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Title: MOW/Work Train Project
Post by: jonathan on March 17, 2013, 08:48:32 AM
Folks,

Here's an ongoing project, that's been fun, and frustrating at the same time:

I'm building a Work Train, featuring a wreck crane and how the whole train might have been configured, if sent on a real emergency.

First, the locomotive.  This is yet another modified Consolidation.  Did you know, over 33,000 2-8-0s were built across the US?  Making it the most prolific loco of the steam era.  Is it any wonder we love them so much?  I can't say enough positives that the Bachmann folks built one so well...

(http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu146/jsnvogel/Projects/DSCN1721-1_zps40d389bb.jpg)

(http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu146/jsnvogel/Projects/DSCN1722_zpse8068a6d.jpg)

Next is the crane.  The crane went behind the locomotive, in order to borrow water, coal or oil, from the loco tender, if necessary.  As a rule the crane never had it's own tender. This is a Rocco (sp), I picked up at an estate sale for $3.  There was an actual prototype for this crane, though the Rocco folks took a few liberties.  All I did was change out the wheels and couplers.  Works for me...

Could use some detailing I suppose...
(http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu146/jsnvogel/Projects/DSCN1723-1_zpsafacda8b.jpg)

Now, the real railroads used either a flat car, or gondola, to support the crane boom and carry whatever extra supplies were needed for the job...

(http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu146/jsnvogel/Projects/DSCN1724-1_zps2e8b5226.jpg)

Finally, there would have been some sort of support car to carry the work crew, tools, and whatever else was needed.  The B&O, being super efficient, converted a number of retired passenger cars for camp cars, tool cars, etc.  I did the same. This in an old Athearn passenger car.  I cut off the ends and made vestibules, among other little details.  It's based on an a prototype, although, I didn't follow it to the letter...

(http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu146/jsnvogel/Projects/DSCN1726-1_zps7e9af9cc.jpg)

Now the fantasy, and frustrating, part of the project.

Doesn't matter what scale you model, we've all seen the "crane tender work caboose".  Wonderful looking car, They sell like hotcakes.  They were developed by the post-war Lionel folks, as part of their tinplate/toy collection.  Everybody loved 'em.  The other scales copied 'em.  Marvelous.  Only problem is they never actually existed.  I've been searching and searching for a prototype. There's a website, thortrains or something, that discusses, in length, the model history of this car, and the lack of a prototype.

I didn't care.  I built one, too.  They are so neat. There just had to be a prototype somewhere.  Anyway, here's mine.  Along with the superdetailing, there is added weight inside the tool boxes and cab.  The barrels are metal.  I wanted this to be extra heavy, so it could guide the boom around the layout:

(http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu146/jsnvogel/Projects/DSCN1720_zpsfe8c2374.jpg)

(http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu146/jsnvogel/Projects/DSCN1718-1_zpse5f7ab9c.jpg)

(http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu146/jsnvogel/Projects/DSCN1713-1_zpscabf47c9.jpg)

(http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu146/jsnvogel/Projects/DSCN1712-1_zpse9fa22fb.jpg)

(http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu146/jsnvogel/Projects/DSCN1711-1_zps9576e042.jpg)

(http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu146/jsnvogel/Projects/DSCN1710-1_zpsbc2c7b5e.jpg)

So... what's the other problem with the car?  Always take a few measurements, BEFORE you start building...









(http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu146/jsnvogel/Projects/DSCN1728-1_zpsd78ce2a9.jpg)

Regards,

Jonathan
Title: Re: MOW/Work Train Project
Post by: Jerrys HO on March 17, 2013, 09:48:58 AM
jonathan

I made a rubber stamp for your projects.
WOWWWWWWW!!!!!!

Seriously you are one of the greatest modelers and I put you in or above the level of the late,great John Allen.

Remember the old Home Depot commercial measure twice cut once.
Only thing I think of if you have not is to make that flat car a stretched flat car.(like they do with limo's) or raise the boom holder. I like to think you would stretch the car... ;D

Thanks for all the project inspirations you give us.
Jerry
Title: Re: MOW/Work Train Project
Post by: jonathan on March 17, 2013, 01:25:33 PM
Jerry,  thanks, you are too kind.  I don't feel like a great modeler.  Just having some fun playing with trains.  :)

Regards,

Jonathan
Title: Re: MOW/Work Train Project
Post by: BaltoOhioRRfan on March 17, 2013, 01:36:40 PM
That's all you got? haha jk jk

Where you get the White Logos and all? I only know of Champ but they are out of business now and I only have a hand full left, would like to get more so when I can get a Bachamann NE Caboose undec I can do one in B&O I think I may have enough for that one but when that's done, i'm SOL

my B&O MOW Train consists of:

OLD Time Baggage Car, Snow Plow, and a Camp Car(all custom painted), 250 ton Crane, 2 RPOs(one to be repainted into revenue service), 2 Baggage(one to be painted into Revenue Service), Derrick Car, Tank Car, Gondola, Boom CAboose(all Athearn)

I got some C&O Stuff too, the Athearn 4 car pack and Bachmanns Crane/caboose. Anyone know where I can get white C&O Lettering to put on the caboose? or maybe the C&O For PRogress logo in white.
Title: Re: MOW/Work Train Project
Post by: jonathan on March 17, 2013, 01:56:35 PM
Recently, on ebay, somebody has been selling Champ B&O box car decals, with free shipping... very reasonable.  I picked up a couple sets.  There are other ways to get the B&O logos at reasonable rates.

Regards

Jonathan
Title: Re: MOW/Work Train Project
Post by: BaltoOhioRRfan on March 17, 2013, 02:20:49 PM
Never thought to get the box car decals or any of the freight cars.....I wish Microscale would put out some B&O Freight decals or even better Caboose decals. that's one of the thing us B&O Fans really are without is a decent model caboose at an affordable price, Bachmanns NE6 would be a good one, while not correct as long as it looks close i'll run it.
Title: Re: MOW/Work Train Project
Post by: jonathan on June 23, 2013, 02:33:28 PM
OK, solved the crane problem.  I found a 120-ton crane kit.  Difficult to build, but the detail is nice, and the boom fits on the boom car.  Even better, the B&O actually had several of these (Brownhoist?) cranes.  

(http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu146/jsnvogel/Projects/DSCN2324_zps7f132276.jpg) (http://s642.photobucket.com/user/jsnvogel/media/Projects/DSCN2324_zps7f132276.jpg.html)

Here are a few close ups to get an idea of the many tiny parts:

(http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu146/jsnvogel/Projects/DSCN2325_zpse53fcbcf.jpg) (http://s642.photobucket.com/user/jsnvogel/media/Projects/DSCN2325_zpse53fcbcf.jpg.html)

(http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu146/jsnvogel/Projects/DSCN2320_zps94e264d3.jpg) (http://s642.photobucket.com/user/jsnvogel/media/Projects/DSCN2320_zps94e264d3.jpg.html)

(http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu146/jsnvogel/Projects/DSCN2321_zps194b7857.jpg) (http://s642.photobucket.com/user/jsnvogel/media/Projects/DSCN2321_zps194b7857.jpg.html)

(http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu146/jsnvogel/Projects/DSCN2333_zps14057640.jpg) (http://s642.photobucket.com/user/jsnvogel/media/Projects/DSCN2333_zps14057640.jpg.html)

(http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu146/jsnvogel/Projects/DSCN2322_zpsb03aaa41.jpg) (http://s642.photobucket.com/user/jsnvogel/media/Projects/DSCN2322_zpsb03aaa41.jpg.html)

The included thread was too thick, so I got some "Fine" Silk thread from a fabric store to rig the tension rods.  I am comfortable with my masculinity, so I survived the trip to my wife's favorite store.  ;D

 (http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu146/jsnvogel/Projects/DSCN2332_zps190fa57c.jpg) (http://s642.photobucket.com/user/jsnvogel/media/Projects/DSCN2332_zps190fa57c.jpg.html)

Sooooooo.... my question is...

I want to include some canvas curtains, which were installed on many of these cranes.  I've put in some brackets/rods:

(http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu146/jsnvogel/Projects/DSCN2316_zps1066308a.jpg) (http://s642.photobucket.com/user/jsnvogel/media/Projects/DSCN2316_zps1066308a.jpg.html)

(http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu146/jsnvogel/Projects/DSCN2317_zps1f3f1813.jpg) (http://s642.photobucket.com/user/jsnvogel/media/Projects/DSCN2317_zps1f3f1813.jpg.html)

What do I use for the curtains?  I was thinking of plain white paper; folded up and painted.  Was hoping someone has tried making HO Scale curtains in the past.  Thanks for looking.

Regards,

Jonathan
Title: Re: MOW/Work Train Project
Post by: electrical whiz kid on June 23, 2013, 03:57:06 PM
H, Jonathan;
GREAT WORK!!!  On the cable:  The late Lee Vandevise came up with a way to have scale looking wire rope (that is its proper name) and avoid the sags and wildness commonly associated with thread, as well as the tedious job it takes to do what you did.  He used brass (I use phosphor bronze) wire to simulate any kind of wire rope application on a model.  Take a set of dividers and set it for the distance you need, and cut it.  I usually stick mine in a "blacken it" solution to achieve the weathered look of this equipment.

Rich C.
Title: Re: MOW/Work Train Project
Post by: AGSB on June 23, 2013, 07:52:37 PM
I have read articles in which modellers have used used tea bags for curtains on engine cabs. Don't know if they would be large enough for this application, but you could install them tied back.
Title: Re: MOW/Work Train Project
Post by: J3a-614 on June 23, 2013, 08:40:29 PM
Oh, a classic, the Gould Company/Tichy Train Group (Gould Company successor) 120-ton Industrial Brownhoist wrecker, a beautiful kit that was notable, when it came out, for having a bunch of parts (as you've noticed) with minimal flash and trimming necessary (a revelation at the time--this was when Athearn's Blue Box kits were the standard).  I should know, I've got one, lettered for C&O of course.

I actually got to see one rerailing derailed hoppers outside Triadelphia, W.Va. (near Wheeling) on the now abandoned line between Wheeling and Washington, Pa.  Besides seeing that smoking wrecker--and one of those will outsmoke most steam locomotives--the event was notable in that one of the diesels assigned to the wreck train that day was the famous gold GM50, a GP-40-2 in a special paint scheme to celebrate the 50th anniversary of EMD. 

I might mention that another wrecker that's accurate for the B&O is the Athearn job.  This one represents a 250-ton Industrial Brownhoist, and also represents a steam wrecker, too (some other models represent diesel or diesel-conversion wreckers).  I remember seeing one in Brunswick, Md., in the early 1980, complete with its support train that included several heavyweight passenger cars, one an open-platform observation car.  How I wish I had the money to buy all that stuff (and  more that was around then) to start a museum and excursion road! 

Classic work, of course. . .representing the distinctive equipment of a classic road. . .
Title: Re: MOW/Work Train Project
Post by: jonathan on June 24, 2013, 04:43:37 AM
Thanks, guys.

I like the stiff wire idea to represent the wire rope.  I suppose it would take something in the .008" to .010" range... Pretty thin stuff.  I think the 'E' Strings on my guitars were .009".

Tea bags! What a great idea.  I'll have to check around to see if we have any.  I'm a coffee drinker.

Experimented a little this morning.  I accordian-folded three little pieces of standard copier paper and sprayed a little primer on them... along with drilling a #78 hole through the top edges.  I was going to try a little creamy white dry brush to finish them off:

(http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu146/jsnvogel/Projects/DSCN2334_zpsaef0b11a.jpg) (http://s642.photobucket.com/user/jsnvogel/media/Projects/DSCN2334_zpsaef0b11a.jpg.html)

(http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu146/jsnvogel/Projects/DSCN2338_zps13b90589.jpg) (http://s642.photobucket.com/user/jsnvogel/media/Projects/DSCN2338_zps13b90589.jpg.html)

J3a, how I wish I had gotten to see some of those sites as a kid. 

This kit is proving to be quite the challenge.

Regards,

Jonathan
Title: Re: MOW/Work Train Project
Post by: Doneldon on June 24, 2013, 05:20:59 PM
jonathan-

I've used nylon hosiery for curtains and drapes in both locomotives and structure windows. You can paint them any color, they hold
paint like a pit bull and you can make them "drape" just like the real cloth they are. And one leg purloined from a spouse's drawer or
saved from the wastebasket after a run, provides enough material for scale acres of fabric.
                                                                                                                                       -- D
Title: Re: MOW/Work Train Project
Post by: jonathan on June 25, 2013, 06:57:51 AM
Another great idea!  Thanks, Doneldon.  Hope my wife thinks so, too.   ;D

If the hosiery works well, I will start adding curtains to all my steamers and replace the crane drapes as well. 

I left the rods press fit, just a little paint holds them in.  For now my paper curtains will have to do:

(http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu146/jsnvogel/Projects/DSCN2341_zps30ad4517.jpg) (http://s642.photobucket.com/user/jsnvogel/media/Projects/DSCN2341_zps30ad4517.jpg.html)

(http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu146/jsnvogel/Projects/DSCN2342_zpsca128d02.jpg) (http://s642.photobucket.com/user/jsnvogel/media/Projects/DSCN2342_zpsca128d02.jpg.html)

The decals are still drying out from the Microsol, so I can't weather the base, yet.  However, here's a few preliminary shots of the crane:

(http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu146/jsnvogel/Projects/DSCN2354_zpsf347c2ca.jpg) (http://s642.photobucket.com/user/jsnvogel/media/Projects/DSCN2354_zpsf347c2ca.jpg.html)

(http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu146/jsnvogel/Projects/DSCN2358_zps9601edf8.jpg) (http://s642.photobucket.com/user/jsnvogel/media/Projects/DSCN2358_zps9601edf8.jpg.html)

(http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu146/jsnvogel/Projects/DSCN2363_zpsdf2179a4.jpg) (http://s642.photobucket.com/user/jsnvogel/media/Projects/DSCN2363_zpsdf2179a4.jpg.html)

(http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu146/jsnvogel/Projects/DSCN2365_zps7cb48643.jpg) (http://s642.photobucket.com/user/jsnvogel/media/Projects/DSCN2365_zps7cb48643.jpg.html)

I had to make do with the decals I had on hand.  The "AND" should be spelled out, and my build date is incorrect. But, it will be hard to see after the weathering.

This is going to be the icing on the cake for my MOW train.  Can't wait to take the train to Timonium to run it at the fall train show.

Regards,

Jonathan
Title: Re: MOW/Work Train Project
Post by: jonathan on June 26, 2013, 07:06:31 AM
That's more like it:

(http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu146/jsnvogel/Rolling%20Stock/DSCN2366_zps3d33793b.jpg) (http://s642.photobucket.com/user/jsnvogel/media/Rolling%20Stock/DSCN2366_zps3d33793b.jpg.html)

(http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu146/jsnvogel/Rolling%20Stock/DSCN2368_zpsb95f8d20.jpg) (http://s642.photobucket.com/user/jsnvogel/media/Rolling%20Stock/DSCN2368_zpsb95f8d20.jpg.html)

(http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu146/jsnvogel/Rolling%20Stock/DSCN2370_zpse5432d8d.jpg) (http://s642.photobucket.com/user/jsnvogel/media/Rolling%20Stock/DSCN2370_zpse5432d8d.jpg.html)

(http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu146/jsnvogel/Rolling%20Stock/DSCN2372_zps337d4a21.jpg) (http://s642.photobucket.com/user/jsnvogel/media/Rolling%20Stock/DSCN2372_zps337d4a21.jpg.html)

(http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu146/jsnvogel/Rolling%20Stock/DSCN2375_zpsf9cdb947.jpg) (http://s642.photobucket.com/user/jsnvogel/media/Rolling%20Stock/DSCN2375_zpsf9cdb947.jpg.html)

(http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu146/jsnvogel/Rolling%20Stock/DSCN2380_zps59699684.jpg) (http://s642.photobucket.com/user/jsnvogel/media/Rolling%20Stock/DSCN2380_zps59699684.jpg.html)

(http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu146/jsnvogel/Rolling%20Stock/DSCN2382_zps98b790fd.jpg) (http://s642.photobucket.com/user/jsnvogel/media/Rolling%20Stock/DSCN2382_zps98b790fd.jpg.html)

(http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu146/jsnvogel/Rolling%20Stock/DSCN2384_zps98b70286.jpg) (http://s642.photobucket.com/user/jsnvogel/media/Rolling%20Stock/DSCN2384_zps98b70286.jpg.html)

My next project:  raiding my wife's sock drawer for curtain material.   ;D

Regards,

Jonathan
Title: Re: MOW/Work Train Project
Post by: Thomas1911 on June 26, 2013, 09:46:56 AM
Looks great, Jonathan.  I may have to pick up one of those kits and give it a try.
Title: Re: MOW/Work Train Project
Post by: jonathan on June 26, 2013, 10:17:53 AM
Thanks, very much, Thomas.

One word of warning.  A couple of the steps are unclear, in both the description and/or the diagram.  As a result, I may have installed the boom pulleys upside down.  I don't know for sure, as my prototype photographs were fuzzy and didn't show the boom detail clearly.  The bar that runs across the pulley mechanism is probably suppose to go underneath, so the mechanism can rest on that bar when the boom is lowered completely.

My other two wreck cranes have bars across both the bottom and top of the pulley mechanism.

Could be labeled under the "DOH!" category.  The little plastic parts are too delicate for me to attempt to pull them apart and turn the mechanism over... not to mention re-rigging the rope wire.

Regards,

Jonathan

Addendum

I made this car quite heavy, for good tracking.  The base cavity is completely filled with lead shot, small sinkers and epoxy.  I considered adding weight to the cab, but thought better of it... need to keep the center of gravity low.  This also helps sturdy the draft gear boxes.  You'll see what I mean if you decide to build this kit.
Title: Re: MOW/Work Train Project
Post by: ebtnut on June 26, 2013, 02:37:24 PM
Great stuff as always, Jonathon.  Hope to see the real thing in October.  Missed this past weekend's Timonium show - was photographing the new "old" 4-4-0 up in New Freedome, PA.  Lucky to get there early enough to shoot the first trip, since the loco developed a problem in the valve gear on the way back and was sidelined for the rest of the weekend (sounds familiar, doesn't it? ;)
Title: Re: MOW/Work Train Project
Post by: Doneldon on June 26, 2013, 03:18:07 PM
jonathan-

You amaze me time after time. Not only are those great looking models, your weathering looks just like the old wrecker trains
looked. Well, except for one thng, maybe. Your drapes on the crane are far too clean and there aren't any tattered shreds hanging
from the hems. Or maybe the old drapes were so bad the BaltO finally had to buy some new ones?
                                                                                                                                                   -- D
Title: Re: MOW/Work Train Project
Post by: jonathan on June 27, 2013, 06:39:42 AM
Thanks, ebtnut. Hopefully, we'll cross paths at Timonium this Fall.  Been following the 4-4-0 thread.  Hope to see it in person one of these days.

Thanks, too, Doneldon.  "New Drapes"... Yeah, that's what happened.  ;)   Although, the B&O was such an 'always cash strapped' railroad, don't know if they could afford new drapes.

The weathering was just a mist of Grimy Black over the subassemblies, followed by dry-brushing a little Rail Brown and Mud after the car was built.

Whilst I try to yoink some stockings from my wife, I'll work on the layout skirting for a while.  Snagged some cheap fabric while I was buying thread.  I can't sew, but Stitch Witchery seems to work for the layout.

Ahem... think I need to go out and toss the football around with my son for a while.  ;D

Regards,

Jonathan 
Title: Re: MOW/Work Train Project
Post by: andrewd on August 03, 2013, 07:42:40 AM
does the crane really operate like can it lift and lower and spin???? and what amount of weight can it lift if it can lift
Title: Re: MOW/Work Train Project
Post by: Jerrys HO on August 03, 2013, 08:39:08 AM
most of the MOW crane cars are manually operated. it is possible to motorize one as I have seen them on you tube and I believe someone posted one here too.
as for how much it can lift, as much as the thread can hold without popping or until you flip the car over, which ever come's first. I would expect it wouldn't take much though as these were meant to be more for looks than operating otherwise I think they would have an option to motorize them. just my thoughts.

Jerry
Title: Re: MOW/Work Train Project
Post by: andrewd on August 03, 2013, 09:39:28 AM
what about if you ad stabilizer legs to the crane do you think that will allow it to lift a lot depending on what the legs are made of plastic maybe a 2-8-0 or an 0-6-0 cardboard a boxcar at the most
Title: Re: MOW/Work Train Project
Post by: Doneldon on August 03, 2013, 06:12:26 PM
Quote from: andrewd on August 03, 2013, 09:39:28 AM
what about if you ad stabilizer legs to the crane do you think that will allow it to lift a lot depending on what the legs are made of plastic maybe a 2-8-0 or an 0-6-0 cardboard a boxcar at the most

Andrew-

I would expect that stabilizing legs would increase a crane's capacity a good deal. They would add mass, making the crane less likely to pull itself over. How effective this would be is largely a matter of the weight of the stabilizers; metal ones would have a greater effect than plastic ones. A stabilizer between the crane and load would shift the bulk of the load to that point and allow you to lift right up to the breaking point of your cable (thread). And that cable can be very strong if it's synthetic or silk. Of course, a stabilizer between the crane and load can be difficult to use because there will typically by limited space to put one between the crane and load. Stabilizers to the sides of the plane of the crane's boom and cable would help with side-to-side motion as well as adding mass. A stabilizer behind and in the same plane as the crane's boom and cable would amplify the effects of its mass because it would have a great leveraging advantage.

Now, do you plan to hook electric motors into the crane so you can extend and swing its stabilizing legs or do you plan to use hydraulics for that?

                                                                                                                                                 -- D
Title: Re: MOW/Work Train Project
Post by: andrewd on August 03, 2013, 08:21:24 PM
I meant legs that hold the crane steady by pressing against the ground
Title: Re: MOW/Work Train Project
Post by: rogertra on August 03, 2013, 09:19:59 PM
Quote from: andrewd on August 03, 2013, 08:21:24 PM
I meant legs that hold the crane steady by pressing against the ground

Outriggers.


Title: Re: MOW/Work Train Project
Post by: Jerrys HO on August 03, 2013, 09:41:30 PM
Quote from: andrewd on August 03, 2013, 09:39:28 AM
what about if you ad stabilizer legs to the crane do you think that will allow it to lift a lot depending on what the legs are made of plastic maybe a 2-8-0 or an 0-6-0 cardboard a boxcar at the most

That sure would be asking a lot of a plastic crane to do. You would have to restring it with Gorilla or Spider fishing line, then I would take about a 6 inch wood screw and screw the car down to the track and benchwork and hope the plastic boom on the crane did not break.

Jerry
Title: Re: MOW/Work Train Project
Post by: Doneldon on August 04, 2013, 02:49:42 AM
Quote from: andrewd on August 03, 2013, 08:21:24 PM
I meant legs that hold the crane steady by pressing against the ground

Andrew-

Yes. I understood that.

                           -- D
Title: Re: MOW/Work Train Project
Post by: rogertra on August 04, 2013, 02:53:44 AM
Quote from: Doneldon on August 04, 2013, 02:49:42 AM
Quote from: andrewd on August 03, 2013, 08:21:24 PM
I meant legs that hold the crane steady by pressing against the ground

Andrew-

Yes. I understood that.

                           -- D


Andrew.  The extending legs are called "outriggers", see previous post.  If you use the correct name people will know what you are talking about, as Doneld now does.  BTW, sorry for typing "Donald", it's force of habit.  :(
Title: Re: MOW/Work Train Project
Post by: andrewd on August 04, 2013, 08:31:58 AM
oops sorry for the putting in the wrong word I knew they had another name but I couldn't remember what it was so are you goanna add outriggers to your crane
Title: Re: MOW/Work Train Project
Post by: Ken G Price on August 04, 2013, 05:37:58 PM
Sorry, but I have to nit pick here.

You do know that wreck cranes are not used by the MOW departments. They are used for clearing wrecks, then they get taken back to sit until the next time there are derailed engines or cars.

MOW would have at that time smaller donkey cranes, it a crane at all. Now a high rail with crane or a mobile road crane.

These nit picks, were brought to you by, Ned's Nit Pickers, Inc. ;D
Title: Re: MOW/Work Train Project
Post by: rogertra on August 04, 2013, 08:27:37 PM
Quote from: Ken G Price on August 04, 2013, 05:37:58 PM
Sorry, but I have to nit pick here.

You do know that wreck cranes are not used by the MOW departments. They are used for clearing wrecks, then they get taken back to sit until the next time there are derailed engines or cars.

MOW would have at that time smaller donkey cranes, it a crane at all. Now a high rail with crane or a mobile road crane.

These nit picks, were brought to you by, Ned's Nit Pickers, Inc. ;D

Right on!

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Title: Re: MOW/Work Train Project
Post by: Jerrys HO on August 04, 2013, 08:36:26 PM
Quote from: rogertra on August 04, 2013, 08:27:37 PM
Quote from: Ken G Price on August 04, 2013, 05:37:58 PM
Sorry, but I have to nit pick here.

You do know that wreck cranes are not used by the MOW departments. They are used for clearing wrecks, then they get taken back to sit until the next time there are derailed engines or cars.

MOW would have at that time smaller donkey cranes, it a crane at all. Now a high rail with crane or a mobile road crane.

These nit picks, were brought to you by, Ned's Nit Pickers, Inc. ;D

Right on!

Supported by: -

Nit-Pickers Unite Inc.



Is there any memberships left available or have they all been filled? What skills do I need or am I over qualified? ::) ;D

Jerry

Title: Re: MOW/Work Train Project
Post by: rogertra on August 04, 2013, 08:47:43 PM
Quote from: Jerrys HO on August 04, 2013, 08:36:26 PM
Quote from: rogertra on August 04, 2013, 08:27:37 PM
Quote from: Ken G Price on August 04, 2013, 05:37:58 PM
Sorry, but I have to nit pick here.

You do know that wreck cranes are not used by the MOW departments. They are used for clearing wrecks, then they get taken back to sit until the next time there are derailed engines or cars.

MOW would have at that time smaller donkey cranes, it a crane at all. Now a high rail with crane or a mobile road crane.

These nit picks, were brought to you by, Ned's Nit Pickers, Inc. ;D

Right on!

Supported by: -

Nit-Pickers Unite Inc.



Is there any memberships left available or have they all been filled? What skills do I need or am I over qualified? ::) ;D

Jerry


Don't worry Jerry, your membership card is in the mail.  Welcome aboard.
Title: Re: MOW/Work Train Project
Post by: Doneldon on August 05, 2013, 12:52:29 AM
Quote from: Jerrys HO on August 04, 2013, 08:36:26 PM
Is there any memberships left available or have they all been filled? What skills do I need or am I over qualified? ::) ;D

Jerry


Jerry-

I think membership is closed but I can pull some strings and get you in. My
wife has been the Honorary President for many years.

                                                                                          -- D
Title: Re: MOW/Work Train Project
Post by: jonathan on August 05, 2013, 06:25:31 AM
 ;D  Well, I guess I should have called this a "Wreck Train Project".  ;D

I got so excited about building a wreck crane I abandoned the other cars I had intended to build.

One day, I'll be knowledgeable enough to join the club.  For now, I'll live as one of the great unwashed hackers.  ;)

Regards,

Jonathan
Title: Re: MOW/Work Train Project
Post by: BaltoOhioRRfan on August 05, 2013, 11:09:17 AM
speaking of wreck cranes, i got an old athearn blue box in B&O, however the crane doesn't swivel freely at all and often derails on curves if i have the boom inside the boom support on the boom car. i tried lubing it and all and it still wont swivil freely enough. any suggestions
Title: Re: MOW/Work Train Project
Post by: Jerrys HO on August 05, 2013, 05:35:41 PM
Balto

My Bachmann did the same thing. I don't know if they are made different, but I took the crane assy. off and filed the hole just enough to get some of the tension off of the spindle but not enough to make it free spin, then I put a little greasem on it. It now rotates with the movement of the other car.

Jerry
Title: Re: MOW/Work Train Project
Post by: BaltoOhioRRfan on August 05, 2013, 07:37:35 PM
Quote from: Jerrys HO on August 05, 2013, 05:35:41 PM
Balto

My Bachmann did the same thing. I don't know if they are made different, but I took the crane assy. off and filed the hole just enough to get some of the tension off of the spindle but not enough to make it free spin, then I put a little greasem on it. It now rotates with the movement of the other car.

Jerry

hmm, never thought about that and now it seems so obvious haha. Thanks will try it when i finish this one project i'm working on. I might add some weight to the boom car as well.
Title: Re: MOW/Work Train Project
Post by: electrical whiz kid on August 06, 2013, 07:26:25 PM
Hi, Jonathan;
I have used tissue paper in the past to provide curtains for steamers, and any equipment that called for them.  Tissue works especially well, because it will conform (with a little convincing) to the need you may have.  It also takes stains well, which the prototype did accrue via being "on the road again".  Also, your guitar strings are OK, but they won't usually take a weathered finish that won't come off easily, which is why I use phosphor bronze.  (.009??!!!  Not so good for sustain-I use .011 1st, and flat wound, but then, I am pretty much a jazz player).
Rich C.
Title: Re: MOW/Work Train Project
Post by: Balrog21 on August 09, 2013, 12:26:06 PM
Saw this and had to post a pic, if you want more pics of this car just let me know..it's about 5 blocks from me just sitting there soaking up the sunshine on a daily basis.  ;D
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v197/balrog21/2013-08-05181628_zps3811d400.jpg)