Latest addition to the GER rolling stock fleet, thanks to friend WoundedBear.
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Thanks Sid.
Cheers
Roger T.
He's a good friend :)
Glad you could use it Roger. It turned out to be waaaaay too new for my layout. Looks right at home there.
BTW.....here's the thread where I showed how I did the paint on that car.........
http://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/board/index.php/topic,31255.0.html (http://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/board/index.php/topic,31255.0.html)
Sid
Quote from: WoundedBear on January 15, 2016, 09:20:37 AM
Glad you could use it Roger. It turned out to be waaaaay too new for my layout. Looks right at home there.
BTW.....here's the thread where I showed how I did the paint on that car.........
http://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/board/index.php/topic,31255.0.html (http://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/board/index.php/topic,31255.0.html)
Sid
Thanks for reposting Sid.
BTW, my wife now has my original land line number as her new cell phone number, yes, I bought her a cell phone for Christmas. I'll PM you my own cell phone number.
Cheers
Roger T.
Wayne.
Nice collection there and some nice work as well.
Cheers
Roger T.
Quote from: rogertra on January 19, 2016, 08:09:44 PM
Wayne.
Nice collection there and some nice work as well.
Cheers
Roger T.
And I concur!
I also look at the classic equipment here, both passenger and freight, and of course the steam locomotives--and I wonder why anyone would want to model the diesel era! :D
And that brings to mind--we've seen steam locomotives, doodlebugs, box cars, flats, hoppers (including a rare carbon black hopper), tank cars, reefers, express cars, some passenger cars--but so far no cabooses!
I'm now curious as to what brings up the rear of trains for both the doctor and Roger. . . ::)
Quote from: J3a-614 on January 20, 2016, 03:05:24 PM
And I concur!
I also look at the classic equipment here, both passenger and freight, and of course the steam locomotives--and I wonder why anyone would want to model the diesel era! :D
And that brings to mind--we've seen steam locomotives, doodlebugs, box cars, flats, hoppers (including a rare carbon black hopper), tank cars, reefers, express cars, some passenger cars--but so far no cabooses!
I'm now curious as to what brings up the rear of trains for both the doctor and Roger. . . ::)
Now you mention it, that's a good point. I don't think I've any photos where my vans are the subject. I'll have to remedy that. :)
Cheers
Roger T.
I don't know which is better - the models or the photography. Kudos for great work. I grew up looking at cars from Canada. How about a CP box car - the one with the "CP spans the world" slogan in script writing and, if I remember, there was the outline of a steamship.
Speaking of the CP, Canada once hosted the renowned British steamer the Flying Scotsman. I remember seeing picture of it with a big old bell mounted on the front platform. This coming month the Scotsman will reappear as the preservation group has the loco ready to go. It is the first locomotive to go 100 in Britain and to tour three continents. I'm sure that Bachmann UK is firing up their OO models (if they already haven't!) I read where it will be restored to it's former LNER paint scheme. A great locomotive saved - it only took beacoup Euros!
Quote from: Woody Elmore on January 21, 2016, 02:37:51 PM
I don't know which is better - the models or the photography. Kudos for great work. I grew up looking at cars from Canada. How about a CP box car - the one with the "CP spans the world" slogan in script writing and, if I remember, there was the outline of a steamship.
Speaking of the CP, Canada once hosted the renowned British steamer the Flying Scotsman. I remember seeing picture of it with a big old bell mounted on the front platform. This coming month the Scotsman will reappear as the preservation group has the loco ready to go. It is the first locomotive to go 100 in Britain and to tour three continents. I'm sure that Bachmann UK is firing up their OO models (if they already haven't!) I read where it will be restored to it's former LNER paint scheme. A great locomotive saved - it only took beacoup Euros!
Scotsman's 1968-1972 North American tour: -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOHqycaNjM4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOHqycaNjM4)
Cheers
Roger T.
Canadian Pacific Railway.
May have, as the slogan says, "Spans the World" but it didn't span Canada.
By the way, the script wasn't introduced until 1963.
I found this out after I'd purchased a few script boxcar for my 1958 GER. D'oh!
Had to remove the script and replace it with the stepped "CANADIAN PACIFIC RAILWAY."
Cheers
Roger T.
Quote from: doctorwayne on January 22, 2016, 10:08:24 PM
Quote from: rogertra on January 21, 2016, 08:03:34 PM
Canadian Pacific Railway.
May have, as the slogan says, "Spans the World" but it didn't span Canada.
Not with rails, but they had ships in both the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans.
Quote from: rogertra on January 21, 2016, 08:03:34 PM
By the way, the script wasn't introduced until 1963.....
If that were the case, C-D-S made an awful lot of incorrect lettering sets. The earliest they show is a plugdoor grain car with a date of 1954 - I believe the catalogue date to be a misprint based solely on the car type, as I'd place the car's design as '60s - perhaps '64 rather than '54.
Other than that one, '58 and '59 are the most commonly used dates, but that's for the original small version of the script lettering.
Later, in the mid-to late-'60s, the size of the script lettering grew so much that some 50' boxcars had CANADIAN to the left of the door and PACIFIC to the right of it.
Rail Canada Vol. 3 shows S-11 switchers in their as-delivered in 1959 script lettering.
I couldn't find much about the history of CPR's script lettering, but I think that Al is a bit off with the timeline on it - as I recall, it pre-dated CNR's 1960 roll-out of their "wet-noodle" lettering, although I can't say for sure by how much.
Wayne
Wayne.
It gets confusing but looking into it more I think you are correct and it was introduced in 1959.
Cheers
Roger T.
CPR record's indicate the slogan "Spans the World" was used from 1946 until 1949.
So I would have to say CDS got it right, stepped Canadian Pacific Railway began in 1951.
Ken Clark
GWN
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Ok. Trying to do this with an iPad mini. Tough going. Really really like all the effort on these cars by roger and Wayne. A bit of weathering and extra details makes them pop. Just attached my latest weathereding effort.
Regards,
Jonathan
Which reminds me, a few months ago I replaced lots of plastic wheels on freight cars with metal ones. Probably 50 plus cars so as to conform to the new rule, no plastic wheels!
Seeing these great photos reminds me, I really should paint the sides of those nice and ever so shiny freight car wheels. :)
Cheers
Roger T.
Is this new rule a personal rule or a club rule? Because replacing the wheels on 50+ cars... That's 200+ metal wheelsets you had to buy. Ouch.
To doctorwayne : If the plastic wheels are functional they should be fine for freight cars that have no functions that require track power . However for lighted passenger cars you might want metal wheels to be able to illuminate your cars . This applies to your home layout . Though it must be said that metal wheels probably roll better & stay cleaner longer . I do admit to having changed a good number of wheel sets . John2. Hope everybody on the East Coast are staying warm & inside .
Quote from: ZeldaTheSwordsman on January 24, 2016, 02:16:12 PM
Is this new rule a personal rule or a club rule? Because replacing the wheels on 50+ cars... That's 200+ metal wheelsets you had to buy. Ouch.
I don't belong to a club. :)
This is on my private Great Eastern Railway.
Cheers
Roger T.
Quote from: doctorwayne on January 24, 2016, 04:42:00 PM
As a club rule, it might be manageable depending on how many of your own cars have to be on the club's layout. For home use, I see no need to have metal wheels a necessity, although they may be your preference.
Wayne
Metal wheels roll better, you can pull longer trains with metal wheels. Metal wheels also stay cleaner. Metal wheels add weight, making you freight and passenger cars track better. The extra train weight is offset by the ability of the wheels to roll better than plastic wheels. So although the train may be heavier, a given loco can pull more cars, not a lot more true, but more. Plastic wheels, over time, can pick up enough crud as to reduce the effectiveness of the wheel flange, resulting in derailments.
Cheers
Roger T.
All the same, plastic wheels are not inherently worthless, despite what Model Railroader Magazine would like you to believe. If you make sure that they're clean of the mold-release coating (sometimes they come out of the box that way, sometimes they don't), they won't accumulate dirt or other crud any faster than any other plastic part of a car (like, say, the body). So long as there's no flash in the way on flange or tyre, and the axle needlepoints are unobstructed (a need not limited to plastic wheels, I might point out), plastic wheels work perfectly fine.
On a different subject, I saw a reefer on the first page of this that had been painted green... including the couplers. Why were the couplers painted, out of curiosity?
The ones on the Grand Valley reefer.
Zelda is correct the Grand Valley reefer does appear to have green colored couplers . I am not sure if prototypical are painted or coated to reduce rusting , but considering the operational life of cars suspect that "rust" is their normal coloration just like track rails . John2.
I have to agree, as has been pointed out to me recently, that metal wheels as rule, to which there are a few exceptions or course, roll better than delrin ones, even if the delrin ones have pointed steel or brass pointed axle tips where they fit in to the truck. This does not mean I got about a campaign to replace delrin ones, but when opportunity arises to buy, I buy metal. ;)
Quote from: Jhanecker2 on January 25, 2016, 08:32:03 AM
Zelda is correct the Grand Valley reefer does appear to have green colored couplers . I am not sure if prototypical are painted or coated to reduce rusting , but considering the operational life of cars suspect that "rust" is their normal coloration just like track rails . John2.
There are certain things on the prototype that must never be painted. Wheels are one, couplers are the another. :)
Cheers
Roger T.
Quote from: doctorwayne on January 25, 2016, 11:05:01 AM
Hmmm. They're not green on my monitor, and they're certainly not painted green. I have painted some couplers with a dry-brushed rust colour, and most get some airbrushed weathering as a by-product of the general car weathering.
Real couplers are not painted, although they may acquire some overspray when the car is painted - in fact, I believe that couplers are not to be painted.
Wayne
Yeah, well, I think the couplers on that Grand Valley reefer got some overspray because they look exactly the same drab green color as the car.
Due to the operational environment of couplers and wheels, paint would be a total waste of time & materials . If memory serves I believe wheels are heat shrunken onto axles and the lubricants would destroy the paint , same basic problem with the coupler abrasive contact and lubrication requirments plus weather conditions make it a waste . John2.
Well then I don't know what the deal is, but they definitely somehow wound up the same green as the carbody - I can see it plainly in that photo of it on the first page! In fact, that's what caught my interest enough to continue reading the thread. I was wondering what the heck was up with it! ???
Quote from: Jhanecker2 on January 25, 2016, 06:33:33 PM
Due to the operational environment of couplers and wheels, paint would be a total waste of time & materials . If memory serves I believe wheels are heat shrunken onto axles and the lubricants would destroy the paint , same basic problem with the coupler abrasive contact and lubrication requirments plus weather conditions make it a waste . John2.
Nothing to do with the operational environment nor a waste of time and paint, nor the manufacturing process nor lubricants. Wheels and couplers are simply not allowed to be painted for safety reasons, period. See my previous comment.
Paint can hide cracks and defaults, so that is why wheels and couplers cannot be painted.
Cheers
Roger T.
I'm not crazy about green ::) I was just wondering why the heck the couplers on a model seemed to have been painted! FFS
Quote from: rogertra on January 26, 2016, 02:23:47 PM
my previous comment.
Paint can hide cracks and defaults, so that is why wheels and couplers cannot be painted.
Roger T.
Well, that's certainly the rule now, but how far back does it go? I recall builder's photographs of cars with apparently painted wheels and couplers (this is visible in the different tones in black and white photographs, particularly for black trucks and wheels under a red or other colored car). I seem to recall also photos of steam engines out of the shop with black couplers, and of course steam locomotive wheels are painted. . .
And let's take a look at this factory fresh EMD passenger F3 at LaGrange, ready for delivery to the ATSF:
http://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/fileSendAction/fcType/0/fcOid/7343020832504542/filePointer/7343020841223269/fodoid/7343020841223264/imageType/MEDIUM/inlineImage/true/Santa%2520Fe%2520F3.jpg
Silver trucks, silver wheels, silver couplers. . .and right out of the plant!
The same paint applications are on these Alco PAs that do seem to have been in service for a while:
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=392180
It's on the Western Pacific, too.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/California_Zephyr_pre_first_run_1949.JPG
And we have a very new looking Canadian National FPA-2 with a black coupler that blends in quite well with the black pilot.
http://www.trainweb.org/oldtimetrains/photos/cnr_diesel/6706.jpg
For contrast, a new EMD F125 nearing completion. Besides a rusty coupler, check out those unpainted wheels that look so much like our unpainted metal wheels in HO scale!
(Of course they won't stay so shiny for long!)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMD_F125#/media/File:Metrolink_EMD_F125_Spirit.jpg
And so we have a little mystery--which is, how far back does the no paint rule go?
One other thing I might add, and that is those wheels, painted or unpainted, didn't stay clean for long in the days of plain bearings. Those bearings always had some oil leaking out the back seal, and it didn't take too long for it to coat the wheels, where the oil also attracted and held dirt. I well recall how freight cars wheels were coated with this black, shiny greasy stuff.
I seem to recall one fellow suggesting the real look for freight cars wheels in the plain bearing era would be to paint them glossy or semi-glossy black with something like baking soda mixed in the paint.
EDIT: Wasn't looking for this, but here we have a Wabash Blue Bird observation car on what was by that thime the Norfolk & Western, and clearly with a silver rear coupler. Date: 1966
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1559470407678224&set=a.1441806412777958.1073741827.100008458391209&type=3&theater
Quote from: J3a-614 on January 26, 2016, 11:22:40 PM
One other thing I might add, and that is those wheels, painted or unpainted, didn't stay clean for long in the days of plain bearings. Those bearings always had some oil leaking out the back seal, and it didn't take too long for it to coat the wheels, where the oil also attracted and held dirt. I well recall how freight cars wheels were coated with this black, shiny greasy stuff.
I seem to recall one fellow suggesting the real look for freight cars wheels in the plain bearing era would be to paint them glossy or semi-glossy black with something like baking soda mixed in the paint.
EDIT: Wasn't looking for this, but here we have a Wabash Blue Bird observation car on what was by that thime the Norfolk & Western, and clearly with a silver rear coupler. Date: 1966
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1559470407678224&set=a.1441806412777958.1073741827.100008458391209&type=3&theater
Found on another site: -
The prohibition appears in the AAR Field Manual of Interchange Rules; Rule 16, Section E, item 4: "Coupler bodies must not be painted."
FRA regulations of couplers and draft systems appear in section 215. Although not specifically mentioned; paint would interfere with inspection for cracks, therefore it would be reasonable to assume that FRA would take exception on that basis.
Notice it's an
Interchange rule. Therefore, if that passenger car is not interchanged, the couplers, draft gear, etc., etc., can be painted. That explains why couplers on steam engines were frequently painted, because steam engines were not interchanged but freight cars are.
Cheers
Roger T.
Not just the coupler on that Wabash 'Blue Bird' observation car. Check out the chains and hose fittings hanging below the coupler.
Len