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Title: Switch Derailing
Post by: lamarager on January 11, 2017, 05:51:11 PM
OK, now I have installed my turnouts and find that the loco frequently derails on it.  I can't see anything wrong.  Any advice?
Title: Re: Switch Derailing
Post by: richiy on January 11, 2017, 06:34:53 PM
Quote from: lamarager on January 11, 2017, 05:51:11 PM
OK, now I have installed my turnouts and find that the loco frequently derails on it.  I can't see anything wrong.  Any advice?

One, some or all the turnouts?

You did say turnouts.

richiy
Title: Re: Switch Derailing
Post by: lamarager on January 11, 2017, 06:52:54 PM
All two of them.
Title: Re: Switch Derailing
Post by: tiebreaker on January 11, 2017, 06:54:44 PM
Numbered turnouts or standard turnout? Which type of loco, steam or diesel? which model?
Title: Re: Switch Derailing
Post by: lamarager on January 11, 2017, 06:58:27 PM
I am new to this.  I will research and be back tomorrow.  Thanks
Title: Re: Switch Derailing
Post by: tiebreaker on January 11, 2017, 07:01:57 PM
Research is good but if you answer the questions you may not have to research far.
Title: Re: Switch Derailing
Post by: rogertra on January 12, 2017, 01:03:21 PM
Personally I use No. 6 switches as a minimum.  I find anything less looks wrong.  I also run a mix of B-B diesels and steam from 0-6-0 switchers through 2-10-2 freight engines.  A No. 6 switch can handle all of these.  I also use code code 83 Atlas Super Switches for their metal frogs and their looks although I do use code 100 switches and track in hidden staging.

Roger T.

Title: Re: Switch Derailing
Post by: lamarager on January 12, 2017, 02:13:36 PM
Can't find loco model number.  maybe H643X-IA001.

Turnouts standard ez trac.
Title: Re: Switch Derailing
Post by: lamarager on January 12, 2017, 02:14:39 PM
That's ISO001
Title: Re: Switch Derailing
Post by: ebtnut on January 12, 2017, 02:42:53 PM
Turnout derailing is almost always the result of one of two things - either the point blade is not seated completely against the stock rail, or one or more wheel sets is out of guage.  You need an NMRA Standards gauge to check for wheel gauge issues. 
Title: Re: Switch Derailing
Post by: lamarager on January 22, 2017, 06:13:42 PM
I have been away for several days (minor surgery) and my derail problem has not fixed itself.  Per ebtnut's posting, I checked the point blade seating and it looks OK.  I purchased a gauge and found that the wheel sets are fine.  However, I checked the flangeway width (between the frog and the wing?) and it appears to be too wide i.e. the middle "tab" on the gauge fits easily between the frog and the wing.  I have Bachmann turnouts and the flangeway is a solid piece of plastic that cannot be adjusted.  All four turnouts have this problem and I have trouble believing that this could be so on a Bachmann product.  What am I doing wrong?
Title: Re: Switch Derailing
Post by: ZeldaTheSwordsman on January 22, 2017, 07:00:26 PM
What locomotive are you using? I'm surprised no-one's asked that yet
Title: Re: Switch Derailing
Post by: lamarager on January 22, 2017, 07:12:19 PM
Actually tiebreaker did ask that and I replied "Can't find loco model number.  maybe H643X-ISO001."  Markings on the box were #00826 and K131105.  Don't know if that means anything.  It came in a beginner set and has Santa Fe painted on it.
Title: Re: Switch Derailing
Post by: ZeldaTheSwordsman on January 22, 2017, 07:21:17 PM
Model number isn't as important as description. How long is it, how many wheels, general shape.
Title: Re: Switch Derailing
Post by: tiebreaker on January 22, 2017, 07:30:07 PM
Appears this may be your set correct?
http://shop.bachmanntrains.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=258_269_270&products_id=1805
I am guessing you have standard turnouts with the plastic frog. That loco should navigate those turnouts easily. I would check your trip pin (hanging hose under coupler) and make sure it is not hitting the frog causing it to derail. If it is then I would suggest a coupler height gauge and a pair of these to bend them up.
http://www.micromark.com/trip-pin-bending-plier-n-scale,7583.html
If you have a video camera you could place it at the turnout and watch in slow motion to see what is actually happening.
Keep us posted.
Title: Re: Switch Derailing
Post by: Ckrails on February 02, 2017, 03:15:14 PM
Do your locos derail in both directions through the switch or just one?  When installing a new turnout, I find that many of my locos derail going into the diverging route (not straight).  I solve this problem by filing/sanding down both sides of the frog (the pointed plastic piece in the center) no more than a millimeter or so and rarely have a problem after that.
CK
Title: Re: Switch Derailing
Post by: lamarager on February 03, 2017, 09:22:10 AM
Thanks.  I'll try it.  The problem has improved but it could get better.