I'm trying to complete the layout from the book HO Railroad From Start to Finish and it seems that some of the products are no longer being made. I've got a list of all the products used in the book and was wondering if anyone could help me out with suggesting either somewhere (besides eBay) to find the particular product, or a suitable alternative that could be used in it's place.
Some of the things (like the Floquil and Poly S Paints) aren't that critical to the layout while others (like the Faller Gravel Tipple and Overhead cranes ) are. Anyways, here is a quick list:
Critical:
Manufacturer Part ID Description
Activa 999 Rigid-Wrap (3 Rolls)
Alexander Scale Models 2705 Chimney
Alloy Forms 2013 corrugated fence kit
Columbia Valley 187 Gas Pumps
Faller 164 overhead cranes (2)
Faller 193 Gravel tipple
Magnuson Models 537 "Practice Kit" store
Model Power 455 Burlington Mills Factory (2)
Wm. K. Walthers 3000 Don's Shoe Store
NON-CRITICAL
Manufacturer Part Number Description
Northeastern 181 1/16"x5/64" stripwood, 24" long (2)
Northeastern 3004 HO 1 X 6s
Northeastern 3012 HO 2 X 4s
Northeastern 3040 HO 6 X 6s
Northeastern 111 0.02" X 0.04"
Northeastern 113 0.02" X 1/16"
Northeastern 115 0.02" X 3/32"
Northeastern 117 0.02" X 5/32" (3)
Northeastern 157 0.04" X 2"
Northeastern 180 1/16" square (2)
Northeastern 231 1/8" square (1)
Northeastern 378 1/16" square clapboard siding (1)
Floquil Paint 130009 Primer Spray, 1 Can
Floquil Paint 110132 SP Lark Dark Grey
Floquil Paint 110009 Primer
Floquil Paint 110011 Reefer White
Floquil Paint 110013 Grimy Black
Floquil Paint 110087 Depot Buff
Floquil Paint 120085 Antique White
Floquil Paint 110081 Earth
Highball ballast 10 Dirt
Highball ballast 124 Cinders (N scale)
Highball ballast 171 Light Brown Earth (fine)
Polly S Paint 500014 Grimy Black
Polly S Paint 410030 Reefer Orange
Polly S Paint 410070 Roof Brown
Polly S Paint 500082 Concrete
Polly S Paint 500011 White
Polly S Paint 500060 Khaki
Polly S Paint 50030-8 Brown
Polly S Paint 501997 Stainless Steel
Polly S Paint Antique White
Polly S Paint 410073 Rust
Polly S Paint Dullcote
Polly S Paint 500030 Blue
Polly S Paint 500051 Grass Green
Polly S Paint 500305 Battleship Grey
Polly S Paint 500820 Earth
Polly S Paint 410011 Reefer White
Polly S Paint 410012 Reefer Grey
Polly S Paint 410020 Caboose Red
Polly S Paint 410031 Reefer Yellow
Polly S Paint 500103 Brown
Polly S Paint 501990 Bright Silver
Polyterrain 146 water gel
Polyterrain 303 matte medium
Polyterrain 833 black acrylic paint
Polyterrain 7007 Mud
Thanks ahead of time for color suggestions and alternatives / locations to find some of this!
Tim
Floquil/Poly-S was bought by Testors and phased out. Some of the colors will eventually be phased into their Model Master line, but no time-line has been announced I'm aware of. The 'Mfg#' below are for Walthers. Even if you end up getting things elsewhere, it's a handy place to look over to see what's available.
The good news is, Tru-Color (Mfg#: 709) has virtually the entire line of railroad colors Floquil/Poly-S had, plus a few they didn't.
Alternatives to the Polyterrain and ballast items are available from Woodland Scenics (Mfg#: 785), and Northeastern Scale Lumber is still around (Mfg#: 521). You may be able to substitute the Faller #130171 Quarry Rail & Truck loader for the Gravel Tipple. "Don's Shoe Store" is out of production, but if you really want a shoe store, 'Smalltown USA' makes Vivian's Shoe Store (699-6013). Most of the other buildings are easily substituted with others that are similar in size.
Model Power is out of business, but DPM (Mfg#243) has an assortment of building kits that could substitute for the kits. In fact, they sell wall module packs that let you design your own buildings.
Len
Model Power acquired by MRC (Model Rectifier Corporation) however Burlington Mills Factory you are looking for not currently offered.
Interesting, I hadn't heard about MRC picking up Model Power. From the few Model Power buildings being offered on the MRC site, I wonder if they got the tooling and will continue production, or if their just selling off existing inventory? There are a few of the MP buildings that worked real well combined with some of the newer Plasticville buildings.
Len
Quote from: Len on February 23, 2015, 12:33:10 AM
From the few Model Power buildings being offered on the MRC site, I wonder if they got the tooling and will continue production, or if their just selling off existing inventory?
MRC is just selling off existing inventory at this point in time as far as I know with the possible exception of one HO locomotive (0-4-0 Shifter I think it was) that went into limited production.
Quote from: Len on February 22, 2015, 11:47:01 PM
Floquil/Poly-S was bought by Testors and phased out. Some of the colors will eventually be phased into their Model Master line, but no time-line has been announced I'm aware of. The 'Mfg#' below are for Walthers. Even if you end up getting things elsewhere, it's a handy place to look over to see what's available.
The good news is, Tru-Color (Mfg#: 709) has virtually the entire line of railroad colors Floquil/Poly-S had, plus a few they didn't.
Alternatives to the Polyterrain and ballast items are available from Woodland Scenics (Mfg#: 785), and Northeastern Scale Lumber is still around (Mfg#: 521). You may be able to substitute the Faller #130171 Quarry Rail & Truck loader for the Gravel Tipple. "Don's Shoe Store" is out of production, but if you really want a shoe store, 'Smalltown USA' makes Vivian's Shoe Store (699-6013). Most of the other buildings are easily substituted with others that are similar in size.
Model Power is out of business, but DPM (Mfg#243) has an assortment of building kits that could substitute for the kits. In fact, they sell wall module packs that let you design your own buildings.
Len
Thanks Len! I was basing some of my information off the Hobbylinc.com website but I do have a copy of Walthers 2015 HO Reference and was able to find some (most) of the northeastern lumber stuff in there. I haven't read the all of the chapters to see how big of an impact not having some things will be, but knowing some alternatives will be helpful. Also helpful knowing some of the acquisitions because lots of times the part #'s stay the same and just the manufacturer changes.
Tim
This takes you directly to Walthers main search page. A good one to bookmark:
http://www.walthers.com/exec/page/search (http://www.walthers.com/exec/page/search)
There's a link over on the right side of the search page to get the manufacturer ID's to use in the search. Or you can bookmark this to go directly to the list:
http://www.walthers.com/exec/manulist (http://www.walthers.com/exec/manulist)
Bachmann's manufacturer ID on Walthers is 160.
Len
So I read the next chapter entitled Clyde's Cycle Center: Your Introduction to the Art of Kitbashing. The idea behind the chapter is to kit bash two buildings to make a bicycle shop for a triangular piece of real estate near the road. The two kits the book uses are Model Power #488 - The Sullivan's House (easy enough to find) and Tyco #7772 Drugstore (hard to find).
So I'm looking for opinions for alternatives to the drugstore. I'm thinking of HO Klein's Pharmacy Wooden Kit by JL Innovative Design --http://www.hobbylinc.com/htm/jli/jli531.htm
Any other corner store suggestions?
Thanks!
Tim
Maybe the City Classics #114 'West End Market' seen here: http://www.cityclassics.biz/market.html (http://www.cityclassics.biz/market.html)
Or use DPM and Small Town USA wall and door sections to design your own building.
Len
So it looks like my post about where to find a track piece was deleted (seems like I've had a few topics deleted, even after there had been replies) anyways, I'm trying to find an Atlas Code 100 #6 Custom Left Hand Turnout to complete my layout. Seems everywhere I look they are out of stock, and was hoping someone might know where I could find one.
Thanks!
Tim
This is actually the BACHMANN forum - a place to discuss BACHMANN products and other manufacturer's products when it is related to BACHMANN products..
Maybe a google search might be a better way to search for other manufacturer's products?
I find it unfortunate and discouraging that BACHMANN feels that way. As someone completely new to the hobby I naively thought that BACHMANN would openly welcome discussion of the hobby regardless of products involved. If thats truly the case, then I would expect not to find discussions about Woodland Scenics, or Faller, or any other manufacturer's products or techniques here.
As it so happens, the piece is for a layout controlled by a BACHMANN controller, but perhaps that will now change.
Quote from: Yardmaster on February 24, 2015, 09:37:48 PM
This is actually the BACHMANN forum - a place to discuss BACHMANN products and other manufacturer's products when it is related to BACHMANN products..
Maybe a google search might be a better way to search for other manufacturer's products?
Sounds like the forum description:
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General Discussion
Feel free to talk about anything train related in this board.
May need to be changed then.
Also, most of us participating in this discussion are aware it actually started back here http://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/board/index.php/topic,28991.msg213620.html#msg213620 (http://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/board/index.php/topic,28991.msg213620.html#msg213620) with Fxguy1 purchasing the bits and pieces of a Bachmann Thomas set and got "...hooked on the idea of model railroads."
Like many beginners, he got ahold of Kalmbach's "HO Model Railroad That Grows", and is trying to follow it exactly. Which is why, when he got to that chapter, he requested help with the list of buildings earlier in this thread. He hasn't learned to use Walthers as a "search engine" yet, and why I made a point of specifically listing Bachmann's Mft#: 160 in my reply.
As for the #6 switch, the reality is EZ-Track's switch geometry, and physical size, often doesn't lend itself to recreating "book" layouts exactly, so other track pieces have to get spliced in to make things work.
So the real question should be, does Bachmann want to discourage beginners because a particular discussion, in a series of discussions, doesn't specifically mention Bachmann?
Len
The purpose of the forum is to discuss model railroading. This thread appears to be a request by the original poster to locate products (most of which are not Bachmann products). Please feel free to talk about "anything train related" but product requests and searches really don't fit that description. The intent is not to discourage a "newbie" the intent is to avoid having the forum become a virtual flea market.
Yardmaster,
I'm not trying to give anyone a hard time, and don't want to see the forum turn into a 'flea market' either. I'm just thinking it might have been better to give the new guy a nudge in the right direction by suggesting, "These Bachmann buildings can substitute for the one's your looking for that are out of production.", rather than dropping the "This is actually the BACHMANN forum" hammer on him.
Or maybe I've watched the original "Miracle on 34th Street" on how to win customers for life too many times.
Len
Yardmaster wrote: - "Maybe a google search might be a better way to search for other manufacturer's products?"
I have to agree 100% with this comment. How many times do people post questions on this board when a simple Google search would given them the answers they are looking for?
Sadly, I think it comes down to people wanting others to do the leg work for them.
Google first, then if you can't find the answer, tell us Google was no help and then all our "experts" will be more than happy to jump in with advice.
Cheers
Roger T.
Quote from: Fxguy1 on February 24, 2015, 09:28:12 PM
Seems everywhere I look they are out of stock, and was hoping someone might know where I could find one.
Thanks!
Tim
1) From the quote above I have performed a google search, hence the "it seems to be out of stock everywhere" comment.
2) As Len points out, I specifically say I cannot find these products at the start of the thread and this is a perfect opportunity to suggest a BACHMANN alternative.
3) There was no intent to make this a "virtual flea market" - more a means to try and reach out to find an item that might be in stock at a local hobby shop that I would otherwise not have known.
4) Also as Len points out, I posted this under the "General Discussion" forum thinking that its a
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General Discussion
Feel free to talk about anything train related in this board. [\quote]
Maybe it should be changed to "General Discussion" Feel free to talk about anything BACHMANN train related in this board.
Fxguy,
One of the problems with books like "HO Railroad That Grows", and many other books aimed at beginners in the hobby, is they were originally written some time ago. In too many cases these means specific items mentioned, e.g., buildings, scenary material, etc., are no longer available. Either because the manufacturer went out of business, or decided to "retire" a particular item. So, as modelers we have to be a bit flexible, and often find what the military supply system refers to as "suitable substitute" to use instead. Aside from using Google! to search for a specific item, Walthers is a great place to search for a particular scales "suitable substitues", as well as specific items. A quick primer:
If you go here: http://www.walthers.com/exec/page/search (http://www.walthers.com/exec/page/search)
Use the pull down to put 'Structures' in the "Category" field
Use the next pull down to put 'HO' in the "Scale" field
Enter 160 in the "Manufacturer" field.
Click on the "Show only in stock items" button.
Change the default "Return 30 results per page" to 300 (Unless you like clicking through pages of stuff)
Click on the "Search" button.
You should get a list of over 60 Bachmann buildings that may be reasonable substitutes for those called for in the book. Or, if you leave the "Manufacturer" field blank, you'll get a list of almost 2,400 structures that are in stock to pick from.
Personally, I like "kit bashing" Bachmann Plasticville buildings with DPM and Small Town USA walls and windows to make something unique.
Len
Quote from: Yardmaster on February 25, 2015, 08:44:27 AM
The purpose of the forum is to discuss model railroading. This thread appears to be a request by the original poster to locate products (most of which are not Bachmann products). Please feel free to talk about "anything train related" but product requests and searches really don't fit that description. The intent is not to discourage a "newbie" the intent is to avoid having the forum become a virtual flea market.
I have to agree with Yardmaster on this one. There are other forums where discussing many HO brands and item to use is OK.