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Title: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: alco9000fan on September 03, 2015, 04:16:05 PM
Howdy everyone. I have thought about this subject for a while now, and noticed that Bachmann is really stepping up their game in the model railroad buisness with the recent pictures and videos of the USRA 2-8-2 sound value locomotive being produced soon. But as some of us would like, let's have our ideas of models we would like seen made by Bachmann.

One that I would love to see on the market again with today's updated technology and possible DCC capability is the old 0-4-0 Docksider or even the B&O C16a locomotive with the tender for sound capabilities. They would be great for people who want a model that fits a switcher and so we modelers don't need to modify the older ones and get them DCC ready. I myself am working on an old Rivarossi C16a and that's a nightmare! But it'll get there soon. As I also own a IHC 0-4-0 Docksider that I plan to add DCC maybe sound. The only thing is those are very hard to come by.

If enough people get an idea started at Bachmann, maybe we will get a good model of a company who can deliver good models for us people wanting them!
Good day all!
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: CNE Runner on September 03, 2015, 04:28:29 PM
OK, I'll jump in here. I'd like to see Bachmann make their On30 Plymouth switcher in HO scale. A well-running 0-6-0 tank engine would also work for me (although Mantua and Rivarossi already make such a model). With the proliferation of small, mini-layouts today - smaller industrial/dockside locomotives should generate considerable interest in the hobby...whether or not that justifies the expense of tooling, etc. remains to be seen.

Regards,
Ray
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Piyer on September 03, 2015, 04:32:00 PM
Cousin to the 0-4-0 "dockside" switcher would be the early boxcab switchers - both the solid box and the box with sloped end hoods. These days we see to have good coverage on most models from the 1950s through today, but we could use some models of pre-WWII era early diesels, industrial-sized locomotives (some of which were quite big), and early electric locomotives. That said, I'm not sure if any of my suggestions would fit with today's sales economics.  :-\
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: alco9000fan on September 03, 2015, 05:52:56 PM
As I see more layouts these days orientated to switching duty for those who can only run a shelf layout, I think smaller models on the market would work. The older stuff that people made previously is very, well outdated! And it forces most of us to really either run DC only or take the time, money and know how on converting so many of our models.

As you mentioned Piyer, we have too much of 1950's and nothing I. The pre teens of early American railroading. And as Ray mentioned, it may cause a uplift into the hobby more frequently and the models for switching operations could be rather more successful than not. Although I run a 4' x 8' HO layout, most larger Union Pacific steamers like FEF, Big Boy and a 4-12-2, I would like to have a real reliable steam switcher that could do either by prototype or freelanced. I guess time will tell. But as some stated, wel would like to see more industrial/Switching operation kind of locomotives. Tooling and costs to build a new model is also very diffuclt, as we are not a company have only have a small and artificial degree of knowledge to what goes into it!

Keep them coming folks, and thanks for any input!
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Rick Abramson on September 03, 2015, 07:28:58 PM
I'd like to see a nice Lima-Hamilton 1200HP switcher.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: wiley209 on September 03, 2015, 08:53:11 PM
Maybe Bachmann could make an HO-scale Amtrak ACS-64 electric locomotive? They started using them early last year, and I've been seeing more of them now.
I remember the first time I saw one, in February 2014 at South Station in Boston. I saw as it pulled up to the platform, having just hauled a passenger train from Washington D.C. I remember quite a few people on the platform stopped to take pictures of it, since it was so new!
(http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/wile_e2005/16186524/370404/370404_original.jpg)

Because I will admit, it's a little odd how they still make the HHP-8, as all of the real prototypes have since been retired in favor of the ACS-64s.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Rick Abramson on September 03, 2015, 09:50:44 PM
I asked about the ACS-64 and the reply from Bachmann was that they had no plans at this time to make one. :(
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: MilwaukeeRoadfan261 on September 03, 2015, 11:21:51 PM
Personally, I would like to see a USATC S160 class 2-8-0 as there are no ready to run off the shelf models of them (American or British versions) anywhere. Another model I would like to see is a more "Old Time" style 4-6-0 similar in design to the Sierra Railway's #3 as it was a more generic design from the late 1800's (the engine was built in 1895 and in my opinion, anything from before 1905 is an "Old Time" locomotive) that could be lettered for many roadnames and be made to have wood, coal or oil bunkers as the Sierra Railway's #3 was built to burn coal, then later converted to burn oil and has been seen as a wood burner in most of the movies and TV shows that I have seen it appear in. Or even some more Northern US road names like Great Northern or Northern Pacific as well as Milwaukee Road, DMIR, C&NW, Soo Line, Burlington and Rock Island in the way of steam engines as there aren't enough of those road names on the market and some even ran as far west as Portland and Seattle mind you. I understand it is because the more "Popular" (and I use the term loosely) Road Names are the UP, SP, ATSF, B&O, PRR and NYC; that there aren't more Midwest and Pacific Northwest roadnames available in steam as affordable plastic models. But, there are a lot of people here in the Midwest and Northern US who are Railway Model Enthusiasts (because it is one of the few things those of us who live in the colder climates of this country can do during those harsh winters that most everywhere else in the country can't even imagine can do to keep ourselves sane when we are stuck inside for about half the year at times, and I should know as I live in Minnesota) who want to model road names local to their area of the country in using readily available, affordable, models and unfortunately, the only way to get steam engines from some of the local road names (which for me are the ones I listed earlier that I would like to see appear more in steam engines such as the Great Northern, Northern Pacific, Milwaukee Road, Soo Line, DMIR, C&NW, and Rock Island) is the much more expensive "Brass Option" or the much less (in my mind anyway) favorable PRR/UP/SP/ATSF/B&O/NYC based design painted to look like a steam engine that would have been seen around the Northern Midwest and North Western part of the country as is a common site within most of the manufacturers out there. And I know people have gone off on me whenever I speak my mind on the matter stating that "What WE need is more USRA/Generic steam engines not engines specific to a single railroad or a couple railroads.", not keeping in mind that most of their precious "USRA/Generic" steam engines are based on ONE Railroads version of that wheel arrangement and is then repainted into paint schemes of railroads whose steamers looked nothing like that or railroads who didn't even have any engines of that wheel arrangement. Now don't get me wrong, Bachmann's USRA engines are great in the fact each roadname has details specific to that roadname as eveident with the USRA Light 2-10-2 or USRA Heavy 4-8-2 and even the upcoming USRA Light 2-8-2 and I even have one of the DMIR USRA Light 2-10-2's and love it because it looks like the real engine and even plan on getting a couple of the 2-8-2 when it releases. But the thing is that not all railroads had identical looking locomotives. For example, a 4-8-4 on the Union Pacific looked different from the 4-8-4's of the Milwaukee Road which looked different from the 4-8-4's of the N&W, which looked different from the one's on the Northern Pacific and I really won't continue that as it would take much too long. What I am saying is while for most the "Big Six" railroads in the US may be fine for people who live in those areas or are fans of those railroads because they may have been from there originally, but those of us who, like myself, maybe were born and grew up in an area of the country were those local railroads aren't exactly represented as much or as well as the "Big Six" are not so lucky when it comes to OUR local road names as model trains and what we usually end up with is model railway museums of sorts with models of trains from across the country with most of which we haven't even seen in our area, even in old photos on the internet, let alone operated in OUR local area's such as the UP, SP, ATSF or PRR, B&O, and NYC.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: jward on September 04, 2015, 08:24:52 AM
Quote from: wiley209 on September 03, 2015, 08:53:11 PM


Because I will admit, it's a little odd how they still make the HHP-8, as all of the real prototypes have since been retired in favor of the ACS-64s.

wiley,

they are still using at least 2 hhp8s on MARC out of dc. I saw them last month still strutting their stuff. too bad Bachmann doesn't make theirs in marc paint.

Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Irbricksceo on September 04, 2015, 10:19:19 AM
I still want a C&O greenbriar, which has thus far only been made in brass, however I know that Bachmann currently produces 3 or 4 4-8-4's so I'l concede that it is unlikely.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: jbrock27 on September 04, 2015, 01:36:31 PM
Quote from: Rick Abramson on September 03, 2015, 07:28:58 PM
I'd like to see a nice Lima-Hamilton 1200HP switcher.

I'd like to see a Linda Hamilton ;D
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: alco9000fan on September 04, 2015, 01:57:53 PM
Howdy again everyone. I am really enjoying the 2ยข people are putting in here!

If I may put another great locomotive in. I think we should also see a good Box Cab electric diesel based on the older Roundhouse tooling like the ones that where under the NYCRR in the early 1900's, large with the pantograph a and the nice font writing on the sides. Maybe a cheaper EP-5 electric diesel in NHRR (New Haven).

A generic old timer 2-4-0 Bowker or 4-6-0. Similar to the ones made by Rivarossi but I know that Hornby had bought all the new toolings and that would cause friction between the companies. As for steamers, I am anxious to see the new tooling 4-4-0 with Sound Value decoders. Also, maybe Bachmann can use the new Soundtraxx Econami decoders since they could be cheaper for those trying to get into DCC, as the decoders can get costly. And I think the Bachmann Sound Value line is excellent and I would love to own more great models of the time being.

As for rolling stock, maybe we can get some more pre-teen tank cars, shorty flat cars, older style 30'-40' boxcars, and also maybe another look at the old Hienz Pickle car that was a kit some years back. I also want to see another run of a great but very unknown model that people don't know much about. That would be the United States Navy Helium Tank car. Painted dull grey with a silver tank load, that would be pretty under the Spectrum line!

Great input folks, and if anyone has better, let's hear them!
Thank you all for you time! And happy modeling!
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: jbrock27 on September 04, 2015, 03:28:42 PM
Quote from: alco9000fan on September 04, 2015, 01:57:53 PM
I also want to see another run of a great but very unknown model that people don't know much about. That would be the United States Navy Helium Tank car.

Would that be the one put out by AHM years ago? ;)
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Len on September 04, 2015, 05:14:55 PM
I'd like to see a nice local service switcher that's DCC ready, with space for a speaker, that's under $200.00.

I can dream can't I?

Len
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: alco9000fan on September 04, 2015, 06:05:25 PM
jbrock27: Bingo! And actually, I have never seen one in person before. You see then on eBay once in a while but the prices they ask is absolutely insane! I also want the one made by Ambroid some years ago. Have yet to get a decent set of 3 or so. I just like the way they look and it's actually got a survivor somewhere in Texas is what I was told by a friend.

For more rolling stock, I would like to see a more prototype accurate Union Pacific caboose. Either the older cupola CA-5 or the Bay Window with the little "slogans" that they painted on them. Maybe the accurate cabooses or the Union Pacific 40' "Steamliners" boxcar with the yellow graphics!

I wonder if Bachmann is reading this?  ???

Marc
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: electrical whiz kid on September 04, 2015, 07:52:13 PM
Jim; we'd ALL like to see another Linda Hamilton.

All; I am not sure when, but Grandt models came out with a little box-cab that would be suitable for a switching layout.  When I was modeling HOn3, I had bought two; and the drives that went with them.  While I wouldn't recommend them for an eight year-old, they aren't out of the ability range of the average modeler.  I will possibly use them on a part of my new layout (if I ever get up off of my duff).  To those of you who knew of Malcolm Furlow, when he built the "San Jaun Central" he used two of them in tandem.

RIch C 
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Trainman203 on September 04, 2015, 09:41:25 PM
Fix the mechanical problems with the Russian decapod, put a powerful motor in it , and reissue it.

Reissue the 63" driver 4-6-0.

Reissue the USRA mountains.

All of those are beautiful engines and presumably the tooling is still there.  Wouldn't take much.  

THEN ...... do some Harriman engines.  The Vanderbilt medium oil or coal  tender tooling already exists.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: jbrock27 on September 05, 2015, 08:35:04 AM
Quote from: alco9000fan on September 04, 2015, 06:05:25 PM
You see then on eBay once in a while but the prices they ask is absolutely insane!
Marc

OMG Marc!  No doubt.  I recently saw one go as high as $30!

Quote from: alco9000fan on September 04, 2015, 06:05:25 PM
I wonder if Bachmann is reading this?  ???

Marc

No doubt; where my name appears, I can guarantee you the Yardmaster is. ::)

Quote from: electrical whiz kid on September 04, 2015, 07:52:13 PM
Jim; we'd ALL like to see another Linda Hamilton.
RIch C

I know right?!  Like who doesn't love Sarah Connor?!?!
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: alco9000fan on September 05, 2015, 03:31:21 PM
jbrock27, not a fair deal at all. As I have seen them even around the $40-$60+ range depending if it was a new car with all the stirrups and what have you not. But mostly $30 is a good range to pay. Even harder to get nowadays is the Ambroid kit that was released in the 1960's. Most have either been built very maticulously and the people who did do then want an arm and a few legs at that. Unbuilt a are usually messed with more of them being partially assembled. I have been waiting for years for a reissue of that car, but I don't think we will see them soon. The USRA 4-8-2 didn't di me any good justice after I saw the Broadway Limited version of the UP MT-73. Which that's a whole new story to get on. Let's just say she may be going back for her 4th time in a row. But regardless the Broadway versions sold very quickly and we won't see the MT-73 for a while either.

One more model I can ask for is the Harriman 4-4-2 that MDC offered many moons ago. But they are scarce. Very very scarce. Bachmann made a good saddle tank in the Spectrum line so I have yet to get one and superdetail it with sound.

Good day all,
Marc.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: jbrock27 on September 05, 2015, 04:20:16 PM
Quote from: alco9000fan on September 05, 2015, 03:31:21 PM
But mostly $30 is a good range to pay.
Marc.

LOL!  I don't even pay $30 for a brand new in the box currently produced car.  Sometimes not even that much for a diesel, powered loco, LOL! :)
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: rogertra on September 05, 2015, 06:37:23 PM
Just maintain the Spectrum standards.

AFAIC, the dropping of the Spectrum standards is a backwards step.

The Spectrum 2-8-0 raised the RTR bar to a new high standard that all manufacturers had to step up to.

This seeming abandonment of the Spectrum range is a backwards step towards the toy train market.

Cheers

Roger T.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: electrical whiz kid on September 05, 2015, 10:27:32 PM
Roger;
I would be underselling Bachmann's efforts if I were going to say a "step backwards" is bad.  Not necessarily so.  Personally, I would like to see a stripped-down engine, especially the 2-8-2 they are coming out with; at least as a pilot for this concept.  I tell you why:  Again, personally, I do a good amount of super-detailing (at least that's what I call it.)  And a lot of the detail that goes on at Kader factory is ultimately in the way.  It can also be pretty sub-standard, but that's grain for another feed bag.  A modeler could then pick and choose their prototype and the parts they will need from where they choose.  I know this isn't a "one size fits all" deal,. but it is simply my thoughts.

Rich C.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: J3a-614 on September 06, 2015, 01:19:26 AM
Quote from: Irbricksceo on September 04, 2015, 10:19:19 AM
I still want a C&O Greenbriar, which has thus far only been made in brass, however I know that Bachmann currently produces 3 or 4 4-8-4's so I'l concede that it is unlikely.

As a strong C&O fan, I would second the Greenbriar!  Alas, it's also an engine on 74-inch drivers, a different size from the 70-inch (N&W J, USRA 4-8-2s) and 80 inch (ATSF, NYC, and SP 4-8-4s, PRR 4-6-2) that Bachmann makes, so you are looking at a locomotive that is all new and expensive.

In the line of smaller power, a stock Baldwin 2-8-0, either a 50-inch drivered late 19th century version (M&PA light 2-8-0) or a newer version (used on Sierra Railway and other roads) would be a good choice.  These engines, with at least one Alco counterpart, were essentially "stock" locomotives used by a number of railroads, as would be a smaller 4-6-0 along the lines of Sierra No. 3.  Some of these machines even wound up on Class I roads, either as locomotives purchased in the 19th century or as engines inherited when some regional and short line roads were merged into a larger system.  

M&PA No. 26, one of four such locomotives on the M&PA:

http://www.algonet.se/~cheklof/bilder/mapa-s26.jpg

http://www.maparailroadhist.org/locos/loco26.htm

No. 23, rebuilt with Southern valve gear:

http://www.maparailroadhist.org/locos/loco23.htm

New Hope & Ivyland 40 (modern 50-inch drivered Baldwin 2-8-0)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Hope_%26_Ivyland_40

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8407/8702786783_3938c28495_z.jpg

http://www.toytrains1.com/images/trains/nhrr-02.jpg

And near twin Sierra 28 (48 inch drivers):

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/P8060020.jpg/600px-P8060020.jpg

http://www.sierrarailroad55.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/sierra28jamestown1940.jpg

Huntington & Broad Top 38 has a straight boiler (little or no taper) and 51 inch drivers, but is otherwise similar to the previous two examples:

http://www.everettrailroad.com/railfans/38.aspx

http://www.steamlocomotive.com/consolidation/hbtm38-mainey.jpg

Examples of both designs ran on the Baltimore & Ohio, in the form of engines inherited from the Coal & Coke Railroad.  Western Maryland had some of the light version, too.  No doubt there were others.

Who can fill in on some of those  other roads?

Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: J3a-614 on September 06, 2015, 02:51:43 AM
Going the other way, I do wonder how Bachmann decided to produce the B&O EM-1.  Although the smallest of the 2-8-8-4s used in the US, it's still a huge locomotive--and it's been selling like hotcakes from some of the comments elsewhere on the site.  

I would say this big, classic Baldwin needs company in the form of the 60 or so EL class 2-8-8-0s B&O rostered in classes EL-1 through EL-6.  I would stay with the true B&O engines in EL-1, 2, 3, and 5 classes and appropriate subclasses (the others were second hand jobs and/or rebuilds).  Like a USRA 2-8-8-2 or 2-6-6-2, these machines, while large, are not nearly as enormous as a Big Boy or an Allegheny.  They often worked secondary routes that never saw an EM-1 or even a Big Six (2-10-2).  

Photo examples are all of engines which were rebuilt to simple operation, which is how most of them ended up.

http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/p15330coll22/id/48372

http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/bo7117sa.jpg

http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/bo7154sa.jpg

http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/bo7147sa.jpg
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Skarloey Railway on September 06, 2015, 08:49:01 AM
If the new 4-4-0 proves a success I'd like to see a stock Baldwin mogul to go with it.

On another line, I'd like a General Electric box cab with remote control pantographs. No specific prototype.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Len on September 06, 2015, 09:10:47 AM
How about a New Haven EP-3 'Flatbottom'?

The mechanism would essentially be the same as the GG-1, with a box body. The end trucks would need to be pulled in a scale 4" to be completely accurate, but I doubt most people would notice if they weren't.

And before you say it wouldn't sell, keep in mind the New Haven scheme of someone else's DL-109 outsold all the other schemes put together. The NH has a world wide following, this is a pic of a hobby shop proprietor in Helsinki taken by a pilot friend of mine, who's also a model railroader:

(http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l529/Pickanotherid/Roundhouse/NH_Helsinki_zpsfusj8xjw.jpg)

Even he carries a lot of New Haven locos and rolling stock in his shop.

Len
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Trainman203 on September 06, 2015, 10:13:33 AM
Specific engines for specific roads are a bad marketing idea, no matter how much one may love the road or the engine.  I'm neither a PRR or a NYC fan, but the K4 and the Hudson appear to be the only specific engines over many long years of model railroad history that have consistently sold well in large numbers .... Engines from big roads in a densely populated market area.  One might put the gg1 and the daylight   4-8-4 in that bag too.

I myself have no use for any of those engines but I understand marketing and money.  I know that I'll never see an MP 2-8-0 or ten wheeler offered by anyone.  Even though the MP too has followers across The Pond.  And I know that from now till eternity we will always see a k4 or NYC Hudson on the shelves.  Or a gg1, a Daylight, or even a Big Boy ...... How many of those appropriate-for-only-the-biggest-layout engines have been put out for sale?

The reason  I suggested that Bachmann reissue some of their earlier steam engines is that they sold well and the tooling is there. They are generic enough to suit many roads, as would be Harriman engines if offered.

Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Trainman203 on September 06, 2015, 10:29:45 AM
To all of you modelers that want to see electric locomotives offered ........ do you have catenary on your layout?  What percentage of layouts have catenary?  Or is everyone happy running overhead powered electrics on the model railroad version of the air guitar, an "Invisible Friend"? 
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Skarloey Railway on September 06, 2015, 11:33:24 AM
Pass. No layout to run anything on. Or should I say I have an 'air' layout and 'air' locos running on it. :D

But if I did run electric locos it would be because I was modelling a RR with catenary.

(http://trn.trains.com/~/media/import/images/7/e/d/fctt-10.jpg?h=380&la=en&mw=600&w=500)
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Trainman203 on September 06, 2015, 11:44:50 AM
That's good.  I had an air layout for years.  But actually, at least putting up the poles, , with no catenary,,is better than nothing.  We've done telephone poles like that for years.  Why not catenary?

We had an " interurban" in my hometown from 1912 to 1917 before it flopped.  I've sometimes thought of modeling it.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Skarloey Railway on September 06, 2015, 11:58:44 AM
Well, two reasons why not are catenary is a lot more substantial than telegraph/phone wires and the pantograph dips and flexes with the sway of the wires. It's also fascinating to look at, especially on a prototype as homely as the Ferrocarril Tocopilla al Toco down in Chile. Though I concede it will make maintenance harder.

What I'd like is a remote way of raising and lowering the pantographs. In that pic the second engine has both its pantographs lowered to save wear.

The Tocopilla Rwy is 42" gauge but I'm not fussy.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: BaltoOhioRRfan on September 06, 2015, 12:19:56 PM
N&W / Strasburg 4-8-0 WITHOUT Dcc/sound

Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: electrical whiz kid on September 06, 2015, 12:21:50 PM
With respect to those who would like to see their favourite road modeled.  
I have long advocated building of basic kits, package them "plain Jane", include some parts such as steam domes, stacks, etc.
As some of you know, I recently built another Mike using Bachmann's "RUSSIAN" body, and the  SY MIKE drive.  It was challenging-and interesting.  Now, one can take an approach like this and take it as far as they want to.  For discussion, I do not model any specific prototype; just based on New England; nor do I care to.  I have been doing modifications most of my life, and get satisfaction out of doing stuff like that-just my approach.
If Bachmann-or anyone, for that matter-would give the "basic stripped-down model a go, I bet it would go over.  Cal-scale, Cary, Sellen, etc., have a pretty good assortment of parts.
One other thing:  This would maybe bring back The building aspect of this hobby to what it was many years ago, before the "R-T-R" business really became the norm.  Also, I would bet a lot of modellers would be receptive to this.

Rich C.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: ryeguyisme on September 06, 2015, 12:37:06 PM
Quote from: BaltoOhioRRfan on September 06, 2015, 12:19:56 PM
N&W / Strasburg 4-8-0 WITHOUT Dcc/sound



I'm not a N&W modeler but I would like to have 3 N&W 4-8-0's on my roster with the 16k water buffalo tender ;D

N&W Water Buffalo tenders seem to be really popular on online auction sites and used on a variety of roads. With the popularity of N&W as an eastern road, I'm surprised we don't see more plastic/diecast steam. If Bachmann made a Y-2, Z-1, M-1 or M-2 sign me up for few of any of those.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: rogertra on September 06, 2015, 12:55:46 PM
Quote from: electrical whiz kid on September 06, 2015, 12:21:50 PM
With respect to those who would like to see their favourite road modeled.  
I have long advocated building of basic kits, package them "plain Jane", include some parts such as steam domes, stacks, etc.
As some of you know, I recently built another Mike using Bachmann's "RUSSIAN" body, and the  SY MIKE drive.  It was challenging-and interesting.  Now, one can take an approach like this and take it as far as they want to.  For discussion, I do not model any specific prototype; just based on New England; nor do I care to.  I have been doing modifications most of my life, and get satisfaction out of doing stuff like that-just my approach.
If Bachmann-or anyone, for that matter-would give the "basic stripped-down model a go, I bet it would go over.  Cal-scale, Cary, Sellen, etc., have a pretty good assortment of parts.
One other thing:  This would maybe bring back The building aspect of this hobby to what it was many years ago, before the "R-T-R" business really became the norm.  Also, I would bet a lot of modellers would be receptive to this.

Rich C.


I agree with Rich.  His Mike was a fantastic kitbash.  :)


Cheers

Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Trainman203 on September 06, 2015, 01:32:47 PM
Southern Pacific is a favorite western road, a lot longer and far flung than many of the eastern roads.  Yet all we ever see of them model wise today is Daylights and the most modern Cab Forwards.... Both giant engines very unsuited to 18"radius layouts...... which whether we seasoned modelers like it or not, many engines run, suited or not to the toy train curvatures.

SP had many interesting  smaller engines like ten wheelers, consolidations and MacAthurs among others.  Being mostly Harriman engines, models of them would be  generic enough to be kitbashed into almost anything . .....    unlike an N&W 4-8-0 which is a small niche model if there ever was one, even more than a MoPac 2-8-0 which at least is not a rare wheel arrangement and not of peculiar proportions.

SP served an area heavily populated by model railroaders. Their purchasing power in numbers has never been well tested in the plastic steam locomotive market.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Trainman203 on September 06, 2015, 01:45:53 PM
Rich C. sayeth:

"If Bachmann-or anyone, for that matter-would give the "basic stripped-down model a go, I bet it would go over.  Cal-scale, Cary, Sellen, etc., have a pretty good assortment of parts"

I said a pretty long time ago that Bachmann could sell their erstwhile Spectrum engines stripped down, but with the formerly already-applied details available as a separate kit. 

I got taken to the cleaners for saying that.   Don't know why.  I think it's a great idea.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: BaltoOhioRRfan on September 06, 2015, 04:14:31 PM
Quote from: ryeguyisme on September 06, 2015, 12:37:06 PM
Quote from: BaltoOhioRRfan on September 06, 2015, 12:19:56 PM
N&W / Strasburg 4-8-0 WITHOUT Dcc/sound



I'm not a N&W modeler but I would like to have 3 N&W 4-8-0's on my roster with the 16k water buffalo tender ;D

N&W Water Buffalo tenders seem to be really popular on online auction sites and used on a variety of roads. With the popularity of N&W as an eastern road, I'm surprised we don't see more plastic/diecast steam. If Bachmann made a Y-2, Z-1, M-1 or M-2 sign me up for few of any of those.

I'd like to get one for my Strasburg RR, also wouldn't mind 1 or 2 for a fantasy engine for my B&O RR.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: jward on September 06, 2015, 05:17:56 PM
this thread comes up every year, and my suggestions remain the same:

update the old Bachmann u36b and f9 to fit the chassis of the f7 and b23-7 respectively. this shouldn't be too hard or expensive as the basic tooling for each should still be in Bachmann's possession.

as for new models, an emd cow-calf set would be nice. since Bachmann already has an nw2 in n scale, how about an ho scale version, with a calf to go along with it. the nw2 was one of emd's best selling models, and the cow calf version, the tr2, was the best selling cow-calf set of all time. as such, these models would be at home on almost any layout from the 1940s to the 1990s.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Trainman203 on September 06, 2015, 06:07:42 PM
I say the same thing too, broken record......... .  Generic engines.  Harriman engines.  Small engines.  More steam engines.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: ryeguyisme on September 06, 2015, 06:39:33 PM
Quote from: Trainman203 on September 06, 2015, 06:07:42 PM
I say the same thing too, broken record......... .  Generic engines.  Harriman engines.  Small engines.  More steam engines.
Quote from: Trainman203 on September 06, 2015, 01:45:53 PM
Rich C. sayeth:

"If Bachmann-or anyone, for that matter-would give the "basic stripped-down model a go, I bet it would go over.  Cal-scale, Cary, Sellen, etc., have a pretty good assortment of parts"

I said a pretty long time ago that Bachmann could sell their erstwhile Spectrum engines stripped down, but with the formerly already-applied details available as a separate kit. 

I got taken to the cleaners for saying that.   Don't know why.  I think it's a great idea.

Both these ideas are good.  I could see different western road style/Harriman 4-6-0's, 2-8-0's and 2-8-2's doing really well under the SP/UP roadnames. Have different versions both early and late w/boxpok drivers and clamshell stacks. Bachmann also has the tooling for SP and UP style tenders.

To have these engines with separately applied domes and detail parts would create more fun for those like myself looking to kitbash/modify engines to look like a different animal.  Imagine an undecorated version of these engines sold with different domes/smokebox fronts/pilots or snowplows/alternate stacks/doghouse/etc.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: electrical whiz kid on September 06, 2015, 06:58:24 PM
Rye;
I do not advocate Bachmann getting  involved in an aftermarket pile of parts that may or may not sell for them, given the high resolution/quality of the brass parts, such as "Trackside Specialties", Cal-scale, etc.  The "parts" thing is a whole separate market in and of itself; and for Bachmann to get directly involved in this part just might be spreading themselves a bit too thin.  Considering that their product mostly comes from Kader, they would be pretty much hobbled to what Kader says.
Like you said, guys like you would be a natural for this market as you like to modify, and really get into building what appeals to you...  I know, being a part of that same market myself.
Rich C.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Trainman203 on September 06, 2015, 07:09:29 PM
Rich C, I hear that side very well too. Maybe the Bach Man could include some super detailing guidelines, with a list of the appropriate parts from other sources.

The tooling already exists for the parts though, sad to not use them.  Maybe make one bag of parts for every 100 engines and see how it goes.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: J3a-614 on September 07, 2015, 10:54:47 AM
Quote from: Trainman203 on September 04, 2015, 09:41:25 PM
Fix the mechanical problems with the Russian decapod, put a powerful motor in it , and reissue it.

Reissue the 63" driver 4-6-0.

Reissue the USRA mountains.

All of those are beautiful engines and presumably the tooling is still there.  Wouldn't take much.  

THEN ...... do some Harriman engines.  The Vanderbilt medium oil or coal  tender tooling already exists.

Interestingly, the Harriman and some other engines could be pretty close, thanks to Bachmann going with the USRA light 2-8-2.  The reason--and I've mentioned this before--anything fairly modern in steam--which is to say anything with a trailing truck--will have, for a given driver size, an equally consistent axlw spacing that's about three or four inches greater than the driver size.  I think this is a minimal spacing to accomodate flanges and brake rigging, which in turn minimizes wheelbase. 

What this means is that anything with, say, 63-inch or 64-inch drivers--which would be most 2-8-2s, including USRA engines in both light and heavy versions, Harriman engines, NYC H-7s and H-10s, C&O K2s and K3s, and who knows what else--will have the same axle spacing and same driving wheelbase, very possibly a close overall frame length and total wheelbase.  What this means is you can use the same mechanism for all of these models, possibly only changing out valve gear, cylinders, and the trailing truck, plus of course a different superstructure and tender.  Bachmann already does this with its 80-inch drivered 4-8-4s (the Daylight, the Niagara, and the ATSF Baldwin), and Bachmann and another manufacturer offered what would have had to be interchangeable valve gears on USRA light and heavy 2-10-2s. 

Other possibilities would include variations on the USRA/C&O H4 2-6-6-2 (the C&O engine was apparently copied by a number of roads if the specifications for grate area, wheelbase, cylinder dimensions, and overall weight are any indication), and other 4-6-2s that would be based on the existing PRR K4s mechanism (one that comes immediately to mind is the B&O P-7, the famous President class, which had nearly idendical mechanical specifications, very similar if not identical looking valve gear, the differences being a radial stay firebox and 250 psi boiler pressure vs. 205 on othe K4s). 

So, so much that might be possible with a lot of what's already in the parts bin. . .
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Trainman203 on September 07, 2015, 11:11:08 AM
The Harriman 2-8-0 would only need a new boiler on top of the existing 2-8-0 mechanism. And omit the Bsker valve gear on some models.  They did that once before.

The SP oil and UP coal vanderbilt tenders are already there.  I do wish that the new engines would come with screw-.on domes though.  Not having a big hole to fill on top of the boiler makes mods so much easier.  It really can't add "that much" expense.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: rogertra on September 07, 2015, 01:32:07 PM
Quote from: Trainman203 on September 07, 2015, 11:11:08 AM


The SP oil and UP coal vanderbilt tenders are already there.  I do wish that the new engines would come with screw-.on domes though.  Not having a big hole to fill on top of the boiler makes mods so much easier.  It really can't add "that much" expense.

I agree with this idea.  Make life a lot easier for us kitbashers.  Sadly though, we have to keep in mind the Powers That Be are probably not modellers and to them they are just making toy trains so they will not see advantage of screw on domes and sandboxes as a benefit.  The same thinking is probably behind the dumbing down of the Spectrum line.  Less details, more profit.

Cheers

Roger T.

Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Bucksco on September 07, 2015, 01:44:28 PM
Quote from: rogertra on September 07, 2015, 01:32:07 PM
Quote from: Trainman203 on September 07, 2015, 11:11:08 AM


The SP oil and UP coal vanderbilt tenders are already there.  I do wish that the new engines would come with screw-.on domes though.  Not having a big hole to fill on top of the boiler makes mods so much easier.  It really can't add "that much" expense.

I agree with this idea.  Make life a lot easier for us kitbashers.  Sadly though, we have to keep in mind the Powers That Be are probably not modellers and to them they are just making toy trains so they will not see advantage of screw on domes and sandboxes as a benefit.  The same thinking is probably behind the dumbing down of the Spectrum line.  Less details, more profit.

Cheers

Roger T.



Unfortunately most modelers are not well acquainted with the actual design and tool making process that is involved in the production of a "Toy train". Some of the requests made by modelers sound great in theory but there are restrictions involved when designing and engineering a piece of tooling that prohibit ideas such as modular domes.
Contrary to your statement there are a number of "modelers" on staff with the Bachmann product development department. As far as the Spectrum and standard line are concerned newer models are being designed so that they can be "serviced". They exhibit a high level of detail and can be taken apart and serviced without destroying the detail. The new Mikado was displayed at the recent NMRA show and received nothing but praise for it's level of detail and running characteristics.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Skarloey Railway on September 07, 2015, 01:47:21 PM
At the risk of being awkward, doesn't the new 4-4-0 have modular domes?
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: J3a-614 on September 07, 2015, 01:57:32 PM
Quote from: Trainman203 on September 07, 2015, 11:11:08 AM
The Harriman 2-8-0 would only need a new boiler on top of the existing 2-8-0 mechanism. And omit the Bsker valve gear on some models.  They did that once before.

I admit to not being an expert on Illinois Central steam, but isn't this 2-8-0--which is based on an IC engine in the 900 series--already a Harriman design? 

P.S.--some people have worked on this model to bring it to its IC roots, the big change being an IC box sand dome, and in some cases, adding dual air compressors on the front of the frame (with associated modifications to plumbing and running boards, and removal of the air compressor on the left side).  Even the cab is correct for a late era IC 900, and the tender might be right as well--like a lot of roads, IC did a lot of tender swapping. 

Now for the IC 2-8-2 based on the Harriman design, and getting some heavy USRA 2-10-2s from a certain other vendor (with those IC domes and a corrugated steel pilot), and diesels for other things like passenger trains, and you have a decent start on a late (1950s era) IC steam roster, better than what you could do outside of all brass not so many years ago. . .
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Trainman203 on September 07, 2015, 04:35:04 PM
It's a very heavily modified Harriman.  The scallops in the cab roof over hang are a giveaway.   However, the domes are wrong for SP and UP. The smoke box front isn't right either.  A new boiler with screw on domes would be wonderful.   Wouldn't  take much to make a great engine.

A Harriman  boiler for the 2-8-2 would be nice too.  Again ..... The tenders are already available.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Trainman203 on September 07, 2015, 05:01:49 PM
Long years ago, Cary used to make replacement boilers for Mantua mechanisms, to produce USRA engines.  They were total stripped-down castings that let the modeler add everything.  And they were quite popular in their day.

The market appears wide open for some  entrepreneur to do the same thing for Bachmann mechanisms.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: alco9000fan on September 08, 2015, 01:19:04 AM
Well, this is rather different. Being gone for a day sure makes you miss a lot of things.

On a note from seeing what I have read: some people say "generic" and "Harriman" steamers are just like the names imply, I look at it this way..... Even though most people say this, it's pretty much all that we have had on the market to get us started in the hobby. Without those "generic" steam locomotives, where would we be now? Bet we haven't thought that way before huh?  :P

Also according to some, this post is an "yearly thing seen almost every year, our suggestions stay the same" kinda post. But really I see it as a motivation because everyone has an opinion on what they'd like to see. And maybe a manufacture can produce one such model if they've got enough hits at one.

Something I thought about today. I would really love to see old timer 50'-70' passenger cars similar to the old Labelle kits that cost an arm and a leg!! Preferably I would be one to see them come undecorated so we have uniquely applied decals and lettering to our preferences and tastes! But as some don't want to get there hands in that, offer about 4 main roads available. Of corse they could be Spectrum, but even the Silver Series can offer many detail specific looks to a specific road!

I am liking all of everyone's ideas, and it doesn't have to be "steam only"y'all. It can be anything one may desires and want to get out finally for some exposure! I myself would like to see Bachmann attempt a electric box cab or something someone hasn't made yet.

Good day all!
Marc.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Trainman203 on September 08, 2015, 08:56:08 AM
You need generic, Alco, because as much as the C&O fan wants his Greenbriar, Milwaukee Road wants his Milwaukee Road engines, or Punxatawny Phil wants his K4, the appeal of those engines is pretty much limited  to the model railroad fans of that road.

On the other hand, generic can be made to be, or imagined to be, almost anything.  USRA engines were used all over  the east and South.  Harriman engines were used in much territory west of the Mississippi and below the Platte River, so a lot of ground is covered ......whereas a Greenbriar is limited to a few small eastern states.

I'm not sure what "generic"early model  steam engines you refer to.  I was there to see and run them.  Mantua's 2-8-2 was a C&O engine supposedly, the 4-6-2 was B&O.  Penn Line's engines were all PRR.  Varney's 4-6-0 and 2-8-0 were supposedly SP, as was MDC's 0-6-0.  The rest of MDC's pre 70 s engines were all ATSF, until their, and die-cast's last hurrah, their Harriman series, which "were" generic.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: ebtnut on September 08, 2015, 10:50:21 AM
I did actually see one of the helium tank cars in service many years ago, somewhere in the NE Corridor.  The original Ambroid kit was part of their "One of 5,000" series of kits -  only 5,000 of each kit made.  I don't remember if Northeastern re-issued the kit way later.  I built one of the vinegar tank cars back in the day.  It has not survived the years well.  Also so one those prototypes sitting on a siding in Chicago when I was riding the CNW from boot camp in Great Lakes into town for a one-day liberty.  That was late '67/early '68. 
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Len on September 08, 2015, 11:02:43 AM
Quote from: Trainman203 on September 06, 2015, 10:29:45 AM
To all of you modelers that want to see electric locomotives offered ........ do you have catenary on your layout?  What percentage of layouts have catenary?  Or is everyone happy running overhead powered electrics on the model railroad version of the air guitar, an "Invisible Friend"? 

I have some NH style catenary on my layout, built from a series of articles in MR or RMC (I forget which) some years ago. And I have a number of friends who operate electrics with "Air catenary", and it doesn't bother them a bit.

Even local modular club members run electrics on the club layout at shows, which doesn't have a bit of catenary on it anywhere. And the crowd loves them.

Len
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: electrical whiz kid on September 08, 2015, 09:20:14 PM
This departs a dite, but I'll toss it out there anywhere.  On one of my supplier's site, I found a really nice pony assembly/front end that will probably fit a Bachmann 2-8-8-4, if anyone of you hardy modellers Would want to "take the plunge" and build yourself a "DM&IR "Yellowstone".

Because of nature of this site, I am remiss to give the supplier's info out on this (or any other supplier's ) site-I think it is just good manners not to do so.
I will say that it is brass, and would make that 2-8-8-4 look like a million!!

Rich C.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: ryeguyisme on September 09, 2015, 09:51:59 PM
Quote from: Trainman203 on September 07, 2015, 05:01:49 PM
Long years ago, Cary used to make replacement boilers for Mantua mechanisms, to produce USRA engines.  They were total stripped-down castings that let the modeler add everything.  And they were quite popular in their day.

The market appears wide open for some  entrepreneur to do the same thing for Bachmann mechanisms.

There is a rendition of the Cary boilers that was a Harriman style, of course I figure they must be rare as I've only seen it once in my lifetime. I suppose the one's out there are probably held onto like grim death.

I think Harriman style  mid-size steam would be great. We seem to have bigger engines like 4-8-4's, 4-12-2's, 4-6-6-4's(The NP/SP&S Challenger is coming soon!) and 4-8-8-2's and a pollution of 4-8-8-4's for western roads, how about a shot of glory for the unsung  hoggers of the west, the 2-8-2's and the 2-8-0's.

This may not be Harriman, but I have been pushing myself into different techniques for modifying Bachmann engines.
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I'm sure with added detail and paint, one probably wouldn't recognize it as Bachmann/Spectrum 2-8-0
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Irbricksceo on September 11, 2015, 10:39:52 PM
There are many, many, skilled modelers here. That is definitely undeniable. I feel however that certain thoughts are being projected on others. I'm glad that they aren't doing baseline generics with no detail because I could never add the detail myself, I don't have the skill that detailing and customizing requires, let alone the money and time!. Bachmann is a company, if they are offering specifics and not those stripped down models that were mentioned, its because the industry has realized that it is more profitable to do so. As for spectrum, yeah, I miss it, though I understand where too much detail makes a loco impossible to service (looking at the 2-10-0 on that one). But my SY 142 is my favorite engine by far and it has a TON of detail. However I feel some aren't giving the new standard line a fair shot. I don't own a 4-8-2 (though I'd love to) but it seems to have less detail than the 2-8-4, a standard line loco.

Just sharing my thoughts.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: the Bach-man on September 11, 2015, 10:48:05 PM
Dear Rich,
I love Yellowstones!
What's the link?
Thanks!
the Bach-man
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Len on September 11, 2015, 10:57:14 PM
Quote from: electrical whiz kid on September 08, 2015, 09:20:14 PM
This departs a dite, but I'll toss it out there anywhere.  On one of my supplier's site, I found a really nice pony assembly/front end that will probably fit a Bachmann 2-8-8-4, if anyone of you hardy modellers Would want to "take the plunge" and build yourself a "DM&IR "Yellowstone".

Because of nature of this site, I am remiss to give the supplier's info out on this (or any other supplier's ) site-I think it is just good manners not to do so.
I will say that it is brass, and would make that 2-8-8-4 look like a million!!
Rich C.

Rich,

I don't think Bachmann has a problem with pointing foks at sites for detail parts for Bachmann locos to make them road specific, or just to add parts that should be there Bachmann didn't include. Now pointing to competitors equivalent products is a whole 'nother story.

Len
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Desertdweller on September 11, 2015, 11:07:01 PM
Kudos to J3a for reminding us that IC was a Harriman road, too.  Too often when I think of Harriman roads, all the come to mind are UP and SP.

Les
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: electrical whiz kid on September 13, 2015, 01:11:11 PM


I love Yellowstones!
What's the link?
Thanks!
the Bach-man

  Dave (Or who ever the Bachmann is at this date)
The site is Greenway.com  .  I have known them and have bought their products for about ten years, and have never been dissatisfied.  Al and Bill are tremendous guys, and will be there to help and assist.
I picked up some brass four-wheel express trucks, specifically for two tenders; both will be behind the mikes I am building.  A word about Bachmann:  The mechanisms-as well as the structures themselves-are "par excellente", and are good enough to stand on their own merit on my layout as well as most guys out there-and I certainly have no qualms about looking at any locomotive and doing a "Bill Schopp" to it, in order to get what I want.  The worst thing to happen is  that you wind up tossing it away.  It's NOT a living thing; it is only a mechanism, so no problem.

Rich C.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Trainman203 on September 13, 2015, 06:50:37 PM
I like Yellowstones too but aren't there enough articulated engines already?  And not enough small engines?
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Trainman203 on September 13, 2015, 07:10:16 PM
Quote from: Desertdweller on September 11, 2015, 11:07:01 PM
Kudos to J3a for reminding us that IC was a Harriman road, too.  Too often when I think of Harriman roads, all the come to mind are UP and SP.


Les

And NO ONE remembers that the Central of Georgia was a Harriman line too.  We are stuck in an SP, UP, ATSF, PRR and NYC mold, when there were DOZENS of now fallen flags.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Trainman203 on September 13, 2015, 07:15:46 PM
"...........doing a "Bill Schopp" to it......."

Rich.  You are showing your age.  And mine.  To remember the immortal Mr. Schopp.  Let's take a poll and see who else does. And, if I'm not mistaken, wasn't that a pen name?  If so, who would rembember his real name.

Or am I thinking of "Eric LaNal"?
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Len on September 13, 2015, 07:52:19 PM
I'm pretty sure Bill "If it's brass, bash!" Schopp was his real name.

I think some of the things he did would give current brass collectors, as Aunt Emma would say, "The vapors." Or maybe apoplexy. ;D

Len
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: RAM on September 13, 2015, 10:51:24 PM
That was back when __ __  magazine was worth reading over and over.  To day, one time and I am done with it.  I don't know, maybe age has something to do with it.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: J3a-614 on September 13, 2015, 11:10:09 PM
Quote from: Trainman203 on September 13, 2015, 07:10:16 PM
And NO ONE remembers that the Central of Georgia was a Harriman line too.  We are stuck in an SP, UP, ATSF, PRR and NYC mold, when there were DOZENS of now fallen flags.

You find out something new all the time!  I didn't know about the Harriman connection with the CofG until now.

http://railga.com/cofg.html

http://donsdepot.donrossgroup.net/dr1040.htm
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: J3a-614 on September 13, 2015, 11:14:52 PM
Quote from: RAM on September 13, 2015, 10:51:24 PM
That was back when __ __  magazine was worth read over and over.  To day, one time and I am done with it.  I don't know, maybe age has something to do with it.

I suspect part of that might be the relative lack of steam locomotive articles compared with the days of John Allen, Bill Schopp, and others. . .and ditto for MR. 

When's the last time we saw locomotive drawings in MR, particularly steam, that we used to see with some frequency?
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: quark51 on September 14, 2015, 12:28:41 AM
Release the locomotives that are sold only with sound and dcc without sound and dcc like the SD70ACe and ES44AC and Norfolk Southern F7B #4275.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Len on September 14, 2015, 07:58:18 AM
Quote from: quark51 on September 14, 2015, 12:28:41 AM
Release the locomotives that are sold only with sound and dcc without sound and dcc like the SD70ACe and ES44AC and Norfolk Southern F7B #4275.

That might even get them into a price range I can afford. Being retired on a fixed income does have it's down side.

Len
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: electrical whiz kid on September 14, 2015, 08:22:23 PM
Trainman, Len, and others...
HAW!!! ;D  Yep-showing my age; why I do not date twenty-some-things...

I first read Model Railroader overseas in June, 66, my first TDY to SEA.  Trust me, I had little other than my job to do at the assignment, so the base library believe it or not-carried a subscription  to MR.  First layout I looked at was the A&LP; Whit Towers' layout.  The rest has been downhill...
Seriously, I would not advocate duplicating a 2-8-8-4 to a "Yellowstone" product to sell.  These were wonderfully 'statement-full' iron horses; but you can use an existing Bachmann to achieve that end. The parts are out there; anyone who can read can modify one; it is that easy.  Trust me; unless you are going to do a complete brass rebuild of a COMPLETELY DETAILED locomotive, modifying a plastic Bachmann is going to be a lark!  I have seen 'brass-on-brass' super-detailing, and it is NOT for the faint of heart.  Try doing a plastic modification; you probably won't be sorry you did.

Rich C.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: quark51 on September 14, 2015, 08:36:25 PM
Bachmann should produce many of its locomotives that have sound and dcc only without sound and dcc, not everyone has deep pockets to shell out 150.00 or more because Bachmann does not want to be bothered to produce the locomotives without sound and dcc. I noticed that other companies that sell model trains sell them with sound and dcc and non sound and dcc. I am not going to mention the other companies here. I am not trying to bash Bachmann because about half of the locomotives I own are Bachmann.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: ryeguyisme on September 15, 2015, 06:51:27 PM
Quote from: electrical whiz kid on September 14, 2015, 08:22:23 PM
I have seen 'brass-on-brass' super-detailing, and it is NOT for the faint of heart. 


Definitely wouldn't recommend my methods to get a cab off to make a Sports cab for a couple brass engines:


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don't try this at home kiddos! ::) :-X
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Desertdweller on September 15, 2015, 10:52:44 PM
I remember Bill Schopp.  And Alan Rice (Eric Lanal), Whit Towers, John Allen, and all the rest.  I would read Schopp's conversion articles with fascination, as he chopped up (now) priceless brass locos while I couldn't even afford the plastic versions.  Wouldn't you like to look through his "scrap box"?

Les
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: ryeguyisme on September 15, 2015, 10:59:24 PM
Quote from: Desertdweller on September 15, 2015, 10:52:44 PM
I remember Bill Schopp.  And Alan Rice (Eric Lanal), Whit Towers, John Allen, and all the rest.  I would read Schopp's conversion articles with fascination, as he chopped up (now) priceless brass locos while I couldn't even afford the plastic versions.  Wouldn't you like to look through his "scrap box"?

Les

The more I've seen his name floating around the various forums and the few articles he's written I can't help by want to see more of his stuff.  I chop up brass all the time now to get what I want considering the prices coming down makes it somewhat easier to get obscure locomotives. I love freelancing :)
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: electrical whiz kid on September 16, 2015, 11:14:44 AM
Rye;
If you have access to back issues of "Railroad model craftsman", look to the issues prior to about 1974.  He was pretty good, and his knowledge of brass conversions is really good.
I got interested in his stuff, as I said before, when I was in SEA. 
Rich C.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Trainman203 on September 16, 2015, 05:08:52 PM
Around 1962 or 1963 a guy, I think his name was Bob Darwin, did a long series about superdetailing a brass Big Boy with a few thousand lost wax castings.  Man, he was down almost down to soldering individual rivets everywhere.  The articles were called "The Art of Superdetailing.".
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: ebtnut on September 17, 2015, 10:46:30 AM
I remember reading those articles on superdetailing the Big Boy.  MR got some flack from readers asking why spend all that ink when most of them can't afford a brass Big Boy.  The answer was in the larger view of understanding Darwin's techniques, problem-solving and general knowledge of what all those castings represented and how they worked on the prototype, applicable to any superdetailing job.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Trainman203 on September 17, 2015, 05:20:46 PM
Some more names from down model railroading' s memory lane ...... E.L Moore.  Chuck Yungkurth. Gil Melle.  Gordon Odegard.  Bill McClanahan.  Paul Jansen.  Ben King.

E.L. Moore was my favorite.  He did a southern hillbilly shortline full of puns and twists , which in turn made me create mine which lives to this day.  Whatever happened to him?

And who did the Grey Burro Line?  A 4'x4' HO layout with not one piece of straight track.  It was all  curved switches and beautifully detailed.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: alco9000fan on September 17, 2015, 06:08:24 PM
Ok everyone.. Pardon my long absence. I've been busy with life and see that some are starting to get off topic.

As another input, I would also agree that the reintroduction from Bachmann 4-6-0 is a great start. Also, looking on the store online I noticed these are somewhat prototyped. Maybe we can also see some exclusives to certain lines, and so forth. As far as anything modern, I can't apply my words worth to that as I don't particularly care for modern equipment. So forgive me my fellow modern modelers!

I also saw that Bachmann is going to start manufacturing E units! That I am very excited to see, and would love to see some on my layout even though I am strictly steam. If I can suggest one, may we be see the GM "Train of Tomorrow" as I am also a GM enthusiast and could Bachmann also make the dome liner train following the units?? It's very scarce to get a "Train of Tomorrow" and even going into the Union Pacific era!

Just letting the gears spin and possibly Bachmann can consider my pleas!!  ;)

Marc.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: electrical whiz kid on September 18, 2015, 07:34:51 AM
on EL Moore:

I got a kick out of one article in particular; it was in one of the 67 issues of RMC; it was "W.E.Snatchem, undertakers"
From which, I believe an AHM building kit evolved.  As he did a lot of stuff in balsa, he also took a couple of good-natured swipes at Northeastern model railroad sy. "Mr. Northeastern"; referring to the model wood mfgr in Methuen Mass.

Schopp was an influence on my modeling skills, and thought process dealing with this hobby, as well.

There was also a 4-8-8-4 built of 24KT GOLD by some doctor in Italy.  Ahhh, the good ol' days....
Rich C.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: jonathan on September 18, 2015, 08:38:11 AM
OK, I'll chime in as well.

Would love to see Bachmann do the B&O S-1a 2-10-2.

For years and years... and years, Rivarossi, then IHC produced the S1a, which are now ancient.  The revitalized Rivarossi no longer has the molds and has no intention of reproducing this model, from what I've read anyway.

The EM1 is selling like hotcakes, why not the S1a?

I have a brass one, but as a true collector's item, it never comes out of the box.  Would love to have one I could run and run and run.

Well, we can dream anyway.  :)

Regards,

Jonathan
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: ebtnut on September 18, 2015, 09:56:17 AM
I keep and eye out at train shows for the Rivarossi S-1's at something approaching a reasonable price.  My goal is to mate the superstructure to an IHC 2-10-2 that has the right size drivers and runs much better than the Rivarossis ever did.  I agree it would be great if Bachmann did one, but they did the USRA Light which is more generic and can be lettered for a number of differnt roads. 
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: jonathan on September 18, 2015, 11:26:11 AM
ebtnut,

I considered the same project.  :) I know others have done this successfully.

At train shows, the vendors are aware of this and price these old locomotives outrageously.  I can't bring myself to pay big bucks for well-used/aged equipment. 

Regards,

Jonathan 
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: electrical whiz kid on September 18, 2015, 08:55:39 PM
Jonathan;
You can't-and I wouldn't.  Some of these guys should be hoisting the Jolly Roger so we know where the cut-throats are hiding.
As I look at about twenty drawer cases of parts, I have to wonder where I got them all!  Never mind-I know...
Well, the Mike is almost ready for the paint booth, and I am thinking about the next one-a veritable twin.  One of the things I have learned is to keep my locomotive collection on the rails consolidated to the fewest possible types, based upon demands by industry.  I think I am happiest by using prototypical concepts, such as "based upon demand", etc.  This keeps an otherwise believable roster from looking like the Brookdale Zoo!

Rich C.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Desertdweller on September 18, 2015, 10:41:31 PM
E.L. Moore:  If there were a Model Railroading Hall of Fame, he should be in the first rank.  His creations were sometimes used as the basis for plastic kits.  The Molasses Mine, the Garbage Train, The Watermelon Train.  Sometimes the articles were accompanied by poems.

I had visions of an elaborate Southern shortline model railroad with logging camps and moonshine stills.  But from what I have read, he might not even have had a model railroad.
Apparently, he lived in a small house or apartment, and his zany creations were built on a 1960's era metal "TV tray"!

His models would have fit in well on John Allen's Gorre and Daphetid RR.

Les
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: electrical whiz kid on September 20, 2015, 07:09:15 PM
Les;
I had heard something to that same thing.  According to others, E.L. Moore lived a relative quietly modest life.  I had as well, heard that he didn't have an actual railroad layout.  Some of us actually never get around to doing one.  One of his "poems" went:  Under the spreading chestnut tree, the village smithy stands (complete with photo of the smithy working at his craft under-you guessed it... the spreading chestnut...tree...

It was good to be in part of the good old days...

Rich C.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: BaltoOhioRRfan on September 20, 2015, 08:24:29 PM
Quote from: ebtnut on September 18, 2015, 09:56:17 AM
I keep and eye out at train shows for the Rivarossi S-1's at something approaching a reasonable price.  My goal is to mate the superstructure to an IHC 2-10-2 that has the right size drivers and runs much better than the Rivarossis ever did.  I agree it would be great if Bachmann did one, but they did the USRA Light which is more generic and can be lettered for a number of differnt roads. 


I did that with two of em, IHC Chassis, Rivarossi shell. I used bachmann vanderbuilt tenders though.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: ryeguyisme on September 20, 2015, 11:47:51 PM
Quote from: jonathan on September 18, 2015, 08:38:11 AM
OK, I'll chime in as well.

Would love to see Bachmann do the B&O S-1a 2-10-2.

For years and years... and years, Rivarossi, then IHC produced the S1a, which are now ancient.  The revitalized Rivarossi no longer has the molds and has no intention of reproducing this model, from what I've read anyway.

The EM1 is selling like hotcakes, why not the S1a?

I have a brass one, but as a true collector's item, it never comes out of the box.  Would love to have one I could run and run and run.

Well, we can dream anyway.  :)

Regards,

Jonathan

I'll take a few if they have surface mount domes, it'd make D&RGW F-81 clones a bit easier to pull off ;)
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: the Bach-man on September 21, 2015, 12:05:25 AM
Dear DD,
There is, in fact, a Model Railroad Hall of Fame, and we at Bachmann are proud to count three Bach-men among the inductees: H. Lee Riley, our Director of Product Development, Dick Maddox, retired Senior Vice President, and Bud Reece, recently retired Senior Vice President.
You can see all the members here: http://www.hmahobby.org/?page_id=82
Have fun!
the Bach-man
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: ryeguyisme on September 21, 2015, 12:18:48 AM
Quote from: electrical whiz kid on September 16, 2015, 11:14:44 AM
Rye;
If you have access to back issues of "Railroad model craftsman", look to the issues prior to about 1974.  He was pretty good, and his knowledge of brass conversions is really good.
I got interested in his stuff, as I said before, when I was in SEA. 
Rich C.

It's a good thing my Father saved all his Railroad Model Craftsman magazines... you know the older magazines (MRR too) had some magic to them that made me more of a kitbasher growing up. How guys out there would recreate something they wanted kitbashing with mere house hold items even to recreate a certain steam locomotive they desired, the days even when Ready to Run was a premium and you had to be mechanically inclined to make a nicely running engine out of a kit.

One of my biggest challenges in the hobby is trying to recreate the engines I feel are unique.

(https://scontent-lga1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/12003129_313349265455499_177853568630490160_n.jpg?oh=d67a7d7291f856a5be9b9d54e4dcd336&oe=565D93D1)
(https://scontent-lga1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/12038293_313349102122182_8631423102551125023_n.jpg?oh=37e3f4e83658b3eaef0001e848179e82&oe=5698D0E5)

Even if they never existed in real life:

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Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: austrian on September 21, 2015, 01:00:52 PM
I would like to see a range of locos that are offered as basic models with good mechanism and basic generic detail that are affordable offered in standard range and the same model as Spectrum with road specific details.

For example:
USRA heavy pacific offerd as generic model with basic detail in different roadnames and unlettered offered in standard range.
The same loco offered as ERIE K5A in the Spectrum range.

A pet hate of mine is the lottery wheter the roadname I want is sound value of just DCC fitted. I only buy sound value locos and would prefer unfitted locos if no sound value version is offered.
For modelers not wanting DCC or wanting full spec sound decoders DCC  ready is fine. For beginner not wanting to fiddle with decoder or modeler on tight budeget sound value is fine. So please offer all locos as DCC ready and sound value.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: NevinW on September 25, 2015, 12:11:48 PM
Spectrum quality slide valve 0-6-0 with sound and sloped tender.  Spectum quality 2-8-0 similar to their 4-6-0. 
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: electrical whiz kid on September 26, 2015, 01:14:22 PM
Rye;
On "never comes out of the box", let me chime in.

Among the guitars I own are two Gibson Les Paul customs-pre Norlin, pre 1960.  Do I know what they are worth?  Yes, I do.  Do I not play them?  Are you nuts?  Why did I buy them in the first place?  My point is simply; if you went through the trouble of working hard for the sheckels  it takes to buy this animal, indulge yourself-don't let it sit around for your heirs to enjoy.  My son, Drew will acquire what is left of the 'Pauls after I am gone-same with MY brass as well.  If you were 65, and found a 20-something hottie, would you not...?

Rich C.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: ryeguyisme on September 28, 2015, 06:12:53 PM
Quote from: electrical whiz kid on September 26, 2015, 01:14:22 PM
Rye;
On "never comes out of the box", let me chime in.

Among the guitars I own are two Gibson Les Paul customs-pre Norlin, pre 1960.  Do I know what they are worth?  Yes, I do.  Do I not play them?  Are you nuts?  Why did I buy them in the first place?  My point is simply; if you went through the trouble of working hard for the sheckels  it takes to buy this animal, indulge yourself-don't let it sit around for your heirs to enjoy.  My son, Drew will acquire what is left of the 'Pauls after I am gone-same with MY brass as well.  If you were 65, and found a 20-something hottie, would you not...?

Rich C.

one of the favorite phrases I love to coin: if you want to look at something, buy a poster

I plan to run everything I own even the Berlyn Locomotive Works M-67 I have, it's going to be part of my mail train. (Coasting drive doesn't seem like a great idea for heavy tonnage wouldn't you think?)
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: ryeguyisme on September 28, 2015, 06:15:01 PM
Quote from: NevinW on September 25, 2015, 12:11:48 PM
Spectrum quality slide valve 0-6-0 with sound and sloped tender.  Spectum quality 2-8-0 similar to their 4-6-0. 

A spectrum quality or even a standard line 2-8-0 version of the Bachmann 4-6-0 would be most welcome on my rails, especially if it's low drivers with valve gear
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: rrbob on October 01, 2015, 09:09:55 PM
Bring back the 2-8-0 with sound. Or sell the DCC/sound module separate for it.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Bucksco on October 02, 2015, 09:27:39 AM
http://www.soundtraxx.com/dsd/tsunami/1000.php
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: brokenrail on October 03, 2015, 09:16:54 AM
Hello,
Have seen many suggestions for modified or older discontinued offerings.May I suggest offering some of the discontinued steam and diesel offerings in undecorated kits with most of the part options in the box .Kind of like a kit form and let these modelers have there way with them .Many of us had experience with those Athearn kit that are no more and nothing has filled that void in the hobby for those who want to build or to show how the next generation of model railroaders how it is done if you want to build customize to your favorite railroad without breaking the bank with a ready made product that most would have to disassemble anyways to. So this along with ordering more parts and or making there own when it can all be in one box or available from the Bachmann since it seems there getting into having a parts inventory and thumbs up for that.  Just another idea!

Johnny
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: electrical whiz kid on October 03, 2015, 07:13:31 PM
Johnny;
You  know, you said it already":  Kits with parts to do as you wish.  OK, so actually, you have that at your disposal right now.  If you are into steam locomotives, you can pick up a "basic" Bachmann "spectrum" locomotive and modify it to your heart's content.  I can name you several brass detail sources; also, there is Bachmann's parts section of this site. The best approach would be to just be alert, and go to the sites you either read or hear about.  The same could be said about diesels and electrics.  Another source-is evil bay.
In terms of expertise:  You do not learn or become good at something if you do not work at it.  As they say; practice makes perfect.
Like I said, stay alert and this, being a cumulative thing, will come to you.

Rich C.
Title: Locos to expand the trainset
Post by: austrian on October 15, 2015, 01:33:43 PM
I have the Thunder Chief trainset with a sound value equipped Santa Fe F7 in the blue freight livery, a very nice loco.

(http://abload.de/img/sam_1336_800_20fr58.jpg) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=sam_1336_800_20fr58.jpg)

It would be great if Bachmann could offer sound value F7A and F7B in the same livery,  to make F7A-B or F7A-B-A consists.

Thomas
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Len on October 15, 2015, 04:10:36 PM
Or even an F7A-A consist.

Len
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: J3a-614 on October 16, 2015, 01:21:54 PM
Thank you for sharing, Dr. Wayne; beautiful engines, including the reboilered Bachmanns.

I don't always get to comment at the level I used to do, but I still look, and still appreciate, steam models, including altered engines like these.  This is what model railroading used to be with a lot less to work with!
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: rogertra on October 16, 2015, 01:52:12 PM
Quote from: doctorwayne on October 16, 2015, 12:37:33 AM

Had we been doing this "suggestions" thing way back when, my vote would have been for modern Ten Wheelers.  ;D   Nowadays, I can't really think of anything I need in the way of locomotives.

Wayne


Wayne.


Excellent locos.  Do you have photos anywhere of how you converted the slide valves to piston valves as I'd like to do the same thing?

And I agree, a modernised 4-6-0 would be great as the current 4-6-0 is, for my taste, too old wild west looking.

Cheers

Roger T.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: jbsmith on October 16, 2015, 08:32:04 PM
2-4-2 are interesting and different
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: wiley209 on October 16, 2015, 08:41:15 PM
I think a train set similar to the Bachmann "Golden Star" set from the '90s should be made. For those unfamiliar...
(http://www.euromodeltrains.com/trains/products/Walthers1/160/608.gif)
In addition to the 7-unit train hauled by a Union Pacific GP40, it also included a 56x38" oval of E-Z Track, and several Plasticville kits like the Suburban Station, the Barn, Farm Buildings, the School House and the Signal Bridge, along with a picket fence set, park assortment, and the usual signs, poles and figures. Although this was originally made in the 90s, the stuff featured in this set is still made today, though the Union Pacific GP40 would obviously be the newer and improved model (compared to the older one used back then), and the rolling stock would have body-mount knuckle couplers. It's an ideal set for someone who wants to start out in building a model railroad town.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: rogertra on October 16, 2015, 11:02:40 PM
Quote from: doctorwayne on October 16, 2015, 05:58:12 PM
Thanks for the kind words, guys.

Roger, there's a thread HERE (http://bigbluetrains.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=7206) with lots of photos on that rebuild, including the changes to the valve chest/cylinder assembly.


Wayne

Wayne.

Excellent.  I've booked marked it for future reference.

Many thanks.

Roger T.

Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Skarloey Railway on October 17, 2015, 07:32:08 AM
I don't get the idea that the 4-6-0 is too old-time looking. Not knowing the prototype I just checked the Ma & Pa version and the prototype was built in 1906 and retired in 1955. That covers the eras most steam-age modellers like to build.

Personally, the prototypes (both British and US) that would get me back into modelling date from the 1860s to 1910s.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: J3a-614 on October 17, 2015, 04:33:07 PM
So many having commented on the Backmann 4-6-0 looking older than they would like has finally gotten me to say a bit about that. . .

For the record, we've noted that the low-boiler, low driver vrsion is based on a Maryland & Pennsylvania prototype, and it wouldn't surprise me if the prototype was a stock engine and might have been build with a slightly different cylinder block and Stephenson valve gear.

To me, the high driver, high boiler version looks also llike a stock Baldwin design used as a passenger engine on a number of roads in the Deep South.

Something very similar went to a railroad in Nevada, and it runs there today:

http://museum.escubes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/7908.1324838376.jpg

http://museum.escubes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/IMG01425.jpg

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Now here's a really interesting detail about this engine, and it was also common on a lot of engines in the south, including on Southern Railway---take a closer look at the cylinder block and valve chest, particularly in the first photograph.  Also note the steam pipes coming out of the smokebox, such as would be for a piston-valve engine.  That's because this engine does have piston valves, in a so-called "universal" valve conversion "kit" that was available in the steam age.  The giveaway, besides the steam pipes, is the tall valve "box" with the circular end covers where the valves themselves are.  

This was, as noted, a fairly common conversion job, and was typically undertaken when a locomotive was converted from saturated to superheated steam; the latter didn't work too well with flat or "D" valves due to lubrication problems.  There was some debate on this among mechanical men about whether the lower cost savings of retaining the existing cylinder block might not be offset by better steam flow with a newer (but more expensive) cylinder block, but the item of note is that (a) such a prototype installation of flat valves and outside valve gear was not too unusual, and (b) we now have yet ANOTHER fun prototype example to follow!

No. 40 also has an early version of Baker valve gear.  Another engine with this type of valve gear is Strasburg (ex-N&W) 475, a 4-8-0.

The use of flat valves with outside gear was not limited to older wheel arrangements such as 4-6-0s.  Check out these good-looking 2-8-2s that are still around on the narrow-gauge East Broad Top in Pennsylvania (Sadly the road is currently not operational):

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1674559

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=78635

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=306775

No. 15, the newest of the trio, was built in 1914.  

These represent half of the narrow gauge operational roster when the road closed in 1956.  The other three engines, Nos. 16, 17, and 18, also 2-8-2s ( built in 1916, 1918, and 1920, respectively), are a good deal larger and were built with superheating, piston valves, and Southern valve gear.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2799490

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1911211
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: rogertra on October 17, 2015, 05:08:00 PM
Quote from: doctorwayne on October 17, 2015, 03:27:20 PM
Quote from: Skarloey Railway on October 17, 2015, 07:32:08 AM
I don't get the idea that the 4-6-0 is too old-time looking. Not knowing the prototype I just checked the Ma & Pa version and the prototype was built in 1906 and retired in 1955. That covers the eras most steam-age modellers like to build.

Personally, the prototypes (both British and US) that would get me back into modelling date from the 1860s to 1910s.

I certainly didn't mean to imply that the 4-6-0 was too old-time-looking to be in service, only that it was so for my freelanced road, which I like to think of as up-to-date. 

Wayne

Wayne.

Same here.  Locos that looked like the 4-6-0, with the wedding cake steam dome and sandbox, slide valves, decorative woodwork cab etc.,  on the CPR or CNR disappeared or were rebuilt with "modern" fittings between the wars.  That's the look I will be trying to replicate, if and when I ever get around to rebuilding them.  Which is where the link to your previous posts will come in most handy.  I don't want to reinvent the wheel, I'm quite happy stealing other peoples ideas.  :) 

Cheers

Roger T.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: RAM on October 17, 2015, 09:04:21 PM
There is an interesting story behind NN #40 and the passenger cars.   They had just been overhauled when passenger serve was ended.  The people that ran the railroad just loved them.  So when the big wheels were set to come and check on the mines, the railroad people would take the train and hide it.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Pacific Northern on October 18, 2015, 07:36:45 PM
Quote from: Skarloey Railway on October 17, 2015, 07:32:08 AM
I don't get the idea that the 4-6-0 is too old-time looking. Not knowing the prototype I just checked the Ma & Pa version and the prototype was built in 1906 and retired in 1955. That covers the eras most steam-age modellers like to build.

Personally, the prototypes (both British and US) that would get me back into modelling date from the 1860s to 1910s.

The two versions that Bachmann had of their 4-6-0 offered great diversity. The low driver versions with the small drivers gave it an old wild west type of appearance, while the larger driver version made it look like a much more modern steamer.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: electrical whiz kid on October 18, 2015, 08:46:01 PM
To add some diversity to the mix:

Long about 8 years back, MR (I think) had a photo of a model someone had either built up or bought as it is.  It is a 2-4-4-2; in his case, it was lettered for (don't laugh...) the "Bicci&Orni Railway"  This would be a delightful loco to see offered, albeit probably a losing proposition...
...Of course, some weirdo (like me) would be so inclined to pursue this...

Rich C.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Trainman203 on October 18, 2015, 09:20:22 PM
To me both Bachmann 4-6-0's are over the top beyond cool Dixie short line engines appropriate until the mid 60's.  I wouldn't mind seeing a model of a Missouri Pacific TW-63 ten wheeler, not a whole lot different from  Wayne's beautiful rebuilds.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: WoundedBear on October 18, 2015, 09:41:56 PM
I'm with Rich on a 2-4-4-2. I think one would fit my shortline layout nicely.

(http://loggingmallets.railfan.net/list/lr126/wing-deepriver7.jpg)

Sid
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Ken Clark on October 19, 2015, 12:04:41 AM


   Sid

  I Have a AKANE  2-4-4-2 in Brass, even at over 40 years old, still running if somewhat
noisey. Still a sweet running engine. Time for a grease and lube job.

   Ken C
    GWN
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Rashputin on October 19, 2015, 03:36:36 AM
IMHo, Bachmann is missing a good thing if they don't make come out with NYC L2 series Mohawks (4-8-2, aka Mountains everywhere except on NYC which had more than anyone else) and an H10 2-8-2. Neither is available except in brass and the price of brass ones keeps climbing in spite of the fact that other than the rare stuff brass isn't selling all that well since it doesn't run as well as new non-brass engines.

Look, Broadway already dominates the Pennsy crowd by having produced so far, the Q2, T1, M1, I1, K4, J1, L1, S2, and H10. That pretty well sews up the Pennsy market and someone could work with the NYCHS to get the important things right to do the same for the NYC which has more fans than most people thiink. A good H10 Mike and the L2 series Mohawks are both basically new boilers and details for running gear Bachmann already has. If they're accurate enough and run as well as the other newer Bachmann engines I think they'd sell very, very, well for a long time (I'd sell a kidney and most of my other engines on Ebay to get a half dozen L2s and at least that many H10s).

Then there are the NYC Pacifics which, while not as famous as the Hudsons, seem to be popular but aren't available in anything but poorly operating brass (that I know of at least) and which could use the Bachmann K4 running gear and not compete with BLI periodically running their K4.

Well that's my .02 cents, again. Why no one makes the most common type of 4-8-2 used in the US which is the L2 series Mohawk I just don't know. Just about everyone likes them and their front end plumbing and those who don't do like the late models like the L2d which had a sunken Elesco like a J3 Hudson. Speaking of which, Bachmann could do a lot worse than running a J3a which is not the same as the J1 Hudsons BLI does. Alas, NYC people are out in the cold, really, unless they want a herd of elephant ears and plan on doing without the Mikes and Mohawks that were really the most common engines on the NYC.

Then again, maybe Bachmann doesn't want to make anything that road specific although after several runs of USRA Mikes I was amazed that Bachmann decided to pile more of them onto the market rather than doing something else. I dunno, we can always dream and hope Bachmann will come out with the C&O H7, D&RGW L-131, or maybe the SAL KB1 2-6-6-4. Small market items to be sure, but what the heck, at least there aren't a ton of them on the market already and being re-run every other year by someone else.

While I think of it, anyone know how well the Bachmann EM1 is selling ? That's a killer engine that runs well and I would think sells well. Bachmann stole a march on everyone else with that one.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Skarloey Railway on October 19, 2015, 08:10:52 AM
Quote from: doctorwayne on October 17, 2015, 03:27:20 PM

The one modeller of old-time locos who springs readily to mind for me is Harold Minky.  A google search should take you to some of his stuff if you're not already familiar with it. He does, in my opinion, some very fine work with what's available.

Wayne

Thanks, DR Wayne. Is Harold Minky the Pacific Coast modeller who like 1:55 scale?

And agreed, not much around for the modeller of early rail. Looking forward to reviews of B'mann's new 4-4-0
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Skarloey Railway on October 19, 2015, 08:17:11 AM
Quote from: J3a-614 on October 17, 2015, 04:33:07 PM
So many having commented on the Backmann 4-6-0 looking older than they would like has finally gotten me to say a bit about that. . .

For the record, we've noted that the low-boiler, low driver vrsion is based on a Maryland & Pennsylvania prototype, and it wouldn't surprise me if the prototype was a stock engine and might have been build with a slightly different cylinder block and Stephenson valve gear.


#27 of the Ma & Pa was indeed built with Stephenson valve gear. http://www.maparailroadhist.org/locos/loco27.htm converted in 1922
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Len on October 19, 2015, 08:23:45 AM
I'll take some of those 'Mohawks' Rashputin's suggesting. And I'd take more than a couple if the New Haven I-5 "Hudson" got produced some day.

Len
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: ebtnut on October 19, 2015, 10:03:17 AM
Re:  the 2-4-4-2, the prototype is in fact being restored up in Washington State. 
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Trainman203 on October 20, 2015, 06:39:33 PM
Rashputin:
Mountains everywhere except on NYC which had more than anyone else.

Pf.  Yes, but the rest of them in the country outnumbered those on the NYC.  Some say that the Mountain name came from the 5200 class delivered in 1913 to the St. Louis Iron Mountain and Southern.

Rasputin: Then there are the NYC Pacifics which, while not as famous as the Hudsons, seem to be popular but aren't available in anything but poorly operating brass (that I know of at least) and which could use the Bachmann K4 running gear and not compete with BLI periodically running their K4.

Pf.:   Bowser made a die cast NYC Pacific for many long years.  Supposedly were good runners.  Good looking engine.   Anyone seen one lately?

Rahputin: Why no one makes the most common type of 4-8-2 used in the US which is the L2 series Mohawk I just don't know.

Pf.  I know why.  There are a lot of fans besides NYC fans who want something  else.  I don't want a Mohawk,  I want a MoPac 5200 and 5300 class.

OH.  If you "really" want to be " out in the cold", try being an MP fan.

Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: J3a-614 on October 21, 2015, 02:08:11 AM
I can't get over how much Dr. Wayne's freelanced 4-8-2s are reminiscent of Missouri Pacific in overall appearance--I place that to the feedwater heater, front air compressors, the visored headlight, and the cast pilot.

A USRA Heavy 4-8-2 might be a better starting point for the MP fan:

http://www.trainweb.org/screamingeagle/other/mp5340_stlouis_10-15-47.jpg

http://www.railarchive.net/randomsteam/mp5321.htm

http://transport.castlegraphics.com/albums/railroad/steam/mp/mp_5337_4-8-2_st_louis_mo.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8339/8168922761_942fa02c81_c.jpg

Some 4-8-2s and others:

http://condrenrails.com/FSVB/Passenger%20Trains/Missouri-Pacific-Passenger-Trains.htm
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Len on October 21, 2015, 05:53:01 AM
Man, all these great loco 'bashing' projects need their own thread. How many people are going to think of looking in a "future models" thread for great bashing ideas??

Len
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: electrical whiz kid on October 21, 2015, 10:31:10 AM
Len;
That is an excellent idea; one that the "Bach-Man(n?) should really consider.  Like you said, there are a lot of good ideas from the likes of Jonathan, Roger, Rye Guy, et cetera...  As you know,great minds think alike, and I suspect that a lot of them are in sync with this idea.

Rich C.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: ebtnut on October 21, 2015, 10:33:32 AM
Doc Wayne's Mountain also has a close resemblance to the B&O T-3's. 
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: ryeguyisme on October 21, 2015, 06:39:22 PM
An NYC L-2a is a really charmer of a brute, however I probably maybe would buy one as opposed to the numerous D&RGW 4-8-2's I have in brass(never can have enough!) I was contemplating on buying an O 3-rail version for my Holiday Christmas display I do at the local park. The O scale version is loud and puff crazy amounts of smoke.

One thing we don't see a lot of is non-N&W(USRA included) designed 2-8-8-2's, I know it may be a pipe dream for me, but I love some of the small/medium sized 2-8-8-2's like my D&RGW L-96 which happens to be out of action until a suitable Powerhouse donor can be acquired for a better mechanism.

I'm still going to wave my hands in the air for Harriman freight steam designs. Would be neat if they included a clamshell stack for an SP 2-8-0 or 2-8-2 ;)
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Trainman203 on October 21, 2015, 06:56:54 PM
Yes, Harriman.  Even an SP mogul, been done many times in brass but always popular.

And the ma and Pa 2-8-0.  Also was done in brass a long time ago, was seen on many a layout in yesteryear.

Or a true wabash mogul, again a perennial favorite.

What I've never understood was picking an obscure mogul like the GB&W to replicate.  That's even more obscure than the MoPac.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Len on October 21, 2015, 08:03:36 PM
I could live with a Wabash K3/K3b or K4/K4b 2-8-2.

When I was a kid living in Wentzville, MO the winters were cold and coal was not cheap. When the "Bash", as us kids called it, stopped to take on water, the fireman would sometimes 'accidentally on purpose' kick a few chunks of coal over the side. We'd snag it, break it up with a hammer, and share it out to take home to heat the house for a day.

Len
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Rashputin on October 22, 2015, 03:23:53 AM
"If you "really" want to be " out in the cold", try being an MP fan."

LOL, you make my point for me. I guess your logic should apply to diesels, too, in which case it's foolish for Bachmann to be making GP7s and GP9s since those were the most common engines. They should stick to the rare stuff, that's the ticket. Someone else is sure to do the common things so why should Bachmann bother chasing after the largest market ?

Bye the bye, I like the Hallmark MP Mikes I have just fine even though at one layout I ran one on a guy had a major tantrum over my having the nerve to paint them for my own road rather than MP. When a guy listening in told him all three of my others were also painted for my own road I was afraid the MP fan was going to pass out.

If the goal is selling into niche markets then I guess you have a point.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: brokenrail on October 22, 2015, 09:03:55 AM
Hello.
How about doing a EMD SW something cow and calf  in the same optional offerings and level of detail as the Alco s2 and s4 models that are just great with e cab and hood options  in the sound value line up!
Adam
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: electrical whiz kid on October 22, 2015, 03:33:40 PM

Bye the bye, I like the Hallmark MP Mikes I have just fine even though at one layout I ran one on a guy had a major tantrum over my having the nerve to paint them for my own road rather than MP. When a guy listening in told him all three of my others were also painted for my own road I was afraid the MP fan was going to pass out.

...This is one of the major reasons I will NEVER join another club again-as long as I live!  Between the big experts on nothing, the little Hitler-esque control freaks, etc.; I had long ago become discouraged enough to want to go it alone.  If some of these purists, scale rule Richards, etc.; ever saw my "collection", they would have a fit and fall in it!!
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: jbrock27 on October 22, 2015, 08:06:01 PM
Have to agree with you Rich :)
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: RAM on October 22, 2015, 09:32:30 PM
All I can say is that you should have said the the MOP sold your railroad those locomotives.  Isn't that better then having them cut up? 
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: ryeguyisme on October 22, 2015, 10:47:15 PM
Another thing we need is having all wheel pickup on the tender trucks-

It is very encouraging seeing a lot of discussion on Steam Locomotives more than anything..

how about some rolling stock? I would like to see bachmann produce drop bottom gondolas and fruit express reefers or single sheath outside braced boxcars.

Maybe produce some unique MOW equipment like a Ditcher or a Rotary Snowplow

For passenger cars how about wood sided palace heavyweight passenger cars?

It would also be neat to see model kits as well, like an intercity coal dock/coal dealer, a wooden coal mine like some that are found in old pictures of Utah, maybe a drawbridge, steel viaducts, factory buildings, etc.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: rogertra on October 23, 2015, 12:00:11 AM
Quote from: ryeguyisme on October 22, 2015, 10:47:15 PM

Another thing we need is having all wheel pickup on the tender trucks-


A big Y E S for all wheel pick up tender trucks.  Nothing improves the pick up like those and it's cheap upgrade.

Why Bachmann hasn't done this in the past is a mystery.

Cheers

Roger T.

Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: electrical whiz kid on October 23, 2015, 07:45:46 AM
Roger, Jonathan, et al;
Given plastic/non-conductive frames, isn't what is out there-for the most part-sufficient?  I latched onto a couple of pairs of brass express tender trucks (I like the looks) and found that they had isolated the wheels from the frame via a couple of plastic bushings; similar to the set-up Don Tichy offers. 

I just picked up a couple of pairs of Bachmann tender trucks and find these to be good for a pickup set-up-and they will give me peace of mind.
If you really want to do this, you can fabricate out of Phosphor Bronze flat stock, pickups to your respective configuration.  These, of course, could be installed on the  trucks in a beneficial way; using the isolating quality of Bachmann's trucks, and being careful not to distort the shape. 
Roger, Wayne, Jonathan, etc.; would probably have no trouble doing this.  Otherwise; other parts makers like Tomar, make sliders that slide along the rail.

Rich C.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: rogertra on October 23, 2015, 01:39:46 PM
I make easy tender wheel pick up wipers using Kadee No. 5 coupler centring 'springs'.  The brass flat spring.

However, I only have to do that because Bachmann doesn't, which is too bad as it's an easy fix for Bachmann to carry out.

Cheers

Roger T.



Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: electrical whiz kid on October 23, 2015, 08:19:29 PM
Roger;
Some time ago, I had thought about laying out a sheet-metal print for something reminiscent of the Tomar wipers; and  I will do it.  Micro-Mark has this photo-etch set-up.  I haven't looked at it closely, but ostensibly will probably just have a plate or two photo-etched out of phosphor bronze (which is what those Kadee springs are made of) at my friendly neighbourhood photo-etch shoppe...
What I would like to do is secure them to the inside of the truck side-frame, cornered under the bolster, but I will have to develop that set-up.  As I had started to say; I saw that photo-etch equipment and the price is what shoos me off.  Out of a 6X12 sheet of .008 phosphor bronze, one can get a lot of these little puppies, so the initial investment is really a negative..
Picked up some parts, so I am going to do more loco building.  The stuff I "create" falls a little on the diminutive side, looks-wise.  Sometimes I wish TT scale had taken off big-I still think it would have been an ideal scale.

RIch C. 
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Rashputin on October 23, 2015, 11:44:21 PM
Several of you folks obviously have a good bit of experience with improving electrical pickup so maybe you could give me your opinion of "Keep alive" capacitors (?) in engines as opposed to adding pickup to the tender and so forty. I gather that the storage approach such circuits use will keep an engine going across a reasonably long section of completely dead track.

Is that sort of thing an adjunct to or a replacement for the sort of modifications you folks make?
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: electrical whiz kid on October 24, 2015, 03:39:59 PM
Wayne;
There exists a circuit that the old timers(?) used; it consists of a dry-cell battery, a switch and a capacitor/resistor filter type device.  This was primarily used for turnout machines using a solenoid coil.  You can vary the amount of voltage "leakage" by varying the combination of values to the resistor and capacitor; hence the amount of "snap" given to "snap-switches"...(ha ha ha).  For an added  control, use a coil to smooth things out nicely.
I was looking on "Tony's Trains" site today, and they have an  equivalent to this for DCC.  The unit has a pretty hefty sized cap on it; this of course, will get a locomotive across a big turnout configuration, dirty track, etc.  Given the nature of electron behaviour, I would say that this should work in a straight DC circuit as well; as by the time that voltage gets to the motors, LEDs, etc., it is DC  anyways.

Rich C..
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: jbrock27 on October 25, 2015, 08:33:16 AM
Wayne, do you happen to run all of your rolling stock with metal wheels?  The majority maybe?
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: jbrock27 on October 25, 2015, 07:43:12 PM
As Arte Johnson would say, verrrry interesting.

Thank you doctowayne.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Trainman203 on October 25, 2015, 08:05:24 PM
Wayne, I like the mixed train with the combine.  Not many people run them or even know what they are.  They are a thing from the distant past.

A mixed train is my only passenger service, but on two levels.  The extra-fare one has the combine, and for the extra money the passenger gets wooden seats that are sanded so you don't "get" splinters, ice in the water cooler, and the overalls wearing conductor wears a passenger service cap with a brass badge.  And the train has a name, the "Midland Limited."  The lower level mixed is a drovers caboose with none of the amenities.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: RAM on October 25, 2015, 10:08:07 PM
Well I think flat wheels went out 40 year ago, if not longer.  They were great for picking points and derailing.  As far as mixed trains.  The Santa Fe a lot of them in the mid west.  I loved visiting Ottawa Kansas.  They ran two mixed trains.  One went to Topeka, out one day, and back the next.  It had either a 2-8-0 or a 2-6-2 and a combine on the end.  The other one ran 6 days a week, with a Doodlebug.  I think the maximum number of cars was 7.  If it had more than that they would use a 2-8-0 or 2-6-2 and a combine on the end.      
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: J3a-614 on October 25, 2015, 10:55:22 PM
Quote from: Trainman203 on October 25, 2015, 08:05:24 PM
Wayne, I like the mixed train with the combine.  Not many people run them or even know what they are.  They are a thing from the distant past.

A mixed train is my only passenger service, but on two levels.  The extra-fare one has the combine, and for the extra money the passenger gets wooden seats that are sanded so you don't "get" splinters, ice in the water cooler, and the overalls wearing conductor wears a passenger service cap with a brass badge.  And the train has a name, the "Midland Limited."  The lower level mixed is a drovers caboose with none of the amenities.

Mixed trains aren't too far into the past, or at least I don't think they are.

The Wabash had a mixed train that ran into the early years of the merger with the Norfolk & Western, and the C&O had a mixed train that ran to the resort at Hot Springs, Va.  This was as late as 1968 or 1969, and amazingly was a Pullman connection with sleeping cars from the main line trains (connection was at Clifton Forge, actual junction was at Covington).  

The B&O had mixed train service right to Amtrak day between Huntington, W.Va. and Parkersburg, connecting with main line trains at the latter point.  This was actually a ride in a caboose as opposed to a coach. 

I think the Georgia Railroad ran a mixed even later, into the 1970s.  

Finally, the Reader Railroad in Arkansas ran a mixed train into the 1970s--behind steam, no less.  This was one of the last regular service steam shortlines, and the road attempted supplement its freight income with a bit of tourist money.  
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: rogertra on October 26, 2015, 02:12:47 AM
Quote from: Trainman203 on October 25, 2015, 08:05:24 PM
Wayne, I like the mixed train with the combine.  Not many people run them or even know what they are.  They are a thing from the distant past.

A mixed train is my only passenger service, but on two levels.  The extra-fare one has the combine, and for the extra money the passenger gets wooden seats that are sanded so you don't "get" splinters, ice in the water cooler, and the overalls wearing conductor wears a passenger service cap with a brass badge.  And the train has a name, the "Midland Limited."  The lower level mixed is a drovers caboose with none of the amenities.

I also run a mixed on my branch line from Farnham to Magog (reverse loop staging).  Used a Rivarossi (?) combine with added smoke stacks to represent the three caboose style coal stoves typically used to heat the car in winter.  One in the baggage area and two in the passenger section.  It gets cold in Quebec in the middle of winter.

Cheers

Roger T.   
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Trainman203 on October 26, 2015, 10:24:12 AM
I rode the Reader in 1963.  Later on, a friend of mine fired on that line.  Back home in Louisiana, both the MP and T&NO operated mixed service out of my home town on the branches that radiated  out.  The MP one went away in 1935, I remember the T&NO one in steam in 1955 just before it went out.

There were late survivors of mixed train service, it is true, but their time ended largely in the 30s when my MP one did, done in by roads and cars.

Wayne I am mad at you.  That MDC combine looks way too good.  I could have had one but dilly dallied and now those palace cars are gone, for good. Now you are making me really want one.  I did get the observation car to make my business car though.

I have a couple of the MDC 50' open end truss rod combines on my mixed trains.  But I still want the palace combine.

However (Bachmann content), the Bach Man is soon bringing out a heavyweight steel combine.

What paint did you use on those cars?
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: electrical whiz kid on October 26, 2015, 10:49:30 AM
One in the baggage area and two in the passenger section.  It gets cold in Quebec in the middle of winter.

Yeah, Roger; but isn't that how you guys get so many Canadians?

Still working on the roster.  I will send photo or two when I take them.  If I have time today, I will start cutting out roadbed.  Retired?? HAH!
Rich C.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Trainman203 on October 26, 2015, 01:05:37 PM
That's some beautiful stuff Wayne.  I really like the green paint.  It's lighter than regular Pullman green and photographs well.

I ordered a palace combine kit from eBay a while ago.

Really off topic .... But really good pictures and information.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: rogertra on October 26, 2015, 02:23:17 PM
Really nice work Wayne.

Cheers

Roger T.

Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Len on October 26, 2015, 06:17:49 PM
I really think the title of this thread needs to be changed to "Loco and Car Bashes & Super Detailing". ;D ;D

Len
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Len on October 26, 2015, 11:14:55 PM
I don't mind the wandering, there's a lot of good information folks might find very useful for their own projects. I'm just not sure they'll think to look in a "futur models" thread to find it.

Len
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: jbrock27 on October 27, 2015, 06:46:14 AM
Frankly, I think less and less people are having the thought or taking the time, to even look for an answer to their question, research, etc. before just posting their question.  For example, how many times have we seen the question posed, in one form or another; "Which is better, steel or nickel silver track?"  You gonna tell me, that subject is not out on the Internet ad nauseum and easily found after a few seconds of searching ???
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: electrical whiz kid on October 27, 2015, 07:20:58 AM
Sure, Jim;
it is out there in a lot of places; however, people are going to remain people with their peculiarities. 
Added to that, a lot of new people-some wouldn't off-hand know where to look.  This is a start for them.  Hey; you live up around Pittsfield, don't you?

I finally found a source for the NYC-type tender trucks I was looking for.  It is interesting; one of the 2-6-6-2s I bought had a tender that had them on it.  I looked here in 'parts' and nada!  Cest live.  They (Bachmann) did have the Pennsy tender shells I wanted.  I find these to be an ideal length for my 2-8-0s.   I think it was here I first saw the term "Prototypical Freelancing"; I think I might fall into that category...  This is becoming a really fun project-but I really have to start laying track on the layout...

By the way, what is better-steel or nickel silver?...

Rich C.

Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Trainman203 on October 27, 2015, 10:10:03 AM
the other question is, why won't my EM 1 run on 12" radius curves?  :o :D
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Len on October 27, 2015, 12:04:17 PM
Quote from: Trainman203 on October 27, 2015, 10:10:03 AM
the other question is, why won't my EM 1 run on 12" radius curves?  :o :D

Not a gradual enough transition curve on the entry?  ;D

Len
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: jbrock27 on October 27, 2015, 12:28:00 PM
Quote from: electrical whiz kid on October 27, 2015, 07:20:58 AM
Sure, Jim;
...people are going to remain people with their peculiarities.

Rich C.

Agree w/you 100% Mr. C.

Quote from: electrical whiz kid on October 27, 2015, 07:20:58 AM
Hey; you live up around Pittsfield, don't you?

Rich C.

Reason for this question?

Quote from: electrical whiz kid on October 27, 2015, 07:20:58 AM
This is a start for them.  

Rich C.

A better start would be to do some research first, but they won't, bc sadly and unfortunately, a lot of people are too lazy and don't do any research and would just as soon rely on someone else to feed them the answer as this is what they have become accustomed to, IMO.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: electrical whiz kid on October 27, 2015, 01:43:33 PM
A better start would be to do some research first, but they won't, bc sadly and unfortunately, a lot of people are too lazy and don't do any research and would just as soon rely on someone else to feed them the answer as this is what they have become accustomed to, IMO.

Hey, just like in the English Lit. tests.  When you did all the work studying, and the jock who was out partying is looking over your shoulder...  Ya can't win hardly at all, hey!!!

On Pittsfield:  I was just curious.  I'm not gonna follow you home or anything.
Actually, I was wondering if you knew anything about the craftsman show this year; considering that the last one I went to was in your neck of the woods.

Rich C.

Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: jbrock27 on October 27, 2015, 04:44:45 PM
Quote from: electrical whiz kid on October 27, 2015, 01:43:33 PM
...and the jock who was out partying is looking over your shoulder...

Rich C.

Hey, FYI, I was one of those in HS and college (w/o the partying in HS ;)) and I studied and never did that.  And no one had any luck when they tried that nonsense with me :D

Re: Other things; PM me.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for Bachmann's future models?
Post by: Bucksco on October 27, 2015, 07:05:17 PM
This thread has pretty much run it's course so....