Since Bachmann has the CAD for their k-27 & C-19 for large scale, how long will it be before they scale down to ON30?
That C-19 would be a welcome item!
Royce
Quote from: Mark Damien on November 04, 2012, 05:37:16 AM
Since Bachmann has the CAD for their k-27 & C-19 for large scale, how long will it be before they scale down to ON30?
Right after the old-time Baldwin 4-4-0 and 2-6-0. There is a queue you know!
We have only been begging for that 4-4-0 for 5 years! >:(
Royce
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Right after the old-time Baldwin 4-4-0 and 2-6-0. There is a queue you know!
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Point taken.
I'm sure our friends at Bachmann will surprise us all & push them all out real soon.......real soon.
I will buy one each c-19 and k-27!!!
I would Buy a few k27's in on30 they are my favorite Narrow gauge Engine by far.
I want a Large scale but I Don't have the room for a layout that can I could run it on.
An On30 from bachman would likely be affordable for me.
I would bet it would be an all time best seller around the world.
NM-Jeff
I just might be interested in one or two myself.
But then the beta testers would have to make a report first. Like no running problems.
Here's hope they make those some day not too far in the future,
TOF in Oregon
I would have to have at least two K-27's, and one, maybe two, C-19's,as long as they will go around the same radius curves as the 2-8-0.
RGS Goose
Would make no sense since you have both types available from MMI. And the B'mann locomotives became not cheaper. A good, larger 4-4-0 , the most common type of the early steam years, that would hit the market ! An excellent foundation for the scratchbuilders too.
We are still begging for that 4-4-0 since MMI bailed on making one.
Royce
MMI has a on30 k-27...
where can i go buy one right now?
NM-Jeff
I would buy three K-27 and two or three C-19 if Bachmann would make them. The Mudhens are definitely my favorite Narrow Gauge engines and I have a Bachmann Fn3 K-27 (455 after wreck) sitting here on the shelf to admire every day. I would welcome a Bachmann made Mudhen and a C-19 very much too!!!!
The MMI models are fine, but they are very stiff-necked on track, the running gear does not allow the engine to negotiate (not rough) fully flat and perfect track laying and my K-27,K-28 and K-36 engines do have tracking issues on the Micro Engineering turnouts from time to time.
So I would go and sell them if Bachmann would make a K-27 in the way the precious Fn3 model is!!!
Please, Bachmann folks, give us something Colorado N.G. - make the iconic K-27.... =)
Cheers, Tom ;) ;) ;)
Jeff: The MMI models are almost gone. Best, try Southwest Narrow Gauge, they have some re-runs from time to time and will be producing the RGS 455 after wreck too, which requires extra tooling, though...
Quote from: NarrowMinded on November 05, 2012, 10:01:00 PM
MMI has a on30 k-27...
where can i go buy one right now?
NM-Jeff
Sadly the Hobby Supastore no longer sells MMI locos. They had brilliant prices.
I bought a K27, K28, K36 & two C-19s. They shipped all three K's to Australia for $68 all up !!! They must have friends @ USPS, 'cause it costs $65 each loco, from anyone else.
Recently, Bruce at Southwest Narrow Gauge sent me this.
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 08:48:50 -0700
At this writing I have a MMI Mix of on3/on30 locomotives
49 C-19s
210 K27s
150 K28s
9 K36s (on30 only)
236 K37s
#455 K27 ATW in stock
Plus, 175 brass on3 only, locomotives.
His website is inaccurate, so verify exactly what you want with Bruce.
I bought a K-37 & K-28 from him last week.
Bad luck Bachmann, that's seven locos I couldn't buy from you.
The only thing stopping MMI locos selling like hotcakes is the hefty price tag from their limited production runs. Although when you have one in your hands you tend to forgive them this as well.
If Bachmann produced them on mass they could do it for much less. ON30 seems to be getting very popular, & producing something as iconic as a k-27; & other K's, or the venerable C's should sell up a storm.
Something I've never understood - A Brass loco with a diecast chassis is generally half the price of a Brass loco with a Brass chassis. Why is a brass chassis so expensive?
Dear All,
Most of you probably know this, so apologies.
You just can't click a button to do an easy re-scale when the drawing's prototype gauge (36") is different than the track's prototype gauge ( 30").
You would have to re-draw to either a different scale (1:55 instead of O = 1:48) to remain correctly proportioned, or wreck the proportion (length or height vs width) by narrowing the engine width and wheel gauge to 30".
It's all a compromise...
Hope this helps.
Sincerely,
Joe Satnik
Quote from: Joe Satnik on November 07, 2012, 12:45:55 PM
Dear All,
Most of you probably know this, so apologies.
You just can't click a button to do an easy re-scale when the drawing's prototype gauge (36") is different than the track's prototype gauge ( 30").
You would have to re-draw to either a different scale (1:55 instead of O = 1:48) to remain correctly proportioned, or wreck the proportion (length or height vs width) by narrowing the engine width and wheel gauge to 30".
It's all a compromise...
Hope this helps.
Sincerely,
Joe Satnik
Luckily MMI simply put a set of 30" gauge wheels under their On3 [36" gauge] loco to solve the problem. Like you said, it's a compromise. The puritans scoff at this practice, but if the manufacturers are to survive, they have to please everyone. otherwise they'll be no locos for anyone.
Well, that is all the real railroad did. The engine is the same size in standard gauge as it is in narrow gauge
Bruce
Mark,
You are correct as to MMI putting On30 wheel size under the same body as the On3 version of the K27. I have two of the On30 K27s and can tell you that I have seen both versions side by side and without turning the engines upside down you cannot tell which is which. Realize, the difference between the two is a 1/16 of an inch on either side of frame.
Unfortunately, MMI/Precision Scale does not list any On30 products on their website. It's unlikely these items will return, as demand plummeted as the price steadily increased. Dealers are selling old stock or things acquired in trades/purchases with collectors.
Bachmann could do better with these, as they would be able to make more compromises to allow for operation on smaller track radiuses. Heck, they could scale the entire engine down about 80% to make it match their rolling stock better. Just call it a mikado, leave off the "K27" designation, and give it a couple different pilot/stack/cab options for people who might want to "un-rio grande" it.
Quote from: drgw268 on November 08, 2012, 11:11:37 AM
Bachmann could do better ... as they would be able to make more compromises to allow for operation on smaller track radiuses. Heck, they could scale the entire engine down about 80% to make it match their rolling stock better. Just call it a mikado, leave off the "K27" designation, and give it a couple different pilot/stack/cab options for people who might want to "un-rio grande" it.
Why take a K27 and shrink it by 80% when you can take a smaller mike and make it accurate?
And we need accurate rolling stock rather than inaccurate locos.
But as this began with the MMI 4-4-0s I 'd point out that while it is relatively straightforward to offer different gauges with an o/s frame design (as many loco builders did) it is rather harder when the wheels sit snugly either side of the firebox. Narrow the gauge on such a loco and you have to narrow the firebox, which then has implications for the boiler.
For a smaller OF Mikado consider the Balwin 2-8-2s built for Patagonia SN 55429-55453, a few are still in service on the Esquel Line.
For a IF 4-6-0 Baldwin SN 40871 & 40872 Built for the Este de Minas in Brazil
And for Super Power Mitsubishi IF 2-10-2 (20 Built) a few rebuilt for service in Argentina, films of them with a 60 car coal drag are impressive!.
Ken Clark
GWN
Quote from: Ken Clark on November 08, 2012, 02:06:33 PM
For a smaller OF Mikado consider the Balwin 2-8-2s built for Patagonia SN 55429-55453, a few are still in service on the Esquel Line.
For a IF 4-6-0 Baldwin SN 40871 & 40872 Built for the Este de Minas in Brazil
And for Super Power Mitsubishi IF 2-10-2 (20 Built) a few rebuilt for service in Argentina, films of them with a 60 car coal drag are impressive!.
Ken Clark
GWN
I like them http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=57173 They'd be a big brother to the connie
Quote from: ebtbob on November 08, 2012, 08:01:12 AM
Mark,
the difference between the two is a 1/16 of an inch on either side of frame.
G'day Bob,
Are you saying the MMI ON3 K-27 is actually different from the ON30? or the difference would only be 1/16" [x2] if it was scaled down to ON30? I only have ON30 & have never seen the ON3 version in the flesh.
I'd love to do ON3, but they're just to expensive [limited runs / brass etc]
Cheers.
Mark
Quote from: Skarloey Railway on November 08, 2012, 01:42:04 PM
Why take a K27 and shrink it by 80% when you can take a smaller mike and make it accurate?
I agree, why scale down anything, ON30 is O scale; 1:48. So make a 1:48 ON30 k-27 & a smaller mikado as well.
The beauty of the ON30 compromise is it can use O scale locos from 24", 30" & 36" gauge prototypes.
The puritans will not like it; and I respect the strength of their convictions, but I like variety.
Cheers
Mark
Quote from: Mark Damien on November 09, 2012, 01:42:53 AM
Quote from: ebtbob on November 08, 2012, 08:01:12 AM
Mark,
the difference between the two is a 1/16 of an inch on either side of frame.
G'day Bob,
Are you saying the MMI ON3 K-27 is actually different from the ON30? or the difference would only be 1/16" [x2] if it was scaled down to ON30? I only have ON30 & have never seen the ON3 version in the flesh.
I'd love to do ON3, but they're just to expensive [limited runs / brass etc]
Cheers.
Mark
I would assume on a K27 the only difference between the On3 and the On2.5 versions is the wheelsets. As there's no inside valve gear or other physical obstruction between the backs of the wheels then there are no other compromises needed. The same applies for most o/s framed locos where the firebox/ashpan is behind or above the last set of drivers and there's no inside valve gear. I/s framed locos are a completely different proposition as the frames and centreline of the cylinders must be narrowed to compensate for the narrower gauge. But it must be do-able, as proven by Bachmann's 2-6-0.
Sign me up for a couple K-27's especially K-36, and K-37's I much prefer those, it would give me a good enough excuse to get back into O 2-rail again, that Brass M-75 at my local dealer is just calling my name even though its price tag is enough to make me think twice
Folks, in fact no need for a scaling down of a Mudhen. In fact you would not be able to notice the difference to a On3 gauged model. The outside frame and rest of the model would hide this good enough to have a accurate appeal of the K-27.
Ok, that´s right - it´s not that "just easy and straightforward job" to scale down the Fn3 model of the Mudhen (which is brilliant, thanks Bachmann for making it...) but a Mudhen with a good running gear would be able to elminate most lack of proper tracklaying if constructed the way the outstanding Fn3 model is.
Bachmann has shown several times how to make it right. And the new C-19 is another statement of the Bachmann folks´ artistry. So, why not making a K-27. MMI is not likely to reproduce them and I´m sure that a lot of folks out there would go for a D&RGW K-27 plus the two RGS versions inculding the 455 after wreck as built in Fn3 too. Especially the 455 after wreck would probably sell extremely well...
Cheers, Tom ;) ;) ;)
Amen to that Tom cat! and follow them up with a RGS/C&S 74 and possibly RGS 20.
Royce :D
I found it rather strange that almost the same rolling stock and engine in G scale bachmann has done is in On30 and there hasn't been an announcement for a K-27 and they were used on the N de M (Mexico) and one went to Hawaii plus they're a milestone in steam history, they've become as famous as the daylight and the big boy simply because they are still running to this very day.
The more I talk about it the more I want one, I still need to buy a On30 Connie and convert it to make a C-25 :D
The 8-18c/8-18d 4-4-0/2-6-0 should come first as they have been on the list for years. The k's will have their day.
Rock On!
~Dusten
Yep, Royce - thanks and ROGER THAT about the RGS 20 and the RGS/C&S 74 which would be a dream to have from Bachmann... :) :) :)
Ryeguyisme: That conversion of a Bachmann Consolidation into a C-25 or a C-21 is a nice job if you follow the recommendations my pal Bill Iwan has given in the On30 annual. This works pretty well. You can get all the needed bits and pieces from Precision Scale and the my other good friend Bill Banta makes a lasercut cab for the Bachmann Consolidation. There is a peaked roof and a round roof version of it in production by bill. The round roof just cries: Denver & Rio Grande Western, that´s me!! ;) ;) ;)
I just got me another cab conversion kit as I want to make another C-25 kitbash from a Bachmann Connie. I do have D&RGW 360 and 361 plus 375 here but want to make another 375 in her more recent version of the late 30ies with a green boiler...
Please Bachmann, why not making the C-19 and K-27 available in On30...?
We deserve them... ;D
Cheers, Tom
I read several times where people would complain because there would be a compromise in wheel gauge between On30 and On3.
This to me is the most ridiculous argument against bachmann building a K27 I have heard.
First I would say Most people could give a rats-A about whether the wheel gauge is wrong,
Second if you don't like the wheel gauge being wrong Don't buy one.
Bachmann must realise that online forums have a higher percentage of Rivet counters then there is in the real market, in the real martket most would be buying these locomotives, the percentage of people who would buy a K27 or C19 is far greater then those who would not because the gauge is wrong.
I cannot believe there are that many people that would think if they don't do the gauge to scale then don't make them at all... that's just foolishness.
NM-Jeff
O scale is 1/4 inch scale, meaning .25 of an inch is a foot. O 2-rail is 1-1/4 inch between the rails, which equals out to 5 feet, but an 1/8 inch isn't really that noticeable unless you have an eye for precision like me, but most rivet counters in O 2-rail dismiss the gauge thing because the brass and diecast manufacturers aren't going to change a standard that's been in practice for decades.
So get a grip and run your trains, nitpicking over wheel gauge isn't something to stress about in O
100% with you, folks - ryeguyisme and NM-Jeff!
The gauge does not make the big difference. I wouldn´t give a s... about the fact if the wheel gauge is wrong. Look folks, we do have Maine 2-footers from Bachmann. Any complains about the fact that their gauge is far too wide? There you go...
More and to me (and hopefully a lot of others out there) is the fact, that a good model needs to be a good runner. Hey, we love to see them move! That´s what Model Railroading is all about: See your trains roll through landscapes, not complain that there is this´n that wrong on a model which is not running at all (or is a horrible runner while looking brilliant...) >:( >:( >:( I have been through this: And YES, I won´t buy a bad running model any more, even if I desparately want it!
Its as ryeguyisme said: Go and run your trains and use this time to continue building your layout, running your trains and have fun. That´s what it´s all about!
Plus a good producer who listens to us and gives us the models we demand. Must I buy another Bachmann Fn3 model to admire... Probably yes: a C-19... ;) ;) ;)
Cheers, Tom
Quote from: ryeguyisme on November 15, 2012, 09:57:08 AM
O scale is 1/4 inch scale, meaning .25 of an inch is a foot. O 2-rail is 1-1/4 inch between the rails, which equals out to 5 feet, but an 1/8 inch isn't really that noticeable unless you have an eye for precision like me, but most rivet counters in O 2-rail dismiss the gauge thing because the brass and diecast manufacturers aren't going to change a standard that's been in practice for decades.
So get a grip and run your trains, nitpicking over wheel gauge isn't something to stress about in O
You haven't heard of P4 then http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P4_gauge. As some will know, British OO gauge is 4mm to the foot (1:76) running on 16.5 mm gauge or HO track, meaning the gauge is too narrow. P4 gets around this by staying with 1:76 scale but using 18.87mm gauge and involves a lot of scratchbuilding. For many people, the difference in gauge is important and for many it isn't. What's undeniable is that when you see the difference it is obvious.
With narrow gauge, perhaps because there have historically been a number of different gauges between 2' and 3', most modellers are quite tolerant. However, that some are willing to go the extra mile to get it right is to be applauded. The only downside to their efforts is that they tend to show up the work of those who don't go the extra mile :'(
There are also groups in n gauge who use ultra fine standards for wheels and tracks http://www.2mm.org.uk/ Again, their work is beautiful and puts ordinary n gauge to shame.
QuoteWhat's undeniable is that when you see the difference it is obvious.
The key word there is "When" When do you see it? when you have layouts sitting side by side? at a show once or twice a year or when you hold a picture up and try to scale it?
I guess the point is that A LOT more of the buying public Don't care then do, and those that do care are the type that would rather scratch build their own and brag about it rather then show off the perfectly gauged ready to run store bought locomotive.
I am from the percentage that would rather spend time detailing the scenery and buildings, the railroad is just a way to add life and movement to my scaled down world.
Here's something to think about... most all of your non railraoding friends Don't know there are different gauge tracks, most think all trains can run on all tracks, these are the same people that buy countless sets at Christmas and Locomotives for kids and Big Kids.
NM-Jeff
An issue for Bachmann in producing these locos, especially a K series, is size. Not everybody wants, or can accommodate, large locos. I can't for one. The ability to have O scale in a small space is one of the attractions of On30, and it is not surprising that there are many small layouts with tight curves in this scale. So, is the market for large locos large enough?
MMI apparently can't make a profit with this type of loco, so could Bachmann? I realise that they are different operations, but I expect Bachmann would need to sell more locos than MMI to break even. Could Bachmann could produce them at an attractive enough price to sell enough to make a profit? Bachmann would have a better idea of the answer to that than I do.
I agree that Bachmann should produce a range of different On30 products to suit all sections of the market, but they have to be able to sell their products at a profit.
Hamish
let's stop talking about MMI because they don't matter in this post, they had their glory and its over, put it to bed already. Bachmann by themselves can make a K-27 capable of negotiating 22 inch radius based on the experience alone in their field. What other manufacturer can make an HO scale 2-10-4 With 70" drivers I think? Go around 22 inch radius? You sound so negative and doubtful(no offense) like a I was before I started actually collecting brass engines, thinking I wasn't good enough or had the drive or ambition to save money and buy the brass engines I so needed for my prototype being the standard gauge of the DRGW and NOW I have a dozen and counting brass engines and still shopping around, I even have a PFM F-81 2-10-2 owned by Don Drew the owner of Pacific Fast Mail and its one of my prized and I sit here to tell you that if there's a will there's a way, you just have to believe in it.
The likeliness of bachmann doing a K-27 is EXTREMELY likely IMHO. It's a popular locomotive which means more people would be likely to dive into on30 such as myself. But I won't if such an engine doesn't come to exist
I don't want large narrow gauge locomotives, to my mind narrow gauge should be small and funky e.g. Porter tank locomotives, small geared locos, etc. I am not alone in this view, although I know there are others who disagree. That's fine, each to his or her own. My point was market size, not whether Bachmann could make a K27 to go round 22 inch curves (I agree that they could, incidentally my curves are 18 inch maximum). The question is, are there enough people who would buy such a loco to enable Bachmann to make a profit on it? I have no idea. The relevance of MMI is that they have apparently decided that they can't make a profit on their range on On30locomotives.
Hamish
Sadly for MMI, they produce what's ordered. From experience, getting someone to take an MMI order is impossible. So no orders - no locos.
Manufacturers in HO do this as well, & all it does is reduce the run size, increasing the price. If I have to pay more, I want to see the loco first, & see how well it runs before parting up with my hard earned cash.
So there's the ol' Catch 22.
Bachmann has not fallen into this bad business trend yet, relying on economies of scale bulk sales.
I would expect a reasonably priced well running, detailed loco capable of 22" curves, like all their offerings.
P.S. All my MMI k-27, 28, 36 & 37's negotiate 22" curves.
Quote
The key word there is "When" When do you see it? when you have layouts sitting side by side? at a show once or twice a year or when you hold a picture up and try to scale it?
I guess the point is that A LOT more of the buying public Don't care then do, and those that do care are the type that would rather scratch build their own and brag about it rather then show off the perfectly gauged ready to run store bought locomotive.
I am from the percentage that would rather spend time detailing the scenery and buildings, the railroad is just a way to add life and movement to my scaled down world.
Here's something to think about... most all of your non railraoding friends Don't know there are different gauge tracks, most think all trains can run on all tracks, these are the same people that buy countless sets at Christmas and Locomotives for kids and Big Kids.
NM-Jeff
You sound a little bitter there Jeff.
I don't know any scratchbuilder who brags. All I see is that if you want to model a railroad/railway to the best possible standard then gauge and track standards are part of that. It so happens that the great majority of layouts built to exact gauge and so on also have excellent buildings and scenery. And here in the UK you can easily get to 4 local shows a year and if you're willing to travel up to a 100 miles you can get to a great many more, so the opportunity to see the best work comes around quite often.
As for non-railroading friends, why should I care what they think? In the UK the market for railways for kids is dominated by OO and N gauge. There is no demand from children or adults buying presents for children in On30 scale.
For me, some of the best model railroads are those that closely prototype practise, Mike Confalone's Allagash being a great example.
Skarloey Railway,
I'm not bitter at all if it reads that way it is unintentional
I do wonder why there is a trend for people to have the attitude of "If it is not exact scale, gauge, or what ever then don't Build it, my attitude is if it not what you want then don't buy it but to campaign against it's possible production is pointless.
I want a K27 in On30 but I don't want to have to build one or modify something else to get it. Bachmann has the ability to make an affordable version of one and I hope they do.
On30 may not have as high a demand as other scales but that is because Affordable Ready to run items are new to the market compaired to the other scales give it a little more time and more great locomotives and the rate at which it is growing will continue.
Lastly my screen name is narrowminded but I am not so narrow minded that I think the only way to enjoy model railroads is to make them as accurate as possible.
NM-Jeff
I read years ago, the minimum mainline radius equates to a 10' radius in OO scale.
So to model something accurately, you would need a lot of space.
Tim Warris modelled his HO scale layout on the CNJ Bronx Terminal & it is to scale.
It's absolutely brilliant & I could write reams on every tiny detail, but it's still only a freight yard.
Well, I just scrolled back through this thread and no where did I see people complaining about On30 being too narrow or arguing that Bachmann shouldn't make a 3' gauge loco in On30. There was some talk about the compromises involved in making a 3' gauge loco in On30, but it wasn't exactly negative.
There are different aims in model railroading and different compromises involved and a few millimetres in the gauge is one of the least of them given the ease of getting rtr rolling stock and locos. Far worse compromises (to me) are using a ridiculous degree of compression to cram in too much rr in too small a space and using over-tight radius curves to do it. We don't need to use a minimum of 10' radius in HO scale but we can avoid anything excessive by modelling less but modelling it better. From my observation, far too many modellers are getting their inspiration and ideas from other models these days and have forgetten what the real thing looked like.
As for a K27, I suspect it would sell to those who collect locos and don't much care about following the prototype and also to the relative small number actually modelling the RGW and the few other lines that used K27s. If Bachmann do bring it in, I hope they do a version 'as built' with Vauclain compounding and inside valve gear.
But I'd prefer an On30 Baldwin 8/18C 4-4-0 and 2-6-0 version as they were far more common and ran everywhere.
Ok, I think that Bachmann did produce for some good reason the RGS past wreck K-27 No.455 which is not that much prominent with a lot of Narrow Gaugers. That was Fn3, ok, and there was no MMI model already.
BUT: MMI did not make the 455 after wreck and only by Southwest Narrow Gauge´s efforts they will eventually make one. I would go and sell all my MMI mudhens if Bachmann would make one. I´d go for a 453, 456, 463 and the 455 RGS past wreck, though... :)
Ok, the more recent Vauclain version would not be for me, but why not making it. To me, the K-27 is a engine which looked better after the nearly complete change of design in the past-Vauclain era, but I´m sure there are lots of folks out there, such as Skarloey Railway posted, which may need a Vauclain K-27.
The point is, that, if Bachmann would make one, we would have a perfect looking, brilliantly running model.
Cheers, Tom ;) ;) ;)
Quote from: Mark Damien on November 17, 2012, 04:21:32 AM
I read years ago, the minimum mainline radius equates to a 10' radius in OO scale.
So to model something accurately, you would need a lot of space.
Tim Warris modelled his HO scale layout on the CNJ Bronx Terminal & it is to scale.
It's absolutely brilliant & I could write reams on every tiny detail, but it's still only a freight yard.
Tim Warris has something extraordinary there. Only a freight yard, yeah, but what a yard! Great website as well http://www.bronx-terminal.com/
Quote from: Tomcat on November 17, 2012, 12:03:54 PM
BUT: MMI did not make the 455 after wreck and only by Southwest Narrow Gauge´s efforts they will eventually make one. I would go and sell all my MMI mudhens if Bachmann would make one. I´d go for a 453, 456, 463 and the 455 RGS past wreck, though... :)
Cheers, Tom ;) ;) ;)
G'day Tom,
Southwest Narrow Gauge does have k-27 455 ATW [& BTW] in stock.
From a previous post - below:
""Recently, Bruce at Southwest Narrow Gauge sent me this.
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 08:48:50 -0700
At this writing I have a MMI Mix of on3/on30 locomotives
49 C-19s
210 K27s
150 K28s
9 K36s (on30 only)
236 K37s
#455 K27 ATW in stock. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Plus, 175 brass on3 only, locomotives.
Bruce""
Cheers.
Mark
Thank you Mark,
a while back I spoke to Bruce about the 455 after wreck. I did not check about this engine the last time, but the RGS mudhen did really become real!
Ok, all these MMI Models are kind of "black box". Some run fine, some don´t. Heck, I´d rather buy one from Bachmann or even replace all my MMI models by Bachmann models if they would once built them.
Cheers, Tom
Luckily for me Tom, all my MMI locos run fine.
I am surprised Bachmann have not built any of the K's or C's.
I'm sure they'd be big sellers.
I'd like a C-25 & was disappointed when MMI cancelled their project.
Cheers.
Mark
Mark,
my Mudhens run fine. I first had issues with my K-36 and that was the reason I dropped the idea to buy a K-37...
But I did build a C-25 and two C-21 from Bachmann Connies. Just fine runners...
Cheers, Tom :)