Is anyone going to the NMRA train show tomorrow? If anyone is, please post photos.
At the NMRA show they said Rosie is shipping in December and is priced at $119. The sodor salt wagon is $31. The cattle wagon is $28. The troublesome truck #5 is $31. The live lobster refrigerated wagon is $35. Rheneas is shipping in March 2017 and the slate wagons are shipping in Febuary 2017.
And Oliver is not included for some reason.
That's what I said I'm a little annoyed that there is no news on him.
That's odd seeing as Rosie was just announced a few months ago yet we've know about Oliver for over a year now. I wish we would get more info on him. But in secret I was kinda excited for Rosie a little, so it's good to here about her pricing. Hey who knows, maybe we'll see Oliver later, the show hasn't ended so you never know. But if anyone knows for sure and is not just using a site that is guessing themselves, when is Oliver going to be released? Sorry just curious. Also I'm new to the fourm. So hello everyone.
Is Bachmann actually serious right now? No news whatsoever on Oliver, like at all? This is really disheartening, and as unlikely as it is part of me thinks maybe he's just been cancelled... :(
Quote from: HLC Railroad on July 08, 2016, 09:57:56 AM
That's odd seeing as Rosie was just announced a few months ago yet we've know about Oliver for over a year now. I wish we would get more info on him. But in secret I was kinda excited for Rosie a little, so it's good to here about her pricing. Hey who knows, maybe we'll see Oliver later, the show hasn't ended so you never know. But if anyone knows for sure and is not just using a site that is guessing themselves, when is Oliver going to be released? Sorry just curious. Also I'm new to the fourm. So hello everyone.
This was on the forum posted by Yardmaster and is in the general discussion board.
Well like I said, show's not over, they could always wait until the last second so more people get excited and buy it. A lot of companies have been using that tactic lately and since Oliver is really anticipated that might be what they're doing. He could be coming sooner that we thought.
looking at the brochure, it even looks like they might be planning to release Oliver in a matter of days. why else would he be omitted without even a mention? I mean, Toad's release came as a shock to us all. Perhaps they are doing the same thing here.
If there was any news on him it would have been included in the announcement brochure, we may just see a prototype on display and that's it. They are not going to release him without annoucing shipping dates.
Quote from: donaldthescottishtwin on July 08, 2016, 10:16:22 AM
If there was any news on him it would have been included in the announcement brochure, we may just see a prototype on display and that's it. They are not going to release him without annoucing shipping dates.
They just threw toad at us with no notice, and you know, waiting until the last second is a business tactic. Don't give up hope yet.
Are the new rolling stock in stock now looking at the brochure?
Very disappointed with what's in the NMRA brochure this year, I was hoping that Rheneas and the slate wagons would have been out a lot earlier like December, but instead the HO stuff will be out first, which I figured it would be the other way around considering Bachmann's track record.
The new HO stock looks okay for the most part, but all of them aren't anything to write home with. Troublesome Truck #5 is the only decent piece of rolling stock I am personally interested in, the rest as I mentioned in another thread I have no interest in. So at least there is that to look forward to, even though I really was hoping for the other way around.
Curious as to why Oliver or Winston is not in there, hopefully this implies that they will be out sooner, and that they are currently on display at the NMRA.
Rosie is getting released before the locomotives announced LAST year?
I am more upset about Rheneas and the NG rolling stock. Very disappointing and very unfortunate.
Honestly, it feels like everything but what I was interested in is getting released. ::)
Maybe they can't decide if Oliver should be model or CGI based. :P
Quote from: BassTbone on July 08, 2016, 11:02:49 AM
Rosie is getting released before the locomotives announced LAST year?
I am more upset about Rheneas and the NG rolling stock. Very disappointing and very unfortunate.
Honestly, it feels like everything but what I was interested in is getting released. ::)
Or maybe it's there just nobody on the forum is there to see it. Maybe it will be released soon. The show hasn't ended yet so don't lose hope of Oliver coming out soon. They threw toad at us with no notice, maybe this is the same.
I hope that helps ease you're concernes about Oliver.
Quote from: Sparks on July 08, 2016, 11:05:29 AM
Maybe they can't decide if Oliver should be model or CGI based. :P
*Crosses fingers and prays for Model Series style*
He's going to be in his CGI form. They base it off their promos as with Skarloey.
I wonder if anyone will be there to take pictures if the model is there. Likely Oliver is shown and the information is on his little plate. I'm pretty sure the only way to know is if someone is there. Since it is a brochure it's meant to be something they give out which informs people about what else is coming. We may find out tonight or tomorrow morning from someone who is at the show. I sure hope so. Or if it hasn't been shown yet maybe they're waiting until the last day to surprise everyone. It's a business tactic because as soon as people give up hope they show it and surprise everyone making them really excited. I sure hope this is the case since toad is very lonely for the time being.
Also I had to send that message because for some reason my last one got deleted. I know I didn't delete it. Any clue why? Anyways I have a hunch Oliver is coming sooner than we expect. We just have to be on the look out.
Quote from: BassTbone on July 08, 2016, 11:26:17 AM
He's going to be in his CGI form. They base it off their promos as with Skarloey.
To be fair, Skarloey
isn't really based off of his appearance in CGI. The detailing, such as the rivets, and the number plate on the back of the cab, indicates that it's more so Talyllyn in Skarloey's livery, with the face of course.
Hey guys, I've been reading the schedule for the show and if Oliver was revealed today we probably won't find out until after 10 tonight.
Quote from: HLC Railroad on July 08, 2016, 07:02:35 PM
Hey guys, I've been reading the schedule for the show and if Oliver was revealed today we probably won't find out until after 10 tonight.
Is it true? Where did you find it?
nmra2016.org there's a schedule somewhere and it ends at 10. So if someone is there we probably won't find out til after that.
I couldn't find a Bachmann event but I wasn't really looking for it. It'll say spreadsheet on the part it's on.
Quote from: HLC Railroad on July 08, 2016, 09:57:33 PM
I couldn't find a Bachmann event but I wasn't really looking for it. It'll say spreadsheet on the part it's on.
I can't find it. Can you send me the link?
http://media.wix.com/ugd/401ff8_ef639e3515d14fa7bf00b475f8baf74c.pdf
Are they going to do any Bachmann Thomas events at all? Like reveal all the Bachmann Thomas products including Oliver?
Quote from: TTTEfan1992 on July 08, 2016, 10:17:14 PM
Are they going to do any Bachmann Thomas events at all? Like reveal all the Bachmann Thomas products including Oliver?
They kinda already did everything but Oliver already... Which means they're using the old last second tactic or he's at the show now on display and we're just watching and waiting for someone to post pictures.
Quote from: HLC Railroad on July 08, 2016, 10:09:05 PM
http://media.wix.com/ugd/401ff8_ef639e3515d14fa7bf00b475f8baf74c.pdf
Where does it say anything about it?
Just to clarify I'm not at the show. I might've but it interfered with another vacation. I'm just stating what I know already.
Quote from: Thomasfan39 on July 08, 2016, 10:23:54 PM
Quote from: HLC Railroad on July 08, 2016, 10:09:05 PM
http://media.wix.com/ugd/401ff8_ef639e3515d14fa7bf00b475f8baf74c.pdf
Where does it say anything about it?
I never said they would show Oliver just that the show ends at 10 so if we were to receive information at this point it would be after that. Seeing as people will be leaving, that's when they'll have time to post.
What's weird about the schedule is that they have tomorrow (Saturday, July 9, 2016) as the last day of the NMRA show, but the last day of the NMRA show is Sunday, July 10, 2016. Where is Sunday at in the schedule?
It
Quote from: TTTEfan1992 on July 08, 2016, 10:52:17 PM
What's weird about the schedule is that they have tomorrow (Saturday, July 9, 2016) as the last day of the NMRA, but the last day of the NMRA show is Sunday, July 10, 2016. Where is Sunday at in the schedule?
It does just show the events, like a class on how to make realistic scenery (I don't know if that's there just using it as an example) so there's probably just no events that day. If you want a good link full of everything go to http://www.nmra2016.org
What is the "Old Lady Second Tactic"?
Quote from: TTTEfan1992 on July 09, 2016, 12:14:55 AM
What is the "Old Lady Second Tactic"?
It was meant to say wait until the last second or "the last second tactic"
The last second tactic is where they don't release the information people want until the product is being released or it's about to be released so as to make people more curious and more upset that they don't have it already which when it comes out makes them more excited and more likely to buy it.
I found a video of the show and you can see some Thomas and friends stuff in the background as they're talking about a few new releases. I can't make out anything but maybe you can. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj1bFQ0aQGU. I think I saw a brake van and then something yellow underneath it. I'm on a tablet so if someone else could see things better that'd be great.
If Oliver was there we would have gotten a photo from a user by now, frankly since Oliver was not in the show's brochure means he is not present at the show. Sorry but we are just going to have to wait a bit longer his RRP is not even confirmed with retailers yet as I have not been able to Pre-order him because Bachmann has not informed any retailers of a price yet.
Nothing we haven't seen already was there, in the background of another company talking you can see a (Very blurry but a full picture) of the stuff they were displaying
Full (Blurry) shot - http://i.imgur.com/FINKDpx.png
Clear (With people in the way) shot - http://i.imgur.com/LSf455e.png
-Looks like the 3 figures (Sir Topham Hatt, Conductor and Farmer McColl), Then James, and Emily
-Second shelf has the new Fruit and Vegetable car, the new GW Van, Emily's Coach, and (what I would assume) The Sound Thomas
-Third shelf shelf is Toby, S.C. Ruffey, Ice Cream Wagon, Cream Tanker, a Troublesome Truck, and (what I would assume) The Sound Percy
Unfortunate that the Explosives Van wasn't there. Especially considering it's supposed to be out this month with the rest of them...
I was just curious what it was as I couldn't tell. I did see yellow which is not a usual color and I was just wondering if anything new could be made out, weather or not it's Oliver. Thanks for the help though. If I can find anything else that might interest someone I'll post it.
A lot of shops online have been saying October/November for Oliver as of recent. My best guess is that Oliver will probably just pop out in the fall with a photo as well as being released at the same time like Toad did if he is not present at the NMRA. There is no way I could see Bachmann releasing Rosie before Oliver, especially since Oliver was announced first and made it into production a lot earlier than Rosie. The only reason why I think both Oliver and Winston is not in the PDF is because these were announced in 2015 as opposed to a "newly announced 2016 product" like Rosie and Rheneas.
Also, something to think about, even though the pdf mentioned that Rheneas and the slate wagons are due in 2017, it makes me wonder why all of the shops have release dates for those products all on preorder with the exact same release date as Rosie and the HO stock in the pdf. Could there be a mistake in the PDF that someone made while creating it...? Not too many shops have Rosie and the HO stock up, and those that do don't have too many of the price listings yet. Yet Rheneas and the slate wagon listings do at all the shops like tower hobbies, OmniModels, etc.
Just a thought. Not saying that the PDF is wrong, but this was something I thought about earlier regarding the release dates and what each of the stores have all been saying.
Also just because someone hasn't posted a picture does not mean Oliver wasn't shown. It is possible that just no member of the forum is at the show. Or they forgot to take a picture. Or they forgot to post it. Or maybe it's not at the show yet. There's plenty of other reasons why we don't have a picture. And while it's likely he's not there, he still could be. You never know. Or maybe like I think it was James who said he's coming soon, just released without notice or any information but what we already know. It happened with toad who is Oliver's brake van, could be foreshadowing... Like in The Adventure Begins... James is foreshadowing...
Oliver and G scale Winston weren't at the show. Those were announced last year, yet they were able to give out the estimated release timings for the products that were announced this year.
Who knows? Maybe Oliver will get released out of the blue like Toad.
Quote from: TrainFan97 on July 13, 2016, 04:44:10 PM
Oliver and G scale Winston weren't at the show. Those were announced last year, yet they were able to give out the estimated release timings for the products that were announced this year.
Who knows? Maybe Oliver will get released out of the blue like Toad.
I have to agree with you there. It's really the most logical solution at this point. I doubt that they would put new characters before the old. Besides since Toad is Oliver's brakevan it could be a hint as to what Oliver will be like. Hopefully they haven't fallen under the same fate as the redesigned James... They just weren't sent to the plant in time for production until I think 2017.
Quote from: HLC Railroad on July 13, 2016, 06:22:23 PM
Quote from: TrainFan97 on July 13, 2016, 04:44:10 PM
Oliver and G scale Winston weren't at the show. Those were announced last year, yet they were able to give out the estimated release timings for the products that were announced this year.
Who knows? Maybe Oliver will get released out of the blue like Toad.
I have to agree with you there. It's really the most logical solution at this point. I doubt that they would put new characters before the old. Besides since Toad is Oliver's brakevan it could be a hint as to what Oliver will be like. Hopefully they haven't fallen under the same fate as the redesigned James... They just weren't sent to the plant in time for production until I think 2017.
I doubt that, because unlike James, Oliver is an engine that
hasn't been released yet. Completely new.
Well it looks like Oliver is just gonna pop out the blue. I can't think of anything else. Other then them just forgetting about him. But I highly doubt they'd do that.
Bachmann obviously has a process. It's nothing personal against the fans that Oliver isn't released yet. Allow me to speculate about what goes into making a Thomas model.
1-Some suits around a table come up with some products they'd like to introduce.
2-They get a license from the rights holders, (who probably had a say in who was picked)
3-They go into the design stage. Blueprints, C.A.D. and the like.
4The designers run it by some suits, who run it by Mattel.
5-It goes through a second draft
6-Repeat step 4
7-One the design is decided on, they prototype it. First, second, third, fourth.
8-Once the long process of prototyping is complete, they will do an engineering sample, to test out the manufacturing process.
9-Along the way, they have to get approval after approval from HiT and Bachmann executives. They even have to get FCC approval, that it will not interfere with radios ETC.
10-They have to design an insert for the packaging.
11- They have to send instructions to the factory in China, manufacture one, send it to PA, have it approved by all the people, take a picture, and giv the ok to produce more.
12-The factory has to make a batch, test, quality control, package, pick and pack, stick in container, ship it to PA.
13-They then distribute it to stores for us to buy.
It is not a wham-bam-thank-you-mam process. It takes a tonne of hard work and time. I doubt they are standing around. That is also why they have to be choosy about what products get produced.
It's probably astronomically expensive too.
I'm done hearing complaints about how long it is taking. Seriously.
Quote from: Shawn on July 15, 2016, 03:41:37 AM
Bachmann obviously has a process. It's nothing personal against the fans that Oliver isn't released yet. Allow me to speculate about what goes into making a Thomas model.
1-Some suits around a table come up with some products they'd like to introduce.
2-They get a license from the rights holders, (who probably had a say in who was picked)
3-They go into the design stage. Blueprints, C.A.D. and the like.
4The designers run it by some suits, who run it by Mattel.
5-It goes through a second draft
6-Repeat step 4
7-One the design is decided on, they prototype it. First, second, third, fourth.
8-Once the long process of prototyping is complete, they will do an engineering sample, to test out the manufacturing process.
9-Along the way, they have to get approval after approval from HiT and Bachmann executives. They even have to get FCC approval, that it will not interfere with radios ETC.
10-They have to design an insert for the packaging.
11- They have to send instructions to the factory in China, manufacture one, send it to PA, have it approved by all the people, take a picture, and giv the ok to produce more.
12-The factory has to make a batch, test, quality control, package, pick and pack, stick in container, ship it to PA.
13-They then distribute it to stores for us to buy.
It is not a wham-bam-thank-you-mam process. It takes a tonne of hard work and time. I doubt they are standing around. That is also why they have to be choosy about what products get produced.
It's probably astronomically expensive too.
I'm done hearing complaints about how long it is taking. Seriously.
Yes granted that's true it still doesn't make sense that a product that was announced this year is coming out before a product announced over a year. We never said it was a simple process just that Oliver should take priority over other things because he was announced over a year ago yet things that were announced only a few months ago are being released. We're also trying to figure out why this is the case. Again, we never said it was a simple process or it should've been released very shortly after announcement just that he should be out before products that were only announced a few months ago. We understand the process just not why he's not taking priority over others because if he did take priority he would be released before Rosie and such. We never said it was a quick and simple process just that he should take priority and we're trying to figure out why we have release dates for things that are coming out soon but no more than a price for Oliver.
I can't help but think all the speculation would end if Bachmann just made a statement on the matter. At the very least it's good customer service.
EDIT: It is worth nothing that Bachmann are manufacturing USA dock tank engines (Rosie's prototype) and these are selling exclusively(?) through Model Rail magazine. I imagine that given Toad was recycled tooling, Rosie will use elements of the dock tank.. This may explain why she's arriving sooner.
Quote from: sodorlad on July 16, 2016, 04:31:47 AM
I can't help but think all the speculation would end if Bachmann just made a statement on the matter. At the very least it's good customer service.
EDIT: It is worth nothing that Bachmann are manufacturing USA dock tank engines (Rosie's prototype) and these are selling exclusively(?) through Model Rail magazine. I imagine that given Toad was recycled tooling, Rosie will use elements of the dock tank.. This may explain why she's arriving sooner.
Well for a period of time Bachmann made 14xxs. Granted they were large scale but still. And besides when it comes to engines they especially like atleast make it as close to the TV engine as possible. It's very rare they ever use an existing model for the T&F line. They only did with the narrow gauge cars and Toad because they're very nearly exactly the same. It's Hornby's job to take an existing model and stick a face on it. Bachmann likes to do things properly. That's what I like about Bachmann, they're not lazy.
I have a list of official differences between the real thing and the tv model.
Rosie has both her whistle and connecting rods in different positions compared to her prototype:
Rosie's whistle is positioned behind her rear dome whilst her prototype has its whistle positioned on the right side of the middle dome.
Rosie's connecting rods are attached to her middle driving wheels whereas her prototype has its connecting rods attached to the rear driving wheels.
Her funnel is also taller than her basis.
I also think that her boiler is larger and there is a plate right in front of the smoke box that wouldn't be on Rosie. I also see the the cap above her cab is taller than the real thing. I would post pictures but they're too large. Anyways this means that Bachmann would pretty much have to remold most of her so the likely hood she would take less time than Oliver due to the fact she has her basis made by Bachmann is very slim. Oh and like I said Bachmann is not like Hornby who stick a face on an existing train and call it Edward. This is why I think they're just gonna pull the same thing they did with toad and just pull him out of the blue in that are "green for glory" as Mr. Stone once said. I hope this helps you realize how different companies can be and also how much work goes into a single Bachmann engine even if there is a very similar engine already being made.
Wait! What?! Bachmann Rosie is already revealed?
Quote from: TTTEfan1992 on July 16, 2016, 12:47:01 PM
Wait! What?! Bachmann Rosie is already revealed?
Announced. But Bachmann makes the engine that she's based off.
Quote from: sodorlad on July 16, 2016, 04:31:47 AM
I can't help but think all the speculation would end if Bachmann just made a statement on the matter. At the very least it's good customer service.
EDIT: It is worth nothing that Bachmann are manufacturing USA dock tank engines (Rosie's prototype) and these are selling exclusively(?) through Model Rail magazine. I imagine that given Toad was recycled tooling, Rosie will use elements of the dock tank.. This may explain why she's arriving sooner.
Sorry but I have to correct you on that one. Bachman are not making the USA tanks and selling them exclusively through Model Rail magazine. Model Rail magazine had commissioned Bachmann to make the models for them. Bachmann will not sell any. They are only producing the model for Model Rail magazine. It will be Model Rail magazines own loco and tooling, just as they did previously with the Sentinel shutters, produced for them by Dapol.