Enough already with those big locos! :(
They're nice, but isn't it about time for a Spectrum level 2-6-2 "Prairie" for us folks with smaller layouts? The IHC 2-6-0 "Moguls" are okay, but they just don't have that 'hauling the freight' look "Prairie's" have.
The prototypes had a ton of them. But, without getting into brass, the only HO 'Prairie' out there any more seems to be Bachmann's 20 year old technology "lights and smokes" toy in the white box. And the 'smoker' usually ends up melting the boiler after a while. :-\
What does it take to get Bachmann interested in these smaller steamers?
Or Model Power for that matter. If Bachmann won't do a decent "Prairie" maybe MP can be convinced to bring out an updated version of the old Mantua 'Prairie'. I wish somebody would.
The Bachmann Mogul and the Prarie are nothing more than their USRA 0-6-0 with added pilot and, in the case of the Prarie, trailing truck(s) added.
Life Like holds the license for the old Mantua molds, so Bachmann isn't going to get them, I'm sure.
I agree, more small models are good.
Gene
Id go for a Santa Fe 1000 class or 1800 class 2-6-2. The 1000 and 1100 class were light locomotives. They saw service all over the system.
Wabash 2005 would be nice:
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/wab/wab-s2005ark.jpg (http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/wab/wab-s2005ark.jpg)
Or Frisco 1050:
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/slsf/slsf-s1050abw.jpg (http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/slsf/slsf-s1050abw.jpg)
And for a small loco, Frisco 1060 is kind of pretty:
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/slsf/slsf-s1060abw.jpg (http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/slsf/slsf-s1060abw.jpg)
There's even NYC 4658:
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nyc/nyc-s4658.jpg (http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nyc/nyc-s4658.jpg)
I'd even settle for an 'Undec' at this point.
Len
Who would have thought of a semi-streamlined Prarie?
Gene
Quote from: SteamGene on August 15, 2007, 03:50:58 PM
Who would have thought of a semi-streamlined Prarie?
Gene
The 'Frisco' had class! ;)
Len
Now I am curious:
Why would they streamline a prarie? It seems to me to be a waste of money.
I'm with you guys, though; the Bachmann "prarie' was nothing more than an 0-6-0 switcher with the name "Prarie" on the box. Bull!!
Let's see what Life-like does, as the old Mantua moulds are thiers.
Rich
I'm with you on smaller locos. I don't care for 4-wheel pilot or trailing trucks, but give me a nice Prairie (Do you think the boys at the Frisco were smoking dope in the old days?), Mogul or Connie and I'm happy. Some Mikes, too, though they could get pretty large.
There weren't really all that many Prairies around. For some reason they didn't catch on. Maybe it was the advent of super power and the rapidly growing need for big tonnage machines.
It was a long time between the advent of the 2-6-2 and Super Power. My understanding is that both the 2-6-0 and the 2-6-2 were not great achievers. Which is not to say there shouldn't be a decent model or two of them, especially for the smaller layout.
I'd say I'd buy one if they came out, but then what would I do with my five Consolidations? ;D
Gene
Good evening all !! I am with Ram on this one. I am going to have to look in my "Iron Horses of the Santa Fe " book, to find out which road/class number I would support. But by all means Bachman, Please make a A.T.S.F. prairie.
I would purchase three of them if the price was right.
Bob
Hi Len,
Did know if you meant to actually have those engines made or if you thought they were Prarie's, but Frisco 1050 is a home built 4-6-2, and the 1060 is also a home built 4-6-4. Frisco did not own any Prarie's.
Frisco 1060 is a stream liner used in passenger service. That's why she has the skirts. Her colors were blue and silver.
Just an FYI....nice to be here.
Yes, Mr. Bachmann...it would be EXTREMELY nice to see a Spectrum Prarie roll off the lines.
Frisco_Manny
I'd say I'd buy one if they came out, but then what would I do with my five Consolidations?
Gene;
Run 'em back to back, and pretend you have two and a half 2-8-8-2s.
(works on TV...)
Rich
Gene,
A small correction if I may. Model Power, not Life Like, has the Mantua line, now called "Mantua Classics". They have already reintroduced the 2-6-6-2 logger, with and without tenders, the 0-6-0T, and Camel Back 0-6-0.
The 4-6-2 and the 4-6-2 Camel Back are expected next. Changes have been minor, but they are DCC ready with can motors like the last batch Mantua produced.
Sheldon
Sheldon,
You are absolutely correct. I guess I got caught up in that Southern tradition - if you go by two names, you are related! ::)
Gene
Quote from: Frisco_Manny on August 15, 2007, 11:40:22 PM
Hi Len,
Did know if you meant to actually have those engines made or if you thought they were Prarie's, but Frisco 1050 is a home built 4-6-2, and the 1060 is also a home built 4-6-4. Frisco did not own any Prarie's.
Frisco 1060 is a stream liner used in passenger service. That's why she has the skirts. Her colors were blue and silver.
Just an FYI....nice to be here.
Yes, Mr. Bachmann...it would be EXTREMELY nice to see a Spectrum Prarie roll off the lines.
Frisco_Manny
Manny,
The 'Fallen Flags' web page labels both as 2-6-2's, which is why I included them. The pilot truck is in shadow on the pic of 1050 and behind a steam cloud on the pic of 1060, so I just went with the picture labels.
And they have the look of the 2-6-2's I remember from my youth.
Len
Hi Len,
Please don't think I was yelling or mad at you. I wasn't. Just wasn't sure which way you were going. It's all good. Frisco steam is my forte. Wish more of their steam was made, but since the Frisco built there own steam mostly, and used very little USRA, I don't think that's going to happen.
Hey Bach-man, please bring back the Frisco 2-10-0!
Manny
Before a 2-6-2, which was not a popular prototype loco, we need a Spectrum 2-6-0, a much more useful loco.
And PLEASE a least an "undec" version with piston valves, smooth domes, steel cab and other modern appliances. Enough with "wild west" wedding cake domes and slidevalves. :)
Good Morning All,
I think the addition of a 2-6-2 in On30 would also be a great addition to the Spectrum Lne. The EBT was one of the ng roads that had a 2-6-2, #11, their mystery loco. After leaving the railroad no one knows what finally happened to it.
Quote from: rogertra on August 18, 2007, 01:45:36 AM
Before a 2-6-2, which was not a popular prototype loco, we need a Spectrum 2-6-0, a much more useful loco.
2-6-2 Not popular? ??? Bite 'yer tongue and check out the Wabash Class G-1 Prairies at:
http://www.wabash-railroad.com/px2-6-2.htm (http://www.wabash-railroad.com/px2-6-2.htm)
Then there are the CB&Q Class R1 - R5 Prairies, NYC Class J40 & J41, Milw K-1's, and don't forget those Santa Fe units mentioned by others earlier in this thread.
At least IHC has been doing a reasonable 2-6-0 for a while. There hasn't been a decent 2-6-2 made in years.
Len
Hey all,
I'm a shortline modeler and just have a temp. layout at the moment. The 2-6-2 is something I want for my layout, but I don't want just the regular version. A spectrum DCC in Santa Fe would be what I want.
I just ordered a Spectrum DCC Santa Fe 2-8-0 for my frieght, but I still need something prototypical for a small passenger train. I bought a prarie from bachmann about six years ago and I loved it...until it broke! The smoke generator was too hot and melted back the stack, and the linkage was loose, causing it to come off and break off the guide on the cylinder. Now it cant run unless I take off all the linkage on that side.
If they made a spectrum 2-6-2, I would buy one right away, but they need it in Santa Fe. I've done some research, and ATSF had quite a few praries.
I'd also sometime like to see a spectrum pacific that is not a K-4. Not all lines had k4's.
First of all, the only line that had a K4 that was a heavy Pacific with a Belpaire firebox was the PRR and a few of its subsidiaries. The C&O had a K4, but it was a super power 2-8-4.
If you have a Bachmann locootive that went belly up through no fault of your own, contact service for a replacement.
Gene
I just sent in the request for the replacement.
maybe Bachmann China will make a YJ class Steamer :D
(http://www.railography.co.uk/info/cn_steam/profiles/pics/yj_90-07-08.jpg)
Of the 1000 2-6-2s built for main line service ths Santa Fe had 238. All of the Santa Fe 2-6-2s had 69 inch drivers with the exception of three locomotives. One #2447 had 44 inch drives and last but one year before being sold. Two were built as pusher power with 63 inch drives. Four 4-6-2s were converted to 2-6-2s. The 1800 class were good helper engines. The 2-6-2s served the Santa Fe well until the 50s. #1026 went to be scrapped all dressed up because my home town could not agree where to put the engine. There was also some 700 small 2-6-2s built for loggong and industrail roads. Most of those had 44 inch drivers.
Hi Ram. The powers that be in your hometown couldn't even find a park to keep it in? They even could have built fencing around it to keep vandals from it. What a waste for a great steam locomotive.
Bob
Oh they had places they could have put it. North of the station was a rose garden. No No we are not going to give up room for that engine. Ok south of the station. No No people will think there is a train coming.