I'm just now getting to play with my Spectrum, 70-ton 3-Truck Climax w/Sound, which I bought 2011. Have setup Programming Track for my Digitrax Super Chief, which has the DCS100 command Station. I know that it works, because when I use Loco Address of 03, the default, he engine responds, as well as the sound.....whistle, bell chug, etc.....but I can't read the CV's ( I et a "fail" on the read back. I know it's pinging as I can hear it thru the speaker. And I know my programming track works, as I've re-addressed a 2-Trk Bachmann Climax just before it.
This is my 1st Loco w/sound, so it begs the question....does this failure to right the addresses have to do with the Tsunami Decoder?....my 2-Turk doesn't have sound....
Thanks for the input in advance.
Regards,
Mike :-\
Quote from: Logger Mike on February 28, 2016, 03:56:03 PM
....does this failure to [write] the addresses have to do with the Tsunami Decoder? . . .
Yes -- the Digitrax DCS 100 requires a Programming Track Booster.
Hunt, thanks for the reply......This is my first foray into Both Bachmann Sound decoders and DCC...so the questions now is, what is the Programming Track Booster, and where does one get it?
Thanks again,
Mike
You can use the Sountraxx booster PTB100. I use the Digitrax PR3 with a 16V power supply. Digitrax has the PR3 Xtra which comes with a 14V power supply. This allows me to use Decoder Pro which is free. Read up on both. Joe
http://www.digitrax.com/products/computer-control/pr3xtra/
http://jmri.sourceforge.net/
Thanks Bapguy..........I'll check them out.
Mike
i have a digitrax zephyr dcs51. for me to program Bachmann and atlas dcc locomotives, i have a 1000 ohm resistor that i soldered alligator clips to, that i jumper across the rails of the programming track. this allows me to read back and program all cvs in these decoders. you might want to try this yourself. a $2 workaround may save you a lot of money by making the programming booster unnecessary. if it doesn't work you are only out $2,
I did manage to get some instructions from Digitrax a little bit ago, and I'll try them 1st, and if successful, will post those links here to help out......IF NOT, then I'll give this a try aslo.
Thanks,
Mike
Quote from: jward on February 29, 2016, 01:39:14 PM
i have a digitrax zephyr dcs51. for me to program Bachmann and atlas dcc locomotives, i have a 1000 ohm resistor that i soldered alligator clips to, that i jumper across the rails of the programming track. this allows me to read back and program all cvs in these decoders. you might want to try this yourself. a $2 workaround may save you a lot of money by making the programming booster unnecessary. if it doesn't work you are only out $2,
Logger Mike,
A 1000 Ohm, ¼ Watt resistor laid across the programming track is required for CV read and programming a non-sound Bachmann (Lenz based) decoder used with a Digitrax Zephyr (DCS50) or Zephyr Xtra (DCS51).
The resistor is useless with SoundTraxx built decoders used with Digitrax DCS 100.
A DCS 100 is what I have....and like I posted initially, I know my programming track did work, as I was able to readdress the 50T, 2-Trk Climax from Bachmann....Digitrax instructions is having me try ops mode....will update shortly.
SoundTraxx Decoder Addressing Restriction --
When using OPS Mode, a SoundTraxx decoder (Tsunami or Sound Value) will not allow you to change the type of address currently in use. In other words, the decoder will ignore a change from a short address to another short address or from a long address to another long address.
Workaround is to program short address to a long address. Then program from the long address to a short address.
Well, per there instructions, that's what I "tried" to do.....made up a 4-digit address- 1776-, changed cv 17 & 18 per the cv calculator on Digitrax site, then tried changing cv29=038.....results are that the loco won't respond to the new 4-digit address, AND NOW, I've lost the 2-digit default.....we even tried changing cv29=34......still no results. All I have is a $400.00 loco sitting on the track, just huffing.....not happy right now.....was under the impression that all the companies had this crap worked out...... >:(
Try
use Direct Mode on the programming track
Program CV 01 to 03
CV 29 to 06
Can you now run and control locomotive using address 03?
Quote from: Hunt on February 29, 2016, 11:44:27 PM
Try
use Direct Mode on the programming track
Program CV 01 to 03
CV 29 to 06
Can you now run and control locomotive using address 03?
Wait -- before you try the above
Try to run you locomotive with 4-digit address of 0003
Because End user Programming Address
CV, programming sequence is required.
First CV 17, then CV 18 and last CV 29
For address 1776
CV 17 = 198
CV 18 = 240
CV 29 = 038
If the programming sequence was not followed, then the CV 17 and 18 were not changed and the only thing that changed was CV 29.
That's exactly the numbers I used, and the sequence...over and over and over....Loco still doesn't respond...I even did a hard shut down a time or two in addition to the Power Off, Power On at the ends of each set of sequence where Digitrax said to just power off/on to 'set' the new cv's.at this point I'd like to just reset to default, but I can't even do that.
going to try and call Bachmann today.....since this obviously isn't correct OR the decoder is bad. Like I said it just sits there 'chuffing' LIKE IT DOES WHEN YOU FIRST APPLY POWER.
Did try 0003 too..nothing
I even tried new different addresses with different cv's.
didn't try the DM on program track...........and my Throttle doesn't read AD1 or cv01...Lowest I can get is AD2 or 0002.
not happy.....
Thanks for the help.
Sounds more like a call to Digitrax is in order...
Plan on that too.
M
Just talked with the Service dept to get reset CV's to start all over again..........Will try that and then go forward.
M
Resetting the sound decoder CVs to their factory default value is a two-step procedure.
1) Program CV 8 to 8 (can use either Service Mode or Operations Mode programming)
2) Cycle power to the decoder by turning power to the track off and back on
After about six-seconds upon restoring power the headlight and backup light will blink simultaneously 16 times indicating that the CVs were successfully reset. However, if sound or lights come on immediately upon restoring power, the decoder did not successfully reset. Repeat the two-step procedure.
Will Do tonight, and report back.
Thanks,
Mike
Mike,
It is known,
- To use Ops Mode programming requires using the decoder's active address, which now is not known.
- The Digitrax DCS100 cannot reliably program any SoundTraxx decoder using the programming track. Be sure to select Service Mode - Direct and perhaps you will get lucky with the decoder reset.
"""The Digitrax DCS100 cannot reliably program any SoundTraxx decoder using the programming track. Be sure to select Service Mode - Direct and perhaps you will get lucky with the decoder reset. """
By Above I am taking to read as Use "Main Track", not Programing, and use "Pd or PAGE Direct" while on the main....MAKINIG SURE no other Loco's on on the tracks>
Correct?
Be gentle...this is my first time in DCC....
Thanks,
M
Quote from: Logger Mike on March 01, 2016, 02:17:25 PM
"""The Digitrax DCS100 cannot reliably program any SoundTraxx decoder using the programming track. Be sure to select Service Mode - Direct and perhaps you will get lucky with the decoder reset. """
By Above I am taking to read as Use "Main Track", not Programing, and use "Pd or PAGE Direct" while on the main....MAKINIG SURE no other Loco's on on the tracks>
Correct?
You are reading it wrong.
You cannot use the Main Track because you do not know the decoder's active address.
You will have to use the programming track
Press the
PROG key to cycle through the following options:
PG = Paged mode
PH = Physical register mode
Pd = Direct mode
Po = Operations mode
Select Pd Direct mode
that's why I was dbl checking......still learning.....Thanks again
Ok... This isn't working either.....
Here's the procedure I used without any luck:
1. Placed Loco on Program Track
2. PLUGGED IN DT402D into UR92 panel
3. Fired up DCS100, run mode
3a..Pwr=y...have solid power dot
4. Press PROGRAM, cycle thru till I have Pd showing
5. L Throttle....turn knob til 0030 above CVNo reads (0030=???)
6. R Throttle press down once, then rotate till X02 reads on right.
6a. Press ENTER...screen reads we blinking SQ with dot inside blinks once, then NoAK BLINKS ON ONCE
6b. Screen reads: 0030=x02...1 "click" from Loco
7. L Throttle turn till 0008=???
8. R Throttle press down once, then rotate till x08 reads
9. Press ENTER.... Screen flashes wr SQ not dot, then NoAK Blinks once
9a. Screen reads 0008=x08....1 "click" sound from Loco
10. Press EXIT....Screen returns to normal operating, 1 loco blinking smoke
11. Power= N...power dot goes off
12. Press "y" to power back on
13. Been waiting 30 minutes for lights to do something
14. NOTHING...No lights, no sound, nothing.
15. Place Loco on Main Track, immediately begins "slow chuff" which gets slower and slower, chuff farther apart.
16. Tried LOCO select, typed 03 for address, LOCO again
17. NOTHING Except slow chuff.
CV30 = 02 and CV = 08 came from Bachmann via phone call to Service, was told over phone to use these settings to reser decoder.
Out of options now as nothing is playing nicely.
Going down now to watch NCIS.
Hunt, got your message after I tried resetting...but I already had system set as you described with separate Isolated Program track. Thanks tho.
Mike
Mike,
Just glanced over you procedure --
Resetting the sound decoder CVs to their factory default value.
Either program CV 08 to 08 OR CV 30 to 02
NOT BOTH as they do the same thing.
This is another instance validating --
•The Digitrax DCS100 cannot reliably program any SoundTraxx decoder using the programming track.
To close -- As advised -- add a Programming Track Booster, use a standalone programmer, have someone program for you using their DCC system, which is capable of programming SoundTaxx decoders or replace the decoder. Discuss with Digitrax before you make a decision.
Thanks Hunt,
I have some Digitrax Decoders. Since I bought the Loco 5 years ago, though just now using it, I think I'll just swap it out for now, I can live without the sound for now, and then later after some research, put in a sound card.
I really appreciate your help on this.
Mike
Quote from: Hunt on March 01, 2016, 08:40:29 PM
. . .
• The Digitrax DCS100 cannot reliably program any SoundTraxx decoder using the programming track.
. . .
The
exception to my statement is the new SoundTraxx
Econami family of sound decoders recently made available by SoundTraxx. An
Econami does not appear to require a Programming Track Booster to be used with commonly found DCC systems in America.
Thanks Hunt,
Thanks the route I had been thinking about...I've seen some info about the Econami's, looks promising, especially because of its small size. Will be looking into them.
Thanks aain for all the efforts.
M
You're not going to believe this....while researching info on compatibility of the Econami and my DCS100, I ran across a link from 2011 about RESETTING Tsunami on DCS100.....
"""""ShareThis
I posted on the MRH forum about putting a decoder in a Bachmann GP30. The MRH community gave several helpful responses.
As you may be aware, I purchased a Tsunami decoder. All was good - I had the decoder wired to the motor (after
discovering I had the motor wired backwards) and the frame and hooked up my speaker (in an enclosure) and I got sound and the loco ran. No lights yet - I wanted to test things as they were.
I think the sounds are too loud and I was able to program on the main using my Digitrax DCS100 (my now old Chief II set), JMRI and a LocoBuffer-USB. I know the use of the programming track is pointless. Somewhere in my programming delirium I screwed up something big time. The sound came on when the track is powered but I could get NO response in any other way. I think, but I'm not sure, I mangled the addresses and didn't know how to recover. Without knowing the address I could not communicate with the decoder.
I have spent a good bit of three days trying to find a solution. No good ideas from the SoundTraxx or Digitrax web sites. After wading through the Soundtraxx Yahoo Group and then going to the Digitrax Group I found the key. They were not discussing my problem specifically but it gave me the solution. I found a reference to this page on the Digitrax web site: http://kb.digitrax.com//index.php?a=1162 (http://kb.digitrax.com//index.php?a=1162) It gave me this:
Resetting a Locomotive
If you don't know the current address and need to reset the locomotive, place the locomotive on the main track WITH NO OTHER LOCOMOTIVES ON THE LAYOUT. THIS IS IMPORTANT as you will be sending a broadcast programming command to every decoder on a live track!
1. Select address "00"
2. Enter Operations Mode programming
3. Follow the manufacturers instructions for programming a reset [This will vary from manufacturer to manufacturer. Editor].
4. Remove the locomotive from the powered track. When it powers up again it should have reset to address 3.
Make sure there are no other locos on the tracks and select loco ID 00 (zero zero) then use the Digitrax throttle (mine is a DT400) and set program in Po (ops) mode. You can then set the Ad2 and Ad4 addresses. Programming address 00 on the main will broadcast to any mobile decoder on the tracks.
This solution does not require you to know the current address of the decoder. It worked perfectly for me.
I hope this is useful information for someone else. Maybe everyone else will just go "DUH!!" If nothing else it will be here for others to search and find.
Ken Glover, Chief Engineer, Kansas Pacific Railway
‹ Soundtraxx Question and Suggestion for Product EnhancementDCC/PC interface - how is it done? ›"""""""
I was on My way to bed, resigned to the fact that I screwed it up, and was going to have to buy a new...I figured WTH...one last try....so I tried the above post and guess what....using the rest of CV8=08......SHE IMMEDIATELY CAME BACK TO LIFE.
It appears that the key is selecting 00 for the Loco Address, since mine apparently didn't know hers when I tried the CV8 reset earlier.[/font]
Now I have it set to default 03, and she runs. Shut down and go the bed before you screw it up again.
Tomorrow, I'll attempt to program a new address of 75 for her, using the 4-digit then 2-digit address procedures I got from Digitrax on my help request.
Logger Mike,
Charlotte, NC Area
Logger mike... Get yourself a NCE DCC System with the 5AMP Booster Problem Solved Have my NCE DCC system 4 years now no Problems at all My LOCOS on-track program with no problems or issues & takes less than 10 minutes.....
Mike, glad you found the Address 00 procedure; I thought I had sent you the procedure to try in a Personal Message Tuesday, 3/1/16. Seems not. :-[
Quote from: Hunt on March 03, 2016, 08:40:24 AM
Mike, glad you found the Address 00 procedure; I thought I had sent you the procedure to try in a Personal Message Tuesday, 3/1/16. Seems not. :-[
BTW, I would have suggested address 0000.