Mr. Bachmann,
Usually y'all have something to announce in terms of new products at the NMRA National Convention.
Any news you can share with us?
Thanks!
Manufacturer's hall opens on Friday.
It's Friday ;D Hopefully, some kind soul will post an update today.
The train show usually opens at noon for the NMRA members, and later in the afternoon for the general public. Hopefully we'll get some intel later today.
Model Railroader have posted their preliminary report.
http://mrr.trains.com/en/News%20and%20Reviews/New%20Products/2012/08/2012%20National%20Train%20Show%20preliminary%20report.aspx (http://mrr.trains.com/en/News%20and%20Reviews/New%20Products/2012/08/2012%20National%20Train%20Show%20preliminary%20report.aspx)
I wont say what products are in the post in case anyone wants to wait for the official report.
I can say the first item disappoints me a little, but I may still get one.
I think the second item will have alot of potential.
Max
Without seeming churlish, I think the large scalers are going to very pleased and surprised to have got, basically, what they wanted, while the On30 scalers are scratching their heads a little thinking, hmm, it's nice but not quite what I had in mind. The 18' cars are obviously going to appeal to many but are not that disimilar from what are offered by a number of kit manufacturers.
That said, I can see the new loco fitting in nicely with the 2-8-0, os frame 4-4-0 and the mallet.
Not to detract from Bachmanns new items... I do like the new Loco though. I also
like where Atlas is going with some of their O-scale buildings. Lot's of kitbashing opportunity.
I think the 2-4-4-2 will do nicely - a bit more "compact" than the 2-6-6-2. For those who don't know, Baldwin did have a 2-4-4-2 design and built a couple of standard gauge locos. The remains of one of them are still extant out in Washington State. I suspect the model's prototype is from an export loco. And I see the Heisler is now advertised for October delivery (finally). But the 18' cars just don't do it for me.
really disapointed with the on30 stuff.
I, I'm happy. Thanks Bachmann.
Wow, exciting loco news. Think the prototype was from the Mad River line?
I'm disappointed. The 2-4-4-2 is cute, but too odd and too much like the 2-6-6-2....I would have rather seen a DSP&P Mason Bogie. I probably won't be buying any of the 2-4-4-2's. The new cars are welcome, and I will probably get a few from The Favorite Spot after the prices calm down, but I can't say I'm really excited about them. I was excited when I saw the C-19 consolidation, but then saw it is large scale and not On30....
Paul
I would like to see a picture of the new 2-4-4-2 next to one of the 2-6-6-2's for a size comparison. Do you suppose it could be a factory kitbash from 2-6-6-2 parts (not that there's anything wrong with that)?
The real shocker, aside from the sticker shock from the prices (especially on those 18' shorty freight cars), is the delivery schedule for the 2-4-4-2 as listed on the Bachmann new product announcement: <http://www.bachmanntrains.com/NMRA_2012.pdf (http://www.bachmanntrains.com/NMRA_2012.pdf)> . If true, it will certainly be a first!
I'm not sure it is to be believed, but it also says the Heisler will ship October 2012...
Bill in FtL
re the price of the 18' cars, you did all see that there are two of them per box.
The pics of the new mallet appear to be finished production models, as opposed to prototype pictures or mock ups, suggesting they are close to delivery. The freight cars look to be at an earlier stage of production. The new mallet, to my eyes, is much prettier than the 2-6-6-2 which was awfully 'skinny'but nothing like either of them ran on the RRs that I like and for that reason, I still hanker after an 1870s/1880s Baldwin 4-4-0 and 2-6-0 like they have/had in large scale.
The 18 foot freight car range pleases me, I have a need for smaller cars. Thank you Bachmann. However I am still waiting for an excursion car!
I have no real need for the 2-4-4-2, I was hoping for a smallish 2-6-2, either a Sandy River tender or a tank loco (or preferably both). I suspect either of these might have sold better than another articulated, but we shall see.
It is good to see Bachmann continuing to introduce new On30 items, even if all my wishes were not fulfilled.
Hamish
Some of us are real happy with the new 18 foot cars. There is a lot of beautiful On30 modeling representing 2 and 3 foot gauge lines. But these new cars represent what On30 is for many of us.
By the way, did anyone catch that the price is for two cars not one. Take into account what the street price will likely be and the cost becomes more attractive compared to the cost of a kit without trucks and couplers.
Jim
If my memory is correct the Yosimite Short Line had a 18' box car.Maybe Bachmann will letter it for this railroad.
Royce
The YSL's purchased rollingstock consisted of short flatcars. They had plans for general purpose freight and passenger cars, but they were never purchased. After the YSL ceased operations, the equipment (cars and locos) went to the Empire City Railway. From there, they were scattered in several directions.
The only surviving car is a flatcar that was converted to a boxcar by Sierra Railway's shops in Jamestown. Other flats were reportedly converted to boxcars or tanks though no other examples exist.
If the YSL had survived to transition from construction to revenue service, they would likely have had many short cars such as these. They could be lettered with equal validity for Empire City, Molino Lumber, and the other lines they visited during their service life.
-John
YSL On30
I think the new cars are fantastic. As much as I like the similar kits that have been produced, my four-year-old hasn't the patience to wait for me to put them together. I like kits, but RTR equipment is always welcome on my layout. Those do look pretty nice.
If I didn't already have a 2-6-6-2, I would buy the 2-4-4-2. But one never knows. Some of my On30 purchases weren't planned, but they were too good a deal to pass up. So I may still end up with one in the future! Right now, still waiting for the heisler.
Scott
As some others say,
I´m not very happy with the new On30 stuff, as I rather had expected something Colorado or Sandy River or something for the On30 Loggers out there...
A bigger, more modern shay would have been my idea... The 2-4-4-2 does look neat, but it´s nothing more than another articulated engine still a bit smaller than the 2-6-6-2 is. As Bill in FL said, it looks like a Factory kitbash from the bigger articulated? Or is it already the finished model...?
The cars are fine, but this stuff has already been done by kit manufacturers...
I wouldn´t say that you let some of us down,Bachmann, but we had expected other things, I´m afraid. :P
I´ll be enthusiastic if you folks please bring the Heisler now forward. We´re all looking for its delivery since a long time,...
Cheers, Tom ;) ;) ;)
I am sorry,I thought I saw an article in the Gazette where a YSL box car was found and used as a shed. I will try to find that issue.
Royce
After the YSL project failed, the single Yosemite Short Line boxcar was used for many years as a storage shed in the Sierra RR´s Oakdale yard. I took some photos of it there back in 1984, on my first trip to Calfornia.
Later it was moved to Jamestown for possible restoration. I have seen photos taken there (by Mal Ferrell) which clearly show that it was built on one of the flatcars - part of the original Yosemite Short Line lettering showed on the side sill under the doors. Also, Mal´s photos show that the hinged "shed"doors were a later addition - there were bolt holes after the original sliding door runners.
The Sierra was "sort of" the parent road of the YSL, the YSL tracks connected with the Sierra at Quartz Jct, just south of Jamestown, and the YSL shared some of the financiers with the Sierra, so it would make sense that the boxcar was built in the Sierra shops.
An interesting question is why only 18 ft? Was it just that they needed some cheap and simple cars for construction, or was there something about the survey which mandated short cars which could handle tight curves? The original plan was to carry tourists to the Yosemite Valley, and they were competing with other projects, so they were in a hurry.. The J Hammond Car Co. prepared proposal drawings for a very short passenger coach, which seems to indicate that there was a long term need for equipment which could handle tight radius curves. And this would have interesting consequences for the type of equipment they would have used if the road had survived. The YSL was an indirect victim of the San Fransisco earthquake - there was no physical damage done but investors were spooked and pulled out.
And why 30" gauge? This was in 1905, when most of the early narrow gauge railroads had either folded or been rebuilt to standard gauge, and there would have been lots of cheap second-hand equipment available if they had chosen 3 ft gauge..
I am looking forwards to the 2-4-4-2. And I think a few of the 18' cars are in order. I can letter them to the railroad I want.
Bruce
I can't even get on the the page to have a look at the new stuff. The download keeps on crashing Explorer, stops working and fouling up the computer.
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Quote from: Linzthom on August 05, 2012, 11:59:55 PM
I can't even get on the the page to have a look at the new stuff. The download keeps on crashing Explorer, stops working and fouling up the computer.
That's strange, since it's only a PDF file of just over 2MB. Is your explorer up to date? Could it be your provider or Virus software is blocking it? The PDF is also posted in the files section of the On30 Conspiracy group on Yahoo, but it's not a one click link, you must find it, select it, and then download it manually, which might work better for you.
Bill in FtL
Brilliant !! Thanks Bill. Finally got to see what the new items were. That new mallet is very much like one that was imported here to New Zealand and is still very much alive and going.
Lindsay T ( NZ )
Lindsay
Need to find my plans for the TTTCo Alco 2-4-4-2 to see how they compare, may need to look closer at adding
one to my Xmas list <G>. Planning on getting to NZ again,after the NG convention next year.
Ken Clark
GWN
I think the 18' freight cars are going to look nice with the new 14 ton Heisler.
I think I am gonna cut a passenger car down to a 20ft to match these and do a YSL could have been.
Royce
Quite a few narrow gauge lines in different parts of the world, built passenger cars on their standard freight car chassis. This included short cars in the 18-20 foot range, one example is the 30 inch gauge Buderim Tramway (Queensland, Australia) which had 20 foot passenger and freight cars. I am sure that 18 foot examples could be found somewhere. So Bachmann, how about adding a passenger car to this delightful new 18 foot car range?
I would also like to see a small 4 wheel "bobber" caboose to complement this new small rolling stock line.
Hamish
Bachmann,Hamish has a good idea!...I hope you are paying attention ;D
Royce
@ Ken,
I hope you do make it then, but remember around Sept is our spring and the weather can be very changable. But if you do come down PM me ( any time will be ok, by the way ) and I'll see if we can meet up. I live in Hokitika, South Island.
NZ is a beautiful place. You'll love it. And all our railways are narrow gauge, being 3 foot 6 inches.
Lindsay
Add a copula to that boxcar and a smoke stack and I think it will make a nice bilnd end caboose. You could also replace the door with a baggage door from the baggage car to give it that special look.
Royce
Hi Lindsay, I may be headed to NZ this april. Any suggestions for heritage railways? Dave McLeod
Lindsay
Planning on being in NZ after the next OZ convention in 2013, after spending a week or two visiting Tazmania, Missed the North Island NZ last time down certain we can meet up.
Ken Clark
GWN