Are the coaches in the White Pass & Yukon, and East Tennessee & Western North Carolina passenger Sets the same units as the Jackson Sharp coaches that are sold individually?
Dear Ken,
The coaches in the sets usually have plastic railings and battery powered lights; otherwise, they're the same.
Have fun!
the Bach-man
Unless you bought one of last year's Sam's sets. Despite what it said on the box, no lights anywhere! <G> :-X
Oh well, I converted it to track powered LED's. At the same time, I made about five other modifications to them. Now to get the metal railings for my other dozen J&S cars!
Dea Ken,
Here is some info on the J&S Passenger cars by Item NO, Initials, Car Number, Year first produced, and other helpful info
White Pass & Yukon
The 89 Series Cars have metal railings and track power lighting, except as noted:
89391 WP&Y 224 2001 P-Coach White Pass & Yukon "Lake Tutshi" P Track Power Lights $75.00 Metal Railings
89391 WP&Y 226 2007 P-Coach White Pass & Yukon "Lake Fraser" Track Power Lights $75.00 metal railings has same B number lake tutshi in catalog
89392 WP&Y 209 2001 P Combine White Pass & Yukon Royal Mail P Track Power Lights $75.00 metal railings
89393 WP&Y 203 2001 P Baggage White Pass & Yukon P Not Lighted $75.00 Metal Railings
89394 WP&Y 240 2001 P-Obs White Pass & Yukon "Lake Bennett" P Track Power Lights $85.00 metal railings
89395 WP&Y 248 2004 P-Coach White Pass & Yukon "Lake Tagish" P Track Power Lights $77.00 Metal Railings
The following have plastic railings and Battery power lights except as noted:
97119 WP&Y 209 1992 P Combine White Pass & Yukon Royal Mail P Battery Lights $55.00
97219 WP&Y 224 1992 P-Coach White Pass & Yukon "Lake Tutshi" P Battery Lights $55.00
97319 WP&Y 240 1992 P-Obs White Pass & Yukon "Lake Bennett" P Battery Lights $65.00
97419 WP&Y 203 1992 P Baggage White Pass & Yukon P Not Lighted $55.00
Cars from Set 90059
90059 WP&Y 214 2007 P-Coach White Pass & Yukon "Lake Spirit" plastic railing Not Lighted Set Car plastic railings Only in Set 90059 as of 2007
90059 WP&Y 240 2007 P-Obs White Pass & Yukon "Lake Bennett" Plas railing Not Lighted Set Car plastic railings same as earlier car except has no lights.
The cars in set 90059 are not lighted as per the "The Favorite Spot" hobby shop which has an Ebay Store. I do not have a second confirmation on this.
The info I have on the ET&WNC Cars is as follows:
89291 ET&WNC 19 2001 P-Coach Eastern Tennessee & Western North Carolina P Track power light $80.00 Metal Railings
89292 ET&WNC 18 2001 P Combine Eastern Tennessee & Western North Carolina P Track power light $75.00 metal railings
89293 ET&WNC 21 2001 P Baggage Eastern Tennessee & Western North Carolina Not Lighted $75.00 Metal Railings
89294 ET&WNC 10 2001 P-Obs Eastern Tennessee & Western North Carolina P Track power light $85.00 "Azalea" metal railings
The following are the 97 series cars: They have Battery power except as noted, and have plastic railings.
97120 ET&WNC 18 1992 P Combine Eastern Tennessee & Western North Carolina Battery Lights $55.00
97220 ET&WNC 19 1992 P-Coach Eastern Tennessee & Western North Carolina Battery Lights $55.00 Set 90048 & seperately
97320 ET&WNC 10 1992 P-Obs Eastern Tennessee & Western North Carolina P Battery Lights $65.00 "Azalea" Set 90048 & seperately
97420 ET&WNC 21 1992 P Baggage Eastern Tennessee & Western North Carolina Not Lighted $55.00
The above info is based on my researc so far and may or may not be totally correct, if anyone has better info or corrections please email me, or send me a personal message. If you are buying on EBay be sure of what you are getting!!!!! Ask questions!!!!
Good Luck and Enjoy your Large Scale Trains!
Now that Bachmann has started selling the J&S coach kits again, what's the chances of getting those metal end rails as replacements? The cars with them look really great, and make the fat yellow plastic ones look really goofy.
I'll take ten pairs!
Ozark Miniatures sells Part # 88 "Coach Platform Railings for Bachmann Jackson & Sharp Coach". See their website or various vendors that carry the line.
I have two Bachman J&S coaches in transit from Trainworld .They are WP&Y
89094 & 89092 .From the ads they have track power lighting and metal railings..How much difference is there in detail to justify $180.00 price asked for by the other mfg.
Don
QuoteHow much difference is there in detail to justify $180.00 price asked for by the other mfg
They are a different scale. It's like comparing apples to oranges.
Check out these pictures to see the difference:
http://www.mylargescale.com/Community/Forums/tabid/56/forumid/17/tpage/1/view/Topic/postid/5851/Default.aspx (http://www.mylargescale.com/Community/Forums/tabid/56/forumid/17/tpage/1/view/Topic/postid/5851/Default.aspx)
I checked out the website but they did not have a comparison .There is nothing I saw to justify an addditional $135.00 or so extra for the Accucraft coaches.In fact the purchasers of the coaches were sending them out for what I consider were repairs.
Don
You can't compare the Bachmann J&S coach to the Accucraft coach any more than you can compare Bachmann's original 1:22 freight cars to their new "Spectrum" 1:20.3 cars. They're in two completely different leagues. The fidelity to detail is top drawer on the 1:20.3 equipment, where on the older 1:22 stuff, it's far, far coarser--more of a suggestion than an accurate representation. Worth the price? Depends on what you want to get from the model.
If you're not "into" 1:20.3 as a scale (and the high level of detail the scale's followers demand), then the Bachmann cars will be just fine. They look fantastic with the Bachmann 4-6-0, and with locos from LGB, Hartland, and the Aristo/Delton C-16. I used to have a string of them myself. However, they are NOT 1:20.3, and not visually compatible with any of Bachmann's Spectrum locos with the possible exception of the small-in-stature 4-4-0 or possibly the 0-4-0. They're easily dwarfed by anything larger. Don't even think they'll look okay behind the K-27. The opposite is also true, though. The Accucraft cars will dwarf any LGB loco ever made. 1:20.3 equipment is really in its own class as far as size goes from the historic 1:22 and 1:24 offerings of years ago.
Most folks who model 1:20.3 do so because they have an interest in scale fidelity and value a high level of detail. There's a distinct reason Bachmann put so much effort into making prototypically working door latches on their new box cars. The 1:20.3 crowd demands it. Those added details cost money, so the price goes up accordingly. Those of us who value that attention to detail don't seem to mind paying for it. It's still easier (and cheaper) than scratchbuilding, and when you compare the cost of even the "expensive" equipment compared to what we were paying 25 years ago for stuff with less detail than Bachmann's inexpensive line, it's even more of a bargain.
Quote from: grumpy on January 28, 2008, 12:45:12 AM
... for what I consider were repairs.
Suffice to say, that's not a problem unique to Accucraft. But like that similar example we're all familiar with here, the cars are beautiful, and despite a few minor easily remedied glitches, well worth the purchase price.
Later,
K
Quote from: CCSII on January 27, 2008, 03:13:55 PM
Check out these pictures to see the difference:
http://www.mylargescale.com/Community/Forums/tabid/56/forumid/17/tpage/1/view/Topic/postid/5851/Default.aspx (http://www.mylargescale.com/Community/Forums/tabid/56/forumid/17/tpage/1/view/Topic/postid/5851/Default.aspx)
Funny to see that the LGB coach is actually taller than Accucraft... http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/chuckn/LGB-AC1640.jpg
It is much shortened though (artificially). Hopefully they will come up with the correct length version soon! (Barry Bogs prepared the prototypes for them.) http://www.frolin.net/cwrr/pictures/20070125/index.html
I wonder how Bachmann coaches would compare but I believe they are smaller/less high than LGB. Best wishes from Tokyo, Zubi
Quote from: zubi on January 28, 2008, 11:17:58 AM
Quote from: CCSII on January 27, 2008, 03:13:55 PM
Check out these pictures to see the difference:
http://www.mylargescale.com/Community/Forums/tabid/56/forumid/17/tpage/1/view/Topic/postid/5851/Default.aspx (http://www.mylargescale.com/Community/Forums/tabid/56/forumid/17/tpage/1/view/Topic/postid/5851/Default.aspx)
Funny to see that the LGB coach is actually taller than Accucraft... http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/chuckn/LGB-AC1640.jpg
It is much shortened though (artificially). Hopefully they will come up with the correct length version soon! (Barry Bogs prepared the prototypes for them.) http://www.frolin.net/cwrr/pictures/20070125/index.html
I wonder how Bachmann coaches would compare but I believe they are smaller/less high than LGB. Best wishes from Tokyo, Zubi
I must be missing something. In the first picture you reference, the Accucraft Coach is clearly taller than the LGB - not the other way around as you suggest.
The Bachmann coaches are virtually identical in size to the LGB coaches in terms of height and width, actually the roof on the Bachmann car is just a touch taller, owing to a taller clerestory. The Bachmann coach is a bit longer, though not by much--maybe an inch or so. I used to have a photo of a passenger train on my dad's railroad consisting of three LGB coaches and a Bachmann car that I modified into a business car bringing up the rear. Naturally, it's nowhere to be found when I want to illustrate a comparison.
Later,
K
I think that the one in the middle here is LGB, the rest are Bachmann
(http://www.jbrr.com/assets/images/OnTrestle.jpg)
Quote from: Bruce Chandler on January 28, 2008, 11:41:29 AM
I must be missing something. In the first picture you reference, the Accucraft Coach is clearly taller than the LGB - not the other way around as you suggest.
Bruce, what you are missing is that the rail on which the LGB coach is standing is placed about 2cm lower than the rail on which the Accucraft coach stands. Still, the roof of the LGB one is only 1.5cm lower than Accucraft. It seems like LGB coach is 0.5cm higher than Accucraft but this may be due to perspective effect. Best wishes, Zubi
I'll second a lot of Kevin's comments regarding the detail level on the newer 1:20.3 equipment (Bachmann "Spectrum", Accucraft / AMS) vs. the earlier "Big Hauler" equipment. I have a 4-car set of the older "Big Hauler" (1:22.5 scale) coaches; size-wise, they look OK behind an "Annie" (which is ALSO 1:22.5, although the newer versions approach the "Spectrum" detail level ;) ), or the Bachmann "Centennial" 4-4-0 or 2-6-0 (both 1:20.3, but relatively SMALL prototypes). I just saw the new Bachmann (1:20.3) K:27 2-8-2 first-hand this past weekend; compared to most of their earlier offerings, it's HUGE! :o I also saw the AMS (plastic) 1:20.3 "wood" coaches this weekend for the first time; incredibly detailed trucks & interiors (even fantastic detail on the seat armrests! :o ), vs. the solid-plastic side frames & "1-piece" floor & "suggested" ;) seats of the Bachmann "Big Hauler" J&S cars. They're also comparably HUGE & will look FANTASTIC behind the new K27. ;D Bottom line - you get what you pay for! ;)
Tom
Zubi, that's the camera angle. I've seen the Accucraft coach in person. I've built two 1:20 passenger cars. I've modified LGB and Bachmann coaches. Trust me--they're smaller. MUCH smaller.
Further down on that MLS thread is this photo:
(http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/chuckn/AC-ac6403.jpg)
Granted, not an LGB coach, but an Aristo-Craft heavyweight. Still, given that Aristo's stuff is nominally the same height and width as LGB's, it gives you a good idea of the size of the Accucraft stuff.
Later,
K
Kevin, thanks for the comments. Of course this can be the camera angle and perspective effect. I mentioned this as I think that LGB coach windows are substantially oversize for 1:22.5. I have never compared them with plans but I remember an article in GR. Given that LGB often used smaller scale ratio for height I would not be surprised if it worked out to 1:20. Of course LGB cars are much shorter but that is another story. Anyway, if you are convinced this is due to camera distortion, that explains it. Best wishes, Zubi
You guys have lost me with your discussion about camera angle ,height of rails , true scale etc. My Bachman J&S coaches arrived yesterday . I hooked the up behind my Bachman 2-6-0 Mogul and to me they look fantastic.I won't be able to put them on outdoor track until April - I have 4'0 of snow in the backyard and it is -32 degrees outside.
Grumpy, I am glad that you like the combination - this is most important! And I am sure they look fantastic together (this combination may actually have somewhat more standard gauge feel to it). Please show us some photos, especially if you are going to run in 4 feet of snow :)!!! Best wishes from sunny Tokyo, Zubi