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Title: Unreconized Loco Brand & Make "Can anyone help me"
Post by: HoModeler on February 09, 2017, 08:55:55 AM
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d175/maintrackbrian/IMG_20170209_073649_zps69aky0vs.jpg) (http://s35.photobucket.com/user/maintrackbrian/media/IMG_20170209_073649_zps69aky0vs.jpg.html)

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I got this Loco from a Neighbor / Friend 2 doors up from me that was cleaning up the basement @ his Mothers House & gave it to me.
It has no Box or brand markings on it. I just know it's a DC Loco My questions are is it worth keeping or refurbishing it & how much would this Loco be worth Cleaned up & resold..

Any help would be great Thanks.....


Title: Re: Unreconized Loco Brand & Make "Can anyone help me"
Post by: jonathan on February 09, 2017, 09:20:14 AM
HO Modeler,

This reminds me of a Lionel HO model.  From time-to-time, Lionel dabbled with establishing an HO line of models, and like their O scale, they occasionally marketed make-believe wheel arrangements like the 2-4-2.  The motor also reminds me of Lionel.

I can't see any pick up brushes, which is what you would see in an old Varney locomotive, on the left anyway. Lionel mechanisms were pretty hardy, too. So, if it still runs, that would be more evidence for Lionel.

It doesn't appear to have any Bowser or Mantua identifiers that I recognize, and they would probably have very obvious open frame motors. I see hex screws, instead of slotted screws, which points to an American model vice Japanese.

They only thing that would give it value would be pre-WWII manufacture.  Unfortunately can't put a date on it based on the photos.  Is the boiler metal or plastic?  A metal boiler might help indicate a date and builder.

Of course, I could be way off base.

Regards,

Jonathan


Title: Re: Unreconized Loco Brand & Make "Can anyone help me"
Post by: ebtnut on February 09, 2017, 10:31:29 AM
I'm pretty much with Jonathon on it being old Lionel from the early '60's.  My other thought is that it could be an import, like from Fleishmann.


Title: Re: Unreconized Loco Brand & Make "Can anyone help me"
Post by: jonathan on February 09, 2017, 10:53:21 AM
Just looked up Lionel HO 2-4-2 on the interwebs.

While an exact match of your loco didn't appear, a number of Lionel 2-4-2 photos came up with the same look:

1) same shaped motor in the cab;

2) same hex screw connecting the rod to the cylinder guide;

3) same drive wheels with closed spokes; and

4) same tender.

Also, Lionel was all about casting the bell as part of the boiler, like yours.  They also modeled Pennsy type boilers, as yours appears to be.

I think ebtnut hit the early 60's era just right.

Looked of Aristocraft, Marx, Fleishmann, Bowser, American Flyer, and Mantua.  Nothing came close to the appearance of your loco.

Regards,

Jonathan


Title: Re: Unreconized Loco Brand & Make "Can anyone help me"
Post by: WoundedBear on February 09, 2017, 11:02:49 AM
I think this 1962 ad shows the set that loco would have come with.

http://guidetozscale.com/html/1962_lionel_h0_sets.html (http://guidetozscale.com/html/1962_lionel_h0_sets.html)

(http://guidetozscale.com/assets/images/14023.jpg)

Sid


Title: Re: Unreconized Loco Brand & Make "Can anyone help me"
Post by: Len on February 09, 2017, 11:16:34 AM
Yup. Lionel using an Athearn belt drive system.
http://hoseeker.org/gallery/index.php?album=hotrains3%2Flionelhoengines&image=Lionel-2-4-2-Belt-Drive.jpg (http://hoseeker.org/gallery/index.php?album=hotrains3%2Flionelhoengines&image=Lionel-2-4-2-Belt-Drive.jpg)

In 1963 the entire set it came in sold for $19.95: http://www.hoseeker.org/lionelhoinformation/lionelhocatalog1963pg1.jpg (http://www.hoseeker.org/lionelhoinformation/lionelhocatalog1963pg1.jpg)

Doubtful it's worth even that much these days, as it was a poor runner.

Len


Title: Re: Unreconized Loco Brand & Make "Can anyone help me"
Post by: jonathan on February 09, 2017, 11:25:16 AM
You guys nailed it!

That set was offered 1961-63.  By 1966 Lionel was out of HO.

Regards,

Jonathan


Title: Re: Unreconized Loco Brand & Make "Can anyone help me"
Post by: HoModeler on February 09, 2017, 02:47:10 PM
WOW thanks guys I knew posting the pictures on hear someone would know...
Now the Million Dollar Question is it worth keeping & Rehabbing the loco. I am still not sure what to do with it


Title: Re: Unreconized Loco Brand & Make "Can anyone help me"
Post by: jonathan on February 09, 2017, 02:54:51 PM
I hate to say this about any model locomotive, but there's not much you can do with it.  It's not a runner.  No prototype that I know of. I wouldn't want to tinker with it.  Doesn't have any useful parts that I can see.  If you had the complete set and the box it came with...

Regards,

Jonathan


Title: Re: Unreconized Loco Brand & Make "Can anyone help me"
Post by: dutchbuilder on February 09, 2017, 04:20:04 PM
I would clean it up and keep it as a curiosity.

Ton


Title: Re: Unreconized Loco Brand & Make "Can anyone help me"
Post by: HoModeler on February 09, 2017, 06:05:14 PM
I hate to say this about any model locomotive, but there's not much you can do with it.  It's not a runner.  No prototype that I know of. I wouldn't want to tinker with it.  Doesn't have any useful parts that I can see.  If you had the complete set and the box it came with...

Regards,

Jonathan

Thanks Jonathan & everyone else that helped figure out it was an Older Lionel from the 60's pretty neat though... I have decided to clean the Loco up & display it on one of my Shelf's I have by my Layout as a conversation piece.
 


Title: Re: Unreconized Loco Brand & Make "Can anyone help me"
Post by: JNXT 7707 on February 09, 2017, 09:50:58 PM
Another one was recently posted on the Tyco Forum. Scroll up a few...

http://www.tycoforums.com/tyco/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=17802&#112931


Title: Re: Unreconized Loco Brand & Make "Can anyone help me"
Post by: RAM on February 09, 2017, 11:53:25 PM
2-4-2   The type is sometimes named Columbia after a Baldwin 2-4-2 locomotive was showcased at the 1893 World's Columbian Exposition held at Chicago, Illinois.  Not many were made is the U.S.  There is one still active in the the state of Mo.


Title: Re: Unreconized Loco Brand & Make "Can anyone help me"
Post by: Terry Toenges on February 10, 2017, 02:16:29 PM
Here is the Shelby Brown. We've ridden the tourist train a few times in Jackson MO.
(http://www.sarget.com/images/irmo99-13.jpg)
(http://www.sarget.com/images/irmo99-12.jpg)
(http://www.sarget.com/images/irmo93-2.jpg)


Title: Re: Unreconized Loco Brand & Make "Can anyone help me"
Post by: RAM on February 10, 2017, 05:02:15 PM
Yes that is it.  Better looking than the toy locomotive, but it does look odd.  It looks like something is missing, like it should have been a 2-6-2.


Title: Re: Unreconized Loco Brand & Make "Can anyone help me"
Post by: HoModeler on February 11, 2017, 09:02:16 AM
Here is the Shelby Brown. We've ridden the tourist train a few times in Jackson MO.
(http://www.sarget.com/images/irmo99-13.jpg)
(http://www.sarget.com/images/irmo99-12.jpg)
(http://www.sarget.com/images/irmo93-2.jpg)


WOW I would of loved to ride in the Loco or see it in action for myself....

FYI... The Loco does run I hooked up a DC transformer to a section of spare track I had. Engine Growl's to life wheels seem to be tight though I put a dab of lube on them loco ran a little better. Ran good on low speeds does not like higher speeds though... This Loco might turn into my Christmas time under the tree Loco (Yes I still do that).....


Title: Re: Unreconized Loco Brand & Make "Can anyone help me"
Post by: ebtnut on February 11, 2017, 11:03:48 AM
I suspect that the Shelby Brown started out as a saddle-tank loco.


Title: Re: Unreconized Loco Brand & Make "Can anyone help me"
Post by: RAM on February 11, 2017, 12:54:48 PM
ebtnut.  You are correct. It was built by Porter in 1946 as a tank locomotive.  Most 2-4=2s were tank locomotives.  I know the tender looks a little big for it.