if there is a spectrum 2-8-8-4 do you think an ho scale big boy can be a possibility? even though big boys are made by other manufacturers i think a spectrum line big boy would be interesting
There is a big difference between offering an EM-1 and the locomotive you want. The EM-1 was not made aside from brass, where as many companies make and have made the 4-8-8-4, making the likelihood that it is made by Bachmann effectively non-existent. It could happen at some point in time but not in the next 5 years. Perhaps 15-20 years from now, perhaps never. Bachmann can't make something without being 100% certain it will yield a profit, so with all the competition from other manufacturers they will likely not have any plans to make it at this time or in the next 5-10 years.
I would much rather see Bachmann invest their money on something unique. big boys have been done to death. perhaps a challenger would be better?
I would love to see a Beyer Garratt 2-8-0+0-8-2
From the Articulated engine front, I would love to see some other types of Yellowstone engines other than the B&O EM-1. For example the DMIR M3 and M4 classes (of which the ONLY 3 remaining 2-8-8-4s in North America are DMIR M3 class #225 and 227 and M4 class #229) or the Northern Pacific originals.
While not a Beyer-Garratt 2-8-0+0-8-2, E.Hattons / Heljen offer a B-G LMS 2-6-0+0-6-2 in
OO scale. It runs flawlessly with dual motors, DCC plug in. I did upset E Hattons when I suggested I may repaint it for the Canadian Pacific Railway though! <G>. The scale difference between HO & OO is not noticeable with a consist of HO cars.
Ken Clark
GWN
i guess that it would be kind of pointless for there to be a big boy, but i would like to see a hudson, specifically a cp royal hudson.
because i am canadian would like to see more canadian steamers, like the u2g in mass production. usually models like that are brass and it seems like they are extremely hard to find anywhere. i went to the parts store and saw a shell for a 4-8-4 that was named 'canadian overland'. does anyone know about this model?
Quote from: sedfred on April 18, 2015, 11:18:01 AM
i guess that it would be kind of pointless for there to be a big boy, but i would like to see a hudson, specifically a cp royal hudson.
A locomotive such as this would more likely be produced by a company such as Broadway Limited, if it was made, expect to pay in the range of $700-$800 for such a locomotive due to the limited run it would have to be produced in.
Quote from: sedfred on April 18, 2015, 11:22:21 AM
because i am canadian would like to see more canadian steamers, like the u2g in mass production. usually models like that are brass and it seems like they are extremely hard to find anywhere. i went to the parts store and saw a shell for a 4-8-4 that was named 'canadian overland'. does anyone know about this model?
The main problem is 99% of Bachmann's (North America) customer base resides in the United States, because of this it does not usually lend itself to producing models based off of Canadian prototypes since most locomotives in the United States were not based off of them. A huge percentage of Bachmann's customer base lies on the Eastern Seaboard, in Chicago, in Texas, and in Southern California, so as a result nearly all their products will appeal to one or more of those groups. Canada is barely a drop in the bucket compared to major US cities like New York and Los Angeles. Perhaps look into contacting Rapido since they are known for producing models based on Canadian prototypes.
make 4-12-2 all tho are brass and cost $$$$$
Quote from: union pacific 4014 on April 18, 2015, 12:08:40 PM
make 4-12-2 all tho are brass and cost $$$$$
Soooo' the one just brought out by BLI doesn't count? Lol
i also want to know about this canadian overland shell, at what point in time did bachmann make a cn northern?
Quote from: GN.2-6-8-0 on April 18, 2015, 01:06:39 PM
Quote from: union pacific 4014 on April 18, 2015, 12:08:40 PM
make 4-12-2 all tho are brass and cost $$$$$
Soooo' the one just brought out by BLI doesn't count? Lol
Or the one made by MTH a couple years ago?
Quote from: sedfred on April 18, 2015, 03:51:57 PM
i also want to know about this canadian overland shell, at what point in time did bachmann make a cn northern?
Bachmann never made one that was correct to prototype at one point Bachmann had a 4-8-4 lettered for a Canadian roadname but it was incorrect for the Canadian prototype. It was an American 4-8-4 with a Canadian road name on it.
So in short Bachmann never made an actual (Canadian prototype) CN Northern.
Quote from: MilwaukeeRoadfan261 on April 18, 2015, 06:21:49 PM
Quote from: GN.2-6-8-0 on April 18, 2015, 01:06:39 PM
Quote from: union pacific 4014 on April 18, 2015, 12:08:40 PM
make 4-12-2 all tho are brass and cost $$$$$
Soooo' the one just brought out by BLI doesn't count? Lol
Or the one made by MTH a couple years ago?
LOL Does that one really even count??? LOL
Just because puts a manufacturer puts a road name on the side of a locomotive, or even a freight or passenger car for that matter, doesn't mean it's prototypically correct. It's just a marketing tool to sell more product to a wider audience.
It's mainly a North American market trait, it's almost unknown in other markets.
Cheers
Roger T.
Man, Some one count all the HO scale Big Boys ever made. Haven't there been enough? I think one of the Bach Man's competitors has one out right now.
Articulated engines simply don't look good or run right on 99 percent of all layouts. Mr Bach Man, when new steam engine offerings are considered, please consider 2-8-0 and smaller engines that look good and run good on most of our layouts. The Alco mogul, though I quibbled often about it, was a good choice for overall size and fit on home layouts.
I wish there was some kind of pill or antidote we could give the folks afflicted with G.E.S. (Giant Engine Syndrome ) :D.
If we absolutely "must" have a new Malley offered, it would be great to have one of the very early (1910 or so) 2-6/6-2's or 2-8-8-0's with the high mounted headlight and arched cab windows typical of the period. I don't think anyone ever has, and such an engine might actually make it around a 15" radius curve like a lot of folks seem to need. :D
Quote from: rogertra on April 18, 2015, 10:26:19 PM
It's mainly a North American market trait, it's almost unknown in other markets.
Cheers
Roger T.
Don't care to much for Americans now do ya ??? :D
How about something that most modelers can run. A nice 0-6-0, 2-6-2, or maybe a small 4-6-2.
Quote from: RAM on April 19, 2015, 04:54:59 PM
How about something that most modelers can run. A nice 0-6-0, 2-6-2, or maybe a small 4-6-2.
Yes, there's been more than enough big power produced by various manufacturers.
Cheers
Roger T.
Quote from: RAM on April 19, 2015, 04:54:59 PM
How about something that most modelers can run. A nice 0-6-0, 2-6-2, or maybe a small 4-6-2.
I vote for a timber road 2-6-2!
Len
https://www.google.com/#q=reader+railroad+11&imgrc=DT4Cg3A9f9UBVM%253A%3Bundefined%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fcondrenrails.com%252FReader%252FReader-11%252FJan-27-1964%252FReader-11-Reader-AR-1-27-64-2.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fcondrenrails.com%252FReader%252Findex.html%3B900%3B630
The last Wabash mogul, # 573, I believe is in a museum and MR ran the plans in 1959 so they are available. 573 (and sister 576) ran long into the diesel era because there was a bridge (I believe in Keokuk, Iowa) that wouldn't support a diesel which was heavier.
There was one imported in brass ages ago and the long defunct Kemtron company made a kit.
It would be a nice addition to anyone modeling a branch line. Keep in mind that a little engine like this is not going to haul a lot of cars.
a 0-4-0 and make the union pacific overland limited 4-8-4 look like this again http://www.ho-scaletrains.net/bachmannhoscalelocomotives/id45.html please
Well I hope that they do not just paint a Santa Fe 4-8-4 and call it UP. It is about like taking PRR's K4 and calling it a SP 4-6-2. In the way of Santa Fe, they could redo the 2-10-4 like they did the 4-8-4.
Quote from: RAM on April 19, 2015, 04:54:59 PM
How about something that most modelers can run. A nice 0-6-0, 2-6-2, or maybe a small 4-6-2.
For the 2-6-2 idea. It would be nice to have a non-"USRA" (I have USRA in air quotes as the Bachmann "USRA" 2-6-2 never existed in real life just like it's fellow "USRA" 2-6-0. There was however a USRA 0-6-0 tender engine). I myself wouldn't mind a Northern Pacific 2-6-2 such as T class #2435 (which is preserved in the Lake Superior Railroad Museum in Duluth, MN and is the only remaining Northern Pacific engine of this wheel arrangement since there are a good two or three dozen 2-6-2's preserved throughout the US) or even a Great Northern 2-6-2 or Soo Line 2-6-2 to in a similar manner as the Northern Pacific 2-6-2, to add a couple more Upper Midwestern/Pacific Northwest area road names to the line up of steam locomotives from the different manufacturers. As far as a logging version though, I wouldn't mind seeing a Saddle Tank one as I rode behind one on the Black Hills Central in South Dakota a few years ago and NO ONE makes an engine like that in any scale. Here is a picture of the 2-6-2ST I am talking about.
http://steamlocomotive.com/prairie/pt104-fellner.jpg (http://steamlocomotive.com/prairie/pt104-fellner.jpg)
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/pictures%5C37514%5CP-3107.JPG (http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/pictures%5C37514%5CP-3107.JPG)
MRF - While I personally am not all that found of 'tank' engines, I could go with any of those other 2-6-2's you mentioned. Whatever they did, if Bachmann did it, it would be nice if they did a painted/unlettered version.
And I'm with you on the "USRA" 2-6-2's, which is why I keep asking for a Spectrum quality version.
Len
We need non specific engines , like the USRA, that could be for several railroads, like the logging 2-6-2 or any of several Harriman engines. Harriman engines would, by being on the SP, UP and IC (as well as the C of G), would cover the west like USRA engines cover the east, and lots of people would buy them.
But since folks are putting in their road specific favorites ,I'll put mine in too.... MoPac Spot class 2-8-0 thst is generic as the come, MoPac 300 class heavy ten wheeler that is also very generic, MoPac 1400 class 2-8-2, a nice heavy 2-8-2 derived from USRA spec but quite different in appearance.
in responce to SEDFRED&ACY
GRAND TRUNK,CENTRAL VERMONT,& GRANDE TRUNK&WESTERN were all owned by CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS
yes a lot of the locos were made by american mfg's as well as by in house montreal locomotive works.i have personally witnessed these american subsiduaries operating in ontario.giving away my age lol.many of these american locos had a lot of common looks to their canadian cousins. my grandfather was in fact an engineer on the grand trunk&western&ran the montreal-toronto-detroit -chicago run back in the 30's bachmann has in the past offered cdn road names and as i am not a rivet counter or a brasshat that as long as it s close it works for me. the biggest thing that is noticable is the unique vanderbuilt tenders that were used .check out the grande trunk ¢ral vermonts northerns& mikado's, they are mirror of each other. the other noteworhy item would be the big feedwater heater across the top of the boiler front. no body seems to make locos with this feature on,even thou many us&cdn road locos had them.and yes the market is saturated with big boys,we need more pacifics&hudsons.
regards&later kewatin
Roger,
I can't personally tell if what you said about American vs. foreign practice of marketing model locomotives is true, but I think I know why that is likely the case. Before the mega-mergers started eating up the smaller Class One Railroads, there were a great many railroads in this country, but only a very few manufacturers and models. So it would stand to reason that a model manufacturer would market a handful of locomotives in a variety of paint schemes, geared to what would sell best, not to what is the most accurate. This problem is worse with Diesel locomotives than with steam, that tended to be a least a bit individualistic.
For example, everyone's F-units looked pretty much alike. So take a common prototype (F7?) and letter it for a bunch of common railroads, regardless of whether or not they used them. The modeler can detail them to represent a particular railroad's units.
This isn't a matter of liking or not liking American railroads. It is a good thing, because the more units sold, the stronger it makes the hobby for all of us.
Les
Quote from: Desertdweller on April 22, 2015, 02:59:53 PM
Roger,
I can't personally tell if what you said about American vs. foreign practice of marketing model locomotives is true, but I think I know why that is likely the case. Before the mega-mergers started eating up the smaller Class One Railroads, there were a great many railroads in this country, but only a very few manufacturers and models. So it would stand to reason that a model manufacturer would market a handful of locomotives in a variety of paint schemes, geared to what would sell best, not to what is the most accurate. This problem is worse with Diesel locomotives than with steam, that tended to be a least a bit individualistic.
For example, everyone's F-units looked pretty much alike. So take a common prototype (F7?) and letter it for a bunch of common railroads, regardless of whether or not they used them. The modeler can detail them to represent a particular railroad's units.
This isn't a matter of liking or not liking American railroads. It is a good thing, because the more units sold, the stronger it makes the hobby for all of us.
Les
I understand the above but for us Canadian modellers, an "American" diesel painted in Canadian colours isn't accurate. Depending on which of the Big Three diesels builders model we are discussing, Canadian diesels usually have one more step in the step wells than the equivalent American version, different headlight placement, different handrail arrangements, different length noses, different sandbox placement different placement of air filters etc., etc., which are sometimes not easy to duplicate as they may involve carving up the body. I know, I've done done diesel kitbashing myself to get RS-11 and RS-18 diesels, for example. Of course, bell, horn, radio gear etc., etc., are easy to replace. But, then again, how many Canadian "modellers" really care? Not that many it seems. :)
I was just pointing out the different approach that even Bachmann has to its European markets Vs Bachmann North American market.
Cheers
Roger T.