Although the GP30 was a start and the former K-line Rs3 is coming out in November/December time frame, I hope that Williams will come out with the following popular locosin demand for O gauge:
- GE 44tonner SCALE
- GE U33B/U36B
- EMD Gp40-2 Phase II
Don't get me wrong but I hope in the near future that Williams will Scale out their existing toy fleet of locos as well.
Your thoughts anyone?
Toys Rule!! ;D
Seems that everybody makes "scale" stuff and it is getting hard to find models of the type and quality made by Williams by Bachmann.
There is enough detail to not look toy-like and they run well.
Some also want a command control system and I think that would be a nice optional add-on feature.
My opinion.
As for other types of locos;a Mikado or Consolidation that would be larger than the ten wheeler and smaller
than the Berkshire and Hudson.
A Diesel switcher of some type is needed.
The choice of roadnames is up to the company.They should know what sells.
At the risk of annoying those hoping for yet another large six-axle road locomotive that requires O-72 curves, I'd like to put up my hand for a couple of smaller diesels that would appeal to high-rail modelers as well as those folks forced to make do with tight curves.
I would suggest a GE U-18B or a version of the Santa Fe (and subsequently many others) CF-7.
I'd like to see some GP series engines, from the GP-35 to the GP-60. How about in Pennsylvania based railroads; DL&W, Lehigh Valley, Reading Lines, Pennsylvania RR, or Reading & Northern.
Lee F.
I believe Most of the EMD GP series Locomotives have been done... many in nausea multiples and released nearly the same time by other manufacturers/importers.
Only a few such as the Gp40-2 phase II, SD45-2, SD60M [3 payne window cabs] and modified Gp7/9's with chopped noses and modern cabs are left for the marketplace to invest and reap a return on investment.
GE's seem to be neglected with many popular models in the Universal series, Dash-7 series and Dash 8 series have never been made.
There are a few ALCo models left that manufacturers have yet to release... C415, C636 that come to mind.
If you want Williams to make an engine for one or two smaller runs of proto-type diesels it may never happen. Williams wants to recoup the costs of a production run!
One of the administators on the website mentioned that unpainted engines don't sell that good, this surprises me but he has the sales figuires and not me, so he knows what will sell.
Lee F.
How about a CF-7!
Quote from: Srcjo on July 27, 2013, 02:28:30 PM
Toys Rule!! ;D
True but scale toys are nice too 8)
Quote from: Mister Lee on July 28, 2013, 10:04:18 AM
At the risk of annoying those hoping for yet another large six-axle road locomotive that requires O-72 curves, I'd like to put up my hand for a couple of smaller diesels that would appeal to high-rail modelers as well as those folks forced to make do with tight curves.
I would suggest a GE U-18B or a version of the Santa Fe (and subsequently many others) CF-7.
I'm with you. Not enough room on my layout for the longer engines. A new switcher model, a GP20 or RS11. And do those odd-looking F7's really still sell?
One thing I'd like to see corrected for all models is to stop using the barely-able-to-see headlight lamps. The fun of an affordable locomotive is offset by these kinds of shortcuts. And I have no intention of putting in my own, higher-voltage lamps or partaking in any of the extra work that is required for this. One of the joys of a Williams locomotive is being able to run it almost immediately without any upgrades and without spending the next six hours reading the manual to learn about the high-tech sound system.
I agree with you on that. I had a top of the line Railking train set that I eventually sold. Although very nice, I ust got tired of all of the sounds and added features that I did not use. I prefer simple affordable trains. WBB please keep it simple and affordable. I hope that WBB does not do away completely with the tru blast 2. Or even offer an old fashioned horn. My concern is that the TB2 will be permanently replaced with the more expensive true blast plus. :)
JP of Acton MA, USA writes,
WBB should do Plymouth Switchers, and Porter 0-4-0s, just like the ones that K-Line by Lionel produced
-JP
Quote from: stationmaster12 on August 19, 2013, 12:35:02 AM
Although very nice, I ust got tired of all of the sounds and added features that I did not use. I prefer simple affordable trains. WBB please keep it simple and affordable. I hope that WBB does not do away completely with the tru blast 2. Or even offer an old fashioned horn. My concern is that the TB2 will be permanently replaced with the more expensive true blast plus. :)
I hope the Williams line remains true to simple "post war style" operation, once "simple" engines are no longer made, I will no longer buy. My only "sound" locos, came in good trades, or as gifts, spend most of the time turned off, and are more a risk liability, than value, for me. I would rather see the electronics effort spent in class & marker lighting.
I have been wanting to ad an On30 line, and have been prepping for a while. The latest release coming in that scale, a Whitcomb diesel switcher, has me debating over selling the track and power. Seems its only available "decked out", and is twice the price I expected to see on a simple engine like this, even with good sound and dcc. If that's any indication of Williams O,s future?.... simple, Ill be back to strictly PW "stuff" collecting. Limits my choices, but it'll be cheaper and more reliable.
"Plymouths and Porters"? Lots of them already. "Just like K-line" Why request something already available elsewhere unless the others are really, really, awful? And they aren't. Next thing you know you have so many GG1s, F7s, PM 1225s, or Big Boys, all by different brands, it saturates the market and goes away again. While I don't like the price and it wasn't on my wish list, I got to hand it to Bachmann on that On30 Whitcomb, I mean who makes Whitcombs? No one! So they
will sell... :-\... to those who can afford it.
Just noticing and from talking to some of the "ear to the rail" types at the hobby shops I visit. Lionel has come out with some Conventional versions of Locomotives that were Legacy rigged originally. All the new tech-no stuff is great. There are programs coming out where you can run your trains from your I-Pad or Smart Phone.
If that brings more folks into the hobby GREAT !!! I always will appreciate what Neil Young did for all of us.
That aside as long as Conventional run locomotives have the basic engine rev sounds, horns and bells and whistles and maybe one or two vocals I think a lot of us will be happy.
I agree the lighting needs to be brighter on the locomotives and it can be done with LED's and wig-wag would be cool to. BUT I also think an on/off switch should be included because there are days you want to run the engines and not have all the noise. Especially at night when kids are getting ready for bed.
Just a thought!!!!!
To "Scale out" the "Semi-scale" Toy trains would be to eliminate a long standing and cherished product line. If you want "scale" head to Weaver, 3rd-rail, Atlas, Lionel Legacy or MTH Premier. Leave the Semi-scale alone!
Quote from: jpstrainyard on August 20, 2013, 07:18:13 PM
JP of Acton MA, USA writes,
WBB should do Plymouth Switchers, and Porter 0-4-0s, just like the ones that K-Line by Lionel produced
-JP
To me there is more then plenty of Plymouth switchers already on the market. I don't think that would be a wise investment at this time, give it a few years.
Lee F.
Quote from: dtpowell on August 23, 2013, 09:07:58 PM
To "Scale out" the "Semi-scale" Toy trains would be to eliminate a long standing and cherished product line.
Yea! Why doesn't everyone else scale down a bit, detail can still be there :D. Gauge isn't right either way. ;D
One definition of what
exactly semi scale means http://www.thortrains.net/027stand.htm
Quote from: Srcjo on July 27, 2013, 02:28:30 PM
Toys Rule!! ;D
Yep. :D
I have used LED replacement BA9's, and the look is outstanding. And LED's have less heat!
(http://i39.tinypic.com/2zizxo8.jpg)
(http://i40.tinypic.com/2dw595g.jpg)
These are my Williams Brass RF-16's custom painted for the Wellsville Addison and Galeton. Plus a Williams Brass Caboose
painted for the WAG, A+B units on my layout. I know the WAG never ran RF-16's but I always wished they did. I'm a huge
RF-16 Fan. Also my Brass Caboose from Williams is a Pennsy, ( Roof Antenna's ) but I figure on my Layout they purchased
an old PRR Caboose for use.
Pa. Railfan
(http://i41.tinypic.com/35lhfo0.jpg)
(http://i40.tinypic.com/t8aqef.jpg)
My custom Painted Williams NW2 in Wellsboro and Corning paint with a Williams NC5 Caboose. Wellsboro and
Corning never had a Caboose but on my Layout they do. Enjoy. Longtime Williams Operator.
Pa. Railfan
(http://i40.tinypic.com/ylcgp.jpg)
(http://i41.tinypic.com/24w7b00.jpg)
Custom Painted Williams RF-16's for the Monongahela. Accurate numbering on the double A units. I choose the
1210 and 1216 as only these units had the MRY emblem on the front. For Monongahela Fans everyone is more
familiar with the 1205 + 1216 but the 1205 never wore the MRY front emblem. Enjoy.
Pa. Railfan
DominicM
Where do you get those LED BA9's?
Are they easy to install ??
In Houston, ACE Electronics, on Antione, just south of 34th street.
Been thinking how I'd like to have a set of F3s painted for Burlington Northern, my former employer. I could use them in both passenger and freight service.
To me it seems that it is not really necessary to have a lot of road names from WBB.
Looks as if you guys do real well repainting and lettering what is available to get what you want. :)
I do not usually add to these type of posts making suggestions because I think the companies probably are more aware of what is selling,and that is there primary concern,know what will sell.
BUT an O gauge model of the PRR saddle-tanker shown on the home page would be very nice.
Yes we need O scale e60's and Metroliners in scale not the 031 toy.
I don't know who buys what,maybe Bachmann does,but it seems to me that the "O31 toy" is the backbone of the hobby.
Other companies are making beautiful scale locos that need a much larger track radius on which to run.The Williams locos
of any type are reliable,well made and affordable.
IMO if Bachmann thought scale E-60s and Metroliners would sell they would have them made.
How come nobody is mentioning stuff like the U-33C or U-boats as I have heard them called? Another caboose design(other then the N5c) would be excellent!
Lee F.
Perhaps an Alco RS11 would ne a nice addition to the Williams by Bachmann line???
An Alco S2 would be great also. Something other than EMD NW2 switchers on my layout would be a nice change.
Cobrabob.
Yes I am in on the RS11 engines. That would really be nice. Also the new type switcher as well S2. :)
Well I think that all Wbb engines both Diesel and Steam alike are all good. I am currently in the works to purchase the J Class 4-8-4 PRR Northern Steam engine and I think that it would be nice to see more streamlined engines of different road names added to the roster of steam engines. It wouldn't hurt to if they came equipped with the new True Blast Plus. I figure as long as you don't need to worry about replacing those batteries as is with the MTH Proto 2 there is nothing wrong with Bachmann updating the Williams True Blast 2 sound system. If they keep it as simple as that and not get to fancy with the electronics they should be fine. After all with all these electronic stuff in the more modern engines if something shorts out you are looking at a hefty bill of repair.
In the Sept Issue of Railfan&Railroad 2012 issue on the cover is a Norfolk Southern SD40E
If WBB could produce one like that with the yellow and white trimming I think it would be a "seller", it looks cool
Also on page 25 is a 2-8-0 1904 Baldwin Steamer with that red trim in front of the piolt cabin. That steamer I would get too!!!