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Title: help!!
Post by: jdgrimm on November 23, 2014, 05:56:03 PM
I bought a pacific flyer ho to use as my first train.  I had it running to "break it in" for about two hours.  The train stopped running, know the light on the front comes on but it will not run.  What could be the issue? Again, first train first day :(
Title: Re: help!!
Post by: jbrock27 on November 23, 2014, 06:44:30 PM
Anything hot to the touch?  Like the loco or power pack?
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Post by: jdgrimm on November 23, 2014, 06:45:22 PM
No, nothing
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Post by: jbrock27 on November 23, 2014, 06:57:13 PM
So while the light is on, it does not sound like the motor or wheels are turning or trying to turn?  Any humming?
Do you know how to take the shell off?
Do you have another loco to try on the track and see what happens?
Title: Re: help!!
Post by: jdgrimm on November 23, 2014, 07:03:05 PM
I do not hear anything, this is my first train so I do not know how to take the shell off.  I do not have another ta=rain either but I'm guessing I may have to buy another
Title: Re: help!!
Post by: jbrock27 on November 23, 2014, 07:12:12 PM
If you are saying that bc you feel all is lost with this one, don't yet, as that may be far from the case.
What model and make loco is this?
Title: Re: help!!
Post by: jdgrimm on November 23, 2014, 07:22:50 PM
it is a pacific flyer, just a less expensive one,
bachmann
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Post by: jdgrimm on November 23, 2014, 07:23:55 PM
by the way I certainly appreciate you helping me. 
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Post by: plint on November 23, 2014, 08:16:38 PM
You can always take it back where you bought it.   Let them assume the responsibility. It is THEIR problem if you just got it.
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Post by: jward on November 23, 2014, 08:25:58 PM
pacific flyer has the usra 0-6-0. this locomotive shouldn't have failed after two hours use.
Title: Re: help!!
Post by: jbrock27 on November 24, 2014, 07:15:31 AM
You're more than welcome JD.  I am sorry for your troubles :(.

Let try simple then: is the track dirty?  Are the wheels on the loco dirty?  Have you cleaned either one before?
Title: Re: help!!
Post by: jdgrimm on November 24, 2014, 07:25:11 AM
i did wipe them down after the train failed but no change.  I bought it out of town as we do not have a hobby shop that sell trains.  I'm going to try to get another engine that should help determine if it is the track or the train.  I also am going to contact Bachmann today
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Post by: jward on November 24, 2014, 10:21:17 AM
the fact that the headlight is lit tells me it is not the track. a lit headlight indicates the locomotive is getting power.
Title: Re: help!!
Post by: jbrock27 on November 24, 2014, 10:43:24 AM
Jeff, like I had said, simple first.

I have had an Led light on a loco, but the loco would not move, also indicating power was getting to the loco from the track.  It turned out, the locos's wheels were dirty (as well as the track) and once the wheels were cleaned on the loco, back in action it went.  (As an aside, I do believe the crud was caused by plastic wheelsets and/or the black paint coming off Kadee wheelsets.) 

What have been your suggestions?
Title: Re: help!!
Post by: jdgrimm on November 24, 2014, 05:51:57 PM
No other suggestions besides yours.  I did reach Bachmann today and they said to send it back to them and they would look at it.  Hopefully the fixed or new train gives me the joy that it looks like all on here get from these little trains!!
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Post by: jbrock27 on November 25, 2014, 07:07:10 AM
Good luck w/it.  I hope it all works out for you!
Have a great Thanksgiving!
Title: Re: help!!
Post by: jward on November 26, 2014, 12:25:34 AM
don't let this little setback stop you from enjoying this hobby. for what its worth, you'll probably end up with more locomotives than you know what to do with once the bug hits you.
Title: Re: help!!
Post by: jbrock27 on November 26, 2014, 06:49:58 AM
I've seen that affliction ;)
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Post by: jbrock27 on November 26, 2014, 07:00:32 AM
...and whatever you do, don't ever do this to one of you locos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnPEK0MY_ak&list=UU6xOezaYqdayivNMLRC1CqQ

For a review, FF to 1:14; for what I am saying "don't do", go to 4:20.
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Post by: Joe323 on November 26, 2014, 08:28:53 AM
Yeah not a good idea
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Post by: jbrock27 on November 26, 2014, 09:38:30 AM
I guess the performance bothered him more, than having spent the $135.

Have a great Thanksgiving Joe and Jeff !
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Post by: jward on November 26, 2014, 10:22:03 AM
Quote from: jbrock27 on November 26, 2014, 07:00:32 AM
...and whatever you do, don't ever do this to one of you locos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnPEK0MY_ak&list=UU6xOezaYqdayivNMLRC1CqQ

For a review, FF to 1:14; for what I am saying "don't do", go to 4:20.

I remember mr mayo. he got himself kicked off the old atlas forum several times for causing drama. I wonder if he ever figured out that if the locomotive rocks too much, all you have to do is remove the body and tighten the bolster screws? I guess not......
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Post by: jbrock27 on November 26, 2014, 10:48:02 AM
I would like to see the proof of that, otherwise it is just hearsay.  You were on the Atlas board at one time, no?
Say what you will, but the brother keeps it real.  No reason a $135 loco sold today, should need any adjusting to run properly, by the buyer.  And maybe you did not watch the whole review, but that was not the only problem.
Title: Re: help!!
Post by: jbrock27 on November 26, 2014, 10:56:55 AM
As Jack (ALCO0001) stated:

Quote from: ALCO0001 on November 01, 2014, 03:05:59 PM
Hello,
I fixed the height issue on all of them by shaving down the truck pin , but that leaves a large gap between the worm gear cover rods that hold the truck in, and the frame.Maybe needs a shim and that would take care of the tipping where that torque to the wheels is lost.You know tip the frame and body rather then spin the gears to turn the wheel .I was thinking of a spring at the truck pin to surround the bolster or a o-ring that I believe would make a wider bolster to stop the tip.These things have a lot of torque, but it is not getting to the wheel because of this . I like these engines ,but with these issues it makes a possible great diesel by Bachmann WITH ALL THERE EFFORTS Disappointing that if they were caught before they left the production line a good engine could have been great .But with some ideas this can be fixed to make them what they should be. So what do you think IDEAS?

Jack
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Post by: Trainman203 on November 27, 2014, 11:27:14 PM
I'da given that engine to a kid who would not have cared about minor detail issues.
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Post by: jbrock27 on November 28, 2014, 12:48:37 PM
One person posted the same suggestion to him on the current forum he is on (maybe that was you?)  Many more agreed as he spent his $$, he was free to do what he would with it, even if simply to make a point.  He said he was giving it to a You
Tuber who asked him for it.  And just so you are aware, it was not just a matter of "details".
How about yourself?  You donate and/or give away things?
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Post by: Trainman203 on November 28, 2014, 04:28:22 PM
Whoever was on here previously discussing the right of someone to do what he chooses to do with  things he'd spent his money on, wasn't me, I am very new on this forum.  I agree though, do what you want with your stuff, but there "are" "better" and "worse" things you could do.

Now.  About giving things away ......

We had several young teenage members at one time in a club I was in.

One had no money at all, it was really kind of sad.  With his parents permission, I slowly gave him gave him about 20 or 30 pieces of rolling stock I really didn't need that I'd upgraded past.  Man that kid was beyond thrilled with stuff serous modelers would laugh at.

Another kid was a little better off, but I gave him an almost give away deal on a steam engine with a decoder I didn't care for much, that did not operationally meet my requirements any more.  That kid also was in heaven, should seen him running that thing around blowing the whistle.

Another thing I did for those guys that didn't cost me anything but was treasure to them, was a stockpile a various plastic knuckle couplers I'd saved when replacing with Kadee scale-sized couplers.  Three of those guys were able to completely go knuckle-coupler and skip the "transition" stage discussed earlier.

The same thing with plastic wheels. When converting to metal wheel sets I kept all the better ones for those guys who then were able to get rid of pizza cutter wheels on all of their problem cars..

So ...... How about it?  What have some of you others done for kid modelers?  Some of it is a small expense, some not.  If an engine doesn't run good enough for you, you will never get your money back selling it, but you "could" make someone's day with a gift.  Selling used model railroad equipment is almost never profitable enough to be worth it.....  the intangible value of a well directed gift is beyond words.
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Post by: jbrock27 on November 28, 2014, 04:43:07 PM
TM, I wan't referring to what anyone posted on this forum-I had said it was someone on the forum he (Big Al) is currently on, which is not this one.

Good to know you have some past actions behind your suggestion.  Good on you.  I hope those same kids you helped out, weren't lacking food or clothing, as I see those as infinitely more important than having trains.  I am big supporter of Salvation Army myself, as well as a few other charities.  

I don't sell any any train items as I am with you, I don't see it as a money making proposition.

Title: Re: help!!
Post by: Bucksco on November 28, 2014, 04:49:00 PM
This thread has totally derailed.....