Here is the Official Oliver Thread! :o
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Oliver hasn't been announced yet.
I think this thread is meant for us to talk about a possible Oliver in the future. Then if he is announced, pictures and stuff can be posted here.
Can't we just use the wish list thread, there's too many to keep straight as it is.
Indeed Caleb
:)
Quote from: thomasj219 on September 09, 2013, 12:29:00 PM
Can't we just use the wish list thread, there's too many to keep straight as it is.
As soon as I read the title, I suddenly got my hopes up thinking some late announcement popped up!
Honestly, I agree with thomasj219. I feel like it's one thing to talk about the potential a locomotive has for being made, but talking about thoughts and pictures as if he is actually is announced is a whole different deal. That and I feel like Bachmann probably gets enough demands for Oliver as it is, so at this point I think they got the message. Personally, I think it's only a matter of when he will be announced, as opposed to if, but only time will tell at this point.
(http://images.wikia.com/ttte/images/7/7c/ToadStandsBy5.jpg)
Regardless, he's the most popular demand by a landslide, and I think a lot of members on this forum would love him to join the range. I know I would!
Same ModelTrainFan538
But, a more detailed coat and face ;)
-ModelTrainFan538
I think it will look like that, but with a season 2-3 face
Duck got a season 6-7 face. :P
That could happen Caleb ;)
-Tim
I don't usually bump threads, particularly ones that are this old, but I figured now would be an appropriate time to do so considering that a Bachmann model of Oliver is now on the way.
I want to talk about some speculation behind Oliver with how I think the model will turn out, regarding which of the potential two designs we could see.
(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/ttte/images/1/1e/OliverCGIpromo2.png/revision/latest?cb=20150207143138)
Based on the illustration in the catalog I have no doubt that we will see Oliver in his CGI face, same goes for Toad. But unlike Toad, Oliver has different design compared to his model-era counter part. Differences are shown in the height, which makes him extremely out of scale, the black running board, along with other various details and changes.
(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/ttte/images/5/5c/Escape61.png/revision/latest?cb=20121024224317)
The model era version on the other hand has a more basic design with less details, and more importantly is in scale with rest of the engines and stock with the series. Personally I would rather see Bachmann take this approach, regardless of whichever face they choose for the model. Don't get me wrong, I'd be more than happy with the former, but I think everyone would prefer to have a model of Oliver that is more to scale with the other models in the range as well as a white running board. They might be minor nitpicks but for some people it could really make a difference and I hope Bachmann takes that into consideration.
Either way a CGI face is inevitable for Oliver and Toad, whether fans will admit that or not. Regardless of how the model itself turns out in the end, it will be nice to have a new model of Oliver to run on the layout alongside the Bachmann Duck.
Absolutely agree, I'm fine with the CGI face but I do hope they go more in the model direction for scale and running board.
Quote from: thomasj219 on March 05, 2015, 10:39:18 AM
Absolutely agree, I'm fine with the CGI face but I do hope they go more in the model direction for scale and running board.
either way, Oliver should be a good model when it comes out.
Do people really still get upset over Cgi faces? I haven't heard anything about that in a while, but there are lots of people and opinions out there.
I'd be ok with whatever we get, Oliver was always my favorite character growing up because he was the first engine I ever saw be properly introduced to the series (season 3). I felt like he was "my" character in my 4 year old mindset.
Of course I'm not trying to start a G scale topic, but I think Oliver would be practical to (eventually) be introduced to G scale, as his driving wheels are not as long as Duck's, Gordon's, or so on. That's just an idea though. With Winston coming out I have literally no clue where G scale will go from here.
I wouldn't mind the CGI face either, but having a model face would be a nice bonus.
I'm more concerned about the footplate. It's a personal preference but I prefer it to be white, since that's how I remember Oliver as. If his body was entirely based on his model appearance, but with a CGI face, I'd be pretty happy.
Agree. The white running plate is a must for me. I mean not like I wouldn't get it other wise but still. The fact that Duck had one gives me hope.
I really don't see the running plate as an issue, it's a simple paint job for whatever livery you'd like.
It'd be interesting to see if Bachmann makes a 'hybrid' of sorts, like using model Oliver's scale, but having the details from the CGI counterpart.
Just throwing ideas. :P
Quote from: Calebtrain on March 06, 2015, 09:32:55 AM
I really don't see the running plate as an issue, it's a simple paint job for whatever livery you'd like.
It'd be interesting to see if Bachmann makes a 'hybrid' of sorts, like using model Oliver's scale, but having the details from the CGI counterpart.
Just throwing ideas. :P
I wouldn't mind this either. Even if I would prefer a white running board, it is something that's fixable if people are bothered. The white running board, much like Diesel's silver side rods, is a nice touch for older fans and is something that would give Bachmann some praise. Oliver's scaling issue I'd be more concerned about since that is
not something that is fixable as shown here:
(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/ttte/images/5/55/Spencer%27sVIP80.png/revision/latest?cb=20150101072908)
Duck's face says it all...Hopefully Bachmann will be aware of this while the Oliver model is production. Personally, I expect it to be the model era version of Oliver with a CGI style face for reasons I stated earlier, but only time will tell with what road Bachmann will take at this point.
I think the scaling issue in general means Bachmann might base his body more off the model version. and just throw on a CGI face like Diesel.
That would also be my guess. And my preference. I mean I would love a model face but I don't know if it's too likely. Besides his cgi face is similar to his model one.
I think Oliver is gonna be a CGI/Model hybrid, like Diesel. The CGI details and face are fine, but the scaling really does come into question.
I'm pretty sure they would go for the model scaling.
Oliver next to Duck, for comparison.
(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/ttte/images/d/de/OliverOwnsUp20.png/revision/latest?cb=20130211143001)
I have five ideas on how the Bachmann company can make HO/OO Bachmann Oliver. The pictures have a nice face and smile compatible with the classic 1-10 (Thomas through Douglas) characters without having to make Oliver in his CGI form. I would like everything of him to be based off of the classic series which include: his face, running board painted white, and his shell (train body) etc. Here are some ideas on how I would like the Bachmann company to make HO/OO Bachmann Oliver.
If you want to look at my ideas for how Bachmann Oliver should look. Go to the thread "Bachmann Oliver Thread Ideas".
For anyone who is interested in waiting for Bachmann's suggested price for HO/OO Oliver to be revealed, go to this website:http://www.trainsetsonly.com/page/TSO/PROD/160-58815.
That is very interesting. Although that's not the retail price of the Bachmann Oliver, it is interesting to note that Oliver will cost just about as much as Arry and Bert (given by what's at the store). So since at the Bachmann store the Arry and Bert models are $119.00 each at retail, we can assume that Oliver's retail price is around that same price range. Hopefully other shops will list Oliver for cheaper prices soon, since I always like preordering models before they arrive. Thank you for sharing that with us!
Brought this thread back.
Just a thought.
I'm thinking that Oliver's scaling and proportions would be based off a real 14xx, rather then both his TV model or CGI render.
(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/ttte/images/4/4e/Oliver%27sbasis.png/revision/latest?cb=20140312091431)
Where his CGI render is undersized, and TV model seems to be overscale.
Please give some feedback.