We noticed that there is going to be a K-27 coming out in Large scale and it looks nice just like the ones that we rode in Colorado. Or maybe they were K-36's. Anyway, the Large scale K-27 looks good in Large scale. When is Bachman going to bring out one in On30? Thanks, Clayton
This, and other large Colorado locomotives, has been made in On30 by another manufacturer (MMI a division of PSC). True this manufacturer makes limited runs, but you may be able to find a K 27 if you look around. A K36 is due to be released shortly.
Personally I would prefer Bachmann not to enter the large Colorado locomotive field and duplicate another manufacturers models. By sticking to different prototypes the total range of ON30 models is increased.
Hamish
It is hard to produce a K-27 in On30 - the prototype is three foot gauge and would dwarf On30 rolling stock. As indicated above, one has already been produced by another maker.
I think that the small engines Bachmann has chosen for the line are really good choices. The Forney is a great little engine and the new 4-4-0 fills a niche.
Good Morning All,
I agree that Bachmann does not have to do a K class engine since MMI is already doing them and has basically announced the K36 and 37 in On30 as well as On3.
As to the the larger engines dwarfing the On30 cars, in actuallity that is true, but if you are like me and have never really seen On3 rolling stock, then the visual perception of the size of the cars in respect to the K27 or K28 is just fine. One does not really notice size difference. Well at least I don't. I love the look of my K27s with a string of hoppers, tankcars, or a mixed freight moving over my On30 railroad. When I take that same train and run it with one of my Bachmann 2-8-0s, there is nothing I notice about the size comparison.
As much as I have said in the past that I would love to see Bachmann do an EBT 2-8-2, I would be just excited by a 2-6-2 or a ten wheeler in the On30 line.
I had asked the same question some time back. The response I recieved was being there are K27's in production already, Bachmann hadn't any intentions on coming out with their own model of such. :'( Yea, I know its disappointing but like others have posted MMI makes a quality one!
My largest radius is a 22" and they need at least a 28" I've been told :( Besides I couldn't afford the MMI option anyway.
I am having more fun with my Consolidation, More bang for the buck!
I second ebtbob's request for an EBT 2-8-2 and a small articulated.
It is apparent that Bachmann is doing some really fine research looking for smaller engines that complement their On30 line.
Bachmann should compromise for the EBT fans and do an EBT caboose.
Good Morning All,
To br549 - In speaking of the MMI K27s, I have two of them and they will negotiate a 22 in radius curve. Now I must admit that they have been altered. When I had my local store install the Soundtraxx decoders, two decoders were used. The controling decoder was installed in the boiler and the Soundtraxx decoder was installed with a speaker in the tender. This eliminated all but two wires going between the engine and the tender.
The original wire harness and the way it was held in place by the tender was the cause for the manufacturer to state that a minimum of 26 inch radius was required. The other way to reduce the minimum radius is to take the tender shell off its frame and file down the "tab"(represents a deck plate I guess)that sticks out the front of the shell, so it does not have such a binding affect on the harness.
All that being said, I am lucky enough to have the space for an On30 railroad that has a minimum mainline radius of 26 inch. Even in my yard and engine facility, the minimum is 24 inch so, the Ks can go anywhere on the railroad.
Good Morning all, again,
To Woody, you mentioned an EBT caboose. I also have been suggesting that here for a number of years now. Bachmann had success with its 2 bay hopper in On30 so they did it in large scale. Well, ironically, Bachmann has a large scale caboose that is almost dead on for the EBT cabooses and wish they would downsize that to On30, or even to HO scale as a nice wooden caboose. The only real problem that I can see is the fact that not as many cabooses would sell as hoppers as you do not have as many cabooses on any railroad as other freight cars.
Now for you EBT fans out there, remember, the EBT many times did not use cabooses on coal trains, they put a coach or combine on the rear end, to move miners to and from their jobs.
A lot of folks would like to see the EBT caboose! ;D
Royce
I agree on the EBT caboose. Put some passenger car trucks under it an you have a similar Tweetsie caboose. Much better than the piece of plastic now offered. Contact me if you want to see a greatly modified Bachmann caboose that looks decent. Not hard to do at all.
It would be very nice to have the EBT/Tweesie caboose. They are large, however, remember that.
Jim Pasha
japasha@aol.com
ebtbob, Thanks for the info on the MMI K27 alterations now when the $ are funded to the K&P it may end up with one after all in its roster! Thanks again!
Yes--MMI has the "K-Class" market well covered. Car-wise, I agree on the EBT caboose--since Bachmann has already done the tooling research for one in G Scale, Likewise I'd like to see the ET&WNC piggyback car in On30. I wouldn't be above dragging a few of those over Cumbres!
Does anyone know of a dealer who has the "Scrooge Collieries" hopper in stock?
I think that Bachmann ought to focus its next steam release into either a 4-6-0 or a 2-6-2 tender loco. The catch is, what prototype to model??? The 2-6-2 would be the easiest... I would plump for SR&RL #24, or for real exotica, Cimento Perus (Brazil) #6 and #7 - these were a pair of massive H.K.Porter locos built in 1945 and possibly the last 2ft gauge steam locos built in the USA for commercial service. The 4-6-0 is more complicated... I would like to see a "shrunken down" Tweetsie loco, the trouble is finding a 30"/24" proto loco which will fit the description.
Cheers Nicholas
Nicholas - the SR&RL #24 prairie type loco is my favorite NG engine. Train and Trooper just brought out an HOn30 version in brass.
This engine is long and would need some really good engineering to get it to negotiate tight curves. I think Bachmann is going to stick with little teapots that blend in with their previous offerings.
In my opinion, a scaled down Tweestsie ten wheeler would be welcomed by many On30 modelers.
Quote from: japasha on September 25, 2007, 12:52:48 PM
Contact me if you want to see a greatly modified Bachmann caboose that looks decent. Not hard to do at all.
Jim Pasha
japasha@aol.com
I would like to see that.
Jim
Sjack,
Contact me directly so I can send full files with pictures. The email address is under my name.
I have been buggin' bachmann for a Tweetsie 10-wheeler for about 1 or 2 years now :D. OH please bachmann make a nice black and green Tweetsie 10-wheeler with nice lettering and 2 versions of the head lamp, the round kerosene lamp and a electric one. I am begging.
Rock On & Live Strong
Dusten Barefoot
I personally would like a nice medium size two truck three cylinder shay, say something in the 30 to 40 ton size.
My two cents worth,
Andre ;D
Quote from: Woody Elmore on September 26, 2007, 09:58:05 AM
Nicholas - the SR&RL #24 prairie type loco is my favorite NG engine. Train and Trooper just brought out an HOn30 version in brass.
This engine is long and would need some really good engineering to get it to negotiate tight curves. I think Bachmann is going to stick with little teapots that blend in with their previous offerings.
In my opinion, a scaled down Tweestsie ten wheeler would be welcomed by many On30 modelers.
Well, seems that Bachmann has become adept at solving hard model engineering problems. After all, the Forney navigates (barely!) 18" radius curves... never mind that the rear end sticks out, at least it works. A 2-6-2 would be easy by comparison...
To put what I've said in my previous post in context, here are some pics of Perus #7 http://br.geocities.com/perus_pirapora/efpp-7.htm (http://br.geocities.com/perus_pirapora/efpp-7.htm).
When I've said "scaled down Tweetsie" I meant looking into the depths of the Baldwin or Alco files for a 30" loco with a at least passing resemblance of the Tweetsie locos. I know of one such loco, the difficult part would be finding the drawings for it...
Cheers Nicholas
I don't see why the Tweesie (or RGS) 4-6-0 would need to be "scaled down"?...it's not like they are gigantic loco's...maybe just between the 2-6-0 and 2-8-0 in size
if one wants a "scaled down" 4-6-0, it'd be pretty darn simple to but an O scale cab and stack on a Bcahmann HO scale 4-6-0 and end up with something that would match up pretty well with the forthcoming 4-4-0...
Yes, small they are, but they are still 3-foot locos with outside driving wheels - just plunking them on On30 track would make them look ridiculous... sort of a green bicicle... ;D the 2-6-0 barely makes into the 30" gauge league (would have to have its drivers reduced to 33" to look OK) and the 2-8-0 is a universal loco, good for anything from 30" to 42" gauge but which only makes the smaller gauge by dint of being a outside-frame loco (read low center of gravity). And just putting O scale hardware on a HO 4-6-0 IMHO will make a loco suitable only for a fairground ride... I'm thinking of a loco lying between the 4-4-0 and the 2-6-0 in size, with all the proper hardware.
Cheers Nicholas
Just out of curiosity, how long is the Tweetsie 4-6-0, including the tender? Then we can figure out how that compares with Bachmann's Mogul and Connie. I get the feeling that it's on the large side for On30, and Bachmann might be more likely to go with a "catalog" engine. This would be my preference, depending on the size. It looks like a slightly entended Mogul.
(http://narrowmind.railfan.net/ARR152/152.jpg)
For what it's worth, one of the guys over at the On30 Conspiracy bashed a nice 4-6-0, using a Mogul-sized boiler and cab, and an HO Tyco 4-6-0 chassis with a new motor. It might sound odd, but it turned out great, and looked completely plausible. And I've seen some great 4-6-0's bashed from Bachmann Moguls, although it looks like this project would be a challenge.
I saw a great On30 mogul made from a Tyco 10 wheeler. It used Tomalco S scale cylinders and main rods. It was remotored and ran like a Swiss watch. The Tyco boiler is tiny and I think it may be out of scale for HO. This was not one of their better ideas.
The Tyco cylinders are tiny. Tomalco S scale parts have long been unavailable so I suppose you could use Grandt Line cylinders.
I don't recall other details but the Tyco 10 wheeler can be a good starting point for a mechanism. There are dozens of them available on Ebay. Just shop around because some Ebay sellers indicate that this engine may be "rare","vintage" and made out of gold.
Regarding length of the Tweetsie 10 Wheeler, I think it is about 53 feet over the couplers, which would make it about 2 inches longer than the 2-8-0. Across the cab and tender it is 8 feet 4 inches. These dimensions were taken from the drawing in Model Railroader July 1981 of number 11. While larger than the existing locomotives, IMHO I don't think it would be so large as to look out of place. Bachmann's cars are based on 3 foot prototypes ( granted older and smaller than many) so basing a locomotive on a 3 foot protoype would not be unreasonable. I would expect that Baldwin would have had a 30 inch version of a 10 wheeler available though.
Best Regards
Jim
Remember, the Tweetsie #12 does not have its original tender to it. The old tender was scrapped due to the fact that tweetsie did not have any shops back in them days, the new tender was built in the 70s and might be slightly longer than the original one, also remember the G-Scale 10-wheelers were based on the Tweetsie engine, so Bachmann should have the messuerments to build the On30 engine.
Rock On & Live Strong
Dusten Barefoot
Well, if the Tweetsie 4-6-0 is longer than the B'mann 2-8-0, then we have a serious issue in hand - the wheelbase. Remember guys that many of us have 18" (or smaller!!) radius curves and that a potential 4-6-0 must go round these curves. If the Tweetsie's wheelbase is longer than that of the 2-8-0, then we'll have a real screecher... The 2-8-0 has a very small wheelbase by comparison, for its size she's a real snake...
Cheers Nicholas
Quote from: Nick_Burman on September 28, 2007, 08:13:05 AM
Yes, small they are, but they are still 3-foot locos with outside driving wheels - just plunking them on On30 track would make them look ridiculous... sort of a green bicicle... ;D the 2-6-0 barely makes into the 30" gauge league (would have to have its drivers reduced to 33" to look OK) and the 2-8-0 is a universal loco, good for anything from 30" to 42" gauge but which only makes the smaller gauge by dint of being a outside-frame loco (read low center of gravity). And just putting O scale hardware on a HO 4-6-0 IMHO will make a loco suitable only for a fairground ride... I'm thinking of a loco lying between the 4-4-0 and the 2-6-0 in size, with all the proper hardware.
Cheers Nicholas
some mighty bold statements there...seems to be some confusion with fact versus opinion :-[
many people think there are a lot of 3' prototype locos that work just fine on 31.25" track thankyouverymuch...if you personally don't want or like that, that's fine, but to say it looks ridiculous is pretty narrow minded (pardon the pun)
in size, a "typical" 3' gauge 4-6-0 would fall right between the 2-6-0 and the Bachmann or MMI 2-8-0, again not unreasonable compared to the Bachmann freight and passenger cars
and O scale hardware on an HO 4-6-0 would not be any more or less "fairground sized" than the forthcoming 4-4-0 (in fact that is what that sized loco is referred to in the Baldwin catalogue...)
if you're interested this is what an On30 4-6-0 might look like:
(http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m85/mransr/planes-trains-autos/no9-bldr-17.jpg)
IMO the oversize Peco ties look a lot odder than the 3' sized loco on rails 4 3/4 inches too narrow ;)
mike
Quote from: Nick_Burman on September 28, 2007, 09:05:58 PM
Well, if the Tweetsie 4-6-0 is longer than the B'mann 2-8-0, then we have a serious issue in hand - the wheelbase. Remember guys that many of us have 18" (or smaller!!) radius curves and that a potential 4-6-0 must go round these curves. If the Tweetsie's wheelbase is longer than that of the 2-8-0, then we'll have a real screecher... The 2-8-0 has a very small wheelbase by comparison, for its size she's a real snake...
Cheers Nicholas
Hi Nicholas, I don't see why the 4-6-0 must go around an 18 inch radius curve. lots of us use a larger radius than 18 inch. Also we need to measure the wheelbase of the 8 coupled locomotive and compare to the wheelbase of the 6 coupled locomotive. The driver area of the 4-6-0 might very well be shorter than the 2-8-0. Aslo don't forget that Bachmann has been very good at altering locomotives to get around very tight radius. The forney can apparently get around a 22 inch radius curve. An On2 Forney would probably need closer to 36 inch, the same as On2 cars if they are based on the Maine prototypes. In summary I don't think it is appropriate to write off a 10 wheeler based on minimum radius, but, I will defend to the death your right to want a different locomotive.
Best Regards
Jim
BTW Mike, Nice looking 10 wheeler
even among ten-wheelers, there can be quite a difference in RIGID wheelbase.RGS 20, the SP locos, and the ETWNC locos are fairly compact--but get a look at a D&RGW T-12--almost room for another driver set in there-- gj
This might help. This is the spec's from the Tweetsie 12, sadly it does not give the tottal length of the engine.
Spec number: C-4169
Type: 10-26D332
Cylinders: 16x22
Boiler diameter: 54", extended wagon top boiler
Firebox dimensions: 95 15/16" long x 23 3/8" wide
Flues: 188 flue tubes, 2" diameter, 12' 1 3/4" long
Heating surface: 116 square feet
Grate area: 15.5 square feet
Ratio to heat surface: 1/84
Wheelbase: driving 10'
Total engine 19' 6"
Engine and tender 46'
Weight on drivers: 80,050 lbs
Wt on front truck: 18,750 lbs
Engine weight: 98,800 lbs
Tender weight: 60,000 lbs loaded
Coal capacity: 4 tons
Water capacity: 3,000 gallons
Tractive effort: 19,100 lbs
Ratio of Adhesion: 4.2
Got'em from the Johnson City Deopt, and by the way, C.Y Crumely sent me
Often, the issue with minimum radius has to do with the swing of the pilot truck. The 4-wheel truck creates more issues with cylinder clearance than a two-wheel truck usually does. The coupled driver wheelbase usually isn't an issue, especially if the center driver is blind (quite common with the prototype, too). In general, Bachmann has been doing models that are proportioned well for 30" gauge, rather than just trying to use a typical 3-foot gauge engine with narrow wheels. The Mogul was a small loco, even for its time, and did well for 30" gauge. The Connie is modeled after a 30" gauge prototype, and the forth-coming 4-4-0 is patterned after a 2-foot gauge prototype. For all these reasons, I kind of doubt that you will see things like EBT Mikes in the On30 line--they just won't look right with the rest of their line and on 30" gauge track. MMI has already brought out the D&RG K's in their line, so I don't think you'll see them in the On30 line any time soon either.
Thanks for the info on the Tweetsie 4-6-0, Jim. It's really hard to judge the relative size of locomotives in photos. It's not as big as I expected, but still pretty large compared to the current batch of Bachmann On30 gear. I think a smaller, more generic 4-6-0 would be more likely from Bachmann.
I am at the point where I would like to see any 4-6-0, 2-8-2 or 2-6-2. Small and generic is good, or a Baldwin 30 inch catalog locomotive. I'd even go for a 2-6-6-2. For those that have old Model Railroaders check out November 1983, it contains a picture and drawing of a beautiful Baldwin 30 inch gauge 2-6-6-2 built for a banana railroad. With tender it would only be about 11 inches long. Right now the only Bachmann locomotive I can use is the 2-8-0 and while I think it is a great locomotive I have almost filled my quota.
Best Regards
Jim
I think that if MMI could build a K-37 in On30 and make that beast squeez :o around a 18" radius, then a ten wheeler would not be out of the question.
besides the K-37 started out as a standard gauge locomotive that was converted to narrow gauge. ???
Royce Wilson
Trainand trooper has just advertised a 8) HOn30 Baldwin 2-6-2 Sandy river and Rangly lake #24 two footer. I persoanally think this Locomotive would make an excellent addition to Bachmanns fine line of 0n30 products. The Mogul seems that it would be a great base for running gear. Just a thought...
Yes a 2-6-2 would be nice. But im a bit worried that all these ideas will be made before a Heisler and i realy want one of them!
I do agree a Heisler would make the Shay and Climax complete no doubt!
What size of Heisler does everyone want?
Royce Wilson
Well,
actually something very similar to the G-Scale Heisler: A more modern one, not too small...
Same about a Shay: A more modern Shay, 2-Truck plus an 3-Truck version would be fine. The T-Boiler Engine is fine, but for me a bit too recent.
Have upgraded two Bachmann Engines with Keith Wiseman´s 1890 and 1920 Boiler/Cab Shells. They look great.
Kind regards, Tom
At this point in time I am kit "bashing" a 0n30 Mogul into a 2-6-2. I guess I cant leave well enough alone. :) Adding a trailing truck and moving the cab back wasn't that difficult at all . with some other modifications & detailing out she should be back up and running with a Soundtraxxs DSD to sweeten the deal. ;)
There is a very nice--looking small 2-6-2 (actually last I heard it was a 2-5-2) at Georgetown. I first saw it at Chama many years ago. Hawaiian loco, with a whaleback tender.
Size wise id say as close to http://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/gallery/album41/abi as they can get it. I would like a choise of Log, Coal or Oil burner and a choise of stacks would be good.
I would very much like the inside frame bogies as i realy dont like the outside framed ones like on the G scale heisler.
Sorry for the dubble post... Ive just spotted this one: http://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/gallery/album41/acu
That doesnt look bad eather.
How about one of those 17 ton Heislers with the straight boiler?
::) ::)Royce Wilson
Size â€" 54 feet long, 8 feet 4 inches wide, 12 feet 6 inches tall
Power â€" Coal-fired, steam generated inside 54 inch-wide steel boiler running under 180 pounds of pressure
Water tank capacity â€" 3,000 gallons
Coal capacity â€" 7 tons
Total working weight with coal and water â€" 82.5 tons
Here is the length of the #12! I hope this might help any of you all out. I would like the boiler on the Heislers to be a high boiler, bachmann hardly has any high boiler engines.
Bachmann, what would be wrong with making the Aussie puffing billy?
Royce Wilson ;D
West Side Lumber Co. locomotives would be great . Also does anybody know where you can get some of these in 0N30 for incase Bachmann never makes any . ::)