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Title: "Pliobond Cement"
Post by: SteamGene on November 22, 2007, 02:55:16 PM
Where can I find Pliobond Cement?
Gene


Title: Re: "Pliobond Cement"
Post by: Jonathan MacCormack on November 22, 2007, 05:08:13 PM
SteamGene:

Type into search line....."  pliobond cement ", youwill find answers


Title: Re: "Pliobond Cement"
Post by: richG on November 22, 2007, 06:35:44 PM
I am surprised by the question but anyway, I buy it at the local hardware store. Contact Cement is about the same. I think Rubber Glue is about the same. There might be a couple other brands of the same catagory. Walther's Glue.

In the future if you have a question like this, search the 'Net. You can search with Yahoo, Google, Scroogle Ask. Many people have no clue that the 'Net is one huge library and the answer is out there.

Rich


Title: Re: "Pliobond Cement"
Post by: Dr EMD on November 22, 2007, 06:56:18 PM
It looks like this:

(http://www.electronics-supply.com/admin/images/x-as-pg-0001-l.jpg)


Title: Re: "Pliobond Cement"
Post by: Jake on November 22, 2007, 07:22:33 PM
http://www.handlaidtrack.com/sub_category.php?id=267&link_str=183::267

The owners of FastTracks LOVE to use the stuff for turnouts.


Title: Re: "Pliobond Cement"
Post by: SteamGene on November 22, 2007, 08:50:34 PM
Rich,
I checked the net first  I found mention of it several times, but nothing more.  The instructions for the structure in question are specific - "...use Pliobond Cement," not "...use Pliobond Cement or other similar adhesive,"  which would have sent me towards Walthers Goo.  I have not seen - or perhaps noticed the stuff around here.  It may be very common elsewhere, but maybe not here.
And if you are going to search the net, and want to help railroading, search through Good Search and pick one of the railroad museums to benefit.  I like the B&O Museum. 
Gene


Title: Re: "Pliobond Cement"
Post by: Jonathan MacCormack on November 22, 2007, 09:27:11 PM
Try Yellow Pages and look under "Hardware Stores" and call them for product availability. Try Loews, Target, Home Depot, or using your head to think of imaginative sources and location of the product.

Seems easy to me.

But then, maybe I assume too much!


Jonathan


Title: Re: "Pliobond Cement"
Post by: r.cprmier on November 23, 2007, 09:55:10 AM
Pliobond, Goo, et al, are all pretty much thee same composition.  Figure it this way:  One jobber can push his product to several distributors.  All he had to do was dress it up in different "drag".
Therer isn't as much diversification here as one night think.

RIch


Title: Re: "Pliobond Cement"
Post by: fieromike on November 23, 2007, 10:10:49 AM
Try Yellow Pages and look under "Hardware Stores" and call them for product availability. Try Loews, Target, Home Depot, or using your head to think of imaginative sources and location of the product.

Seems easy to me.

But then, maybe I assume too much!


Jonathan

Don't forget your local Ace Hardware!  These people carry an astounding variety of goodies that will only get you a blank stare at the "big box" places.

Mike


Title: Re: "Pliobond Cement"
Post by: Woody Elmore on November 23, 2007, 11:52:16 AM
Goo was thicker than Pliobond. I myslef would use silicone caulk instead. It works just as well.


Title: Re: "Pliobond Cement"
Post by: r.cprmier on November 23, 2007, 01:06:15 PM
Woody;
Why would you use silicone? 

Rich


Title: Re: "Pliobond Cement"
Post by: Atlantic Central on November 23, 2007, 02:27:27 PM
Gene,

What do you plan to use this stuff for?

I use NON silicone adheasve caulk to glue down track, it works very well. PolySeamSeal is my prefered brand.

Sheldon


Title: Re: "Pliobond Cement"
Post by: SteamGene on November 23, 2007, 06:04:01 PM
Sheldon,
I need to glue track to the top of a viaduct.  The kit specifies Pliobond Cement, which I've never heard of before and I've never before heard of a kit maker specify a particular brand, rather than type.  They listed a  product number and I wondered if it weren't a propriotory brand so I searched and found mention of it, being used, among other things, to fix lenses and mirrors to telescope barrels. 
So I figured somebody here might have some idea. 
Apparently a couple of people had some poor turkey yesterday.
It turns out the stuff is apparently not distributed around here, which is why I didnt recognize the name.  I found some stuff called Goop which sounds like Walthers Goo but much cheaper (why am I not surprised?) and I bought it.
Gene


Title: Re: "Pliobond Cement"
Post by: Woody Elmore on November 24, 2007, 10:46:56 AM
I have found that a little dab of silicone works just as well as Pliobond or rubber cement. I built a number of Walthers and Silver Streak kits years ago and never cared for either Goo or Pliobond. Goo was great with old Atlas flex track with the fiber ties. You could glue it down very easily. It wouldn't work with plastic track - the solvent attacked it.

I am surprised that they still make the stuff. There was a problem with kids sniffing it years back because it was acetone based. So if you meet some really ditzy old model railroaders who built a lot of Walther's kits, you know why they they behave funny!

If someone is intent on using a rubber type cement just get a jar of plain old rubber cement. It used to come in jars with a brush. That's what I used to use. (I used to get the cement that libraries used to stick the little envelope on to the front cover of books. (Books - remember those!)



Title: Re: "Pliobond Cement"
Post by: SteamGene on November 24, 2007, 05:25:39 PM
I've used rubber cement for several things, to include gluing figures to the layout. It holds them well, but it's fairly easy to ease them off and reposition them later.
Gene


Title: Re: "Pliobond Cement"
Post by: r.cprmier on November 24, 2007, 09:02:50 PM
Gene;
If you are looking for a good track adhesive, use either Weldwood@ contact cement or this blue adhesive that comes in a tube.  I have used both and actually lilke the blue stuff a bit better.  lay out a bead, take s spatula and spread it, and lay your track.  With contact cement, it is really permanent-PERMANENT!  You coat both objects.  Just make sure you have it all set up proceedure wise.  Don't screw it up; it is murder to backtrack (excuse the pun).

Rich


Title: Re: "Pliobond Cement"
Post by: SteamGene on November 24, 2007, 09:30:33 PM
Rich, the track in question will go on a bridge.
Gene


Title: Re: "Pliobond Cement"
Post by: r.cprmier on November 24, 2007, 10:44:40 PM
Gene;
No biggie, but I have a suggestion if you haven't thought of it;
Central Valley has a bridge tie system that is compatible with about every plastic bridge structure out there (but especially Central Valley's).

To secure rail to ties,  Iwill use some form of contact cement, such as Pliobond or Goo.  A long long long time ago, there was an adhesive called "instant grip" and it would have worked like gangbusters.  Maybe the lawyers screwed that up, too.

At any rate, most tie strips such as rail line, atlas, etc, are made of an acetal plastic such as delrin, and it is a b***h to secure to anything sans a good contact cement.  Central Valley, on the other hand, is styrene.

All of my bridgework (I sound like a bloomin' dentist, don't I)? employs Jack Parker's bridge tie assemblies.  They look like a million pre-1920 dollars!

RIch


Title: Re: "Pliobond Cement"
Post by: ebtnut on November 26, 2007, 03:30:26 PM
Adhesive come in a myriad of varieties, depending on what you want to do.  Back in the Jurassic times, about all we had for attaching non-similar materials (like wood and metal) was either Goo or Pliobond.  Both do the same thing.  Goo was a bit of a pain to work with because it was thick and it tended to string when you pulled the tip away from your work piece.  Pliobond could be heat-melted after application, which made it nice for hand-laying small rail.  You put a thin coat down on the ties, and let it dry.  Put your first rail down in position, then run a soldering iron over the rail slowly, which melted the Pliobond and bonded it to the rail.  When that set, get your track gauges out and lay the other rail in the same way.  I did about 40 feet of Code 40 this way once upon a time, and it was quite satisfactory. 

For the guy laying the track on the bridge, I would consider using one of the gap-filling ACC's today.  Quick, and generally permanent. 

Re: Silicone--be careful about what you get.  Some are intended more as caulks and fillers, and may not be has "adhesive" as you would like. 


Title: Re: "Pliobond Cement"
Post by: SteamGene on November 26, 2007, 06:33:18 PM
That would be me, Nut!  I think that gap ACC would work, too.  Again, what started this whole thing was a specification for a specific brand - not a type, but a brand, which I'd never heard of because it's not available around here. 
Gene


Title: Re: "Pliobond Cement"
Post by: Loco Bill Canelos on November 26, 2007, 07:29:39 PM
TRy this:

https://www.micro-tools.com/store/item_detail.aspx?ItemCode=P-251-F

Paste it into your browser and go!


Title: Re: "Pliobond Cement"
Post by: Woody Elmore on November 27, 2007, 09:41:56 AM
I noticed that  the local Staples sells little jars of Elmer's rubber cement.  The jars have a brush for application. The price locally is $1.79. I'm sure that it could be substituted for Pliobond.


Title: Re: "Pliobond Cement"
Post by: Jim Banner on November 29, 2007, 11:38:37 PM
Pliobond is an old product that has been in hiding for years and has only lately re-emerged (at least in Canada.)  Much stronger than Elmer's rubber cement, it does not harden and let go like Goo.  It can be painted, unlike silicone, does not require a good fit like ACC, does not require mixing like epoxy, and in many situations, allows repositioning, unlike all the others. 

For best bonding, apply Pliobond to both surfaces, let dry, recoat one side, and press together.  The tack is instant, like contact cement, but allows repositioning for a short time, unlike contact cement.  The only down side is its odor.  It smells rather like uncured phenolic, probably because of a long term adhesive component not found in other rubber cements.  I suppose you could say Pliobond is just another rubber cement with some extra stuff added.  Just as you could also say a fine Chardonnay is just a bottle of water with some other stuff added.

Personally, Gene, I cannot think of a better choice for bonding your track to the top of your viaduct.  Neither, apparently, could the kit manufacturer.


Title: Re: "Pliobond Cement"
Post by: taz-of-boyds on November 30, 2007, 12:00:33 AM
Jim,

Thanks for the low-down on the glue-down.  And to everyone else too, I was not the one asking, but I was watching. Getting the right glue for the job can be a big pain, and I have no experience with Pliobond.

Thanks,
Charles


Title: Re: "Pliobond Cement"
Post by: Bill Baker on November 30, 2007, 04:18:11 PM
Gene and others,

A while back there was a discussion of glue on this forum and some nice soul provided a website in which you could index your various materials and it provided the best effective glue.

Click below:
http://www.thistothat.com/



Title: Re: "Pliobond Cement"
Post by: r.cprmier on December 01, 2007, 04:59:45 PM
  Just as you could also say a fine Chardonnay is just a bottle of water with some other stuff added.

Curb thy tongue, knave!

(hic) Rich


Title: Re: "Pliobond Cement"
Post by: Bill Baker on December 03, 2007, 01:54:46 PM
LOL!

Ahhh, right you are Rich.  I really should have looked more closely at that website....it really doesn't give that much information.  It just popped in my mind and I forwarded out.

Oh well, there still are a few slow freight trains running. :)