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Title: 440 Seems small
Post by: mickeykelley on February 22, 2013, 01:45:04 PM
I was just looking at and comparing several of my Bachmann engines and the Spectrum 440 seems  kind of small.  The cabin area for example does not look like the regular Bachmann figures would even fit in there.  I know in real life it's really smaller than newer engines like the 280, Shay, etc.
Title: Re: 440 Seems small
Post by: Ted Yarbrough on February 22, 2013, 04:33:29 PM
Mickey,
Find a video or two of the Eureka & Pallisades loco #4 running at Durango (likely on u-tube, but several commercial ones available). It is a SMALL loco and cab. I did find a better engineer and fireman figure at a train show. Love the loco!
Happy Rails To You,
Ted
Title: Re: 440 Seems small
Post by: Loco Bill Canelos on February 22, 2013, 05:05:10 PM
The movies of it operating on the D&S are amazing in that the loco is so unbelievably small.  I believe it was rated to pull only one car on the D&S grades!!!
Title: Re: 440 Seems small
Post by: Joe Zullo on February 22, 2013, 05:52:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G5Y8Jyf6Ng

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=t8Z0mMsNMLg&feature=endscreen
Title: Re: 440 Seems small
Post by: Kevin Strong on February 22, 2013, 09:00:27 PM
Narrow gauge locos built circa 1870s were not large locos by any means. Here's a photo of a model of a c. 1872 Baldwin 2-6-0 next to a K-27.

(http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/eastbroadtop/EBT1/EBT112.jpg)

The early-style cabs were not designed for standing upright inside. The fireman stood on the apron/tender, which was tall enough (barely) for him to shovel and not hit his head. The engineer sat in the cab, often with not a of legroom.

(http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/eastbroadtop/EBT1/EBT106.jpg)

Here's a good look at what the floor would have looked like. There would have been a seat on the side of the cab that would allow the engineer to not have to sit right on the wood, but it wouldn't have been more than 12" or so above, much like the front seat of a car.

(http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/eastbroadtop/EBT3/EBT309.jpg)

This is a different loco with a slightly taller cab, but shows the lack of headroom for the fireman. (That figure stands about 5' 6"). The engineer is sitting on the windowsill instead of a seat--also a common position for engineers, if not exactly OSHA compliant.

Later,

K
Title: Re: 440 Seems small
Post by: mickeykelley on February 22, 2013, 10:10:20 PM
It just seems so small compared to the others that it doesn't look scale, the cab that is.  But obviously it is. Thanks for replies.
Title: Re: 440 Seems small
Post by: Sleeping Bear on February 23, 2013, 01:28:19 PM
For those of you into the 4-4-0...here is something you may be interested in... http://www.leviathan63.com/

Later All.....S.B.
Title: Re: 440 Seems small
Post by: Loco Bill Canelos on February 23, 2013, 02:51:11 PM
Thanks Gerry,  Nice video.  Even the Standard Gauge 4-4-0's are dwarfed by those big passenger cars.