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Title: 0-6-0 smoke ??
Post by: mjb on October 07, 2018, 06:45:16 PM
Hey guys, a quick question, just purchased a Jingle Bell  Express for under the Christmas tree this year. The parts breakdown sheet that came with the set indicates a USRA 0-6-0 locomotive "with smoke" ..and shows the smoke unit #2951. There is no advertising on the box that this is a smoke producing locomotive and there was no smoke liquid included with the set. So my question is ... is this really a smoke producing locomotive or did i just get the wrong parts breakdown sheet in the set.  Thanks for any help....Mark
Title: Re: 0-6-0 smoke ??
Post by: Len on October 07, 2018, 07:45:08 PM
No smoke. It's the same loco as the 0-6-0/2-6-0/2-6-2 sold seperately with smoke, so they included the standard parts breakdown. Since it's a seasonal set, it's not worth the trouble to print a seperate parts list.

I think you'll find the consensus around here is in HO the residue from smoke units causes more problems than it's worth. But if you really want smoke, you can order the smoke unit from the Bachmann parts Dept.:
https://estore.bachmanntrains.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=68_212&products_id=1706&zenid=bf9bj1be2bir0id7ftnc3jm3d3

Len
Title: Re: 0-6-0 smoke ??
Post by: mjb on October 07, 2018, 10:07:28 PM
Thanks for the quick reply & info... I think I'll just leave it as it is. Thanks again..... Mark
Title: Re: 0-6-0 smoke ??
Post by: infamouselijah on October 09, 2018, 05:37:28 PM
My 2-6-2 has smoke equipped, and I can't exactly turn it off when the power is on (to my knowledge). It often gets quite hot when I run it for more than 5 to 6 minutes. Is this something I should keep an eye on, and how can I remove the smoke generator or shut it off?
Title: Re: 0-6-0 smoke ??
Post by: Len on October 09, 2018, 05:53:49 PM
You need to remove the loco body to access the smoke unit and disconnect it.

Len
Title: Re: 0-6-0 smoke ??
Post by: rich1998 on October 09, 2018, 05:56:21 PM
Looking at the loco diagram, the motor and smoke unit gets power from each frame half if I see it correctly.
I use to have a couple 0-6-0's without smoke.
Split the frames. Remove the smoke unit. Pay attention to all parts.
I have split the frame halves on a Plymouth 0-6-0 to isolate the motor for DCC so I know it is not to bad a deal. All part of model railroading.

Edit
Below is a diagram. Not sure it is the one you have. I have seen a different looking smoke unit in the psrts list. It might be just a wire connection.
https://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/dwg/dwgs/50701.pdf

https://estore.bachmanntrains.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=68_155&products_id=1706&zenid=85th7gj8133987qt1e76hg30a3

Rich
Title: Re: 0-6-0 smoke ??
Post by: rich1998 on October 09, 2018, 06:20:50 PM
If it is just a wire connection, you could put a mall spst switch in the cab.

Rich
Title: Re: 0-6-0 smoke ??
Post by: bbmiroku on October 09, 2018, 06:41:34 PM
If the smoke unit is a coil of wire in a plastic bin, just take a pair of pliers and yank the coil out.
Title: Re: 0-6-0 smoke ??
Post by: Len on October 09, 2018, 08:29:05 PM
If he's gotten the body off to access the smoke unit, there's no need to yank the coil out. The entire smoke unit just lifts out after being disconnected.

Len
Title: Re: 0-6-0 smoke ??
Post by: infamouselijah on October 09, 2018, 08:53:54 PM
Rich, the first diagram you posted is the one I have, and I still have the paper copy that came with the loco as well. I have tried removing the shell multiple times, but I always get stuck once I get the bottom. I haven't ever really been able to understand those diagrams. How exactly (in simplified form) do I remove the shell?
Title: Re: 0-6-0 smoke ??
Post by: rich1998 on October 09, 2018, 09:36:49 PM
It has been at least ten years.
Jonathan should be back soon. He has some of these locos.
You could also search the HO forum. He has answered someone before about opening this loco.

Rich
Title: Re: 0-6-0 smoke ??
Post by: jonathan on October 10, 2018, 07:13:07 AM
Yes indeed.  These shells are tough to remove the firs time.  They are really stuck tight. If you run a search in the HO section, using my name (jonathan), and 0-6-0, you should get a number of hits.  I posted lots of photos on disassembling this loco.

The trick is the tabs that are located just to the upper rear of the steam cylinders.  They really hold the shell on well.  It's tough to spread the shell around those tabs.  IIRC there is on screw below the cab to remove.  I'll take a look when I can.

The smoke unit is easy to pull out.  However, I took out the needle/wire arrangement and filled the container with lead. 

Regards,

Jonathan
Title: Re: 0-6-0 smoke ??
Post by: Trainman203 on October 10, 2018, 08:07:32 AM
I've said this before but I'll say it again. 

Model railroader A:  "Does your engine have a smoke unit?"
Model railroader B: "No, why?"

😳😲😱😱😱😂😂😂
Title: Re: 0-6-0 smoke ??
Post by: Hunt on October 10, 2018, 09:48:33 PM
 Click Here  (https://youtu.be/OtW8Gx_WxL4?t=1m50s) to view a segment of a Bachmann video, which includes an 0-6-0 locomotive  -- If your locomotive has tabs, the video shows how to release the shell from them.
Title: Re: 0-6-0 smoke ??
Post by: infamouselijah on October 11, 2018, 07:49:02 AM
Thanks, finally managed to remove that pesky smoke unit. I was worried it might melt the front of my loco...
Title: Re: 0-6-0 smoke ??
Post by: rich1998 on October 11, 2018, 06:21:32 PM
In the different forums I have been in, the units usually just burn out.

Rich
Title: Re: 0-6-0 smoke ??
Post by: infamouselijah on October 11, 2018, 06:49:02 PM
I saw a post a while ago where someone reported their 2-6-2 smokestack melting after 10 to 20 minutes of constant run time. Naturally, I checked mine, and it got quite hot, so I set out to remove the generator.
Title: Re: 0-6-0 smoke ??
Post by: bbmiroku on October 11, 2018, 10:37:02 PM
Unless it catches fire, it most likely won't melt your train's face off.  But I've been wrong before.
Title: Re: 0-6-0 smoke ??
Post by: Len on October 12, 2018, 12:08:29 AM
In the 15 years my repair shop was open I had many an 0-6-0/2-6-0/2-6-2 w/smoke come in with sagged boilers from overheating smoke units. Not much I could do for them except remove the smoke unit and point them to the Bachmann parts page to order a new shell.

Len
Title: Re: 0-6-0 smoke ??
Post by: Joe323 on October 12, 2018, 07:38:48 AM
The one that I have has an on off switch in the cab I just shut it off.