Well, here are the five cars I have painted so far. Decided to get the Kato observation. Have cleared one of the cars, been too humid around here to do the rest. Painted the stripes, but I think the bottom stripes came out too thick. The upper stripe on the baggage was freehanded which is why it is uneven in places. Figure I will repaint if and when more accurate markings for these come out. Besides, the paint I mixed for the red has set up. I have the worst time trying to save paint once I mix it. Let me know what you think. Sully
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They look awsome! Very nice work!
It is fun imagining riding on a great train like that! Speeding down the tracks watching the countryside go by with nothing to be concerned about but to sit back, relax, dream and enjoy. To be surrounded by the sights and sounds of the railroad.
Some time soon I will need to start doing some painting....
Nice work!
Charles
Thanks all. Have had a blast on these so far. Just wish that someone would do the correct decals. Sully
It looks like you did a good job with these.
I had thought that MicroScale did make decals for these; perhaps they discontinued them; MicroScale did discontinue a large number of decal sets recently.
For those of you who can hold your collective breath until Samhain/Toussaint, Walthers has announced that Con-Cor is bringing back the Rivarossi heavyweight cars. N&W is one of the roadnames listed.
The Js did pull HWs as well as streamlined cars.
Broke,
the MicroScale N&W passenger decals are really way off (ie incorrect), and as a bonus MS discontinued them.
As for Concor, I hope they do a better job painting and lettering them than they have done in the past ... >:(
Mark
As for the RR/Concor cars, it appears this may be the Last Run for them. Get them while you can. With RR out of business & ConCor retiring & slowing down, your only other choice may be when Walthers or MicroTrains gets around to having enough new cars to have a train.
BTW you should run down to your Hallmark store & get some Lionel American Freedom Train ornaments. The cars are very useable for Zscale with a little work. $12.50 for the cars is a nice price. $18.00 for the PA is OK, too. (I dont think the cars are exclusive to Hallmark. They should be available very soon at Walgreen's, Kohl's & other stores that carry Hallmark ornaments.)
Quote from: GlennW on August 23, 2007, 08:35:29 PM
As for the RR/Concor cars, it appears this may be the Last Run for them. Get them while you can. With RR out of business & ConCor retiring & slowing down, your only other choice may be when Walthers or MicroTrains gets around to having enough new cars to have a train.
The cars Concor uses for their smoothside trains is Concor tooling not Rivarossi. Concor tooled them up back in the 1970s. So no worries there. Concor is not closing, they are still in business.
The RR/Concor cars I was referring to appear to be the heavyweights. The RR/ConCor corrugated sided may already be gone. It's true, there may be more Concor smoothsides & Budd cars made in the future.
Quote from: GlennW on August 26, 2007, 02:39:03 PM
The RR/Concor cars I was referring to appear to be the heavyweights. The RR/ConCor corrugated sided may already be gone. It's true, there may be more Concor smoothsides & Budd cars made in the future.
I don't know who is responsible for the moldwork, but Model Power still shows heavyweights in their lineup:
http://www.modelpower.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=205&Page=1 (http://www.modelpower.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=205&Page=1)
<sarcasm>Notice the excellent way the roof fits on the body</sarcasm>
Mike
Oh hell, that model is ancient. My great-grandfather's kindergarten teacher had one when he was a kid.... ;D ;D
You ought to see the rolling characteristics of that 6-axle truck!!! you can put it on a 20% grade and it won't move! Remember, bad tooling never dies, it just gets sold to somebody else.
Franz T
Thanks, I had that impression...
Charles
The MP cars are based on PRR cars. The colors are pretty good for the PRR cars, but the lettering font is incorrect.
N&W painted their passenger cars a red similar to that of the PRR . As the PRR controlled the N&W for some time, some of the PRR cars may have run on the N&W and may even have been sold to it, but a N&W modeller or an SPF would know more about that than I do.
If you are good with an eraser, perhaps you could erase the PRR lettering and replace with N&W, assuming that you can find the MicroScale sheet, which MicroScale has discontinued. Still, some dealers or vendors may have one as NOS.
I replaced the trucks on all of my MP and RR cars with MT trucks. MT does sell both four and six wheel passenger trucks. The replacement is not difficult.
Over the years, both MP and Lima have sold these cars with different road names. Originally, they were Lima cars. Lima sold them in Reading Company and C&O. MP has sold them with Southern, NYC, ATSF, AMTRAK and PRR schemes. The colors on the NYC are incorrect as is the lettering font. The Southerns are in the Virginia Green scheme. As I recall, AMTRAK did not have very many HW cars, even in 1971.
The majority of the RR cars are based on ATSF prototypes.
The major complaint about the RR and MP/Lima cars is that they lack steps. The manufacturers omitted them to permit their operation on nine and three quarter curves. The B-mann shorties at least have some attempt at representing steps. The B-mann shorties would look rather silly behind a J, so I would not paint them in N&W.
EDITORIAL NOTE: Walthers is showing individual N&W smoothside cars as in stock. It also shows a Norfolk Southern smoothside set (that would work for a 611 excursion train for you modellers of more modern periods). It does show some N&W HWs as well. Type 223 into the search box and start going through the pages.
How do know all this stuff. You like some kind of ginius. :o
Quote from: brokemoto on August 28, 2007, 08:46:17 PM
If you are good with an eraser, perhaps you could erase the PRR lettering and replace with N&W, assuming that you can find the MicroScale sheet, which MicroScale has discontinued. Still, some dealers or vendors may have one as NOS.
Avoid the Microscale N&W passenger car decals - they are HORRENDOUS.
Accurate ones are coming late this year from an excellent decal company.
Quote from: brokemoto on August 28, 2007, 08:46:17 PM
N&W painted their passenger cars a red similar to that of the PRR . As the PRR controlled the N&W for some time, some of the PRR cars may have run on the N&W and may even have been sold to it, but a N&W modeller or an SPF would know more about that than I do.
N&W red is "brighter" than PRR red. Similar though, especially when "aged". PRR did not "control" N&W, N&W did things as they saw fit. N&W and PRR did run some joint trains, where certain equipment was pooled.
N&W did purchase some ex-PRR passenger cars in the 1930s and refurbished them for their own use. Also, N&W had built head end cars virtually to the same design as the PRR B60.
Quote from: Williamson on August 29, 2007, 12:11:18 PM
Quote from: brokemoto on August 28, 2007, 08:46:17 PM
N&W painted their passenger cars a red similar to that of the PRR . As the PRR controlled the N&W for some time
N&W red is "brighter" than PRR red. Similar though, especially when "aged". PRR did not "control" N&W, N&W did things as they saw fit.
I added the emphasis to 'similar' from my original post.
PRR, or whatever its holding company was, owned a majority of the N&W stock for some time. Anyone or any entity that owns a majority of the stock names the Board of Directors, which gives same effective control.
Operationally, yes, controlled entities will often do things as the mid-level and junior management sees fit, and, as long as the dividends keep coming, the controller will allow this to continue.
This was also the case with the P&LE. Yes, there were NYC signs all over the property, and 230 Park Avenue did begrudgingly avoid micromanaging, but when things did not work well (as in the case of the H-8s), or the dividends stopped coming (as they did in the few years right after the Second War), 230 Park Avenue did get involved.
As I understand it, things did not go as badly in Roanoake and Hampton Roads as they did in Pittsburgh, so Philadelphia was happy to let things well enough alone, as opposed to what 230 Park Avenue thought necessary.
PRR did get a little more involved when it controlled the B&O from the very late nineteenth century until the very early twentieth, but even then , Philacelphia's micromanaging was mostly limited to the acquisition of some new power that turned out to be copies of PRR designs. This makes sense as it wipes out development costs and even saves on construction costs, as the tooling and processes for the construction of existing designs are already in place. Lower costs mean larger dividends; very important.
Quote from: brokemoto on August 30, 2007, 11:04:19 AM
PRR, or whatever its holding company was, owned a majority of the N&W stock for some time. Anyone or any entity that owns a majority of the stock names the Board of Directors, which gives same effective control.
Majority? No. About a third (over 30%). ;)
N&W operated autonomously.
Man talk about an off topic.
Anyways,Sully your cars look great!They look really close to a set of original con-cor cars.You should be proud!