This is a new forum, so I thought I would mention an idea of mine that some people were talking about on the old forum. My idea would be an Southern Pacific 4-10-2 for the Spectrum line of Bachmann. Some people didn't like the idea of a 4-12-2, because of the amount of wheels, which may not be able to take curves well. So I figure I would go a little less wheels and mention the 4-10-2. The engine has 3 cylinders. The 3rd cylinder and 3rd cylinder drive rod crank is located behind the pilot. This is an O scale picture of the engine:
(http://www.3rdrail.com/images/sp4102.jpg)
(http://www.3rdrail.com/images/sp4102gresley.jpg)
Count me in - I'd love to see a couple of these on my layout.
Robin
I personally would like a 4-12-2 more, but a 4-10-2 still fits...
As I stated earlier, Imagine not having anything within 3" of the tracks...
lol.
Yes. Both would be nice. I'm guessing that a 4-10-2 would probably be more likely for Bachmann to build though.
Wouldn't a 4-10-2 be more-likely to appear in a BLI ad? So far Bachmann has, with the exception of the K4s only opted for fairly generic(nee USRA) locos; the 2-8-0 is half I.C./half free-lance- there simply was no Consol. that covered several railroads. The 4-4-0 and 4-6-0 are both "catalog" engines. The upcoming "F" K27 is narrow gauge- and, as we all know- th' rules just don't apply... The 4-10-2 was used by both the S.P. and the U.P. The other thing is, my guess is that Bachmann most-likely believes it has performed its due diligence as far as 10-coupled engines are concerned... with the Light 2-10-2... I once suggested a B&A-NYC/Mich Cent/B&M/SP/ICRR/and more... Early Superpower 2-8-4- it's the original version of the NKP/C&O Pere Marquette(covered by Walthers/Proto 2k)Berk. And, don't forget: Ain't a passenger engine in sight- 4-6-2 or 4-6-4. The Spectrum K4 is both the exception, plus it demonstrates my thesis regarding 'coverage' Who would decal a K4 in Rio Grande or even B. & O. livery? A nice USRA would fit a lot of things... All those southern railroads, midwestern railroads, the B. & O.... not to mention all those Just Me and Pacific freelance outfits running out there.
Whatelse...?? Here ya go! How about a Sierra #38 2-6-6-2? Yeah... Mantua covered it- sorta- but a full-on, high-quality logging Mallet like the #38... I'd buy three or four! After these 4-4-0s, I think they're looking for a Big un. Although, I'd love to see a Mogul- a Wabash, maybe? Actually, I'd love to see an outfit like Bachmann take on the Yosemite Valley roster! Wow! Personally, I think it'd be brilliant! No One would buy JUST ONE!!!
Food for thought, anyway...
Jim Snyder
Hey Jim, the 4-8-2 began life as passenger engine. Until the very end of steam on the C&O, they Mountains were used only as passenger engines. N&W even streamlined a lot of theirs to resemble their 4-8-4 Class J.
But I agree - a good 4-6-2 or 4-6-4 would be nice.
Gene
P.S. Anybody figured out how to add a signature tag?
Quote from: SteamGene on February 03, 2007, 08:59:43 AM
Hey Jim, the 4-8-2 began life as passenger engine. Until the very end of steam on the C&O, they Mountains were used only as passenger engines. N&W even streamlined a lot of theirs to resemble their 4-8-4 Class J.
But I agree - a good 4-6-2 or 4-6-4 would be nice.
Gene
P.S. Anybody figured out how to add a signature tag?
I thought you could do that by going into your profile and adding it there?
But then the older I get the more I become used to having to learn things all over again.
Cheers,
Rich R
Joe, it does seam like something along the lines of BLI producing it... But then the sound wouldn't be good and the price would be jacked up :-[ :'(
Quote from: Hoople on February 03, 2007, 07:22:58 PM
Joe, it does seam like something along the lines of BLI producing it... But then the sound wouldn't be good and the price would be jacked up :-[ :'(
I'll have to agree with Hoople. If BLI made a 4-10-2, it would cost too much.
I think its a great idea for an engine. Or some other 3 Cylinder engine besides a Shay. I know Alton & Southern had a 3 cylinder 0-8-0 switcher. I think I can find a photo:
(http://www.steamlocomotive.com/3cylinder/as12.jpg)
A 3 cylinder 0-8-0?
Somebody needs a TON of power in thier yard...
If they really did, they'ed get that wierd mantua 0-10-0 for 50% off at my LHS...
Quote from: joegideon on February 03, 2007, 05:24:40 AM
Who would decal a K4 in Rio Grande or even B. & O. livery?
Didn't the N&W buy some Pennsy K's. That would be an option
(http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/users/43cedc04z2fe9c9da/215dre2/__sr_/29f5re2.jpg?phgOWxFBYxqca8fG)
(http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/users/43cedc04z2fe9c9da/215dre2/__sr_/e06cre2.jpg?phgOWxFB.OhhBt.Q)
Quote from: Hoople on February 03, 2007, 10:57:20 PM
A 3 cylinder 0-8-0?
Somebody needs a TON of power in thier yard...
If they really did, they'ed get that wierd mantua 0-10-0 for 50% off at my LHS...
Whats LHS?
"LHS" is Local Hobby Shop"
The N&W apparently did have some Pennsy Pacifics, but not the K-4. But Virginian would know best.
Gene
Quote from: Trains Again on February 04, 2007, 01:14:43 AM
Quote from: Hoople on February 03, 2007, 10:57:20 PM
A 3 cylinder 0-8-0?
Somebody needs a TON of power in thier yard...
If they really did, they'ed get that wierd mantua 0-10-0 for 50% off at my LHS...
Whats LHS?
I remember asking that a few weeks ago. I find it a handy little term.
So what does the Bach-Man or another Admin have to say about these ideas?
He's already said. Not in the plans.
Gene
Gene mentioned the 4-8-2's being strictly passenger engines on the C&O, and that is correct. Same was true on the B&O. But on the NYC, PRR and dozen or so other roads in the east, Mountains where truely the first dual service locos and paved the way for the superpower northern concept. On NYC most of the freight trains going up the Hudson where pulled by their 4-8-2's which they caled Mohawk's.
And Bachmann has blessed us with two great Mountains and good selection of different tenders to go behind them. My Atlantic central has a large fleet of USRA heavy Mountains, some oil fired and some coal fired.
As others have said, we still need more 2-8-0's, 2-8-2's, 4-6-2's, these where the work a day locos of most railroads even to the end.
A few other ideas instead of giant wheelbase western power.
How about the DT&I super power Mikado?, these where just as powerful as the Lima Berk's.
Or any of the great Atlantics that moved name passenger trains all through the teens and twenties and then moved commuters and locals in the 30's, 40's and 50's.
Or what about a modern large boilered ten wheeler?
But we have enough Northerns and other long wheelbase, large drivered western monsters.
Sheldon
Quote from: SteamGene on February 06, 2007, 07:30:55 AM
He's already said. Not in the plans.
Gene
Not in the plans? Well the plans aren't set in stone...
Quote from: Hoople on February 06, 2007, 10:59:53 AM
Quote from: SteamGene on February 06, 2007, 07:30:55 AM
He's already said. Not in the plans.
Gene
Not in the plans? Well the plans aren't set in stone...
This is true. Things change all the time in the model railroad business. From my understanding, Bachmann (I thought) is suppose to listen to what the community wants. Or am I thinking of Dell Computers? lol ;-)
Quote from: atlanticcentral on February 06, 2007, 09:51:36 AM
Gene mentioned the 4-8-2's being strictly passenger engines on the C&O, and that is correct. Same was true on the B&O. But on the NYC, PRR and dozen or so other roads in the east, Mountains where truely the first dual service locos and paved the way for the superpower northern concept. On NYC most of the freight trains going up the Hudson where pulled by their 4-8-2's which they caled Mohawk's.
And Bachmann has blessed us with two great Mountains and good selection of different tenders to go behind them. My Atlantic central has a large fleet of USRA heavy Mountains, some oil fired and some coal fired.
As others have said, we still need more 2-8-0's, 2-8-2's, 4-6-2's, these where the work a day locos of most railroads even to the end.
A few other ideas instead of giant wheelbase western power.
How about the DT&I super power Mikado?, these where just as powerful as the Lima Berk's.
Or any of the great Atlantics that moved name passenger trains all through the teens and twenties and then moved commuters and locals in the 30's, 40's and 50's.
Or what about a modern large boilered ten wheeler?
But we have enough Northerns and other long wheelbase, large drivered western monsters.
Sheldon
I was talking more about the 4-10-2. Not the 4-8-2. Bachmann already has plenty of those.
I also mentioned an Alton & Southern 0-8-0 would be nice. They had 3 cylinders which would make it an interesting 0-8-0.
Dear Trains Again,
Exactly what I said last time: not a likely candidate for mass production.
Have fun,
the Bach-man
This is why BLI would produce it. Maybe if they did, we could get a nice stealth one and upgrade to sound or something.
Quote from: Hoople on February 08, 2007, 10:56:24 AM
This is why BLI would produce it. Maybe if they did, we could get a nice stealth one and upgrade to sound or something.
BLI comes with sound. Just to let you know also.....I just got an email back from BLI, and they said that they have plans for a 4-12-2, but don't know when they will start building it :-D
Mr. Bachmann: What about the Alton & Southern 0-8-0?
>>Wouldn't a 4-10-2 be more-likely to appear in a BLI ad?<<
Perhaps... I have their AC-5, a beautiful model indeed. So I signed-in for their AC-12. That was many months ago. Until recently, this model was due sometimes in second half of 1Q, the Walthers site said Feb 15. Suddenly, the BLI site bumped it to "TBD", and now Walthers indicates a tentative Oct 2008!!
I really hate manufacturers that take reservations, to later say that the model may in fact never be released (well, BLI does not say it -that- way, but who will be patient enough to hold his reservation that long?). I could read somewhere that InterMountain's same model may have killed BLI's. Bottomline being that Southern Pacific aficionados that were counting on BLI's model may be too late now to switch to IM's one, and so may not get any AC-12 at all ever. Crazy, isn't it?
As for the 4-10-2, I have the one from Westside Models. A beauty, but I fear it is beyond any modeler's capability to open such a brass model to convert it to DCC. Me first, I would never dare to just open the model, I would be too afraid I can't put the body back on the chassis.
Any advice on this? Would it be simpler if I consider swapping the original Westside tender with a Bachmann one?
Thank you,
Phil
Phil87,
You'd still have to isolate the motor. Most brass steam I'm familiar with is extremely easy to open. There are two small screws just below the cab and one big screw which either goes up into the smoke box from the frame or down the smoke stack into the frame. Piece of cake.
Gene
Quote from: Trains Again on February 09, 2007, 01:59:34 AM
Quote from: Hoople on February 08, 2007, 10:56:24 AM
This is why BLI would produce it. Maybe if they did, we could get a nice stealth one and upgrade to sound or something.
BLI comes with sound. Just to let you know also.....I just got an email back from BLI, and they said that they have plans for a 4-12-2, but don't know when they will start building it :-D
Mr. Bachmann: What about the Alton & Southern 0-8-0?
I can wait. Let's hope it's got a few blind drivers...
And BLI does come without sound. That's what the "Stealth Series" is.
And there's always Trainworld....
I'll put my 'vote' with Jim ('joegideon') regarding the 'early superpower Berks' that several roads used (including the ICRR) in at least a couple different versions.
The only HO ICRR 2-8-4s out there that I am aware of are brass and way, way out of my price range. A Spectrum 2-8-4 in the early version style would be a great idea in my opinion... and I think would have application to lots of railroads.
... 'course, so would Harriamn style 2-8-2s and 4-6-2's, as well as the ability to buy any number of the wonderful Spectrum Conso cabs which are very ICRR in looks and dimensions (for kit bashing projects)! :-)
Sorry, Mr. Bach Man, I know I've mentioned the Harrimans and the Conso cabs about 400 times. Please excuse my repetition! :-)
lanny nicolet
Quote from: SteamGene on February 04, 2007, 12:57:40 PM
"LHS" is Local Hobby Shop"
The N&W apparently did have some Pennsy Pacifics, but not the K-4. But Virginian would know best.
Gene
The N&W bought some PRR K3 4-6-2 and classified them E3. They were scrapped in 1945/46.
There was a long series of articles in Model Railroading (MRG) magazine several years ago on converting a Spectrum K4 into a N&W E3 (could also be followed to make a PRR K3).
The N&W used thier streamlined K2 and K2a 4-8-2 (USRA Heavy and copies) on both frieght and passenger trains.
I know of only two 4-8-2s made by Bachmann, the light and heavy version of the USRA variety. IHC also makes a model of the C&O J-2, their railroad rebuild of the USRA heavy 4-8-2, but with many road names and a rectangular tender on some of the versions. Bachmann does have several varieties of the USRA heavy Mountain, as shopped by various railroads.
So we really aren't overrun with "inexpensive" HO Mountains.
In addition, almost all non-brass 2-8-2s and 4-6-2s are the USRA models. This is somewhat understandable, as a C&O F-19 and a Southern Ps-4 were both heavy Pacifics, but they really didn't look anything alike. However, to keep Lanny from mentioning it 401 times, there is the Harriman design for the western folk.
Gene
Yea Gene! Hear, hear! :-)
(that doesn't count as '402' :-)
lanny nicolet
I like big steam, but we need to face the facts. Like the prototype, many railroad never had anything bigger than a 2-8-2. The Santa Fe was large railroad with only 100 or so 4-8-4s, 2 -10-4s and large 4-6-4s. A large part of the Santa Fe never saw any of these locomotives. Most of us will never have a layout big enought to run big steam with 100 car trains. What most modelers need is mid size steam. A good 2-6-2, 0-6-0, 2-8-2 or 4-6-2.