Subject line say's it all Mr. B. The 2-8-2 seems to have slipped from the radar.
The only new release I was looking forward to.
Cheers
Roger T.
Well they had already made the announcement, so there was no need to announce it again.
Quote from: RAM on August 29, 2015, 11:24:21 PM
Well they had already made the announcement, so there was no need to announce it again.
Why isn't it in the publicity then?
You'd think they wouldn't pass that up.
Cheers
Roger T.
Quote from: rogertra on August 30, 2015, 12:01:32 AM
Quote from: RAM on August 29, 2015, 11:24:21 PM
Well they had already made the announcement, so there was no need to announce it again.
Why isn't it in the publicity then?
You'd think they wouldn't pass that up.
Cheers
Roger T.
That is because they announced the USRA 2-8-2 at the NMRA show LAST YEAR. And if I am correct it is also listed in the 2015 Bachmann catalog. In other words, it has been common knowledge to everyone. The models just haven't released yet.
Dear All,
There are Mikado samples on display and running at the show.
Have fun!
the Bach-man
Quote from: MilwaukeeRoadfan261 on August 30, 2015, 12:56:12 AM
Quote from: rogertra on August 30, 2015, 12:01:32 AM
Quote from: RAM on August 29, 2015, 11:24:21 PM
Well they had already made the announcement, so there was no need to announce it again.
Why isn't it in the publicity then?
You'd think they wouldn't pass that up.
Cheers
Roger T.
That is because they announced the USRA 2-8-2 at the NMRA show LAST YEAR. And if I am correct it is also listed in the 2015 Bachmann catalog. In other words, it has been common knowledge to everyone. The models just haven't released yet.
Only photos I've seen are pre-production models. I was hoping for photos of production models.
Cheers
Roger T.
Roger;
Have you looked in "Model Railroader" or "RMC" (I forget which one...) this month? Dey's dere! In full living (grey) colour.
RIch
Quote from: electrical whiz kid on August 30, 2015, 09:14:15 AM
Roger;
Have you looked in "Model Railroader" or "RMC" (I forget which one...) this month? Dey's dere! In full living (grey) colour.
RIch
Or you could check out the Bachmann Trains Facebook page to see a video of one of the sound value versions running and there is another thread on the forums here with pictures of one of the painted production samples and a picture of the Southern 4501 version at the NMRA show this weekend on the Bachmann facebook page.
Quote from: electrical whiz kid on August 30, 2015, 09:14:15 AM
Roger;
Have you looked in "Model Railroader" or "RMC" (I forget which one...) this month? Dey's dere! In full living (grey) colour.
RIch
Not yet but I'd have expected to see photos of production models on this site.
Cheers
Roger T.
Quote from: MilwaukeeRoadfan261 on August 30, 2015, 11:06:30 AM
Quote from: electrical whiz kid on August 30, 2015, 09:14:15 AM
Roger;
Have you looked in "Model Railroader" or "RMC" (I forget which one...) this month? Dey's dere! In full living (grey) colour.
RIch
Or you could check out the Bachmann Trains Facebook page to see a video of one of the sound value versions running and there is another thread on the forums here with pictures of one of the painted production samples and a picture of the Southern 4501 version at the NMRA show this weekend on the Bachmann facebook page.
Don't subscribe to the Bachmann Facebook page but as I said in another post, I expected to see photos here.
Cheers
Roger T.
Quote from: rogertra on August 30, 2015, 01:13:04 PM
Don't subscribe to the Bachmann Facebook page but as I said in another post, I expected to see photos here.
Cheers
Roger T.
You don't need a facebook, or a subscription to see Bachmann's posts on Facebook, just an FYI
There is a lot of exclusive content on manufacturers' Facebook pages that aren't posted any where else.
Quote from: ryeguyisme on September 01, 2015, 08:40:13 PM
Quote from: rogertra on August 30, 2015, 01:13:04 PM
Don't subscribe to the Bachmann Facebook page but as I said in another post, I expected to see photos here.
Cheers
Roger T.
You don't need a facebook, or a subscription to see Bachmann's posts on Facebook, just an FYI
There is a lot of exclusive content on manufacturers' Facebook pages that aren't posted any where else.
Yeah. I thought that was common knowledge. I have been watching it since it has been up and not logged into FB at the time.
Rich
I am however eagerly anticipating this Bachmann USRA Mikado release for the amount of kitbashing opportunities I have planned in the near future. So count me in. I still buy the 2-6-6-2's and 2-10-2's regularly for projects.
I was one of those folks unaware you could look at Facebook without an account. Was happy to watch the USRA Mike video!
I have collected some brass detail parts, and am joyfully anticipating superdetail work on this loco. Hopefully we'll see some Mikes by the big October train shows. If I manage to get one, I will, of course, be posting photos when I disassemble and trick out the Mike.
Hangin' in there!
Regards,
Jonathan
They should arrive in our warehouse within the month.
Yardmaster: Any delivery updates yet?
I can't wait to see Jonathan deconstruct a USRA mike - Hmmm - let me guess - it'll become a B&O loco!
My first brass engine was a PFM/ United USRA mike - I paid the full asking price of $32.50 plus tax (1968 price) . A friend painted it and lettered it for the NYC. I sold it for $65 when I decided to leave HO (which I never did!)
Yes, I remember those days. The issue with that PFM model was the cab - They used the more square-ish cab that was installed on the first loco, which was a B&O engine. Almost all of the subsequent USRA light Mikes, including the B&O's, got the more deeply rounded cab style.
When I started in the hobby I wouldn't have paid attention to things like cabs - all I cared about was getting the trains to run. My brass USRA mike had a slight whine when going forward but nothing in reverse. When it was disassembled for painting a thrust washer was missing. A Kadee washer fixed the problem. The problem with the brass engines is that they didn't pull very much out of the box.
The Bachmann engine looks fine to me - I'm not a bean counter. There were lots of USRA mikes all over the country so the model may sell out rather quickly.
Now Bachmann has to do a USRA pacific.
Quote from: Woody Elmore on September 18, 2015, 08:50:09 PM
Bachmann engine looks fine to me - I'm not a bean counter.
Did you mean
rivet counter? I mean, it was always my understanding you were a professor, not an accountant ;)
Quote from: Woody Elmore on September 18, 2015, 01:08:49 PM
I can't wait to see Jonathan deconstruct a USRA mike - Hmmm - let me guess - it'll become a B&O loco!
That won't be much! B&O had 100 of them in class Q3. The original of the class, and the first USRA engine of any type delivered, B&O 4500, is preserved today in the B&O Museum in Baltimore. Main changes would be a high headlight, footboard pilot, the ususal plumbing changes over time, and the deep roofed cab (which the engine has now, and apparently got fairly early in its life).
What would be more interesting would be to make it into a Q4. B&O had a bunch of those, and dimensionally and proportionally they look a lot like a USRA--but what a host of changes! Domes look different, I think the smokebox front is different, cast trailing truck (which is an option on Bachmann's model), long frame Baker valve gear, and a stubby medium Vanderbilt tank!
That would be a challenge!
Quote from: J3a-614 on September 19, 2015, 10:19:42 AM
Quote from: Woody Elmore on September 18, 2015, 01:08:49 PM
I can't wait to see Jonathan deconstruct a USRA mike - Hmmm - let me guess - it'll become a B&O loco!
That won't be much! B&O had 100 of them in class Q3. The original of the class, and the first USRA engine of any type delivered, B&O 4500, is preserved today in the B&O Museum in Baltimore. Main changes would be a high headlight, footboard pilot, the ususal plumbing changes over time, and the deep roofed cab (which the engine has now, and apparently got fairly early in its life).
What would be more interesting would be to make it into a Q4. B&O had a bunch of those, and dimensionally and proportionally they look a lot like a USRA--but what a host of changes! Domes look different, I think the smokebox front is different, cast trailing truck (which is an option on Bachmann's model), long frame Baker valve gear, and a stubby medium Vanderbilt tank!
That would be a challenge!
Did someone say B&O Q3 4500?
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10417607_725007800856012_8383580915429127526_n.jpg?oh=25fe080f810364574a620405d81f12b6&oe=56A62297)
Pic by me on my last trip down to the museum/kiddy amusement park. Its hard to get decent pics of her as shes tucked inside the passenger car shops behind the 5300. its a bit tight in there though i could get a better shot on the other side but theres a platform so you can get up into the cabs of the 2-6-6-6 and 4-6-2.
Quote from: Woody Elmore on September 18, 2015, 08:50:09 PM
Now Bachmann has to do a USRA pacific.
Someone else has already made one recently. Just like the USRA MacArthur. Time to do Harriman engines, not redundunt models of something already offered very recently.
Quote from: Trainman203 on September 20, 2015, 04:28:34 PM
Quote from: Woody Elmore on September 18, 2015, 08:50:09 PM
Now Bachmann has to do a USRA pacific.
Someone else has already made one recently. Just like the USRA MacArthur. Time to do Harriman engines, not redundunt models of something already offered very recently.
I, too want a Bachmann USRA pacific. I think it is not important whether a model has been done by another company as Bachmann is a bit different:
!) Bachmann tends to offer its locos for some years what makes it easiere to build a fleet. For example now I have 7 sound value Bachmann F7, not bought at the same time. When funds allow I will add one or more F7B units. Some companies force me to pre order and buy at once or risk the chance not getting the ABBA consist I want.
2) I love to play with my trains and run them a lot. So spare parts sometimes are necessary. I have never experienced a company that made it easier fot me to get spare parts.
3) Value/detail/sturdiness - while there are locos available with more detail on them for me Bachmann look good enough and I do not have to search the layout for parts falling from locos. Painting and lettering is fine. And sound value locos are great value for money.
So whenever possible I stick with Bachmann and only buy locos not available from Bachmann. I even waited for the 2016 Bachmann announcement until I ordered my first Alco PA, my favorite diesel as I hoped Bachmann could do it but Bachmann brought the E7. Unfortunately the Santa Fe did not have the foresight to order E7 but I hope that Bachmann will use the chassis and in the next years we will see E6 and E8.
Thomas
Quote from: austrian on September 21, 2015, 01:18:32 PM
Quote from: Trainman203 on September 20, 2015, 04:28:34 PM
Quote from: Woody Elmore on September 18, 2015, 08:50:09 PM
Now Bachmann has to do a USRA pacific.
Someone else has already made one recently. Just like the USRA MacArthur. Time to do Harriman engines, not redundunt models of something already offered very recently.
I, too want a Bachmann USRA pacific. I think it is not important whether a model has been done by another company as Bachmann is a bit different:
!) Bachmann tends to offer its locos for some years what makes it easiere to build a fleet. For example now I have 7 sound value Bachmann F7, not bought at the same time. When funds allow I will add one or more F7B units. Some companies force me to pre order and buy at once or risk the chance not getting the ABBA consist I want.
2) I love to play with my trains and run them a lot. So spare parts sometimes are necessary. I have never experienced a company that made it easier fot me to get spare parts.
3) Value/detail/sturdiness - while there are locos available with more detail on them for me Bachmann look good enough and I do not have to search the layout for parts falling from locos. Painting and lettering is fine. And sound value locos are great value for money.
So whenever possible I stick with Bachmann and only buy locos not available from Bachmann. I even waited for the 2016 Bachmann announcement until I ordered my first Alco PA, my favorite diesel as I hoped Bachmann could do it but Bachmann brought the E7. Unfortunately the Santa Fe did not have the foresight to order E7 but I hope that Bachmann will use the chassis and in the next years we will see E6 and E8.
Thomas
But see the thing is there's ample room for other prototypes that haven't been produced outside of brass with all that you say in mind..
Just a hair off-subject, but was there ever a 4-10-4 locomotive built in this country? Off-hand, I wouldn't see the need, as it might be a bit clumsy, BUT... I have a Bachmann 2-10-4 "TEXAS", and will, sooner or later, disturb it's somnolent posture, and proceed to "alter" it... But a 4-10-4 does evoke thoughts of quite a mill!!
RIch C.
No 4-10-4's in the US, unless you want to count the Pennsy's Q-class locos. They were duplexes, similar to the T-1. The one-of Q-1 was a 4-6-4-4, the Q-2's were 4-4-6-4's. Duplex drive locos had two engine sets, like an articulated, but they were in a ridgid frame. I believe the largest ridgid frame locos in the US were the UP's 4-12-2's. Believe it or not, the Russians buiilt a 4-14-4 back in the 1930's. They tried running it on the Trans-Siberian line and rumour has it that it spent as much time on the ties as on the rails. The designers also took a trip to Siberia, but never came back.
There was never a 4-8-6, but almost. Lima designed one, but 2 or 3 years too late. It would have been a great locomotive.
WOW; that must have been one hell of a firebox to have three axles holding it up.
Rich C.
The Union Pacific had 4-10-2's which is like the smaller sibling of their 4-12-2's, they're really neat overland looking engines :)
I was contemplating buying one in brass and modifying it to seem more like it hung around the Rockies(even though the curves in the Rockies wouldn't fare well with that kind of wheelbase..
Back in 1950, I got yo see one of U.P.s 4-12-2 leave the roundhouse , turn on the tt, and leave to pick up its train. Saw a 4-12-4 on Ebay, but it turned out to be a 4-6-6-4.
The 4-10-2's, like the 4-12-2's, were 3-cylinder locos. The third cylinder was underneath the smokebox and drove one of the driver axles that had a crank built into it. If you remember the old Rivarossi IHB 0-8-0, those locos also had 3 cylinders.
Hadn't seen an answer yet - Any update on delivery, Mr. Yardmaster?
Very soon.
Sounds like the bad old days of software update releases, "It will be out real soon now." ;D
Len
Quote from: Len on October 02, 2015, 12:26:01 PM
Sounds like the bad old days of software update releases, "It will be out real soon now." ;D
Len
According to Bachmann's E-News Letter, the USRA Light 2-8-2's will be shipping in late October.
Quote from: ryeguyisme on September 30, 2015, 09:27:23 PM
The Union Pacific had 4-10-2's which is like the smaller sibling of their 4-12-2's, they're really neat overland looking engines :)
I was contemplating buying one in brass and modifying it to seem more like it hung around the Rockies(even though the curves in the Rockies wouldn't fare well with that kind of wheelbase..
What?
The CPR Selkirk 2-10-4 made its home in the Canadian Rockies, From Calgary to Banff to Field to Golden to Revelstoke. Hard to find another run as long mainly in the mountains. Before the Selkirks CPR ran their 2-10-2's.
Nice to see the newletter with the 2-8-2's. How come no Vandy tenders on any of these versions?
Vanderbilt tenders:
I am not sure of Bachmann wants this info out-and I will understand if they delete it-but on their "parts" section of this site, you may find what you are looking for.
Rich C.
So Micro Mark shows the 2-8-2 with sound right now. Add to cart, not pre-order. $237.00.
The 4-6-0's are pre-order.
Rich
I just got my new 2-8-2. I put it on the test track running stratight DC with an MRC Tech II. It has a bit of a stutter when starting to move, and the lights flash a couple of times. Once it gets started it runs smoothly. Is this a result of running on DC? Thoughts? At the moment I don't have access to anyone with a DCC layout to check the operationg in that mode.
Yep. That's normal for my dual mode Bachmann's on DC. Takes about 50% throttle--they stutter for a second while the lights and sound get enough juice to respond, then they run fine. Response is normal on DCC.
Looking forward to getting one and playing with it.
Regards,
Jonathan
OK, thanks much Jonathon. Thought that might be the case. Am looking forward to cranking her up on DCC one of these days. Our club in McKeesport is planning to go DCC in about 18 months so things there will be good.
In decoders, it takes at least five volts for just the microprocessor to just wake up. Maybe a couple more volts for the loco to begin moving. Nature of the beast.
Rich
richardl;
I think you are correct. In real life, a capacitor start/induction run motor is used in hard-to-start applications. Not so for HO scale. I think that perhaps concentrating on the running gear; making sure moving parts are smooth, not binding up or moving improperly, kept clean and properly lubricated, is probably going to be where we as consumers, jump in. You may be able to fiddle around with the electrical end, but is it worth the fuss, math, and aggravation?
Rich C.
I took my new Mike up to the club on Friday, mostly to show it to the guys. Turns out some of them were in the process of hooking up one of the branch lines for DCC, so I actually got the try it out. I'm very pleased with the operation of the loco. Some things will need to be adjusted whenever I can get to someone with a programming track. The chuff rate is too fast, and I'm not thrilled with the default whistle. But of course those are easy adjustments.
Wayne;
the bottom photo: Where do you find those round single-pin plugs? They look like they are great-are they?
Second question: What kind of damage will I do by removing that "DCC-ready" board? The plugs, wires, etc; are a drag. Stowing a DCC board may be an issue in that smaller tender, with the other board, etc; in there.
I bought some of the "K-4" tenders to use with the 2-8-0s. They appear to be a happy medium for the consolidations. We'll see.
Rich C.
Wayne;
Thanks much for the help here; specifically, what I desire is to take the conductors (EG the track leads; of which I have three sets), and wire them directly to the DCC board; and the other leads-motor, lighting, etc.-and just connect them directly to the leads from the board; thus eliminating that [DCC-ready] board.
My 'logic' as an old-school, master electrician, says it will work; but I am concerned with things like overcurrent protection that may be an integral part of the existing circuit board; also can the DCC board actually handle the current draw? I know what the MFGrs tout, but... The boards I am using are older NCE pc boards. As you know, being an electrician doesn't necessarily mean one is good at electronics, or instantly knows the innards of this "new" stuff.
I prefer to take the "all the help I can get" stance...