(http://www.pacificcoastairlinerr.com/photos/new_bachmann_4-4-0.jpg)
From the Texas Outlaws site
(http://www.pacificcoastairlinerr.com/photos/mt_gretna.jpg)
Prototype, hit it on the head at least
Harold
Thank you for taking the time to locate and post the picture.
Eric Root
Who's making that 4-4-0?
I changed the subject title to reflect who made the 4-4-0
I was hoping for a more traditional 4-4-0 with large drivers. It'll be interesting to see what the kitbashers do with this one though.
OK...what's the price and when are they expected to be delivered?
Also, it looks as though it has basically the same chassis/mechanism as the recently released Richmond Loco Works 4-4-0s in HO.
I hope that Bach Mann releases photos of it. Love to see a nice side view of it.......
modelling the 1880's, I have been waiting desperately for a 4-4-0. When I saw the photos I asked myself "are the drivers too small, or the locomtive too big"?
I'm very grateful that Bachmann listens to us, as we have asked for a 4-4-0 for quite a wile. I'm a little bit disappointed about the choice of the prototype. The engine, particularly the drivers, are disproportionate at best. It just doesn't have the typical "stretched" look of the classical "american".
Quote from: Jeff in NJ on July 28, 2007, 04:52:40 PM
OK...what's the price and when are they expected to be delivered?
Caboose Hobbies is taking advance orders for $192.97. I'll wait for the ebay price this time. Locos that I bought previously are now going for half what I paid for them when they first came out. Waiting a few months takes the "Demand" premium off the price.
Just pre-ordered my 4-4-0...the black & graphite, steel cab, electric headlight version.
A few thoughts...
Interesting prototype. (Notice no forward sand dome on the prototype photo--glad to see B'mann include one.) I agree, the drivers are a bit small to convey that "typical" 4-4-0 look, but at the same time, I applaud B'mann for finding an appropriate prototype instead of taking the engineering drawings for their 1:20.3 4-4-0 and squeezing things in to "make it fit." I'm just finishing up a minor kitbash of one of those 4-4-0s, and there's not much room to squeeze without having to reduce the driver diameter. Most narrow gauge 4-4-0s had driver diameters in the 40" - 44" range, and to put drivers that large on a 30" gauge frame would mean raising the boiler up to clear, which I think would also work against the proportions.
Now, Bach-man... See those rounded domes, extended smokebox, straight stack and electric headlight you have on this particular model? How's about making the 1:20.3 version with those features!?
Later,
K
From an email I got from Micro Mark:
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1414/987838836_3b5fb09641_o.gif)
Ken
How large are the On30 4-4-0's drivers?
I see NCNG #& has 41" drivers, but they are spaced further apart. The models driver are further apart than the Mt. Gretta locomotives so that isn't the prototype.
I have drawings of a 30" gauge 4-4-0 used in Brazil, but it is outside framed. It has 38" drivers
It would be nice if Bachmann posted a prototype photo so I would be more inclined to buy one.
Thanks
Chris
Still trying to find a real locomotive that looks like this to talk myself into buying one, I dug these up:
http://picasaweb.google.com/ErieChris333/ProtoPhotos/photo#5096795085689933410
http://picasaweb.google.com/ErieChris333/ProtoPhotos/photo#5096795150114442866
Both 3' gauge.
I still wanna see that catalog photo!
Chris,
I think that I figured out what the problem is in my mind with the new locomotive, they made the cab too tall. If you look at the photo that you linked to the panels below the windows should be about half as tall as they are. In one photo the man standing on the foot plate between the loco and the tender is almost as tall as the roof of the cab and there is no way that he could have stood up in the cab over the drivers.
Andre :)
PS Now that I have figured out what was bothering me, I know how to fix it. ;D :) ;D :)
Quote from: amdaylight on August 09, 2007, 06:47:56 PM
Chris,
I think that I figured out what the problem is in my mind with the new locomotive, they made the cab too tall. If you look at the photo that you linked to the panels below the windows should be about half as tall as they are. In one photo the man standing on the foot plate between the loco and the tender is almost as tall as the roof of the cab and there is no way that he could have stood up in the cab over the drivers.
Andre :)
PS Now that I have figured out what was bothering me, I know how to fix it. ;D :) ;D :)
The Bachmann 4-4-0 has the boiler extending thru the cab which means a full height cab is needed so the crew can standup. The ones in the pictures have the back of the boiler extending only a short distance into the cab. You sit in the cab on the running boards with your fit between the frame members. Therefore you don't need as tall a cab.
Harold
Harold,
From what I can see of the photos the fire box does not extend past the rear diver set so the back head of the boiler is to far back in the cab. I guess this is one of those that I will have to buy one and see what I can do to make it look better. I may still cut the cab down to make it look beter.
Andre
PS
Is there a scale that you have not modeled in, I noticed that you are now in S scale. Or do you just switch the trains on the track as your mood changes.
I do admire your modeling skills and keep up the good work. And as to which scale to model in I have modeled in everything from Nn3 to Fn3 and the only one that I don't work in is the Nn3.
Quote from: amdaylight on August 10, 2007, 12:44:24 PM
Harold,
Is there a scale that you have not modeled in, I noticed that you are now in S scale. Or do you just switch the trains on the track as your mood changes.
I do admire your modeling skills and keep up the good work. And as to which scale to model in I have modeled in everything from Nn3 to Fn3 and the only one that I don't work in is the Nn3.
If you blow up the pictures you can see the boiler in the cab and the micro-mark diagram shows the boiler dotted to the end of the cab. I was hoping it would be useful in S, but it isn't.
I have pretty much modeled in every scale. Back to the "one true scale" S. They finally made me an S scale RTR standard gauge steamer.
(http://www.pacificcoastairlinerr.com/image/shs.jpg)
SHS's new RTR S scale B&O E-27
Harold
Harold, Regarding your comments " If you blow up the pictures you can see the boiler in the cab and the micro-mark diagram shows the boiler dotted to the end of the cab. I was hoping it would be useful in S, but it isn't.
I have pretty much modeled in every scale. Back to the "one true scale" S. They finally made me an S scale RTR standard gauge steamer."
Is the 2-6-0 useful for converting to S? How about the Climax? Also any other conversions you know of would be helpful.
Best Regards
Jim
I have a page discussing converting the Mogul to an S scale 2-8-0 at:
http://www.pacificcoastairlinerr.com/mogul_conversion/
(http://www.pacificcoastairlinerr.com/mogul_conversion/image/0500_mogul.jpg)
Thank you if you visit
Harold
Jim / Harold
Intersting thought's on S scale conversion's, going the other way,
looking at converting a REX 2-6-0 to a O scale Meter Gauge engine for
interchange with my 2½ft layout.
Ken Clark
GWN
Ken, Now if you can find an S Scale Pacific you could be off and running for Newfoundland Narrow Gauge in O Scale. I was thinking of suggesting to Harold that he should look at the Newfoundland Railway for good ideas for Sn3 1/2.
Hate to see the Rex 2-6-0 modified though, it's hard to come by anything in S scale in Saskatoon - OK it's impossible. LOL
Best Regards
Jim
Quote from: Jim Goodridge on August 12, 2007, 12:13:53 AM
Ken, Now if you can find an S Scale Pacific you could be off and running for Newfoundland Narrow Gauge in O Scale. I was thinking of suggesting to Harold that he should look at the Newfoundland Railway for good ideas for Sn3 1/2.
Hate to see the Rex 2-6-0 modified though, it's hard to come by anything in S scale in Saskatoon - OK it's impossible. LOL
Best Regards
Jim
S scale, that is s SCALE and not Flyer, has never been a hobby shop scale. It has always been a mail order scale. Now we have the internet it is easy.
http://www.trainweb.org/crocon/sscale.html (http://www.trainweb.org/crocon/sscale.html)
There is a S scale Pacific, American Models has one along with a whole bunch of cars and locomotives.
(http://www.americanmodels.com/_photos/46000atsf.jpg)
and the Rex is back in production.
Harold