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Title: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: Cheeky_ULP on July 18, 2018, 03:10:45 AM
Recently, I've taken the effort to acquire the Tomix Thomas range, and I have to say that it's one of my favorite Thomas ranges period. However, its availability is limited, especially for a younger audience. N scale has a large presence in the USA, and many N scalers love putting the Tomix Thomas items on their layout (as the range was easier to get until about 4 years ago). I think this is a hole in the market that Bachmann could easily fill.

One thing I think Bachmann should make an important note of if they go down this avenue though, is that the Tomix Thomas range is slightly overscale to N scale, similar to how the Large Scale Thomas is larger than Gauge 1. I think if Bachmann matched the scaling of this theoretical range to the Tomix range, they would have a range "steaming with synergy" for the US and Japanese market alike (who would definitely import the stuff, just as Americans have imported Hornby items, and British people Bachmann items). In a post shortly after this, I can post measurements of the range if people want to see what I mean.

Anyway, if Bachmann did jump into making N Scale Thomas items in the US, I think a small range similar to the Large Scale range could work. It could easily start with a simple set of items like...

Engines:
- Thomas
- Percy
Rolling Stock:
- Annie
- Clarabel
- Troublesome Truck 1
- Troublesome Truck 2

Which over the years, could extend to James, and possibly Emily, Toby, Rosie or Diesel. Rolling stock offerings could even expand to the vans and tankers, similar to the ones in the Large Scale range. Even a NW Brakevan or Spiteful Brakevan would make a great addition, and once Bachmann has those basic wagons out, they can easily milk the tooling for multiple decals and designs.

The main thing I think would be an obstacle though is pricing and resources, as Bachmann already has the HO/OO range going on, Large Scale, -and- a OO9 range that has just began a few years ago.

What do you guys think; a good idea, a bit too soon, something worthy for the future to consider, or even a bit farfetched?


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: Rodimus Supreme on July 18, 2018, 11:45:09 AM
I think itíd be possible. Would probably be something to consider later, instead of right now. Also, being a range smaller than HO/OO Scale, Iíd hope they could do tender engines, unlike G Scale. If anything right now, I think Bachmann should focus on getting the license to sell their HO/OO Scale Thomas and Friends items in the UK first, now that Hornby has given that license up, and hopefully that income from new territories can help fund larger and newer releases for HO/OO Scale, and maybe G Scale.


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: Chaz on July 18, 2018, 12:15:20 PM
I've mentioned the idea of Bachmann acquiring the license for N scale Thomas models before, and I personally think it would be a wonderful idea, especially when Tomix is only selling their new range in Japan.

I think the range will more likely than not reach "Tomix size" as you mentioned earlier and it would be a good way to get the engines and stock from both ranges to at least be in the same size as each other. 

The range would in no doubt start with Thomas, Percy, and James.  I can easily see the range doing more characters from there as you mentioned before, but with some of the recent choices made by both Bachmann, or even Tomix's new range it does make me wonder what they will produce.  One of the biggest reasons I was for an N scale range was that size would not be an issue, unlike large scale, so Gordon and Henry would be a lot more possible, especially considering that Tomix made Henry in their old range and Gordon was announced too.  However, the new Tomix range only has Thomas, Percy and James so far and it seems like that, especially in the case of James, the models have been given new fly-wheel motors so they can navigate tight radiuses.  This isn't too much of a bad thing but it does make me wonder if the range is going to bother to bring back any of their larger additions like Henry or the mail car.  I personally hope that if Bachmann makes an N scale range themselves that they realize that demand for larger engines in N scale is definitely there, especially since Gordon still never got made by Tomix. 

I think the number of ranges Bachmann has for Thomas really should not be all that much of an issue, especially when considering that large scale, and even more recently the HO range has relied more on recolors for their lineups so it probably shouldn't be much, if any issue, with the other ranges. 

Personally I think an N scale range from Bachmann has a lot of potential and it would be a great way for Bachmann to increase their overall sales and encourage more people to get in the hobby of model trains.


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: Cheeky_ULP on July 21, 2018, 01:57:08 PM
Thinking on it more, I think if Bachmann did engines beyond Thomas and Percy, they could have an upper hand in the market by doing engines that aren't already on the market. James seems almost inevitable, but I think it'd be interesting if Bachmann skipped James and went right to an engine like Diesel or Gordon, as it's untapped potential. Many, many N scalers (especially in the Japanese fandom) kitbash Henry models into making Gordon, so the demand for Gordon is apparent.


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: Chaz on July 21, 2018, 09:41:19 PM
I think it's safe to say that James would be the third engine, regardless of the demand.  But maybe announcing Gordon alongside could work if they wanted to get him out sooner knowing that there is a market for an N scale Gordon, amongst other characters like Toby, Edward, Duck, etc.

Personally I could see it going like this if it really came down to it:

Year 1: Thomas and Percy
Year 2: James
Year 3: Gordon and Henry (since they share the same chassis and finding a Tomix Henry is pretty hard to come by, (I would know since I'm looking for another one)).
Year 4: Emily
Year 5: Toby

I think any other characters like Edward or Diesel would really depend on how the range would do at that point.


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: really called Thomas on August 11, 2018, 01:23:06 PM
If Bachmann go into N scale, and they were easily available in the UK, then I would buy the lot and sell my HO collection in a heartbeat!


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: Chaz on September 25, 2018, 11:51:23 PM
Thinking on it a little bit, I had a crazy thought if we get an N scale range.

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Both the HO and Large scale James models (including the updated HO James) both have their faults like the HO model having an inaccurate face and incorrect smokebox, while the large scale James has gray wheels.  Seeing as how the faults are completely different from one another, I would be genuinely curious to see Bachmann pull off an N scale James and I would hope that if done right, with the large scale design and black wheels like the new HO James, we could probably get a really accurate James model with no odd paint errors.

Just a little thought I had, hopefully we can hear more thoughts on an N scale range in general since I really feel it would take off in sales from Bachmann like how the large scale range did when it first started.


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: Streak on October 08, 2018, 05:25:51 PM
Thought I'd finally come onto this thread and share my thoughts on this Bachmann N Scale idea.

Chuffing Genius! :o

The HOn30 range with the narrow guage engines shows that Bachmann can make highly detailed and marketable small models. I mean just look at how much bank Skarloey and Rheneas made.

The reason I've been slow to post my predictions for the Large Scale range in 2019 is because honestly... I think the large scale range is nearing it's end. There's just not a whole lot they could do. They could finally make Diesel but who knows? The only other engines I could see them making in that range are the Class 08s, Bill & Ben, Philip, and Rosie (maybe Duck, Edward, and Nia but they're a bit on the big side.). They would never make anything bigger than Emily, so Gordon, Henry, and Rebecca are off the table. And they're running out of rolling stock recolors as well.

A N Scale range on the other hand has so much potential! They could make almost any character from Thomas and Friends in this range: small, tall, wide, or narrow. As long as it's in the budget. Real talk, they could make ALL the engines currently in the HO range as well as Nia, Rebecca, Daisy, Stanley, Philip, Sidney, Ryan, Scotsman, Merlin, Samson, Stepney, and more! Now I'm not expecting these models to all come out at one time as N Scale can be very expensive. Here's what I think the base roster of N Scale Thomas engines might be.

Engines:

Thomas
Percy
James

Rolling Stock:

Annie
Clarabel
Troublesome Trucks 1 and 2
Red Branchline Coach
Red Branchline Brake Coach

That's what I think they could do with the first year and then overtime they can add the rest of the Steam Team, the classic bunch, Nia, Rebecca, and so on.

To rap this all up, I have to say that an N Scale Thomas range by Bachmann would be amazing. I really hope this thread takes off so one day this becomes a reality. That's it from me. Peace.


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: Rodimus Supreme on October 10, 2018, 06:33:16 PM
Thought I'd finally come onto this thread and share my thoughts on this Bachmann N Scale idea.

Chuffing Genius! :o

The HOn30 range with the narrow guage engines shows that Bachmann can make highly detailed and marketable small models. I mean just look at how much bank Skarloey and Rheneas made.

The reason I've been slow to post my predictions for the Large Scale range in 2019 is because honestly... I think the large scale range is nearing it's end. There's just not a whole lot they could do. They could finally make Diesel but who knows? The only other engines I could see them making in that range are the Class 08s, Bill & Ben, Philip, and Rosie (maybe Duck, Edward, and Nia but they're a bit on the big side.). They would never make anything bigger than Emily, so Gordon, Henry, and Rebecca are off the table. And they're running out of rolling stock recolors as well.

A N Scale range on the other hand has so much potential! They could make almost any character from Thomas and Friends in this range: small, tall, wide, or narrow. As long as it's in the budget. Real talk, they could make ALL the engines currently in the HO range as well as Nia, Rebecca, Daisy, Stanley, Philip, Sidney, Ryan, Scotsman, Merlin, Samson, Stepney, and more! Now I'm not expecting these models to all come out at one time as N Scale can be very expensive. Here's what I think the base roster of N Scale Thomas engines might be.

Engines:

Thomas
Percy
James

Rolling Stock:

Annie
Clarabel
Troublesome Trucks 1 and 2
Red Branchline Coach
Red Branchline Brake Coach

That's what I think they could do with the first year and then overtime they can add the rest of the Steam Team, the classic bunch, Nia, Rebecca, and so on.

And here's one idea for this line I'm sure no one else has brought up: The Small Railway Engines.

Think about it. They could also release Small Railway content and have it tie into the HO scale standard gauge engines. Correct me if I'm wrong but N Scale engines would basically be minimum gauge when put next to HO scale. Maybe it's a little bit off but it's close enough, right? If they made Arlesdale Railway content, it would most likely be:

Engines:

Mike
Rex
Bert

Rolling Stock:

Arlesdale Ballast Hopper Truck
Arlesdale Open Coach
Arlesdale Covered Coach

To rap this all up, I have to say that an N Scale Thomas range by Bachmann would be amazing. I really hope this thread takes off so one day this becomes a reality. That's it from me. Peace.
A: Bachmann already announced a Large Scale Diesel, and they cancelled him. If theyíre going to cancel a model that more than likely wouldíve sold, that tells me they are practically dead in the water, and thus the other Class 08 recolors will definitely not happen.

B: The Narrow Gauge Engines for the Bachmann Thomas and Friends line are N Scale (N/009/HON30 are basically the same scale). The Arlesdale Railway Engines would be Z Scale, which is minuscule, and thus will probably not happen.


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: Streak on October 10, 2018, 08:20:03 PM
A: Bachmann already announced a Large Scale Diesel, and they cancelled him. If theyíre going to cancel a model that more than likely wouldíve sold, that tells me they are practically dead in the water, and thus the other Class 08 recolors will definitely not happen.

B: The Narrow Gauge Engines for the Bachmann Thomas and Friends line are N Scale (N/009/HON30 are basically the same scale). The Arlesdale Railway Engines would be Z Scale, which is minuscule, and thus will probably not happen.

I still think it's possible for Bachmann to reconsider their cancelation of Large Scale Diesel but this is the N Scale thread so I'd rather not go into that.


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: Rodimus Supreme on October 11, 2018, 01:58:35 PM
A: Bachmann already announced a Large Scale Diesel, and they cancelled him. If theyíre going to cancel a model that more than likely wouldíve sold, that tells me they are practically dead in the water, and thus the other Class 08 recolors will definitely not happen.

B: The Narrow Gauge Engines for the Bachmann Thomas and Friends line are N Scale (N/009/HON30 are basically the same scale). The Arlesdale Railway Engines would be Z Scale, which is minuscule, and thus will probably not happen.

I still think it's possible for Bachmann to reconsider their cancelation of Large Scale Diesel but this is the N Scale thread so I'd rather not go into that.

N Scale is smaller to HOn30 scale (if you've seen Bachmann Skarloey and Tomix Thomas next to each other) so Small Railway Engines still work. Small Railway Engines aren't that smaller than the Narrow Gauge engines (and even if I'm wrong, I'd rather have them too big than to not have them at all)
Actually Miniature Gauge engines would definitely be too small for N Scale, despite the minute differences between N and HON30 Scale. Theyíd still have to be Z scale. And even if Bachmann did those characters in N Scale, it wouldnít go over well, as having them be the completely wrong scale in general wouldnít work for a hobby about scale.


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: Cheeky_ULP on October 11, 2018, 03:49:08 PM
If they're the wrong scale, then I don't see the point


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: Chaz on October 11, 2018, 04:47:36 PM
There is no market for miniature gauge modeling and Bachmann Trains does not supply any Z scale track, there is really no point in them investing in an incredibly niche market for the small railway.

I also think we should stay on topic since the purpose of this thread is discussing a matter of if Bachmann acquires the license to sell and produce N scale models instead of getting mad at people for disagreeing with you on the idea of the small railway engines.


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: Streak on October 11, 2018, 06:14:44 PM
There is no market for miniature gauge modeling and Bachmann Trains does not supply any Z scale track, there is really no point in them investing in an incredibly niche market for the small railway.

I also think we should stay on topic since the purpose of this thread is discussing a matter of if Bachmann acquires the license to sell and produce N scale models instead of getting mad at people for disagreeing with you on the idea of the small railway engines.

Sigh... Ok maybe I got a little too heated there. I'm sorry. I just thought it would be a good idea and I guess I got overhyped. Thinking about it now after I've cooled down, I don't think it would be good to have the miniature engines in N Scale. I'll edit my original post as such. I still think that N Scale Thomas engines by Bachmann would be a great idea though and I'm open to hearing any more ideas about that.


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: Angelob6660 on October 11, 2018, 08:31:07 PM
If Bachmann does decide.
I could see Edward being made after Gordon and Henry. After they did Thomas, Percy, and James. Perhaps after that than Toby and Mavis.

Rolling stock hopefully in a two or three pack. Can be some
Cattle Wagon
Brake Van
Tank wagons
Troublesome Trucks
Box van/salt van combo
Gordon/James' express coaches


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: Streak on October 11, 2018, 08:52:45 PM
If Bachmann does decide.
I could see Edward being made after Gordon and Henry. After they did Thomas, Percy, and James. Perhaps after that than Toby and Mavis.

Rolling stock hopefully in a two or three pack. Can be some
Cattle Wagon
Brake Van
Tank wagons
Troublesome Trucks
Box van/salt van combo
Gordon/James' express coaches

It would be very nice if the rolling stock came in packs. Saves time having to individually buy Annie and Clarabel or Troublesome Truck 1 and 2. I can't say for sure which engines they'd pick for the line. I'm sure that they'll start with Thomas, Percy, and James but anything beyond that is up in the air. I'd at least hope they'd make all the current engines in HO Scale is this theoretical line while also throwing in some curveballs in here and there. That's all I could want.

This was a query that came to me between now and my last post. Would Bachmann have four separate ranges for Thomas? Would they possibly cancel or stop releasing new products from one of the other three ranges? (If any, my money's on large scale)


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: Angelob6660 on October 12, 2018, 03:52:39 PM
Man, I don't know why you want Large Scale to failed. It's just wrong and selfish.

Well the freight/passenger cars packs can also be sealed individually. For that type of people who want more of the same car without spending extra.


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: Chaz on October 12, 2018, 04:28:56 PM
He didnít say that he wants the range canceled, but more along the lines of if one of the three were to be dropped, large scale would probably be the one.  Personally I agree with him considering their recent overall track record after Toby got made hasnít been too great.  That doesnít mean I want it cancelled, honestly if I ever had the money or in this case, the space I would probably have picked up a few models from that range too.

As for engines they would do after Thomas, Percy or James, I think Toby and Emily would certainly be likely since they were both popular in HO and large scale.  Beyond them, Edward, Gordon, Henry, and Diesel, it would really depend on how well the sales for the new range would do from there.


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: Streak on October 12, 2018, 06:35:23 PM
He didnít say that he wants the range canceled, but more along the lines of if one of the three were to be dropped, large scale would probably be the one.  Personally I agree with him considering their recent overall track record after Toby got made hasnít been too great.  That doesnít mean I want it cancelled, honestly if I ever had the money or in this case, the space I would probably have picked up a few models from that range too.

As for engines they would do after Thomas, Percy or James, I think Toby and Emily would certainly be likely since they were both popular in HO and large scale.  Beyond them, Edward, Gordon, Henry, and Diesel, it would really depend on how well the sales for the new range would do from there.

Thank you, Chaz.  :) I never said I wanted the range canceled. I respect the Large Scale range and it's fans. Like Chaz, I just don't have the money or space to buy any of the models. I do appreciate the work put into it. I appreciate that it brought Spiteful Brakevan into Bachmann form, the CGI designs used for the engines, and the existence of Winston in that range. (Honestly Winston is the one large scale character I have the most interest in getting some day since he's exclusive to that range.) I don't want the Large Scale range to die, it just seems inevitable unless they can finally release a engine (Diesel, Rosie, or Edward).

Back on the topic of N Scale, do you think that if Bachmann made this range, it would grow popular enough to keep up with HO Scale. Like to the point where you wouldn't expect it to be discontinued (that's how I view HO Scale). This is all hypothetical but do you guys/gals think it has that potential?


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: Chaz on October 14, 2018, 10:56:05 PM
Well, funny you should ask that, I did actually do a Facebook poll not too long ago asking fans in a modeling group if they would be interested in an N scale range from Bachmann, and the results were different from what I expected.

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The majority said yes, which I naturally would agree with, but not by much compared to the second most popular answer which was no.  Obviously this isnít even the majority of the fandom so it is a little hard to tell but maybe they are already content with the HO/009 (or for some large scale) collections that they most likely have so far and donít want to invest in/canít afford another scale?  Maybe they donít want to invest in something a lot smaller than what they are used to?  Either way, I would be interested in seeing what a larger majority of the fandom would say beyond just Facebook.

Not that far behind, was that they would buy the engines Tomix never made.  This makes perfect sense, especially when Tomix only produced only four engines, with Henry not even being brought to the new range yet.  Either way, I think if Bachmann acquires the license for N scale models, they would possibly see the best sales in the range come from models beyond Thomas, Percy and James.

The rest of the votes ranged from maybe to not right away.


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: Streak on October 15, 2018, 01:07:35 PM
Huh... I guess I can see why some people would say "No". Those people probably have HO scale/Large scale products and wouldn't want to double dip (like you said). I don't have much HO scale stuff in Bachmann yet. If Bachmann released N Scale engines with CGI designs that have the same quality and detail as the HO/HOn30 line, I might consider purchasing both lines or just the N Scale range. I do agree with that one voter that Bachmann should wait till they're back on their feet before trying a new range.

Speaking of the Tomix range, I'm personally wondering where that will go. Will they make the rest of the products from the old line (Henry, mail vans, the express)? Will they make completely new characters that weren't in the old line? It's funny that Tomix is currently one of the only Japanese Thomas merchandise lines that doesn't have Hiro in it.  :)


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: Streak on February 15, 2019, 04:30:21 PM
Well, this thread's become relevant once more...

It make sense that the first products in the new N Scale Thomas range were exactly like most of our predictions. Thomas and Percy were the most obvious character picks and Annie, Clarabel, and the T. Trucks were the most obvious rolling stock picks. If N Scale Thomas and Percy are based on their CGI designs, I hope the coaches and the trucks are CGI style as well. I was never a fan of this inconsistency in the Large Scale range (CGI engines but classic style rolling stock  ???)

If this new line does continue, I'm expecting James, Red Coaches, and maybe even S.C.Ruffey and Spiteful Brakevan in 2020. I'm interested in seeing how this line goes forward. I may actually consider collecting it.


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: mulfred-100 on February 15, 2019, 04:54:34 PM
The problem I see with this, I'm not an n scale modeller and many other modellers aren't either so there's a big gap in the market but bachmann hasn't actually produced a set like they did with the HO range and Large scale range. For someone new to this it would have been nice to include a set to get people more intrested rather then just the engines and rolling stock. I hope it does well.


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: Streak on February 15, 2019, 05:27:12 PM
The problem I see with this, I'm not an n scale modeller and many other modellers aren't either so there's a big gap in the market but bachmann hasn't actually produced a set like they did with the HO range and Large scale range. For someone new to this it would have been nice to include a set to get people more intrested rather then just the engines and rolling stock. I hope it does well.

True, that is a good point. Would've been nice if they had made a Thomas, Annie, and Clarabel Set and a Percy and T.Trucks Set like Large Scale. Maybe they don't think N Scale Sets are profitable? Idk.

I just hope this line doesn't crash and burn because I love the idea of it.


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: mulfred-100 on February 15, 2019, 05:53:33 PM

True, that is a good point. Would've been nice if they had made a Thomas, Annie, and Clarabel Set and a Percy and T.Trucks Set like Large Scale. Maybe they don't think N Scale Sets are profitable? Idk.

I just hope this line doesn't crash and burn because I love the idea of it.

Oh I do too. I think it could be brilliant. I just find it hard to get on board with since theres no starter set being brought out. And there is a huge potential for that and it would be profitable. At the moment thats tomix's advantage that they do have an introductory set for us non N Scale modellers to jump on and expand and that's where this has slightly let bachmann down in not doing that. It's great for existing N Scale modellers but for the guys who aren't N Scale modellers it makes life a bit more difficult.


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: SodorRoundhouse on February 15, 2019, 06:01:52 PM
Not gonna lie, I wasnít so keen on the idea of N Scale at first. But after seeing all the ideas being mentioned, Iím certainly beginning to warm to the idea :) Iím definitely interested in seeing where the range goes in any case and as some have previously mentioned, thereís a much bigger possibility of producing the bigger engines in N Scale rather then G Scale! Hope Iím not getting too ahead of myself by saying this, but if they ever announced Bill and Ben, I wouldnít hesitate to model the China Clay Pits! ;)


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: Streak on February 15, 2019, 06:19:45 PM
Not gonna lie, I wasnít so keen on the idea of N Scale at first. But after seeing all the ideas being mentioned, Iím certainly beginning to warm to the idea :) Iím definitely interested in seeing where the range goes in any case and as some have previously mentioned, thereís a much bigger possibility of producing the bigger engines in N Scale rather then G Scale! Hope Iím not getting too ahead of myself by saying this, but if they ever announced Bill and Ben, I wouldnít hesitate to model the China Clay Pits! ;)

Cool! I'm glad you've warmed up to it! I agree that unlike Large Scale, this N Scale Range will have a much wider range of characters that Bachmann will be able to make. I'm honestly struggling to find character who wouldn't work in this range. I'm sure there are some but I can't think of any. Probably Winston wouldn't work but that's really it.

In terms of possible engines, I believe all the engines in the HO Scale are possible as well as other characters like Stepney, Daisy, Stanley, Ryan, Merlin, Porter, Samson, Nia, Rebecca, Philip, Sidney, Frankie, Hiro, and more. Who knows, maybe even a N Scale Diesel 10 is possible but maybe I'm getting too excited. There's so many possibilities I see for this line.


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: TrainFan97 on February 15, 2019, 06:44:27 PM
For the next several years, Bachmann needs to focus on getting all the main characters out there. Hopefully, still two engines a year. James is inevitable for 2020. Along with James, we could get the Red Coaches, Mail Car, S.C. Ruffey, or even the Spiteful Brake Van. I'd love to have N Scale Diesel someday.


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: Falcon the 2nd on February 15, 2019, 06:49:03 PM
Not gonna lie, I wasnít so keen on the idea of N Scale at first. But after seeing all the ideas being mentioned, Iím certainly beginning to warm to the idea :) Iím definitely interested in seeing where the range goes in any case and as some have previously mentioned, thereís a much bigger possibility of producing the bigger engines in N Scale rather then G Scale! Hope Iím not getting too ahead of myself by saying this, but if they ever announced Bill and Ben, I wouldnít hesitate to model the China Clay Pits! ;)

I've been warming up to the idea of N Scale as well! I would love to see the range become a success and I'm hoping Bachmann can learn from past lineups to make this as delightful as possible. It just might turn out to be a bigger success than Large Scale was due to a broader user base, a less strict variety of characters to create and, of course, affordability.

I'd love to pick up a starter set if it's ever announced at a later date and I'd most certainly pick up James, Toby and Mavis if they are ever announced within the next few years.  :)


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: JLK2707 on February 16, 2019, 03:42:17 AM
If bachmann made Gordon in N scale, I would just have him pulling a train of open wagon troublesome trucks with a brake van rather than the express. How about you?


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: AJW98Productions on February 16, 2019, 08:25:08 AM
In the past, I have been overwhelmingly positive about the idea of an N gauge Bachmann Thomas & Friends line, but recently a friend pointed out something to me that I can't help but think in my head. Was starting with Thomas and Percy the right call?

I know that sounds like a dumb question, but the Tomix range is very well established among the T&F modelling community as the N Gauge Thomas & Friends line. So was it a good choice to announce their own, when they may just be creating equivalent to characters that already exist? And unlike other companies, which previously have based their Thomas models on the engines' real life basis (for the most part) Tomix also bases their models on the TV series models. So they may be placing themselves into a position where their producing models that could potentially come off as "redundant" to people who already own their equivalents. And I'm not trying to criticise or comment too heavily on the practices and models by other manufacturers. I'm just expressing my concerns about these announcements.

Finally, this is more of an open question, do you guys think Bachmann will make their T&F models in a scale that more closely resembles standard British N Gauge (1:148), or a scale more similar to what Tomix employs for their Thomas models (I'm given to understand their models are larger than standard British N Gauge)?

Again, I'm not trying to stir up controversy or comment too heavily on other ranges, and I'm certainly not criticising them, I'm mainly using Tomix as a frame of reference here, as I'm not sure of the exact scales or how else to bring up discussion about these topics. Have a great day everyone.

~Alex


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: BassTbone on February 16, 2019, 08:49:14 AM
As someone who has owned the older and newer lines of Tomix, I can say that Bachmann getting the mans to make N is more exciting. 

Tomix never released past four engines, with the newer releases only being the first three.  I know from experience that the tooling for the newer ones was terrible.  I went through two James locos because they stripped gears with little use.  Tomix was also over-scaled. 


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: Cheeky_ULP on February 16, 2019, 12:48:28 PM
A thing people need to remember is for over 10 years (and still, despite the re-release) Tomix is not easily available to the Western market. While younger people like us are savvy enough to use websites like eBay or Amazon to find them, your average joe N scale modeller who has grandchildren would likely not get an N scale Thomas unless it was available at their local hobby store. Bachmann sees a potential market here with how many N scalers there are in the USA to get them a more-accessible Thomas and Percy.


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: douglas on February 16, 2019, 01:02:29 PM
Tomix never released past four engines, with the newer releases only being the first three.  I know from experience that the tooling for the newer ones was terrible.  I went through two James locos because they stripped gears with little use.  Tomix was also over-scaled. 

Had the same happen to me as well. I'll never claim to be an expert on model-train anatomy, but my first James model, straight out the new box mind you, ran a few times around my squeaky-clean Tomix-sectional oval before inexplicably clamming up. Tried a few times to reset the power, did yet another track cleaning (it can never be too clean!), nothing. Ended up selling it for about half of what I originally got it for on eBay.
The thing I really didn't like about the Tomix line was the ENORMOUS power packĖin planning my layout I'm trying to fit the power pack into a corner of an approx. 3x6-ft. board and cover it with scenery, which is all but impossible with theirs... and if I'm not mistaken one can't use other brands of controllers with Tomix sectional track. (Correct me if I'm wrong.)


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: TerencetheTractor525 on February 18, 2019, 04:26:20 PM
Considering that the new N Scale Thomas line is targeted to older fans, imagine if Bachmann really surprised us with basing the models off the model series, specifically Thomas and Percy's faces:

(http://i67.tinypic.com/qxufdl.png)          (http://i64.tinypic.com/6hs2df.png)

This would make things much more interesting, since the faces of the HO models are based off promotional art and the faces of the large scale models are based off the CGI era.

If Bachmann took this approach, I may even consider collecting the line.


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: TheBlueSnowplow (Griffin) on February 18, 2019, 06:35:46 PM
Let me make one thing clear- if Bachmann's N scale models are classic-series themed, they will have me hook, line, and sinker. But I highly doubt this will be the case.


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: TrainMan2001 on February 18, 2019, 06:49:51 PM
I would actually be all for them having those faces as well. That would give each range it's own unique difference from each other as well. If they eventually make a brakevan that actually has the TV series livery, that would be another nice difference, as well as give the Spiteful Brake Van a unique livery in this line as well.


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: Chaz on February 18, 2019, 09:33:34 PM
As nice of an idea as that would be, I think itís almost obvious, if not inevitable, that they will go with the CGI designs for the characters in the new n scale range.

Doesnít mean that we canít replace the faces on the models with 3D printed faces or anything. ;)


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: TerencetheTractor525 on February 18, 2019, 09:52:27 PM
As nice of an idea as that would be, I think itís almost obvious, if not inevitable, that they will go with the CGI designs for the characters in the new n scale range.

Doesnít mean that we canít replace the faces on the models with 3D printed faces or anything. ;)

Thatís fair. I just think that basing the N scale models off the model series instead of the CGI era would make the models extra special, interesting, and really wow us older fans. I donít think that any of us could disagree with that :).


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: TrainMan2001 on February 19, 2019, 07:43:08 PM
I contacted Bachmann about what the N scale range will be scaled like.
This is my email copy and pasted (except my real name, obviously):
To Whom It May Concern,
What scale will the new N Scale Thomas & Friends range be made in? Will they be made in 1:160, like the other U.S. N scale products, or will they be scaled to 1:148, such as those made by Graham Farish by Bachmann? Thank you.
Sincerely,
___________

This is what they sent back (My name is omitted again):
Dear ___________,

 

Thank you for your interest in Bachmann Trains products. They will be made in 1:160.

 

Best regards,

 

The Sales Team

Bachmann Industries, Inc.


Cheeky_ULP, I am sorry for arguing with you so much about the scaling, and it seems that we are both wrong.

If anyone wants to, they can send a more specific email asking about the Tomix size, which is approximately 1:120 scale, otherwise known as TT scale, with N scale wheels on the wagons. I doubt they would answer differently though.


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: Cheeky_ULP on February 19, 2019, 07:51:59 PM
I honestly wasn't meaning to imply I knew they were going to make any specific scale, but just had my hopes up.

The real question is if the person you emailed knew the specifics of the question; like if we asked them about the Thomas range, would they call it HO scale because that's what it's marketed for in the US, or know that it's technically OO scale? It's hard to say and why I'm just holding my tongue until we see the range. It feels almost like they're saying 1:160 because that's what they make in the rest of the N-scale range, and the US overall.

Either way, I curiously anticipate what they do choose, be the email correct or incorrect.


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: TrainFan97 on February 19, 2019, 10:08:59 PM
It will take at least several years for Bachmann to make all the main characters in N Scale. Hopefully, when they get to Toby, they'd make Mavis to go with him, using the same chassis, with Mavis being slightly longer. Gordon and Henry would use the exact same chassis as each other, with Gordon having added trailing wheels, just like their HO counterparts.

I've pretty much given up hope for Bachmann to make Daisy in HO Scale. It may never happen, unless their budget issues get sorted out. Daisy can be possible in N Scale, but it still might take years to get to her. Not having a fixed wheelbase could be problematic for Daisy to have an eye mechanism in HO Scale, but since N Scale is too small for that, she might get made in N Scale, if Bachmann ever does make her. BoCo is a long shot, simply because his last appearance was in Season 5, which is older than most fans of the show today. Kids of this generation wouldn't even know who BoCo is.

As for N Scale Diesel, Bachmann will certainly give him the "grumpy" face on the first try. Since he's the main villain of the show, he might get made sooner rather than later. Diesel was cancelled in Large Scale, but he would be much more successful in N Scale. Unlike his HO counterpart, Diesel might get black siderods in N Scale. After we get Thomas and Percy, James is inevitable for 2020, so we can have the three most iconic characters of the show.


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: TrainMan2001 on February 19, 2019, 10:35:22 PM
It will take at least several years for Bachmann to make all the main characters in N Scale.

At this point, the only thing I'm worried about is that Mattel is going to throw a curveball and cancel the series. Please note that there are no rumors of this that I have heard. I feel like that would be the worst thing they could do right now. The current show seems to be popular enough to keep everything around for at least a few more years, even though I personally don't like it. I just hope everything lasts long enough for Bachmann to do a decent amount of characters in N scale. One question I do have, though: If the show did end suddenly, would Bachmann have to quit selling their Thomas lines or would they be able to keep the rights and still make new products?


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: Falcon the 2nd on February 20, 2019, 12:35:01 PM
On the topic of characters in N Scale, I concur with TrainFan97 that it will take a while to make all the main characters in N Scale, but hopefully Bachmann will play their cards right and if they see an opportunity to reuse pieces like chassis and molds to get characters released quicker, they'll take it. Release Henry alongside Gordon. Release Mavis alongside Toby. Release Paxton alongside Diesel. Get more characters that the consumers want. Maybe I'm being too ambitious (I'm writing this post right before going to be rn) but I think that's what Bachmann can do to get this N Scale train rolling.

Releasing two engines that are capable of sharing a single chassis together is an ideal way to approach character creation. Gordon and Henry's HO models were both released in the same year, so I can see it likely happening again in the N Scale lineup. And if Mavis isn't the perfect partner to release alongside Toby, I pretty much don't know who is.


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: Streak on February 21, 2019, 12:51:20 AM
Releasing two engines that are capable of sharing a single chassis together is an ideal way to approach character creation. Gordon and Henry's HO models were both released in the same year, so I can see it likely happening again in the N Scale lineup. And if Mavis isn't the perfect partner to release alongside Toby, I pretty much don't know who is.

Exactly. Gordon and Henry being released together is a very strong possibility considering they share the same chassis. So is Toby and Mavis. The main argument going for Mavis in Large Scale is that she can reuse Toby's chassis/cowcatcher mold and that would apply to N Scale as well once Toby is eventually made. I have a strong feeling as well that if/when Diesel is released in N Scale, that it's a good move to release Paxton alongside him. They share almost all of the same molds and an N Scale Paxton would probably have a much better face than the HO one considering they won't have to worry about moving eyes.

Of course, if sets of twins are announced for the line (like Bill and Ben, Donald and Douglas, Arry and Bert), they'd both be released side by side obviously. But I also want to say that next year in 2020, there might be a slight possibility we could get a second engine announced alongside James (because let's be honest, the next N Scale engine's gonna be James). If that does happen, I'm calling Edward since both he and James go well together and are around the same size. Since the first three years of HO Scale had at least two new engines being released each, something similar to that could happen with N Scale. Who knows, if N Scale turns out to be easier for Bachmann to produce we could see two N Scale engines every year but I highly doubt that. Either way, the possibilities of this new line have me excited and I'm interested to see where Bachmann takes it.


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: Falcon the 2nd on February 21, 2019, 01:58:54 PM
Releasing two engines that are capable of sharing a single chassis together is an ideal way to approach character creation. Gordon and Henry's HO models were both released in the same year, so I can see it likely happening again in the N Scale lineup. And if Mavis isn't the perfect partner to release alongside Toby, I pretty much don't know who is.

Exactly. Gordon and Henry being released together is a very strong possibility considering they share the same chassis. So is Toby and Mavis. The main argument going for Mavis in Large Scale is that she can reuse Toby's chassis/cowcatcher mold and that would apply to N Scale as well once Toby is eventually made. I have a strong feeling as well that if/when Diesel is released in N Scale, that it's a good move to release Paxton alongside him. They share almost all of the same molds and an N Scale Paxton would probably have a much better face than the HO one considering they won't have to worry about moving eyes.

Of course, if sets of twins are announced for the line (like Bill and Ben, Donald and Douglas, Arry and Bert), they'd both be released side by side obviously. But I also want to say that next year in 2020, there might be a slight possibility we could get a second engine announced alongside James (because let's be honest, the next N Scale engine's gonna be James). If that does happen, I'm calling Edward since both he and James go well together and are around the same size. Since the first three years of HO Scale had at least two new engines being released each, something similar to that could happen with N Scale. Who knows, if N Scale turns out to be easier for Bachmann to produce we could see two N Scale engines every year but I highly doubt that. Either way, the possibilities of this new line have me excited and I'm interested to see where Bachmann takes it.

I actually was thinking about Edward for a brief moment. His similar size with James is a pretty good point to bring up and it helps that their tenders are just about the same shape.

While I'm not sure how soon Donald and Douglas may come, I would hope for Duck to be released shortly afterward since the twins' front wheelbases are somewhat similar to his.

In one way or another, we're all excited for the N Scale lineup and we all hope for it to be a success. HO Scale engines have been announced at a gradually slower rate in recent years, so it's possible for N Scale engine announcements to come our way a bit faster since they could be easier to make. For now, though, the best us fans can do is to keep sharing our ideas/suggestions with Bachmann over the coming months and hope they may listen to us.


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: TrainFan97 on February 21, 2019, 02:49:41 PM
Let's hope Bachmann's taking notes, so they can reuse things like chassis and molds to help build up the N Scale range faster. Gordon and Henry would share the same chassis, with Gordon having added trailing wheels. Mavis and Toby would also share the same chassis, with Mavis being a bit longer. Paxton can easily get released with Diesel. Diesel having a grumpy face on the first try, and Paxton having a more accurate face, since Bachmann doesn't have to worry about eye mechanisms in N Scale.

I heard that the HO versions of the Great Western Van, Fruit and Vegetable Van, and even the Water Tanker look inferior to their Large Scale counterparts, with the two vans using the Ventilated Van tooling, and the Water Tanker being in reversed colors from its Large Scale counterpart. Maybe Bachmann can fix those issues in the N Scale versions.

When James gets announced next year, some N Scale rolling stock that I'm hoping would also get announced in 2020 include the Red Coaches, which are something the range needs sooner rather than later. We could also get a Mail Car for Percy, S.C. Ruffey because nearly every Thomas merchandise line in existence has made him, and possibly a Brake Van to help complete a train. We'll get the Express Coaches when Gordon gets announced within a few years or so. When Bachmann gets to Spencer, they should also make the Special Coach. Emily would also need her coaches as well. As for Toby, N Scale Henrietta should be nowhere near as problematic as Large Scale. Maybe we can even get Hannah.


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: Streak on February 21, 2019, 05:29:06 PM
Let's hope Bachmann's taking notes, so they can reuse things like chassis and molds to help build up the N Scale range faster. Gordon and Henry would share the same chassis, with Gordon having added trailing wheels. Mavis and Toby would also share the same chassis, with Mavis being a bit longer. Paxton can easily get released with Diesel. Diesel having a grumpy face on the first try, and Paxton having a more accurate face, since Bachmann doesn't have to worry about eye mechanisms in N Scale.

I heard that the HO versions of the Great Western Van, Fruit and Vegetable Van, and even the Water Tanker look inferior to their Large Scale counterparts, with the two vans using the Ventilated Van tooling, and the Water Tanker being in reversed colors from its Large Scale counterpart. Maybe Bachmann can fix those issues in the N Scale versions.

When James gets announced next year, some N Scale rolling stock that I'm hoping would also get announced in 2020 include the Red Coaches, which are something the range needs sooner rather than later. We could also get a Mail Car for Percy, S.C. Ruffey because nearly every Thomas merchandise line in existence has made him, and possibly a Brake Van to help complete a train. We'll get the Express Coaches when Gordon gets announced within a few years or so. When Bachmann gets to Spencer, they should also make the Special Coach. Emily would also need her coaches as well. As for Toby, N Scale Henrietta should be nowhere near as problematic as Large Scale. Maybe we can even get Hannah.

Yeah, hopefully they see this thread and take our ideas and suggestions into account when working with the N Scale range. Finding ways to squeeze out more than one engine a year would be very beneficial. I definitely hope when they eventually make Diesel, they'll give him the grumpy face right away. Similarly, I'm sure that when Rosie's made in N Scale, she'll be her current red instead of her old pink. And since the designs will probably be CGI based, Spencer will probably have sleek silver paint. Maybe even by the time they get around to Oliver, Jam Filled may fix his CGI model. Hopefully however the Express Coaches and Spencer's Special Coach will be inspired by the Model Series/HO Scale designs. I'd be fine with CGI style Annie, Clarabel, and Troublesome Trucks but the Express Coach CGI design isn't really that good.

I didn't even consider the possibility of recolor rolling stock like the GW Van or the Water Tanker in this range but I can definitely see them carrying over to N Scale. Sounds fine to me. The more rolling stock the merrier I say. However I hope they'll first release all the important rolling stock items before getting into recolors (except for ones like Red Express Coaches or Hannah).

Currently, these are my predictions for the N Scale line in 2020:

James
Edward (if a second engine is possible)
Mail Van
Red Coach and Red Brake Coach
S.C.Ruffey
Brake Van

As the year goes on, I'll change my predictions accordingly as new information is revealed about the line. To close this post off, I just wanted to say that I've been thinking of characters that can be made in N Scale and I can't really think of many they couldn't. One that they might have trouble with is Stephen considering how small he is. I do hope he is possible though considering they probably won't make him in HO Scale. What characters do you guys think Bachmann may be unable to make in N Scale?


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: TrainMan2001 on February 21, 2019, 06:05:03 PM


 What characters do you guys think Bachmann may be unable to make in N Scale?

I think that Philip, Scruff, Bash and Dash are too small to be made.

On a completely different note, I got an Update email from the Bachmann Sales team about the scaling of the N Scale models. Considering that I never asked them again about the sizing and they gave me an update anyways, I feel like that just shows how good Bachmann's Service is. This is what it said:

Dear ___________,

Sorry, we replied too quickly. The exact scale of this line has not been determined yet.

Best regards,

The Sales Team

Bachmann Industries, Inc.

Read into this what you will. It almost makes me wonder if they will do completely new toolings for everything or not.


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: Chaz on February 21, 2019, 10:13:08 PM
All right, clearly some of you guys are getting a little too carried away with this new range. I am excited for it as much as the next guy but, announcing two engines for that range a year or making other larger engines like Rebecca or Spencer (as brought up in another thread) is a little ďextremeĒ. ;)

Sure, the range started with two engines this year, Thomas and Percy. This is exactly what the large scale range did too, as well as HO while also including James.  But in literally the last 10 years, itís been pretty rare for Bachmann to announce more than one engine per lineup unless if a range had only just recently started or we get a pair of twins.  Heck even when narrow gauge got announced only Skarloey was announced.  Honestly, I think itís almost obvious if not inevitable that James is probably going to be the only new engine announced in 2020.  Any other engine would probably come out a year or so afterwards.  

Size is not going to be anywhere near as much of an issue here like it was in large scale, but it seems that the catalog hasnít even determined prices yet for these models, and more likely than not, pricing will likely be an issue for this range too.  I definitely think Gordon would be a great seller and easily has the best potential out of any larger engine.  At the same time though, Iím not going to deny the fact that like any other scenario, that the tooling cost is something Bachmann would have to really think about before production.  Especially with the manufacturing cost at China as well as licensing from Mattel.  Itís basically why I feel if other engines come out, I expect them to add Emily and Toby as they were both popular in HO and large scale and wouldnít cost as much as Gordon and Henry.  

Honestly Iím just glad that the new N scale range will likely have new toolings rather than taking toolings from Tomix or Graham Farish.  That will likely help boost their sales and really show the true potential that this new range will have.  Just as long as pricing isnít too steep.


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: Streak on February 21, 2019, 10:44:19 PM
Yeah true. we have been a little bit too over the top with saying what Bachmann could do with this range. We have no idea the price or if it's even gonna take off. I guess personally I've just been hyped up by the prospect of this new range that I may have speculated some pretty crazy things. I still stand by my 2020 predictions but I recognize that I shouldn't get so hyped for something either years and years away or something that may not even happen at all.  :P


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: TrainMan2001 on March 02, 2019, 02:54:31 PM
I've been looking back through the old threads and catalogs recently, and there are a few things I noticed in regards to how quickly Bachmann has been able to get new ranges out. When the Large Scale range was announced in 2009, there were no pictures for the models, but they had painted samples of at least Thomas by July. They were also able to release the entire range by December 2009. For the Narrow Gauge range in 2015, there were again no pictures for Skarloey (a.k.a. the only model Bachmann were making themselves at the time). By the NMRA train show 2015, they had an engineering sample on display (August 28, 2015 - Thanks Chaz for providing the record). The official picture was uploaded to the site on December 9, 2015 (thanks Cheeky_ULP for the record) with Skarloey coming into stock the same day. Another thing I have noticed with the large scale range is that all engines, with the exception of James, have been released within the year they were announced. I believe one thing that could possibly have to do with this (in the case of Emily and Toby, at least) is that they were able to just scale up the HO models and make the small changes for details to stand out better. It seems like they can release things fairly quickly when they only need to be resized. I think the reason James took longer was because he had several differences compared to the HO model. Another thing that I noticed is that the models seem to take the longest when it is being completely designed for a first release. Examples of this are Oliver, Rheneas, Rosie, Duck, Donald, Douglas, and Rusty. I know that we are in different economic times, but do you guys think it would be possible for the N Scale range to have at least a couple of engineering samples on display at the NMRA Train Show in July?


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: Chaz on March 05, 2019, 04:12:12 AM
Itís a little hard to predict how production is going to go since things have been a lot slower as of late.  I think that while we could have at least unpainted engineering samples of at least Thomas and maybe the rolling stock maybe at some point this year, it all really depends on what stage the models are at in terms of production.  Itís a little hard to speculate on engineering samples or prototypes until Bachmann reveals any info to the public via shows or posts on the forum.  Iím just hoping that the first lineup of the new N scale range wonít take over two years to be released similar to the case of Oliver and now Rusty who still isnít out yet or hasnít been seen on any of Bachmannís public displays.


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: Zekeism on March 05, 2019, 03:36:20 PM
If I was Bachmann, this would be my yearly plan..
2020: James, Red Express Coaches and Bertie
2021: Gordon, Green Express Coaches
2022: Emily, Emily's Coaches and Harold
2023: Toby, Henrietta, Milk Tanker
2024: Henry, Log Flatbed, Break Van and Terence
2025: Edward, Mail Coach, Tar Tanker
2026: Duck, Red Branch Line Coaches and Trevor
2027: Diesel, Sodor Fuel Tanker, Troublesome Truck #3
2028: Donald, Douglas, Breakdown Train, Spiteful Breakvan and Bulstrode
2029: Mavis, Quarry Wagons (2 different loads)
2020: Oliver, S C Ruffey, Toad and Bulgy
2021: Spencer, Spencer's Coach
2022: Salty, Troublesome Truck #4, Ventilated Van and Cranky


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: plas man on March 05, 2019, 04:26:41 PM
well you guys - with the amount of interest shown in this thread Bachmann would be silly not to manufacture Thomas in N scale . it would be a top seller - the only contender is Tomix and they are hard to get even when new and largely over scale .

my request is for a walking talking full DCC  ''Sir Topem Hat'' .


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: Chaz on March 05, 2019, 10:14:15 PM
I don't know about Sir Topham Hatt being in DCC... but I do want to bring up the engines eventually being released in DCC and sound at some point. 

My N scale club runs DCC only, so when I do get these models, I will have to add DCC to Thomas and Percy already.  Personally, I think if Bachmann really wants the sales for these to take off, they should announce DCC/sound models sooner rather than later so fans have the option to go down that route, rather than just to buy these models and add DCC to these models themselves, only to discover a few years later that DCC and sound alternatives would eventually become available.  I feel Bachmann probably would have had better overall sales with the DCC sound models in large scale if that were the case, especially with how terrific the sound quality of the models turned out on them compared to the HO analog Thomas model. 


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: TerencetheTractor525 on April 23, 2019, 11:30:45 PM
Lately, I've been thinking more deeply about Bachmann's newly announced N Scale Thomas line, and I have to admit that the idea of it has really grown on me. Also, just today, I came across this image, showcasing the Tomix Thomas in front of a 1:148 N Scale British Express Coach and a 1:148 N Scale British Loco (Oliver's basis) in front of the Tomix Thomas Express Coach.

(http://i68.tinypic.com/2ugie4w.jpg)

After looking at this image, I think that making the new Bachmann line in scale with the standard 1:148 British N Scale (smaller than Tomix) would be the smarter move as there is currently much more that is offered through that than there is in the Tomix range. Moreover, this would make sense since Bachmann is now offering their entire Thomas range in the UK, so UK modelers will want to have Thomas models that are in scale with their other British products. What are your thoughts? And for those who have already stated their preference, does this image change it?

Lastly, here is the link to the forum where I found the image: http://www.jnsforum.com/community/topic/15419-new-n-gauge-thomas-and-friends-by-bachmann-us/


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: TrainMan2001 on April 23, 2019, 11:38:21 PM
This actually makes me more hopeful that they will be made in 1:148. It would make more sense, at least.


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: Rodimus Supreme on April 25, 2019, 03:09:56 PM
well you guys - with the amount of interest shown in this thread Bachmann would be silly not to manufacture Thomas in N scale. it would be a top seller - the only contender is Tomix and they are hard to get even when new and largely over scale .

my request is for a walking talking full DCC  ''Sir Topem Hat'' .
ÖThis sounds like youíve somehow totally overlooked that Bachmann announced an N Scale Thomas and Friends line this year.

And that Sir Topham Hatt idea is absurd, TBH.


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: Plow_Bender on April 25, 2019, 05:53:55 PM
And that Sir Topham Hatt idea is absurd, TBH.

Absurd, yes... impossible, no...

Introducing Bachmann Sir Topham Hatt w/ DCC sound!  :D

(http://i67.tinypic.com/339rgnl.jpg)(http://i63.tinypic.com/eqxctk.jpg)

The sound module is also available separately and can easily be plugged into the already existing Bachmann Sir Topham Hatt figure and features 10 phrases and realistic sounds such as "You have caused confusion and delay." and "It's no good arguing with policemen."  Can be operated on both digital and/or analog systems.  Sir Topham Hatt w/ DCC Sound is $179 and the module itself is $80.  Both are expected to start shipping Fall of 2019.  Preorder yours now! ;D

Clearly this is why I don't have real friends...  ::)  Anyways, hope you all a good laugh. ;)

-Rusty


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: Angelob6660 on April 25, 2019, 08:53:57 PM
I had a good laugh. It was very funny, good job.


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: Chaz on April 27, 2019, 12:25:04 AM
After looking at this image, I think that making the new Bachmann line in scale with the standard 1:148 British N Scale (smaller than Tomix) would be the smarter move as there is currently much more that is offered through that than there is in the Tomix range. Moreover, this would make sense since Bachmann is now offering their entire Thomas range in the UK, so UK modelers will want to have Thomas models that are in scale with their other British products. What are your thoughts? And for those who have already stated their preference, does this image change it?

My two cents on the scaling:

Personally, I donít think that Bachmann Trains will have the new N scale models be the same size as US and UK standard N scale. I donít even think that they will be matching Tomix either. If anything, I expect Bachmann to go down the same road as they did with large scale and create a generic ďThomas and friends scaleĒ like they did with large scale.  They did this with large scale because most of their large scale equipment (non-Thomas) that Bachmann Trains offers are mostly narrow gauge and they wanted to go with something that would not only be larger and more kid-friendly but they wanted to make it stand out more compared to their American large scale offerings.

With N scale, I think the reason that they will likely go with a different scale is, again, size.  They want to introduce people into the hobby of model trains, and the Thomas ranges have done an amazing job at being a stepping stone for getting people in the hobby, including the Skarloey range.  Because Thomas has proven to be great at doing this, (especially for children), they want to offer models that are sturdy as well as something that will be larger than standard N scale products to allow smaller hands to handle them, all while giving them a more toy like feel like the HO and large scale models do.  Tomix clearly did the same thing hence their larger size.  I canít imagine Bachmann will match Tomix size perfectly, but I imagine it would roughly come fairly close to the large size that those models are.

I agree that it may be a turn off for some, but at the same time Tomix took the exact same gamble and that clearly paid off in its own way without matching UK or even Japanese N scale products.  Iím thinking this will be no different in the case of Bachmannís new range.  Sadly we wonít have an actual answer for a year from now once the models are released but as long as these models are basically the large scale models scaled down to N like I have been hoping, then I donít see why the sales for these wouldnít take off.


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: plas man on April 27, 2019, 05:27:27 PM
are Tomix Thomas still being manufactured or has Bachmann bought them out ?
and are going to re-introduce the range in big N scale ?


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: STL on April 27, 2019, 07:13:57 PM
Not much is known other than at least the toolings will be unveiled sometime in 2020 with the range launching no sooner than 2020. it seems unlikely at this point that it'll be the Tomix range re-packaged, though it is a possibility it seems very slim at this point. As such, the scale is unknown, whether it'll follow the the UK's N scale or continue with the larger Tomix scale. Hopefully, and if they're smart, they'll be making them to the UK N scale scale. Bachmann haven't "bought out" Tomix, and in the seemingly high unlikely chance it is just the Tomix models, it'll more than likely be a deal between the 2 companies, a deal which hasn't been announced and coupled with what info Bachmann has given thus far, it seems almost certain that the Bachmann N range will be newly tooled at the least.


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: Chaz on April 27, 2019, 09:30:32 PM
If it was the Tomix engines/stock re-packaged, we would have seen pictures of them already in the catalog and the models would already have prices listed and would be coming out a lot sooner.

Also because Bachmann announced a new N scale range for Thomas they would have had to acquire a license to produce these models and sell them in specific countries where there are no other manufactures producing the models in said scale for that market.  Tomix hasnít added anything with their new range since 2017, so I would assume that Bachmann bought the license to sell N scale models since Tomix hasnít done anything since then.  Itís also entirely possible that Bachmann has the license to sell them in most locations except Japan since that seems to be the only location where the new Tomix range was launched, not making it out to the UK or US.


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: STL on April 28, 2019, 03:40:43 PM
Basically, exactly the above.


Title: Re: N Scale Bachmann Thomas
Post by: JLK2707 on May 09, 2019, 09:10:01 AM
Yeah.