What prototype was used for the Stearns Heisler?
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Quote from: RRPETE on April 13, 2013, 08:47:55 AM
What prototype was used for the Stearns Heisler?
Thanks.
I found this in a Internet search for bachmann stearns heisler prototype. Very easy to do.
http://www.micromark.com/bachmann-spectrum-on30-14-ton-2-truck-stearns-heisler-paintedandunlettered-black,10152.html
Rich
Thanks for your tip, Rich. I was hoping for a little more detail, though.
This model appears to have a vertical boiler inside the cab, but I haven't seen any pictures of other Heislers configured that way. That might explain why there's no steam dome, but also makes me wonder why there's no boiler vent in the cab roof. Any ideas, anyone?
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See http://www.gearedsteam.com/heisler/images/a_w_stevens_lbr_1-sn1007.jpg (http://www.gearedsteam.com/heisler/images/a_w_stevens_lbr_1-sn1007.jpg)
Hamish
Link as posted in my reply above only shows photo, this (the page before) gives a little information.
http://www.gearedsteam.com/heisler/images_Sp-Sz.htm (http://www.gearedsteam.com/heisler/images_Sp-Sz.htm)
Hamish
Quote from: RRPETE on April 13, 2013, 04:27:12 PM
Thanks for your tip, Rich. I was hoping for a little more detail, though.
This model appears to have a vertical boiler inside the cab, but I haven't seen any pictures of other Heislers configured that way. That might explain why there's no steam dome, but also makes me wonder why there's no boiler vent in the cab roof. Any ideas, anyone?
Thanks.
What would a boiler vent in the cab roof look like?
Here's something else to wonder about; how did they put water in the tank part of the bunker? Most pictures show a water hatch on the back deck, but this is not seen on the model.
Bill in FtL
Thanks for the photo and detail reference, Hamish. Also, good question about water, Railtwister. I'd think with the boiler in the cab, there would be a way to vent a pop-off valve through the roof.
The Bachman model is almost a dead ringer for the A. W. Stevens Lumber #1. Other than the curvature of the running boards, and the length of the bridge pipe between the steam feeder pipes, I don't see much difference.
boiler in the cab?
Are people confusing a vertical boiler, as used on the early climaxes with a T boiler, as on the B'mann on30 shay?
Hello,
at the model it looks like a vertikal boiler in the cab. There is the motor in it.
Railexpert
I am no expert on the Heisler and since no one has offered any explanation.I think the steam dome is in the cab.
Another question was ask about how to water up the beast. Most small logging engines burned either cut wood or slab wood from the mill and it was piled high,just look at any of the Sumpter Valley engines.
The wood was piled on top the water hatch since wood burns at a faster rate than coal.
The stack on the Stearns Heisler looks to be a wood stack anyway and the fence around the tender indicates it was shipped for wood burning.
My two cents
Royce
Thanks, Royce. I'd think a vertical boiler is its own steam dome, right? I think that's a good possibility for the lack of a water hatch. Also makes it more of a shame that Bachmann has quit including the firewood loads they used to. Now I have to make my own and glue them over the coal. Oh, well, that's what modeling is supposed to be about anyway, I guess. At least, the real wood looks better than what Bachmann used to supply.
I have not seen the Stearns yet,I have one on order.I make my own wood loads as they look 100% better,just remember to rough up the wood and use stain and just experiment with it.
The tender has a water hatch just like any other steamer,the wood load would cover it.
Royce
Just to clarify: a vertical boiler has the firebox at the bottom, the boiler vertically above the firebox and the smokebox on top of that. This is an example of a vertical boiler locomotive. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaloner_(locomotive)
If you look at B'mann's On30 shay you'll see that like the Heisler it has no steam 'dome'.
Hello,
just to clarify:
We all speak about the vertical part of a "T" Boiler - not about a vertical boiler of a Welsh loco.
Railexpert ::)
The model represents a T-boiler style design, common for that time period. With a T boiler, the top of the "T" acts as the steam dome. Note in the photo of the prototype that the whistle and pops are ahead of the cab. It appears that they are mounted on the steam feed pipe from the boiler with a tee to feed both cylinders. Thus, no need for a cab top vent. Also, a lot of logging locomotives would syphon water direct from a pond or creek, either with an attachment to one of the injectors or with a separate syphon unit. The locos at Cass syphon water from a lineside tank car body on the way up to the top of Bald Knob. The tank car is fed by a stream flowing down the hillside.
This is the perfect engine for the small time logger.The Heisler was very popular with outfits that laid temporary tracks like some photos I have seen where they just laid track through small stream.A shay geared engine could not do this because the cylinders are mounted too low.They were also capable of faster speeds than a shay so if you need to push a snow plow you could.The Westside Lumber Company used a Heisler to push their snow plow.
Royce
Quote from: railexpert on April 15, 2013, 11:19:50 AM
Hello,
just to clarify:
We all speak about the vertical part of a "T" Boiler - not about a vertical boiler of a Welsh loco.
Railexpert ::)
Well, everyone seems to be saying that the Heisler has a vertical boiler and it doesn't. But as you didn't like a Welsh loco with a vertical boiler, here's an American one instead: http://www.victorianweb.org/cv/models/glanville/locos/2.html
a vertical boiler and a T boiler are completely different designs. What you keep referring to as the "vertical boiler" acts as the steam dome.
Here we are. vertical boiler, Tee boiler and straight boiler all on one page.
http://www.gearedsteam.com/climax/climax.htm
Now that vertical boiler engine would look nice with our On30.
Royce
That I will agree with.
Has to have a 'working' steam engine, though. So much better than a static lump of plastic and metal on an HO diesel chassis.
Even got a nice big 'box' for the decoder and speaker.