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Title: Removing rail joins from E-Z Track
Post by: VidGuy069 on November 07, 2012, 12:31:01 PM
I did a quick search on removing rail joins from e-z track.  I attempted this using needle nose pliers and only succeeded in pulling out the entire rail.  I need to replace the joins on the e-z track with code 83 - 100 joins for my swing bridge.

As always and all help is genuinely appreciated.

Sincerely,
VidGuy069


Title: Re: Removing rail joins from E-Z Track
Post by: Joe Satnik on November 07, 2012, 02:22:03 PM
Dear VG,

Is the joiner spot welded to the rail?

Sincerely,

Joe Satnik


Title: Re: Removing rail joins from E-Z Track
Post by: Jerrys HO on November 07, 2012, 07:30:48 PM
Vid

I remove them all the time as I solder feeder wires in. I use a pair of cutting pliers and bite as far in as I can. While holding the rail down so I don't break the spikes I wiggle it back and forth while gently pulling backwards on the joiner. They are crimped to the rail. A couple were tougher so I took a small pick and loosen the edges.

Jerry


Title: Re: Removing rail joins from E-Z Track
Post by: jward on November 07, 2012, 07:51:37 PM
it seems a shame that to romove the joiner you have to destroy it. Isn't there a better way? how are you supposed to insulate for block control?


Title: Re: Removing rail joins from E-Z Track
Post by: Jerrys HO on November 07, 2012, 08:05:20 PM
Jeff
I use the plastic (rubbery) joiners for my dead sidings. If the track changes and needs to be powered I use the Atlas terminal rail joiners for more feeders.

Jerry


Title: Re: Removing rail joins from E-Z Track
Post by: jward on November 07, 2012, 08:12:51 PM
that's what i use most of the time. but i solder direcily to the rails for all my feeder connections. don't try that on steel track though.


Title: Re: Removing rail joins from E-Z Track
Post by: az2rail on November 07, 2012, 09:59:03 PM
Sorry, I can not help you. I have never had a problem removing or installing any of my railjoiners.

Bruce


Title: Re: Removing rail joins from E-Z Track
Post by: NarrowMinded on November 07, 2012, 10:33:46 PM
To remove rail joiners from ez track  I use a pair of close cut nippers. I slide the flat side of the nippers right up to the the rail, I then sqeeze down enough to hold with out cutting through, I then rotate the cutter so the top back of the blade presses aginst the railhead this causes the joiner to break free and come off without pulling the track out of the ties, it does destroy the joiner but does not harm the rail.

NM-Jeff


Title: Re: Removing rail joins from E-Z Track
Post by: Len on November 10, 2012, 07:06:10 AM
It sounds like Bachmann changed the joiner attachment method from the originals at some point. When did that happen?

I have a bunch of the original EZ-Track, and the joiners have been easy to remove since the first day I got it. No different than other brands of standard sectional track.

I've never had any problem switching out with plastic isolation joiners or terminal joiners. If they got too loose, and fell into the black hole loose rail joiners seem to disappear into, I just changed them out with Peco Code 100 joiners. The Peco's are a bit tight out of the package, but work well.

I can't understand why Bachmann would want to make it harder to do such a basic thing as switch rail joiners?

Len


Title: Re: Removing rail joins from E-Z Track
Post by: Pacific Northern on November 10, 2012, 07:51:50 PM
To remove rail joiners from ez track  I use a pair of close cut nippers. I slide the flat side of the nippers right up to the the rail, I then sqeeze down enough to hold with out cutting through, I then rotate the cutter so the top back of the blade presses aginst the railhead this causes the joiner to break free and come off without pulling the track out of the ties, it does destroy the joiner but does not harm the rail.

NM-Jeff

I tried you method and I only loosen the rail from the ties.

I no longer try to remove the original clip.

When I need to gap a rail, I use my dremel.

I really wish Bachmann did not attach the joiners in such a way that people like me mangle the track. The only way I can use Bachmann track that has lost a clip is to shorten the piece so that I may attach a new clip.


Title: Re: Removing rail joins from E-Z Track
Post by: richg on November 10, 2012, 09:52:32 PM
Welcome to one of the many joys of model railroading.
Bachmann would then have to be selling packs of pins. The company in China would have to strart shipping packs of pins. More manufacturing cost.
I remember that from my first days of Lionel trains when you could remove and lose the pins.
Every modeler should have a Dremel with diamond cutoff wheel.

Rich


Title: Re: Removing rail joins from E-Z Track
Post by: Len on November 11, 2012, 03:01:38 AM
Welcome to one of the many joys of model railroading.
Bachmann would then have to be selling packs of pins. The company in China would have to strart shipping packs of pins. More manufacturing cost.
I remember that from my first days of Lionel trains when you could remove and lose the pins.
Every modeler should have a Dremel with diamond cutoff wheel.

Rich

Code 100 rail joiners are already available from Bachmann, item number 44499. They are also readily available from multiple other sources, e.g., Peco, Atlas, Shinohara, and Model Power.

Creating gaps is not the only reason for removing rail joiners. Trying to disguise the standard terminal track power connection can be a pain. And on larger curves where an added power connection is needed, using the standard terminal tracks isn't possible. In which case, many prefer to use 'terminal joiners' for power connections. They are easy to hide, and can be used with any radius curve.

So I can't understand why Bachmann would make it difficult to remove the rail joiners. It completely flys in the face of basic layout building.

Len


Title: Re: Removing rail joins from E-Z Track
Post by: NarrowMinded on November 11, 2012, 01:08:10 PM
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I tried you method and I only loosen the rail from the ties.

Thats odd, there should be no force pulling the the rail away from the ties at all

heres a video to help

http://s792.beta.photobucket.com/user/NarrowmindedRR/media/20121110195709.mp4.html

NM-Jeff


Title: Re: Removing rail joins from E-Z Track
Post by: NarrowMinded on November 11, 2012, 03:43:51 PM
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I can't understand why Bachmann would make it difficult to remove the rail joiners. It completely flys in the face of basic layout building.

Bachmann EZ-track I believe was designed with the "SET" Buyers in mind.

These buyers don't want to deal with lost tiny joiners or having joiners that may both stay on one end of the track or fall off completely.

I know when my 5 and 8 year olds are snapping track together and pulling it apart they don't need to be dealing with joiners that are missing or in the wrong place or slide to far onto one track.

I think Bachmann has addressed the very idea of the most "Basic" layout and that is the one laid out on your floor with kids using their imaginations for the scenery.

NM-Jeff


Title: Re: Removing rail joins from E-Z Track
Post by: Pacific Northern on November 11, 2012, 05:18:13 PM
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I tried you method and I only loosen the rail from the ties.

Thats odd, there should be no force pulling the the rail away from the ties at all

heres a video to help

http://s792.beta.photobucket.com/user/NarrowmindedRR/media/20121110195709.mp4.html

NM-Jeff


The video explains it. Bachmann has changed the joiner.

The old joiners have a very noticeable crimp about 2/3 down the length of the joiner, the joiners in the video do not.

I am glad that Bachmann has changed the joiner, although I only use for Bachmann track on part of my layout and the rest of the layout is a mixture of flex track and some sectional track and switches.



Title: Re: Removing rail joins from E-Z Track
Post by: Jerrys HO on November 11, 2012, 07:39:33 PM
P.N.

The new track is crimped, Jeff may have older track. All mine is less than 3yrs. to present. A little patience and they will come off.

Jerry



Title: Re: Removing rail joins from E-Z Track
Post by: NarrowMinded on November 11, 2012, 10:53:06 PM
Jerry is right the track I posted video of is the older track.

Good news is I have some of the new track as well, so I gave them a try, they are even easier to remove then the older style and once removed the rail joiners don't look like they are crimped but have little holes in the sides that the plastic molded spikes fall into to help hold them, the older tracks have just a hint of a molded spike.

NM-Jeff