the programming track mode of operation.

(http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab80/rbryce1/trains/DynamisProwithBooster-ProgrammingMode.jpg)

In programming track mode of operation, the 2 internal switches, one going to the jack and lug and the second going to the multi-pin connector are now both open which causes the main tracks to be de-energized while the power from the programming circuit is energized by it's switch closing.  Power from the jack and lug go to the programming track provides it with around .25 amps of power while the output from the Pro Box, which would normally go to the main line to give it 2.3 amps of power is de-energized.   The booster which outputs 5.0 amps to the main line is also de-energized.

The appropriate data signals would simply be piggy-backed on these conductors.

Again, this is a guess, but if it is a representation of how it works, maybe you could power a separate and independent track from the 2.3 amp output of the Pro Box by tapping into the line  between the Pro Box and the booster and going to an isolated rail line and still get 5.0 amps from the booster.  Even if track #1 was drawing 1.3 amps and the booster was only getting 1.0 amp input, it would still provide 5.0 amps output, just like it would do with the Bachmann E-Z DCC Controller connected to it.  Again, the appropriate data signals would simply be piggy-backed on both of these conductor paths and would go to both track #1 and to tracks #2 and #3 via the booster without any variation in their signal contents.

In my case, it would be very handy as I have 3 separate and independent main line tracks and I could power one of them from the 2.3 amp Pro Box output and the other two from the Booster's 5.0 amp output.  

(http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab80/rbryce1/trains/AlternateDynamisProwithBooster-NormalOps.jpg)

OK, I'm ready for all the reasons I am wrong or why it can't work.  Let me have it!


Title: Re: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box
Post by: rbryce1 on August 21, 2012, 10:53:53 AM
Since there have been no responses so far , I believe I have found a way to get 5 amps of power and have all my components work together.  I just ordered a new NCE Powercab with their SB3A 5 amp booster.  I'm sorry to say Bachmann just could not get from there to here.  Fortunately, I have not opened the Pro box or the Booster yet, so they are both still new in the box.  


Title: Re: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box
Post by: Thomas1911 on August 21, 2012, 12:52:58 PM
I don't believe the Powercab w/ Booster will support a programming track either, at least not according to this.  (See pg 9)

http://schutzer.net/Brass_Clinics/NCE_Users_Forum2011.pdf


Title: Re: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box
Post by: rbryce1 on August 21, 2012, 01:22:56 PM
I don't believe the Powercab w/ Booster will support a programming track either, at least not according to this.  (See pg 9)

http://schutzer.net/Brass_Clinics/NCE_Users_Forum2011.pdf

Actually, it does, both on the main or on a seperate track.  On page 4, it states that the Powercab does have Service mode and Ops mode programming support.  Also, it appears that page 9 in the 2011 article you reference is referring to the SB3a Booster's capabilities, not the Powercab's capabilities.  Some of the limitations listed on page 5 are no longer limitations as well, like only being able to control 2 trains.  For older Powercab that did not have the track programming feature, there is an optional smart switch, part number 524-226 that does allow this, but this may not be any longer necessary in this years' Powercab.

http://modeltrains.about.com/od/DCC/fr/Nce-Power-Cab-Dcc-System-Review.htm (http://modeltrains.about.com/od/DCC/fr/Nce-Power-Cab-Dcc-System-Review.htm)

The Powercab throttle has also been substantially upgraded this year.  I now have the ability to toggle betweeen and control 6 trains at once as well as the ability to upgrade to a radio controlled throttle for $80.00 plus a $130.00 antennea receiver that does not need to have line of sight (radio vs infrared).  List was $199.00 and I paid $147.89.  5 amp booster was $129.99.

I still intend to maintain my Bachmann track, locos and other things, it's just that now I have a control system where all the parts play well with each other like they were suppose to.  Also, it is compatable with our local model train club as well.


Title: Re: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box
Post by: Thomas1911 on August 21, 2012, 02:28:18 PM
Yes, the Powercab does have service and ops mode programming.  I am a Powercab user and can confirm this, use both all the time.  I do not have the booster, however.  But, according to the schutzer article, the SB3a booster does not support programming track mode.  Which, unless I'm misunderstanding the problem and maybe some other things, is the same issue as using the Dynamis with it's respective booster.


Title: Re: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box
Post by: rbryce1 on August 21, 2012, 03:17:26 PM
I looked into this and we are both correct.  The Powercab does program on the main as well as the service track.  The booster, however,  removes the programming data signal, just like all the other manufacturer's cabs as well, Bachmann, Digitrax, etc.  However, by plugging the Powercab into a programming or isolated section of track that is not powered by the booster, you do have programming capability.  I believe this is done with the Bachmann by the programming track coming from the Base unit and the main track power coming from the Pro box.  

Track programming was never my big issue with the Dynamis equipment, it was the inability for you to successfully attach the 5 amp booster to the Dynamis and have it all work.  I do not know if it actually can be done, but so far it seems that no one has been able to do it and have the trains work, the latest attempt being a few previous posts to these.  That was my main reason for switching control systems.  To me, programming is something I will be doing very infrequently, and would probably feel more comfortable doing it on an isolated section of track not even physically attached to the main line.  Guess I am a woose!  But, I did want the Dynamis to work with 5 amps and so far it wouldn't.

My luck will be that tomorrow some monk will come out of his cave in Mongolia and have the answer that makes it all work.  If that is the case, it would be great for Bachmann but to late for me, because I have already made the switch.


Title: Re: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box
Post by: NarrowMinded on August 21, 2012, 09:34:40 PM
If your using the probox you can't connect the booster to the dynamis Jack you have to put it between the probox and the track...

has anybody done this yet??


Title: Re: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box
Post by: rbryce1 on August 21, 2012, 11:02:37 PM
If your using the probox you can't connect the booster to the dynamis Jack you have to put it between the probox and the track...

has anybody done this yet??

Yes.  See Captain1313's post of August 18th.  He said he tried it and indicated it would not work.


Title: Re: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box
Post by: Bucksco on August 22, 2012, 08:12:17 PM
The following link will take you to a video that shows the proper installation of the 5 amp booster (just replace the EZ Command unit with a Dynamis).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Xb9w9on05g&list=UUqXkvBbF7Lemenlxn7Ca-OA&index=31&feature=plcp

Tried it today and the Dynamis worked just fine. Can't add any more to the discussion about programming but the booster worked fine with the Dynamis when installed according to the video.


Title: Re: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box
Post by: NarrowMinded on August 22, 2012, 10:28:21 PM
rbryce1,

Maybe Capt1313 can elaborate on how he connected them...

I get the impression that he connected the booster to the jack on the dynamis and also had the probox connected to the track.

NM-Jeff


Title: Re: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box
Post by: rbryce1 on August 23, 2012, 06:54:22 AM
My new Dynamis from Bachmann to replace the defective one came today.  I have decided on what to do.

I have 2 layouts, one will be permanent and one will be up for Christmas only.  I will be using the NCE Supercab and it's 5 amp booster on the permanent layout.  I can do all of my engine configuring/programming there.

For the Christmas layout, I need something extremely simple for others to use, a total no-brainer.  Visiting family and friends and their children will want to run the train, and if I am not here, they (and my wife) could not even begin to turn the layout on with either the Dynamis or the Supercab.  They are both easy for me or you to use, but you need to know what all the buttons and things do, and that is not so simple to just pick up and figure out if you are not familiar with the layout of the controller first.

I am going to purchase the Bachmann E-Z Command Controller for the Christmas layout.  It's probably the easiest controller to run a train with.  Press 2 buttons and turn a dial.  The only problem is that it only produces 1 amp and I need more.  So I will pair it up with the Bachmann 5 amp booster I already have and have the Bachmann equipment on the Christmas layout and the NCE equipment on the permanent layout.  Both of these combinations have a good track record of the controller and booster playing well with each other.

As for programming, I can do all of that on the permanent layout with the NCE equipment and move the engines to the Christmas layout during the Christmas period.  Most important, for the Christmas layout, I can program each engine with a maximum speed, to protect things against an overzellous child (or adult!).  In fact, I do not even need to install a programming track section on the Christmas layout.

So now I have a brand new, unopened combination of a Dynamis and Probox which will be going up for sale on eBay shortly.  If anyone on this forum would like them before that, I will offer the combination to anyone on this forum for a very good price, about $75.00 lower than the asking price I will put on eBay.  All you pay above that is the actual shipping charges, no handling or markup or sales tax.  Send me a PM if you want it or email me at rbryce2@tampabay.rr.com.  I also hope this offer does not violate the no sales requirement for the Forum rules, as I am only trying to make the members here aware of it first.





Title: Re: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box
Post by: siramicg on August 26, 2012, 05:21:46 PM
Hello all! Just got my ProBox, extra receiver, etc. as I needed extended range. Been running the Dynamis with TWO 5 amp boosters with no problem but heard the ProBox and extra receivers would help range and coverage as my layout runs 7' above and around my living room! Do I understand that the issue with ProBox & 5amp boosters is strictly programming??? Do that at my workbench when necessary, never on layout, so not concerned with programming. Want to know though before I open up, hook up, fry locos(?) have 9 powered locos and 20 lighted passenger cars up there, thus the two 5 amp boosters!


Title: Re: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box
Post by: dalershearer on August 27, 2012, 07:11:21 PM
I also have all the "goodies" but cannot get started. I cannot get any power out to the track. If I by pass the Pro Box and use the power pack to power the 5 amp booster shouldn't I get something to the track? I'm trying to run the Dynamis system.


Title: Re: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box
Post by: siramicg on September 03, 2012, 06:33:46 PM
Hi everyone!! Got my ProBox, two extra receivers all hooked up, doubled checked twice, HAD a great signal on handset,  fired it up through two Bachmann 5 amp boosters, everything lit up, lights on 20 passenger cars, sounds on engines started -- YES!! BUT SIGNAL ON HANDSET WENT TOTALLY AWAY WHEN I HIT "STOP" button to fire off the system!!!All the sounds started, obviously power to track as lights and sound all there, but with no signal showing, engines won't respond to any commands, but they sound great!!! As I have said in a previous message, don't care about service/program track, but don't know why the signal TOTALLY shuts down on my handset when I hit stop button to fire the system up? Then, of course, it shuts down after the 30 second timeout!
Unplugged two extra receivers, checked both on base id 0, etc, etc. HELP!!!!!!
 


Title: Re: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box
Post by: dalershearer on September 03, 2012, 09:05:26 PM
Been fighting the same problem all day. Have no idea why my signal went away. Also on powering up the remote it says my batteries are bad but just put brand new ones in. Checked them with a meter before I put them in. How are your batteries siramicg?


Title: Re: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box
Post by: siramicg on September 03, 2012, 10:25:43 PM
Batteries fine also - brand new and no indication on handheld remote of low battery power


Title: Re: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box
Post by: NarrowMinded on September 03, 2012, 11:28:27 PM
Ive metioned this in another post, one possible cause for the signal drop is a drop in your primary house output voltage below 110vac

Check the voltage with everything turned on while you are tring to run it.

NM-Jeff


Title: Re: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box
Post by: siramicg on September 05, 2012, 05:10:29 PM
Thanks for the tip; I'm getting 120.5 volts on the power strip (digital voltmeter). Any other suggestions? Great signal till I press "stop" button to energize Dynamis. Everthing fires up but NO signal to operate trains.


Title: Re: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box
Post by: captain1313 on September 05, 2012, 09:48:46 PM
Try 1 loco at a time on the layout.  I have 1 Atlas that gives my Dynamis fits.

Kevin


Title: Re: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box
Post by: siramicg on September 06, 2012, 04:00:33 PM
 Kevin - Thanks for the suggestion but no luck. Took engines off one at a time, still lose signal when
I hit "stop" button; full signal, all bars till then. Hey - Daleshearer have you had any luck with your signal? Anyone else had an idea? Mr. Bachmann?? Worked fine before hooked up ProBox. Took everything apart and no signal with original Dynamis configuration either.


Title: Re: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box
Post by: dalershearer on September 06, 2012, 07:06:28 PM
No luck yet. I took everything down to the basics and still no signal. I still can't figure out why my remote says My batteries are bad. Everthing was ok until I hooked up the ProBox. I'll keep trying cause I've got too much invested now.


Title: Re: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box
Post by: siramicg on September 07, 2012, 06:17:29 PM
 dalershearer-AMEN! As to too much invested now --- I also posted the problem on the HO scale discussion board and have gotten quite a few views but no replies! Can't beleive it's just you and me in the world of Bachmann with this issue and no one has an answer!!!! And I would like to think that the folks at Bachmann would advise


Title: Re: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box
Post by: Bucksco on September 07, 2012, 07:28:57 PM
Are you plugging the DCC plug into the base unit or the Probox? I believe I plugged it into the base unit - not the probox.
It sounds like a short is happening somewhere. Suggest removing all locos and test with a single loco first. If all else fails contact the service department and ask them to check out the Probox. If it has a problem Bachmann will remedy the situation. :)


Title: Re: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box
Post by: siramicg on September 08, 2012, 05:46:25 PM
Thank you Yardmaster! I did try taking off one loco at a time and restarting with no better results. I will try your suggestion tomorrow as to taking them all off and trying a restart one at a time; please note my "layout" runs above my living room so it's get out the ladder and up and down! Also, the ProBox instructions specifically state to plug TRACK power (I'm using the green plug hard wired) into back of ProBox which I have done, and SERVICE TRACK into Dynamis Command Center which I have NOT done. I do not have a service track up there, I change CV,s, etc on a separate system on my workbench. Is there a possibility that without some sort of connection to back of BaseStation it shuts down signal? I will also try plugging the TRACK power into base station; just don't want to "fry" anything!!!!!


Title: Re: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box
Post by: Jim Peters on December 07, 2014, 10:25:31 PM
I'm Just Trying To Hook It Up To A Regular DCC System They Show You Two Bare Wires, And There Are NO Bare Connections For The Easy Track System


Title: Re: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box
Post by: Bucksco on December 08, 2014, 12:05:43 AM
You can use a terminal power connector wire and splice off the male plug.


Title: Re: 5 amp booster and Dynamis with Pro Box- -The Solution!!!
Post by: JimJim on March 30, 2016, 02:54:41 PM
Hello all,

Here's what I did...And it worked!

I had a spare mini-plug to 1/8-inch cable. I also had a mini-plug to bare wire; that came with my Dynamis system and the screw terminal connector block that came with the Probox.

I cut the 1/8-inch end off of the mini-plug to 1/8-inch cable. I stripped the outer jacket being careful not to nick the insulation on the inner wires or the un-shielded third conductor (bare wires).

Because all the connectors are tip/ring/sleeve I used my multi meter on the continuity setting and determined the conductor
configuration.

As it turns out the red inner wire (tip) is not used. The white wire and the bare copper are the conductors. (There is a diagram on the booster that confirmed this.)

Tip=Not Used
Ring=Positive (red)
Sleeve=Negative (black)

Then I metered between the sleeve receptacle on the Dynamis Command Station and the output pins on both the Command Station and the Pro Box.

Looking at both units the pin on the left side is the white conductor (ring) the pin on the right side is the bare copper (sleeve).

Next, I marked the mini-plug to bare wire conductor with a black permanent marker; sleeve=black, ring=red (no color needed).

Then I used the screw terminal connector block and attached the white (ring) wire to the left terminal and the bare conductor (sleeve) to the right terminal.

I plugged the 1/8-inch connector into the booster from the Pro Box/screw terminal connector block. The booster already had the red output connected to the right rail and the black output to the left rail. (Make sure that both outputs from the Pro Box and the booster connect to the same rail maintaining polarity.)

Then, as per the Pro Box instructions, I used two insulated rail joiners to isolate the programming track. Using color coded (red & black) terminal joiners I attached the mini plug to bare wires to the correct polarity on the programming section (pg. 3 Dymanis Pro Box User Guide).

I then powered up the Dynamis Command Station/Pro Box, then the booster and finally turned on the handset.

Then I ran a know addressed locomotive from the main track to the programming track with no problems.

Next I took another locomotive, placed it on the programming track and read the address correctly.

Now I have the Pro Box AND the 5-Amp booster working in conjunction along with a programming track.

This solution would be a simple "Fix" from Bachmann by supplying OEM produced cables that I cobbled together.

Hope this helps!