76049-Gordon's composite coach
76048-Gordon's brake coach
77027-flat car with paint drums
77045-salt wagon
Too bad these are being kicked out. Has anyone noticed price increases on the ENTIRE range? What do peeps think of that?
I am okay with the flat car with paint drums being discontinued, as long as the flat car comes back with a new load such as logs.
Gordon's express coaches being discontinued though? Well I hope there are plans for new express coaches in the future to make more accurate ones, otherwise I can't see why Bachmann discontinued them in the first place.
That's odd, it seems strange that Gordon's coaches are discontinued. Maybe T.T. 4 will be salt wagon with a face... ::)
At least Gordon will be kept on! They cannot have the complete range of Thomas engines without him! :)
Aww dang it!!! I didn't even get those trucks yet!! I better get them while I can!
This is stupid, the range is supposed to be expanding every year, and all their doing is making the range the same size by discontinuing things... Soon we'll be asking Bachmann, "Why are there all these engines, but almost nothing for them to shunt, or pull?" :'(
Quote from: JD417 on February 13, 2013, 07:14:24 AM
This is stupid, the range is supposed to be expanding every year, and all their doing is making the range the same size by discontinuing things... Soon we'll be asking Bachmann, "Why are there all these engines, but almost nothing for them to shunt, or pull?" :'(
I agree! Discontinuing great things is starting to get ridiculous. I don't have a single coach in my collection!
Items are discontinued when they stop selling. They can always be brought back into the line at a later date.
Quote from: Yardmaster on February 13, 2013, 03:21:46 PM
Items are discontinued when they stop selling. They can always be brought back into the line at a later date.
I guess I don't feel bad. :)
Quote from: Yardmaster on February 13, 2013, 03:21:46 PM
Items are discontinued when they stop selling. They can always be brought back into the line at a later date.
Quote from: Yardmaster on February 13, 2013, 03:21:46 PM
Items are discontinued when they stop selling. They can always be brought back into the line at a later date.
What requirements must there be for them to be brought back? Please answer. :/
Yes, I'm curious as well...
Enough time for demand to rebuild for the particular item. Everything is based on sales. If it doesn't sell there is no reason to produce it.
Dear Yardmaster
Here is how I would re-release the express coaches:
76050 Sodor Express Composite Coach
76051 Sodor Express Dining Coach
76052 Sodor Express Brake Coach
all Price at $40 (£25.79 or 29.98 Euros) and in dark mint green and cream livery with a dark yellow stripe separating the two colours
A problem with the express coaches was the price, probably a reason they didn't sell well. Coach tooling is expensive I know but if you want even a three coach express that'll cost you over 120. That's a bit much.
Darn. I really needed those coaches. And the salt wagon. Oh well I can still get the salt wagon in saltys dockside delivory.
Quote from: thomasj219 on February 14, 2013, 12:36:47 PM
A problem with the express coaches was the price, probably a reason they didn't sell well. Coach tooling is expensive I know but if you want even a three coach express that'll cost you over 120. That's a bit much.
But bear in mind, in the shops, the prices will vary and are lower.
I agree. If something does not sell, then there is no point in having it.
While I have had the Red Express coaches for a while, last year I bought a 1st, 3rd, and brake coach on sale from Hattons, in the Crimson and Cream livery. Two weeks ago I purchased 2 more carriages, also on sale from Hattons. The Maunsell coaches will act as my express while the red Bachmann coaches act as my stopping passenger service. My original idea for getting the coaches was to repaint them in Green and Cream livery, but now I'm not sure whether to repaint them because they are all ready really nice strait out of the box. In my opinion, both sets of coaches look nice behind any engine, but the munsell coaches look really nice behind Gordon, Henry, James, and Edward. The Bachmann coaches look best behind Donald and Douglas.
I wonder which coaches will look best behind Duck.. ::)
Did anyone else notice that the well wagon was too discontinued? :-\
I imagine the Red Express Coaches would have looked best behind Duck. Maybe those blood and cream coaches mentioned on the last page would do the job too?
Shame the Express Coaches are gone(for now, I hope they return or are retooled soon). Wonder what will fill their place?
Besides Spencer's Special Coach, which is the only sort of big coaches in the range at the moment.
well now the only bigger coach we have is Spencer's, and that sucks because we don't even have his brake coach...
I had to make one, which is a little ridiculous, because I could've easily just gotten the Hornby ones instead..
Well, then again, if ya think about it, Spencer would only need one coach because it's enough for just the Duke and Duchess of Boxford. It's not like they needed two or three (pretty much overkill for only two people)... So in a way, I could see why they don't have a brake coach.
but before Spencer "claimed" these coaches for his own, Gordon, and James were seen pulling them, especially around Kirk Ronan (the station with "Gordon's View") and a brake coach is a must in all passenger train excursions anyway. and also, the ERTL models of these coaches stated that they loved being pulled by Gordon :-\
Wholesale trains still shows the salt wagon,well wagon,and tar tanker in stock!!!!Go to their website and check out their prices.
Hope this helps,
UPTODAY
Thanks UPTODAY, but after all the stock runs out at retailers, that's it. It's slightly sad.
While I can see Spencer's special coach being pulled around by others, it is a shame to loose the Express Coaches.
I see Bachmann UK has some lovely Blood-and-Cream coaches that could work in the Express Coaches's place, but not everyone can get their hands on them so easily. Hmm.
I hope the Express Coaches make a return back to the range someday. We shall miss them dearly.
The Tar Tanker Wagon may come back into HO Scale one day, if enough people want it and if it sells like hotcakes! :)
Quote from: seanrail on February 14, 2013, 12:04:15 PM
Dear Yardmaster
Here is how I would re-release the express coaches:
76050 Sodor Express Composite Coach
76051 Sodor Express Dining Coach
76052 Sodor Express Brake Coach
all Price at $40 (£25.79 or 29.98 Euros) and in dark mint green and cream livery with a dark yellow stripe separating the two colours
on second thought, $30 for each coach, making it $90 for the three.
You guys need to understand if Bachmann re-releases this coach, they most likely not, but if they do, they need to make VERY expensive, because they realize that not many people want it. So supply vs. demand says I need to make 300 of the coaches to make production costs relatively fair, but I am going to have way too many coaches, so I need to be able to make my money back. I'll make them all 60 dollars each so at least all the people who really want them can pay for coaches still sitting in the warehouse. That's kinda how it works.
Quote from: SodorAdventures on March 09, 2013, 08:08:58 AM
You guys need to understand if Bachmann re-releases this coach, they most likely not, but if they do, they need to make VERY expensive, because they realize that not many people want it. So supply vs. demand says I need to make 300 of the coaches to make production costs relatively fair, but I am going to have way too many coaches, so I need to be able to make my money back. I'll make them all 60 dollars each so at least all the people who really want them can pay for coaches still sitting in the warehouse. That's kinda how it works.
In a sense, but really you can't charge 60 dollars for something that people thought was too much in the first place. They stopped selling, therefore were no longer produced, Increasing the price and bringing them back will do nothing. That's more just churning out a ridicouously expensive product and hoping some will buy it. It's not that people don't want the coaches either it's that
they can't afford them. I think new cheaper coaches will be introduced into the range within the next 2-3 years. Maybe express, maybe not.
If coach tooling really is that expensive than maybe they are looking for a new way to go about making them, I'm not really sure.
However how supply and demand works is that when there is MORE demand the price goes higher, not the other way around. I realize you don't think these coaches will be remade and nor do I for that very reason.
When something doesn't sell at 40 you don't reintroduce it at 60. The few who would buy it just isn't enough.
Quote from: thomasj219 on March 09, 2013, 02:29:24 PM
Quote from: SodorAdventures on March 09, 2013, 08:08:58 AM
You guys need to understand if Bachmann re-releases this coach, they most likely not, but if they do, they need to make VERY expensive, because they realize that not many people want it. So supply vs. demand says I need to make 300 of the coaches to make production costs relatively fair, but I am going to have way too many coaches, so I need to be able to make my money back. I'll make them all 60 dollars each so at least all the people who really want them can pay for coaches still sitting in the warehouse. That's kinda how it works.
In a sense, but really you can't charge 60 dollars for something that people thought was too much in the first place. They stopped selling, therefore were no longer produced, Increasing the price and bringing them back will do nothing. That's more just churning out a ridicouously expensive product and hoping some will buy it. It's not that people don't want the coaches either it's that they can't afford them. I think new cheaper coaches will be introduced into the range within the next 2-3 years. Maybe express, maybe not.
If coach tooling really is that expensive than maybe they are looking for a new way to go about making them, I'm not really sure.
However how supply and demand works is that when there is MORE demand the price goes higher, not the other way around. I realize you don't think these coaches will be remade and nor do I for that very reason.
When something doesn't sell at 40 you don't reintroduce it at 60. The few who would buy it just isn't enough.
I was addressing the fact only a few of the people here want to buy more express coaches. If they [Bachmann] need to make more for the 10 people who want two each, they need to charge much more because of the fact that even 20 coaches is not enough to get mass production (cheaper) pricing . I do understand that they were not being sold (probably due to price)... I think we may just have had a misunderstanding.
Every discontinued item is still in stock somewhere. I was in a hobby store (Central Hobbies, Vancouver, went as a late birthday present ;D) today, and saw lots of discontinued items. I still think it's annoying when stuff is discontinued though. I like to have the option to buy something, even if I don't buy!
Quote from: Shawn on March 10, 2013, 12:33:50 AM
I like to have the option to buy something, even if I don't buy!
I couldn't have said it any better myself ;D
Thank you for explaining it Yard Master! :)
Quote from: Shawn on March 10, 2013, 12:33:50 AMI like to have the option to buy something, even if I don't buy!
If you dont buy something, you might not have an option to buy. (45 miles to my nearest train store now)
Every one wants low cost trains. Across all scales Bachmann trains are compairable to many other manufacturer. Often at a better price. Thomas's lines seem lower in cost than in most of the "rivit counting" counterparts too. They look good, have action, and the line up is big. Re-releases of locos and cars do happen over time in other areas of model RR. Till then yardsales, train shows, lists, and auctions are the best places for the occasional deal, or great find, on out of production stuff. Your really not a true train collector till you buy something rare or used anyway ::). So let the hunt begin.
the better question is where.
I wish Tomy was still making the trains Track master with the talking trains just creep me out. I have a few collectibles but no like 2,000 dollar ones
Quote from: mrrailroad on March 21, 2013, 06:47:00 PM
I wish Tomy was still making the trains Track master with the talking trains just creep me out. I have a few collectibles but no like 2,000 dollar ones
I plan to sell a bunch of old tomy's on ebay, anyone interested ;)?
Im looking for Ladys and i have found some so yah
The prices could have been lowered.
Quote from: seanrail on March 09, 2013, 06:26:12 AM
Quote from: seanrail on February 14, 2013, 12:04:15 PM
Dear Yardmaster
Here is how I would re-release the express coaches:
76050 Sodor Express Composite Coach
76051 Sodor Express Dining Coach
76052 Sodor Express Brake Coach
all Price at $40 (£25.79 or 29.98 Euros) and in dark mint green and cream livery with a dark yellow stripe separating the two colours
on second thought, $30 for each coach, making it $90 for the three.
$25 then; the same current price as BAC76040, but this is my last offer to save Gordon from pulling trucks and groaning 'O the Indignity!' or 'Disgraceful!' with James and Henry respectively saying 'Disgusting!' and 'Despicable!'
Spencer's coach could also be used as the special coach that Thomas took from Gordon's express in "The Missing Coach" as well. ::) or as RWS coaches.
There are also express coaches left over at shops and the coaches from the "other companie".
You know I was hoping I would be able to get Gordon's Express coaches. However I believe you can still get them on Amazon that is where I am going to have to get my railroad literally but I don't mind just anyways just saying there is still hope for some of you and if anybody decided on building them from scratch please make a new topic saying so.
Quote from: Yardmaster on February 14, 2013, 08:19:15 AM
Enough time for demand to rebuild for the particular item. Everything is based on sales. If it doesn't sell there is no reason to produce it.
I do not understand the reply. do you mean for us to place our demands for the discontinued products?
Sign this petition to get back the Thomas Products that have discontinued.
https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/bachmann-trains-usa-to-stop-discontinuing-ho-thomas-friends-rolling-stock-even-those-that-have-appeared-in-the-cgi-series (https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/bachmann-trains-usa-to-stop-discontinuing-ho-thomas-friends-rolling-stock-even-those-that-have-appeared-in-the-cgi-series)
They are not going to listen to any of the petitions that you make. I don't intend to be mean, but it is starting to get annoying.
And I really don't think a petition is necessary
sorry, but I don't really think you'll get far with that petition.
You know Sean outside of the web my name is Isaiah and I support your petition and guess what a petition is in order everybody else sits and waits for news on products coming back and nobody emphasis on nobody does anything about it they just accept it as it is well if you want it back than you need to realize what you are saying. come on now Sean is the only one so far that has done more than you and that is sad. because all he did was put it on a petition wall. Wow I am shocked and amused at you.
it all depends on sales. if a product sells well, then they will keep it around. If sales in something, like the salt wagon, dwindle over the years, then Bachmann won't keep it in production. why keep making a product that's not selling well enough to keep it around longer? that would be a waste of time and money. so, go ahead, sign the petition. I don't think that Bachmann will put the discontinued products back in production because a whole 4 people signed a little petition saying they want this stuff back.
You've put the finger on the problem. POPULAR, which these products aren't anymore. I remember the days when Thomas was switching to CGI in 2008. I was all up in arms and trying to do anything to change their minds. But as time passes and you grow older, you start to pick your battles and realize that some things are beyond your control. Unfortunately this is one of them. I comend the thought and did sign the petition, as I said I have done similar things in the past and understand the sentiment. But I just wouldn't urge you to get your hopes up. I know how frustrating it is when you want to change something you care about and can't do a thing. You just have to trust that better things are on their way down the line. Only way you grow as a person.
That is true what you are saying about Thomas going into CGI back in 2008, but the key with Bachmann is that the items that they have discontinued can be brought back at a later date if enough people want them. Face it, they are not going to do it just for one person!