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Are those black wheels I see?
The black wheels and axleboxes look pretty cool. His smokebox still needs an update, but outside of that, I love the model's looks. :)
Percy could use an update as well, though I don't think he'd have any chance of happening.
Quote from: Falcon on November 22, 2017, 10:40:16 AM
The black wheels and axleboxes look pretty cool. His smokebox still needs an update, but outside of that, I love the model's looks. :)
Percy could use an update as well, though I don't think he'd have any chance of happening.
I'm sure they will fix the smokebox sides with it's correct black colour before it's re-release.
Looks absolutely stunning! I can also see that the lining on his tender has been corrected also. Smashing work!
Does anyone think Bachmann will soon make James in the CGI face?
Quote from: TrainshockeylifE on November 22, 2017, 01:01:26 PM
Does anyone think Bachmann will soon make James in the CGI face?
Probably not as that updated picture doesn't have a new face. But Spencer is missing his front buffers in his picture so you never know.
There, now everyone can stop talking about this. :P
Honestly this isn't worth getting that excited over, sure it's nice they have the wheels Black amongst a few other details but they didn't fix every paint error, the face is the same with no update, and it has the same motor before. If people are planning on buying this then by all means go for it, but for me these are things revisions a lot of Thomas fans have done in the past with James models so it's not something I'm overly keen on.
Yes it's an improvement, but will it be an improvement in the sales it had before? Honestly, probably not.
Quote from: Chaz on November 22, 2017, 01:35:37 PM
There, now everyone can stop talking about this. :P
Honestly this isn't worth getting that excited over, sure it's nice they have the wheels Black amongst a few other details but they didn't fix every paint error, the face is the same with no update, and it has the same motor before. If people are planning on buying this then by all means go for it, but for me these are things revisions a lot of Thomas fans have done in the past with James models so it's not something I'm overly keen on.
Yes it's an improvement, but will it be an improvement in the sales it had before? Honestly, probably not.
It's only a picture, we have no idea what all might actually be changed and I for one believe that might include the motor. You never know, it's better to wait and see I think ...
If anything, this will make people talk about revising James even more, as well as other engines now.
Honestly, I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet for something I don't see mentioned when it comes to revisions: The tooling itself. Most of Bachmanns newest toolings, including Oliver, have the body of the locomotive made up of a largely singular solid piece with a few accessories attached. James, Thomas and Percy on the other hand, are a huge assortment of parts; the cab, the boilers, the footplates, etc. If they did a new body tooling that was one condensed tooling, they could probably save resources on the assembly line.
Quote from: Griffin on November 22, 2017, 04:12:51 PM
It's only a picture, we have no idea what all might actually be changed and I for one believe that might include the motor. You never know, it's better to wait and see I think ...
Except when the only thing behind this revision was the paint change, then why would they change the motor in the process? It would actually cost them more money to do even more of a drastic change. Especially with how minimal the revision the model itself had based on the picture.
Quote from: Chaz on November 22, 2017, 04:41:49 PM
Quote from: Griffin on November 22, 2017, 04:12:51 PM
It's only a picture, we have no idea what all might actually be changed and I for one believe that might include the motor. You never know, it's better to wait and see I think ...
Except when the only thing behind this revision was the paint change, then why would they change the motor in the process? It would actually cost them more money to do even more of a drastic change. Especially with how minimal the revision the model itself had based on the picture.
All I'm saying is that it's too early to predict what they might've done, what's the harm in giving them the benefit of the doubt?
Because it probably won't happen... the fact that they bothered with a paint revision at all is kind of a miracle seeing as how the model didn't even go as far as to update the face, something that Bachmann would far more likely revise than a motor is really saying something about the odds of a new motor happening in the process.
A new face would require a totally new mould as well as probably licensing privileges from HiT/Mattel. A motor is, in my eyes at least, something they have far more control over since they themselves are in charge of the mechanical aspect- the physical appearance of the model is something that HiT and Mattel control. This was confirmed on a thread somewhere here.
Quote from: Griffin on November 22, 2017, 04:50:35 PM
A new face would require a totally new mould as well as probably licensing privileges from HiT/Mattel. A motor is, in my eyes at least, something they have far more control over since they themselves are in charge of the mechanical aspect- the physical appearance of the model is something that HiT and Mattel control. This was confirmed on a thread somewhere here.
It's surprising Mattel hasn't mandated CGI faces yet, considering just about every other toy range made the same move, even Tomix.
The motor would have the same control from Hit/Mattel as the face would. ALL changes have to go by Hit/Mattel not just physical appearances and that's because these are licensed products that Bachmann produce with their license.
Thomas got a new motor with his sound model, and that didn't change the physical appearance. It also wouldn't really matter if James' motor was updated or not either. I got a James in 2014, and it ran very smooth straight from the box, something that people (who got the model earlier than that) said never happens, and that their James models were extremely rough out of the packaging. People also said that Thomas was the strongest of the 3 models from 2002, but my James model could pull another car with Thomas loaded on it, and my Thomas would struggle pulling a mail car and james on a flatbed.
Anyway, did anyone notice that they changed the handrail from white to silver, and that James' paint is so shiny it reflects the splashers on it (something that the Celebration Thomas didn't manage)?
The only reason why the sound Thomas model got a new motor had to do with fitting the sound chip and microphone into the model. It was basically a new product and advertised as a new product meanwhile this is being promoted as a James model to the average consumer.
This is probably the best we are going to get with the James model sadly, and it feels a little redundant that some fans would still have to add modifications to it.
I'm sorry Bachmann, But I'll just have to sell all of my Thomas & friends stock made by you sometime next year because I have been losing faith in you ever since the beginning of this year. The same can be said for the actual show, But I digress. As for this image you just released....You barely changed anything! I'm sure you people did your best, But sadly it's not remotely good enough anymore & you just lost a loyal customer. To the rest of my fellow TTTE fans I should consider 3D printing my own models. So wish me luck.
I agree it is not that big of a change, but you can not disagree that it looks miles better than the original. Just with a change of black parts made it look unbelievably better. I will be getting this and replacing the James that I have had since 2005 when it was only like $50 MSRP.
BTW, I have seen people complaining about the face and how it has not been changed. James was seen in the TV series with this same face, around season 8 if i remember correctly. In my opinion it still looks better than Percy's, but then again you have to remember that the first 5 engines were based on cartoon drawings instead of the actual show. I'm sure Hit had something to do with that on characters that followed.
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Quote from: SilviaGunner on November 22, 2017, 05:29:15 PM
I'm sorry Bachmann, But I'll just have to sell all of my Thomas & friends stock made by you sometime next year because I have been losing faith in you ever since the beginning of this year. The same can be said for the actual show, But I digress. As for this image you just released....You barely changed anything! I'm sure you people did your best, But sadly it's not remotely good enough anymore & you just lost a loyal customer. To the rest of my fellow TTTE fans I should consider 3D printing my own models. So wish me luck.
Just because you have 'lost faith' in Bachmann doesnt mean you have to sell of what you already have. A lot of people have modified engines to have more detailed parts. I have even seen a modeler that has added handrails to all of his engines and it looks great! Hopefully you can keep what you have and not move on, but looks like none of us can stop you. Good luck on if you do make 3D printed models.
Quote from: Rickenbacker 325 on November 23, 2017, 12:53:23 PM
James was seen in the TV series with this same face, around season 8 if i remember correctly
James has never had a face like that in the show. Bachmann didn't start using the show for face references until Gordon and Henry.
Isn't this the same face?
(http://i65.tinypic.com/qsnoz6.png)
(http://i65.tinypic.com/1ibqe0.png)
Nope, the face on James, as well as the paint errors from the (now) earlier model and error on the smokebox support came from the promotional artwork used in the early 2000's.
(http://i65.tinypic.com/160y49s.jpg)
Hmm. Looking at that picture, somehow Bachmann knew to color the front side of James's tender (the side facing the cab) black, but none of the other parts. I wonder how.
Hello, does the NEW James have a different item number than the old James? The only one I can see on this site is Item 58743. If there is NOT a new item number, how can I tell if I will receive a NEW James or an OLD James? Thanks!!
The item number will be the same as the current number.
You will have to ask vendors online if it's the new or older version.
Quote from: angelob6660 on November 30, 2017, 09:32:04 PM
The item number will be the same as the current number.
You will have to ask vendors online if it's the new or older version.
That or you could just look at the wheels, if it's still in box, if it's out of box, at this point it's almost definitely a modified old one.
Re checking whether a model is the new paint scheme or not: For new James, look for the 2017 copyright date or 17 in the production code below the ISBN box.
Quote from: InsideTrack on December 01, 2017, 11:27:42 AM
Re checking whether a model is the new paint scheme or not: For new James, look for the 2017 copyright date or 17 in the production code below the ISBN box.
Will James be in the new packaging that Thomas and Rosie are in?
I don't see why they wouldn't use the new packaging for James. Rheneas also got an updated packaging style too with a new box with updated artwork.