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Title: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: JLK2707 on February 23, 2015, 12:01:23 AM
Bachmann just said that they were going to update James last year? If so, why have no pictures been posted yet?


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: Blackfive1994 on February 23, 2015, 11:40:22 AM
probably not ready yet or was shown at toy fair image, but photographed at incorrect angle or still have old james model on display.


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: ClrwtrMK2 on February 23, 2015, 12:23:19 PM
Either way, A simple re-paint of the old model won't do James any justice. The way I see it, Bachmann should 3D scan the Large Scale Model & scale it down to HO then 3D print it.


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: Blackfive1994 on February 23, 2015, 12:24:59 PM
possibly, but we will have to wait and see, bachmann  already have their wagons full working on HO Oliver, Skarloey and Toad and G Scale WInston and Ice Cream Van plus releasing the Red Branchline Coaches.


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: DoggySporty on February 23, 2015, 08:10:45 PM
If James is repainted, it might only show up on the models themselves.  James' promotional artwork for Bachmann showed is prototype model for many years before it was updated--I don't think it was updated until James came out in G scale.
I guess the best way to find out is to wait for a newly manufactured shipment of James engines.  Easier said than done, unless you work for a model train store that sells him...


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: thomasj219 on February 23, 2015, 09:40:05 PM
Exactly, we just have to wait until someone comes across him. I'm sure BACHMANN wouldn't have mentioned it if it wasn't happening. Just wait and see.... ::)


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: Chaz on February 24, 2015, 02:18:55 AM
Revisions usually happen unannounced.  When Bachmann have updated some of their older products, such as the oil tank and mail car, they remained unannounced and everyone found out about them when someone happened to find them in stores and post pictures/videos online of them.  

Personally, I think everyone should be a little more patient with Bachmann here.  We're already getting a handful of new products from both ranges, plus a narrow gauge range, and we don't even have all of the products that were announced last year like the red coaches and the round water tower.  I say at least wait until the end of this summer before we draw any conclusions.


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: Blackfive1994 on February 25, 2015, 05:35:03 PM
Revisions usually happen unannounced.  When Bachmann have updated some of their older products, such as the oil tank and mail car, they remained unannounced and everyone found out about them when someone happened to find them in stores and post pictures/videos online of them.  

Personally, I think everyone should be a little more patient with Bachmann here.  We're already getting a handful of new products from both ranges, plus a narrow gauge range, and we don't even have all of the products that were announced last year like the red coaches and the round water tower.  I say at least wait until the end of this summer before we draw any conclusions.
that was similar to what i have said.


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: DoggySporty on February 25, 2015, 07:33:22 PM
Revisions usually happen unannounced.  When Bachmann have updated some of their older products, such as the oil tank and mail car, they remained unannounced and everyone found out about them when someone happened to find them in stores and post pictures/videos online of them.  

Personally, I think everyone should be a little more patient with Bachmann here.  We're already getting a handful of new products from both ranges, plus a narrow gauge range, and we don't even have all of the products that were announced last year like the red coaches and the round water tower.  I say at least wait until the end of this summer before we draw any conclusions.
that was similar to what i have said.

Yeah.  Plus I don't think too many people are upset, and those who are will move on soon enough.  Just wait till the first pics of the red coaches/any new product appear...


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: thomasj219 on February 26, 2015, 12:59:08 PM
Revisions usually happen unannounced.  When Bachmann have updated some of their older products, such as the oil tank and mail car, they remained unannounced and everyone found out about them when someone happened to find them in stores and post pictures/videos online of them. 

Personally, I think everyone should be a little more patient with Bachmann here.  We're already getting a handful of new products from both ranges, plus a narrow gauge range, and we don't even have all of the products that were announced last year like the red coaches and the round water tower.  I say at least wait until the end of this summer before we draw any conclusions.
that was similar to what i have said.

What??


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: Cheeky_ULP on February 26, 2015, 02:04:32 PM
Adding black paint to where  James was formerly grey (and hopefully that smokebox support area) isn't really worth them announcing or advertised. It's a fix that, if it's being done, will just pop up in stores one day.

Considering the quality of the range is much better than what it started as, whether the rep is right or wrong doesn't matter; the paint error fixes are long overdue.


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: InsideTrack on March 12, 2015, 04:43:59 PM
Sorry, the repainted James is not going to happen for a few years. We sent new artwork to our factory, but the factory sent us a two years' supply of James locomotives without using the new artwork.


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: DoggySporty on March 12, 2015, 04:49:16 PM
Oh well, at least the other models still look great.  Personally I'd rather James be capable of pulling more than three trucks before having a repaint, but that's just my opinion.  Bill and Ben are still my favorite models!


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: DinoNTrains on March 12, 2015, 06:42:53 PM
Sorry, the repainted James is not going to happen for a few years. We sent new artwork to our factory, but the factory sent us a two years' supply of James locomotives without using the new artwork.

Thank you for the clarification of the James repaint.


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: Chaz on March 12, 2015, 07:39:56 PM
It's a shame that James' updated paint scheme won't actually happen for a few years, but it is at least assuring to know that it will happen eventually.  Glad to hear some actual confirmation on this, looking forward to hearing more news when that time comes.

Better late than never. :)


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: Cheeky_ULP on March 12, 2015, 07:57:17 PM
Sorry, the repainted James is not going to happen for a few years. We sent new artwork to our factory, but the factory sent us a two years' supply of James locomotives without using the new artwork.
Thanks for the insight and update! It's always nice to learn a bit what's going on behind the scenes. Interesting to learn that it almost did happen though.


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: Metal on March 12, 2015, 08:08:52 PM
Oh well, at least the other models still look great.  Personally I'd rather James be capable of pulling more than three trucks before having a repaint, but that's just my opinion.  Bill and Ben are still my favorite models!

I suggest using light oil on the axles of rolling stock, as well as cleaning your track and wheels.  :)


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: Anthony P2 on March 12, 2015, 10:43:01 PM
at least we know the first item for 2017.....


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: DoggySporty on March 13, 2015, 12:14:30 AM
Oh well, at least the other models still look great.  Personally I'd rather James be capable of pulling more than three trucks before having a repaint, but that's just my opinion.  Bill and Ben are still my favorite models!

I suggest using light oil on the axles of rolling stock, as well as cleaning your track and wheels.  :)

James is still the only engine I've had a problem with, and I've had two models--I never bought a third one.  Maybe just my bad luck, though.  After a few months I've had some engines face the same problem but I think they just need lubrification.
One thing I've never had a problem with, with any engine including James, is having trains fall off the track, even though this seems to be a common claim around the net.  Probably just because people set up their track on uneven carpets though!


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: Cheeky_ULP on March 30, 2015, 01:20:50 AM
Thinking back to what InsideTrack said, I wonder how difficult it would be to show the factory the artwork that the large scale brake van is using, and apply it to the OO/HO brake van.
(http://www2.gpmd.com/imagel/b/lbacu6060.jpg)
(http://www.gscaleonline.co.uk/WebRoot/Store2/Shops/es116894_shop/50FE/7790/18B6/E9C0/F851/0A0F/110C/B62E/P1050151.JPG)
It would be one heck of an improvement, and rekindle interest in a product that a lot of people have forgotten about.


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: JLK2707 on March 30, 2015, 07:44:08 PM
I just wonder why the factory ignored the plans for the new James model in HO scale....


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: Anthony P2 on March 31, 2015, 12:03:14 PM
well it looks like the little blue buckeroo now has a modified electrical pick up system https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnkSZWshrUY


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: JLK2707 on April 01, 2015, 03:00:58 AM
But you can still just repaint James yourself!:)


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: Ken Clark on April 01, 2015, 11:26:15 AM
Thinking back to what InsideTrack said, I wonder how difficult it would be to show the factory the artwork that the large scale brake van is using, and apply it to the OO/HO brake van.
[It would be one heck of an improvement, and rekindle interest in a product that a lot of people have forgotten about.

     Or you could go to Bachmann UK, and take a look at the OO scale brake vans they already offer  in there freight car line up.

   Ken Clark
     GWN


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: Griffin (TheBlueSnowplow) on April 01, 2015, 12:39:02 PM
I am honestly surprised that a LOT of the merchandising lines (looking at you too Bachmann!) didn't repaint Thomas and James in TAB livery...not a tough process and I am sure they would sell like crazy!


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: thomasj219 on April 01, 2015, 03:10:06 PM
You have to understand these are electric trains not wooden or track master. And repaints aren't guarented to sell just because of the high price of the engines. It's a bit different from the other ranges.


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: Cheeky_ULP on April 01, 2015, 07:10:54 PM
Thinking back to what InsideTrack said, I wonder how difficult it would be to show the factory the artwork that the large scale brake van is using, and apply it to the OO/HO brake van.
[It would be one heck of an improvement, and rekindle interest in a product that a lot of people have forgotten about.

     Or you could go to Bachmann UK, and take a look at the OO scale brake vans they already offer  in there freight car line up.

   Ken Clark
     GWN
I have some, but it would be nice to have a Thomas themed version for the US market as well. Sadly not everyone knows about websites such as eHattons.


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: Ken Clark on April 02, 2015, 10:13:53 PM


      Just took a look at the Bachmann HO Thomas products, and they offer the brake van
   for the Thomas line.

   Ken Clark
     GWN


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: Cheeky_ULP on April 02, 2015, 11:03:04 PM
Yes I know, that's the one I'm referring to being repainted to look like the Large Scale version.


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: GTPS2 on April 06, 2015, 06:06:14 PM
Sorry, the repainted James is not going to happen for a few years. We sent new artwork to our factory, but the factory sent us a two years' supply of James locomotives without using the new artwork.

So what you're saying is that We're not gonna see a photo of the updated James this year?


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: Edward2Fan47 on April 15, 2015, 06:36:55 PM
I hope this 2017 model update would include front couplings and I also hope they would include a sound-chipped James a year after the release date.


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: Jacob Wilson on October 30, 2015, 01:28:26 PM
Why does Bachmann James need updating? What's wrong with it as it is now?


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: JLK2707 on November 01, 2015, 03:44:50 AM
Because they obviously just want to have James look more like his large scale counterpart.


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: Jacob Wilson on November 01, 2015, 07:30:05 AM
^ Above 1 Reply - @Reply #32 By JLK2707: Does that mean Bachmann James is too tall and large? I am only asking this as I do not own Bachmann James.


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: Chaz on November 02, 2015, 03:38:09 AM
James has a number of paint errors including part of the smokebox, the wheels, and axleboxes which all should be black.


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: Jacob Wilson on November 02, 2015, 03:48:10 AM
James has a number of paint errors including part of the smokebox, the wheels, and axleboxes which all should be black.

What do you mean by paint errors? Is the red too dark of something?


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: Chaz on November 02, 2015, 03:56:12 AM
No, part of the smokebox is red when it should be black while the wheels and axleboxes are gray when they should also be black.


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: Jacob Wilson on November 02, 2015, 04:02:13 AM
No, part of the smokebox is red when it should be black while the wheels and axleboxes are gray when they should also be black.
Oh, dear. Did Bachmann design James to be like that, or is it a recent factory production error?


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: Chaz on November 02, 2015, 04:04:46 AM
That's how the model was designed back in 2002 and it remained that way since.


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: Jacob Wilson on November 02, 2015, 04:10:23 AM
That's how the model was designed back in 2002 and it remained that way since.

I can't understand why Bachmann want to re-design their James for now, then. If people have been able to put up with it like that since 2002, why are Bachmann spending more money changing the way James looks over 13 years later?


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: Chaz on November 02, 2015, 12:10:38 PM
That's how the model was designed back in 2002 and it remained that way since.

I can't understand why Bachmann want to re-design their James for now, then. If people have been able to put up with it like that since 2002, why are Bachmann spending more money changing the way James looks over 13 years later?

Believe me, not a whole lot of people "put up with it", it's been an ongoing complaint about the James model for several years.  The revisions on James have been in demand for a long time and have been long overdue for most fans.  Bachmann wouldn't be spending more money on improving James' paint scheme, revisions have happened before with rolling stock and the prices haven't gone up.  If they did a completely new tooling for James, then they would be spending extra money on the model, which at this point isn't going to happen anytime soon. 


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: Jacob Wilson on November 02, 2015, 12:42:13 PM
That's how the model was designed back in 2002 and it remained that way since.

I can't understand why Bachmann want to re-design their James for now, then. If people have been able to put up with it like that since 2002, why are Bachmann spending more money changing the way James looks over 13 years later?

Believe me, not a whole lot of people "put up with it", it's been an ongoing complaint about the James model for several years.  The revisions on James have been in demand for a long time and have been long overdue for most fans.  Bachmann wouldn't be spending more money on improving James' paint scheme, revisions have happened before with rolling stock and the prices haven't gone up.  If they did a completely new tooling for James, then they would be spending extra money on the model, which at this point isn't going to happen anytime soon. 

I can see that there is something wrong with Bachmann James, but too me it is only a small issue, and the Thomas & Friends range is aimed at young children, so I doubt this would be a problem to them at all. To be honest with you, I don't own Bachmann James, but until you told me about this design issues, I have never noticed them.


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: Cheeky_ULP on November 02, 2015, 12:57:55 PM
In my opinion, the motor is underpowered too, especially when you compare it to the motors in Bachmanns newest models like Duck and Diesel.

I still have fingers crossed that someday Bachmann may be able to squeeze from their budget full blown rebuilds to Thomas, Percy and James to be on-standard with their newest generation of Thomas engines. With the majority of the core classic characters now in OO scale, I wouldn't mind them taking a break, but time will tell. Chances are they already know what their 2016 plans are.


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: Metal on November 02, 2015, 01:13:21 PM
I would say that while Bachmann is targeting their range towards a younger audience, they've broadened it's aimed appeal without needing to go outside of their target demographic.

The kids are enjoying the returning classic characters. Heck, my nephew asked if I've had a Bachmann Duck. (Which I don't).
While there's a handful CGI characters that are widely appealing to the older fans. (e.g Paxton, Hiro.)

For Classic Characters they just need Daisy and Boco to fill the HO/OO marketing gap.


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: Jacob Wilson on November 02, 2015, 01:18:56 PM
In my opinion, the motor is underpowered too, especially when you compare it to the motors in Bachmanns newest models like Duck and Diesel.

I still have fingers crossed that someday Bachmann may be able to squeeze from their budget full blown rebuilds to Thomas, Percy and James to be on-standard with their newest generation of Thomas engines. With the majority of the core classic characters now in OO scale, I wouldn't mind them taking a break, but time will tell. Chances are they already know what their 2016 plans are.

Well, Bachmann James was released in 2002, along with Thomas and Percy, so Bachmann at the time was adventuring into a new range, and aiming the products at young children and trying to bring them into the World of Model Railways, so we can't expect Thomas, Percy and James to be perfect and spot on with the detail of them and and how they look.


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: Chaz on November 02, 2015, 01:20:09 PM

the Thomas & Friends range is aimed at young children, so I doubt this would be a problem to them at all

I would say that while Bachmann is targeting their range towards a younger audience, they've broadened it's aimed appeal without needing to go outside of their target demographic.


The Thomas range isn't strictly aimed at children.  If it were, we wouldn't keep getting classic characters, resin buildings, or an HOe narrow gauge line with products listed as "14+" on the packaging.  Thomas obviously has an appeal for children, but when it comes to some of Bachmann's recent products, I'd say the older fanbase has made an impact on what Bachmann have announced or made.  


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: Jacob Wilson on November 02, 2015, 01:22:00 PM
It's a shame that James' updated paint scheme won't actually happen for a few years, but it is at least assuring to know that it will happen eventually.  Glad to hear some actual confirmation on this, looking forward to hearing more news when that time comes.

Better late than never. :)

How do you know that Bachmann James is not going to have an updated paint scheme?


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: Cheeky_ULP on November 02, 2015, 01:24:11 PM
I think first and foremost, Bachmann is aiming at the people who have wallets, which are parents and older fans. Most kids like the selection of characters already available, and characters like Bill, Ben, Donald, Douglas, Duck, and Oliver are in the CGI series now, so everything balances out pretty well in terms of the target audiences for the Bachmann range.

It's a shame that James' updated paint scheme won't actually happen for a few years, but it is at least assuring to know that it will happen eventually.  Glad to hear some actual confirmation on this, looking forward to hearing more news when that time comes.

Better late than never. :)

How do you know that Bachmann James is not going to have an updated paint scheme?
Bachmann already confirmed there was a communication goof with China when they sent new paint artwork for them to use for James.


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: Jacob Wilson on November 02, 2015, 01:30:44 PM
That's how the model was designed back in 2002 and it remained that way since.

I can't understand why Bachmann want to re-design their James for now, then. If people have been able to put up with it like that since 2002, why are Bachmann spending more money changing the way James looks over 13 years later?

Believe me, not a whole lot of people "put up with it", it's been an ongoing complaint about the James model for several years.  The revisions on James have been in demand for a long time and have been long overdue for most fans.  Bachmann wouldn't be spending more money on improving James' paint scheme, revisions have happened before with rolling stock and the prices haven't gone up.  If they did a completely new tooling for James, then they would be spending extra money on the model, which at this point isn't going to happen anytime soon. 

I can see that it is an on going problem, I just mean that it just seems odd Bachmann have taken so long to re-design James if they had so many complaints.


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: Jacob Wilson on November 02, 2015, 01:35:37 PM
I would say that while Bachmann is targeting their range towards a younger audience, they've broadened it's aimed appeal without needing to go outside of their target demographic.

The kids are enjoying the returning classic characters. Heck, my nephew asked if I've had a Bachmann Duck. (Which I don't).
While there's a handful CGI characters that are widely appealing to the older fans. (e.g Paxton, Hiro.)

For Classic Characters they just need Daisy and Boco to fill the HO/OO marketing gap.

When I said the Thomas & Friends range is aimed at a young audience, I meant that in the way that Thomas & Friends generally is made for children and Hornby and Bachmann produce Thomas & Friends ranges to bring younger people into Model Railways. This how I look at it as why they both have Thomas & Friends licenses but there are also adult Collectors out there too. I am 19-years-old now, I will admit I am one of those people. I have intention of ending my Thomas & Friends Collection in OO and HO Gauge.


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: Jacob Wilson on November 02, 2015, 01:42:48 PM

the Thomas & Friends range is aimed at young children, so I doubt this would be a problem to them at all

I would say that while Bachmann is targeting their range towards a younger audience, they've broadened it's aimed appeal without needing to go outside of their target demographic.


The Thomas range isn't strictly aimed at children.  If it were, we wouldn't keep getting classic characters, resin buildings, or an HOe narrow gauge line with products listed as "14+" on the packaging.  Thomas obviously has an appeal for children, but when it comes to some of Bachmann's recent products, I'd say the older fanbase has made an impact on what Bachmann have announced or made.  

I do know this, but as I pointed out, some of the Models are child-friendly which will help them to grow up into a Model Railway atmosphere. I do admit, if it was not for the Hornby Thomas & Friends range, I am not sure if I would be interested in Model Railway's, but as I have grown up, I have ended up collecting it too!


Title: Re: Bachmann James ho scale update 2015
Post by: Jacob Wilson on November 02, 2015, 01:45:11 PM
I think first and foremost, Bachmann is aiming at the people who have wallets, which are parents and older fans. Most kids like the selection of characters already available, and characters like Bill, Ben, Donald, Douglas, Duck, and Oliver are in the CGI series now, so everything balances out pretty well in terms of the target audiences for the Bachmann range.

It's a shame that James' updated paint scheme won't actually happen for a few years, but it is at least assuring to know that it will happen eventually.  Glad to hear some actual confirmation on this, looking forward to hearing more news when that time comes.

Better late than never. :)

How do you know that Bachmann James is not going to have an updated paint scheme?
Bachmann already confirmed there was a communication goof with China when they sent new paint artwork for them to use for James.

Clearly they are, as there are people who collect Thomas & Friends products in Model Railways.