I'm fairly new here, and I'm planning on getting a layout started, and I need a turntable, what is easier, atlas, walthers? How would you use EZ track with it? Please give me some advise! ;D
I'll give you 2 more choices: Peco, or Heljan/Walthers/ConCor. There may be other European TT's that are imported into the US.
The Peco is the smallest. The Heljan is from the 1980's & has had several importers. Walthers also sold them for a time. A motor kit is sold separately if you don't want an armstrong table.
The Atlas & Walthers cornerstone are the newest. Walthers would fit into a post-1950 timeframe. They may be the easiest to find at a hobbyshop. You may need to hunt on *bay or a swap meet for the Heljan model.
The main difference is the size of the table. Big locos like a Big Boy or Challernger likely won't fit on the Peco table.
The TT's are all designed to fit the same brand's roundhouse. You need to know the degree of turn to fit the next stall of the RH. Some RH can be adjusted by changing the distance between the TT & the RH.
Between the TT, RH, & EZtrack, you will be best off to use flextrack then use a shim to get the flex up to EZtrak. Atlas Right Track software may have templates you can use to compare & lay everything out before cutting any rail. It will be a lot cheaper to get some cork or foam to be a roadbed under the RH & all the track leading to the TT. Once all the track is in place, then build the RH & install the TT.
Have fun with your layout!
ya, i'm getting a big boy this christmas, i'm planning on getting an atlas turntable and roundhouse, and somehow useing it with EZ track, also getting a motar for the turntable. ;D
I just need to know how to install it with EZ track :-\
The big boy, the challenger and the 2-8-8-2 will not fit onto the Atlas turntable. The B-mann 2-6-6-2 and LL 2-8-4 will barely fit. Anything smaller will fit.
Kato sells a transition track for use with its UniTrack that allows you to connect it to flex or snap track, but I do not know if B-mann sells a similar section of track. You may be able to put a piece of flex track into the B-mann joiners and use cork to raise it to the height of the B-mann track, but I am not sure as I have never tried to mix E-Z TRAK with UniTrack or flex track.
What roundhouse will fit a 4-8-8-4?
and turntable?
I have never owned a 4-8-8-4.
The Walthers/HelJan turntable used to hold a 2-8-8-2. I seem to recall that it also held a
4-6-6-4, but I can not be sure, as it has been a long time since I had one. I used to own two Rivarossi challengers, but that was some time back. I also got rid of my Walthers/HelJan truntable some time back, as I was never too happy with it.
The HelJan barely held the last mentioned articulateds, so I suspect that it would not hold a
4-8-8-4, but, as I have never owned one, I can not bet even the telephone bill on it.
I would suspect that you would need to buy one of the German imports, but they cost three-hundred dollars and up.
As for a roundhouse, you would probably have to bash an extension to an existing one, as I do not know that anyone sells a roundhouse that large.
alright..., well, if anyone knows if they have a roundhouse and turntable to hold a 4-8-8-4 please let me know.. :-[
Quote from: rains train on September 10, 2007, 08:54:12 AM
alright..., well, if anyone knows if they have a roundhouse and turntable to hold a 4-8-8-4 please let me know.. :-[
There are 2 turntables currently available to turn a big-boy. The big-boy's wheelbase is just under 118' and the overall length is 132' 10", so even with the largest turntable, there will still be a bit of loco hanging over the ends of the bridge on this auto-indexing table from Walthers:
http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/933-2613 (http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/933-2613)
The other turntable, also from Walthers, is a manual turntable that you turn with a pulley and string contraption.
Walthers just happens to have a roundhouse suitable for use with this turntable, and it is large enough to allow you to park a big-boy inside. None of this project will be inexpensive, but with a little tlc, it'll be a source of pride for years to come. Time to look for that second job!
Mike
Not old enough for a job yet, this summer, or the next one though! ;)
Ouch that turntable's expensive.. :o might get t=an atlas one, and not use a turntable for my big boy when i get it this christmas, or save up for that one... :-\
There is a way out. You could buy the Atlas turntable. Cut a hole in the platform you are using for your layout and sink the turntable below the level. Then build a new bridge of your required length on the existing deck of the turntable. I model HO scale and did just that. I cannot afford shelling out 300$ for a turntable. Hope you are good with your hands otherwise it is going to be difficult for you.
Probobly :-\ ;)
If a picture will help let me know. I'll post one tomorrow.
That might help a little ;D
OK cool, i'm off to bed now will do it first thing in the morning.
Thank you very much :)
for some strange reason i cannot insert the pictures. I have mailed them to your AOL account. Hope that is ok by you.
Thanks :)
You mentioned that you were getting a big boy for Christmas. Unless there is a brass one out there, Rivarossi manufactured the only N scale big boy. It is currently out of production, so the only ones out there are either used or NOS.
The runnability of RR steam varies wildly. Copies of the same model will show variations: some will run nicely through the speed ranges; they will even creep well. Other copies of the same model will have only two speeds: very fast and not-at-all.
Does it absolutely, positively have to be a big boy? Or is it important only that you have UP big steam? If the latter, you might want to consider the Athearn challenger. While it will not pull quite as well as the RR, it does run better (according to those who own all three: RR big boy, RR challenger, Athearn challenger). The Athearn's detailing is also nicer and it does have sound.
There is a RR big boy currently on FeePay. It has two days left and is currently at just under two-hundred dollars. I suspect that it will go for something close to three-hundred dollars. Unless you have one on layaway at your FLHS for two-hundred-fifty dollars or less, the Athearn might be a better choice.
M.B. Klein's website, modeltrainstuff.com, shows Athearn challengers for about three-hhundred bananas. They seem to be out of Tio Pedritos, it appears that they have only D&RGW. I suspect that they can order one for you in Tio Pedrito if you send them an e-Mail. I usually deal with them face-to-face, as they are close to Baltimore and I am in Washington, but I have used their mail order. They give good service and are a good crew. They have always been willing to order for me if they did not have it in stock.
If you can not get it there, I suspect that you could find an Athearn for about the same price on other websites or on FeePay.
But if it absolutely, positively must be a big boy, be aware of what you are getting into with RR.
http://www.athearn.com/Search/Default.aspx?SearchTerm=big+boy&CatID=TN
This may be the BB referred to? We'll see if Athearn can be on time with this release.
At $424 List I hope they take their time to do a quality product. (Same MSRP as the Challenger)
Getting back to the TT, I wonder if the new model is also made by Heljan? Is it possible the new/old TT & RH can share some common parts? THen it may be possible to have some old stalls rebuilt into a modern style?
It could make the RH a bit easier to have some short stalls for smaller power, then some longer stalls for the BB & CH?
There would be few prototypes for a RH complex that would be able to handle BB's. I wonder if UP has any photos of their Cheyenne facility?
No, it's an Athearn Big Boy, I need to reserve it, here...
http://texnrails.com/catalog/catresults.asp?sid=FJ657274769104203,%2051390458055830&cat=L&mfg=ATH&itype=4-8-8-4,_Big_Boy&scale=N
The Athearn announcement of the big boy must have gotten by me or I forgot about it. Either would be no surprise, as I have little interest in big steam and have no interest in UP big steam.
I might be gettng it, but if i do i'll have to put it off, i'm getting digitrax zephyr for christmas :-\