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Title: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: TerencetheTractor525 on February 16, 2019, 10:13:37 AM
While seeing that many people are desperate to start a new predictions thread on the Bachmann 2020 Thomas range, and that next year is a very special year for Thomas (Thomas' 75th Anniversary), I thought that it would not hurt to start one now. I'm just going to start with a general list of what I would like, and expect to see.

HO Scale
Stepney, Daisy, or LBSC Thomas
Troublesome Truck #6
Flat Wagon with a new load (paint drums, oil drums, pipes, or crates)
Resin Buildings: https://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/board/index.php/topic,34707.0.html

Narrow Gauge
Peter Sam

N Scale
James
Tankers
Spiteful Brake Van

Large Scale
LBSC Thomas
Red Circus Van
Blue Circus Van


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: mulfred-100 on February 16, 2019, 11:14:13 AM
I'll do what I'd like to see then what i expect to see.

HO scale

Daisy, Stepney or flying Scotsman
I think one of these three will sell really well and be very nice for the 75th especially Daisy or Scotsman.
Original Thomas.

Troublesome truck 6
Flatbead with load
Wagon with load

Resin buildings

Narrow gauge

Peter sam
Breakvan

large scale

Original Thomas
Verious recolours of wagons
Possible new troublesome truck.

N scale

James
Tankers
Scruffy
Breakvan

N scale thomas set

Now this is what I'm expecting

HO scale

Sidney
Updated celebration thomas (possibly with sound)

Various recolours for tankers (toffee, choclate syrup)
Possibly troublesome truck 6
Mining wagon (red)

narrow guage
Breakvan
Maybe a new engine depending on other lines

Large scale
Celebration Thomas

N scale
James
Scruffy



Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: TrainFan97 on February 16, 2019, 11:31:56 AM
Here's my 2020 predictions.

HO Scale:
Sidney
Green Thomas (LBSC)
Explosives Van
Troublesome Truck #6
Orange Coach
Red Express Coaches (reintroduction)

Narrow Gauge:

Peter Sam
Brake Van

N Scale:
James
Red Coach
Red Brake Coach
S.C. Ruffey
Brake Van

Large Scale:
Celebration Thomas


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: douglas on February 16, 2019, 12:43:43 PM
Woof. A little early, don't you think, boyos? We're only another ~365 days out from the official reveals.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Cheeky_ULP on February 16, 2019, 12:50:31 PM
Woof. A little early, don't you think, boyos? We're only another ~365 days out from the official reveals.
It gives Bachmann a pretty good idea of what products people want.

Of course to me, it's not like too much is gonna change in terms of wishlists. We're still gonna wish for engines like Stepney and Daisy, but still expect engines like LBSC Thomas or Sidney. Only difference now is N scale items will be added to said wishlists.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: TrainshockeylifE on February 16, 2019, 12:52:58 PM
Bachmann doesnít listen to what we want, they make their decisions off of what Mattel wants and what fits their budgets.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Cheeky_ULP on February 16, 2019, 12:57:03 PM
Bachmann doesnít listen to what we want, they make their decisions off of what Mattel wants and what fits their budgets.
If that was the case they would've never made items like the Spiteful Brakevan, Duck, or Skarloey. They listen to consumers because consumers buy their product. There is also a difference between listening and actually doing. They do listen to what we request, but Bachmann also does what is the most reasonable for them to manufacture, and they are always trying to balance the best of both worlds within their budget. If they don't make items people want, nobody will buy them. What Mattel does is approve or deny product propositions Bachmann thinks of doing, and then approves or denies designs as they go along the development line. Sometimes this can be a factor as to why items take longer to make.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Chaz on February 16, 2019, 01:25:15 PM
2020 thread already?  Sure, why not.

Iím leaving out large scale and even HO and resin buildings after how this yearĎs announcements turned out for the time being.  Only just going to share my thoughts on N scale and narrow gauge.

For N scale, do I even need to state who the next engine is inevitably going to be?

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ttte/images/f/f4/JamesCGIPromo3.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140131065725)
Itís obvious, literally one of the most popular well-known and iconic characters throughout the whole franchise since the very beginning. If they announce a new engine, it is going to be James. At this point itís more of a matter of who they will announce after James, and not after Thomas and Percy.  

After James I am willing to place bets on either Emily, Toby, or even Diesel.  Of course itís really hard to avoid the low-hanging fruit that if Bachmann wants to make larger engines, Gordon in particular would be ridiculously popular for the range.  But Iím not going to hold my breath on that one quite yet simply due to budget reasons.

For rolling stock I could see them going for either tankers, box/vent vans, or brake vans as well as other wagon recolors.  S.C. Ruffey in particular will probably find his way into the range too seeing as how almost every Thomas range has made a model of him at some point, even Tomix.

Now for narrow gauge.  My thoughts are literally the same as before which is Peter Sam and brake vans, so to save time, here are links to both of my in-depth posts for these two:

Peter Sam:
https://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/board/index.php/topic,34526.msg254930.html#msg254930

Narrow gauge brake vans:
https://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/board/index.php/topic,34526.msg254654.html#msg254654

Hopefully when Rusty and the coaches are released this year as Peter Sam and the brake vans will find their way into the 2020 lineup as they are the most popular requests for the next narrow gauge engine and rolling stock respectively.  


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: SeanrailAnimations on February 16, 2019, 01:37:49 PM
Woof. A little early, don't you think, boyos? We're only another ~365 days out from the official reveals.
Bit early for my liking too, but anyway, here are my 2020 suggestions:

HO:

Engines
Daisy
Reintroduced Salty
Sidney
Stanley
Hiro

Rolling Stock
Troublesome Truck #6
Explosives Van
Toffee Tanker
Chocolate Syrup Tanker
CGI Milk and Fuel Tankers
Updated Henrietta with Face
Hannah

Vehicles
Trevor
Kevin

Buildings
Sodor Steamworks
Motorised Watermill
Ffarquhar Station

OO9

Engines
Victor
Peter Sam or Sir Handel
Luke

Rolling Stock
NG Brakevans
BLue Mountain Quarry Wagons


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: really called Thomas on February 16, 2019, 02:24:17 PM
[dream]

N Scale

It would be awesome if Bachmann continued the inital announcement trend of 2 loco and 4 pieces of rolling stock. So for 2020:

James
Edward

Red Express Composite Coach
Red Express Brake Coach
A Tanker (Milk, Sodor Fuel or Tar)
Normal Brakevan

In futures years ideally 1 tender/long engine and 1 small engine along with 2 coaches and 2 goods wagons. For example:

Gordon/Duck, Green Express Composite Coach/Green Express Brake Coach/Tar Tanker/Troublesome van
Henry/Oliver, Red Branchline Coach/Red Branchline Brake Coach/Toad/Sodor Fuel Tanker
Daisy/Toby, Henrietta/Sodor Mail Coach/SC Ruffey/Troublesome Tanker

Of course I would not object to more being made each year  ;D

[/dream]


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Streak on February 16, 2019, 02:49:39 PM
Well, since everyone is doing it, I'll post my stuff on what Bachmann could make in 2020. Keep in mine, these are simply suggestions for what Bachmann could possibly make as it's way too early to make concrete realistic predictions for something literally a year away.

HO Scale-

Daisy
Stepney
Sidney
Stanley
Ryan/Porter/Samson
Philip/Nia/Rebecca (could possibly happen, even though many don't want them. I do, but yeah)
Reintroduced Salty
LBSC Green Thomas/Black James

Troublesome Truck #6 (Van or Tanker)
Explosives Van
Brown Mail Van
Flatbed w/ New Load (Paint Drums, Oil Drums, Pipes, etc)
Bradford
Toffee Tanker/Chocolate Syrup Tanker
Jam Tanker/Dieselworks Tanker
Updated Henrietta w/ Face
Hannah
Dexter

Vehicles-

Trevor

Narrow Gauge-

Peter Sam/Sir Handel
Duncan

NG Brake Vans (Red, Blue, and Brown)
Gunpowder D-Fusit Wagons
BMQ Wagons

Large Scale-

James/Emily/Toby w/ DCC Sound
Rosie
Mavis
Edward
Philip
Diesel (not likely but I'd say still possible)
LBSC Thomas

Troublesome Truck #3
Red Coaches
Henrietta
Hannah
Jam Tankers/Dieselworks Tanker/Sodor Diesel Co. Tanker

N Scale-

James
Edward

Red Coaches
S.C.Ruffey
Tankers (Fuel, Oil, etc)
Brake Van/Spiteful Brake Van

Again, these are all just suggestions. I doubt that more than one sixth of this list will be apart of Bachmann's 2020 announcements unless Bachmann gets a BIG boost in their budget between now and 2020 which seems unlikely. I just feel like these are the ideas I can think of that are at least possible for 2020.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: TrainFan97 on February 16, 2019, 03:54:21 PM
@Streak, we don't want Bachmann to make Nia, Rebecca, or Philip in HO Scale, but I know you do have very unpopular opinions regarding the show's current direction. Given the fact that Nia and Rebecca are main characters now, they actually might get made eventually, if Bachmann has the budget to do so.

Now that Red Rosie is being made, all eyes for recolors will be on LBSC Thomas and/or Sidney for HO Scale. Two years after Paxton was announced, Sidney still remains pushed aside. If we can't get new toolings for budget reasons, then 2020 should be his year. Because of the 75th Anniversary, two recolors for HO Scale are not too out of the question. It can have one being Sidney, and the other being Green Thomas. If we can't get Sidney because of problems with his face, then another possibility would be Black James. Any of these three recolors, which include Sidney, Green Thomas, and Black James would all be welcomed with open arms. When we eventually do get Green Thomas and Black James, we can better recreate scenes from The Adventure Begins.

The Special edition for the 70th was Celebration Thomas. The special for the 75th should be HO Scale Green Thomas, with his LBSC livery. I'm sure that version of Thomas will sell better.

Rosie is the third engine in HO Scale to get a variation. The second was Diesel who got a Grumpy version. Thomas was the first, getting a sound-fitted model, then a Celebration version. James would have to be the fourth, being made in his black livery.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Streak on February 16, 2019, 04:55:55 PM
@Streak, we don't want Bachmann to make Nia, Rebecca, or Philip in HO Scale, but I know you do have very unpopular opinions regarding the show's current direction. Given the fact that Nia and Rebecca are main characters now, they actually might get made eventually, if Bachmann has the budget to do so.

Now that Red Rosie is being made, all eyes for recolors will be on LBSC Thomas and/or Sidney for HO Scale. Two years after Paxton was announced, Sidney still remains pushed aside. If we can't get new toolings for budget reasons, then 2020 should be his year. Because of the 75th Anniversary, two recolors for HO Scale are not too out of the question. It can have one being Sidney, and the other being Green Thomas. If we can't get Sidney because of problems with his face, then another possibility would be Black James. Any of these three recolors, which include Sidney, Green Thomas, and Black James would all be welcomed with open arms. When we eventually do get Green Thomas and Black James, we can better recreate scenes from The Adventure Begins.

The Special edition for the 70th was Celebration Thomas. The special for the 75th should be HO Scale Green Thomas, with his LBSC livery. I'm sure that version of Thomas will sell better.

Rosie is the third engine in HO Scale to get a variation. The second was Diesel who got a Grumpy version. Thomas was the first, getting a sound-fitted model, then a Celebration version. James would have to be the fourth, being made in his black livery.

It's not even the fact that I'm neutral about the current show (while some changes I like, it does have very unnecessary and unwelcome changes like the shorter runtime), it's that I just genuinely like Philip, Nia, and Rebecca as characters. I can see why some people may not like Philip but most of the hate towards Nia and Rebecca I see is simply because they replaced Henry and Edward and not because they're actually "bad" characters. But this is not a discussion I want to get into, especially since this isn't the Everything Thomas thread.

I definitely think that unless the weird budget issues that Bachmann have been having are fixed sometime this year, it'll be safe to expect recolors like Green Thomas, Black James, and possibly Sidney. It would be great to get a new engine like Stepney, Daisy, Ryan, or Stanley but until Bachmann gets back on their feet, we shouldn't really expect much from the HO Scale line in 2020.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: TrainFan97 on February 16, 2019, 05:28:00 PM
@Streak, it's all good.

Regarding HO Scale, it's best to realistically expect recolors like Green Thomas, Black James, and possibly Sidney like you said, since we know that Bachmann's having budget problems. There actually is a demand for recolors like those three engines, which Bachmann can easily make with existing toolings. Green Thomas, Black James, and Sidney are the best three options for recolors left in HO Scale, now that Red Rosie is being made.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: JLK2707 on February 16, 2019, 07:20:04 PM
I agree. I would just love to get LBSC Thomas, Black James and Sidney next year for HO scale. I would also just love to get the explosives van, chocolate syrup tanker and toffee tanker in HO Scale too.

Also, speaking of the explosives van, has anybody made their own version of it in HO scale?

But here are my expectations for 2020:

HO Scale

LBSC Thomas
Black James
Sidney
Reintroduced Salty
Explosives van
Chocolate syrup tanker
Toffee tanker
Hannah
McCollís cattle van (probably just wishful thinking)
Troublesome truck 6
Tar tanker wagon
Resin buildings

Narrow gauge

Sir handel
Peter sam
Duncan
Brake van

N Scale

James
Gordon
Express coaches
Brake van
Tankers

Large scale

LBSC Thomas
Black James
Henrietta
Red branchline coaches
Edward
Diesel (probably just wishful thinking)

Also, has anybody made a 3D printed version of Sidneyís face which can be used for HO scale?


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: TrainshockeylifE on February 16, 2019, 08:54:58 PM
Maybe they wonít make two n scale and narrow gauge announcements a year. Maybe they will just do n scale one year, then narrow gauge the other and keep flipping each year?


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: TrainFan97 on February 17, 2019, 01:52:59 AM
It would be nice if somebody made a 3D printed Sidney face, so someone can make him as a modelling project, and show how he'd look if Bachmann made him.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Chaz on February 17, 2019, 05:05:01 AM
Personally, I think the HO range is done with new toolings for the time being.  If anything I expect Sidney to happen probably next year or a green Thomas and black James.  Heck, I even think Salty probably has a chance of making a comeback next year too as the next ďnewĒ HO engine announcement.  Itís sad that this is pretty much what everyoneís expectations of HO came to after Grumpy Diesel and Red Rosie.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: TerencetheTractor525 on February 17, 2019, 11:20:57 AM
These are all definitely fair points, but considering that next year is Thomas' 75th Anniversary, I do hope that Bachmann can at least make one more HO engine with a new tooling that fans have been screaming for. Stepney and Daisy are the most ideal candidates for sure. Both are classic characters that would close off the classic group of engines in a unique way. Afterwards, I would be perfectly fine with Bachmann making characters such as Sidney, making existing engines with different facial expressions, or not making anymore new HO engines altogether, since most of their attention would go to narrow gauge and the new n scale line.

But can our dear licencor agree to this? I truly hope so.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: TrainFan97 on February 17, 2019, 02:36:01 PM
I can see why Large Scale looks bleak, due to considerably inferior sales compared to HO. Very few people actually have the budget for Large Scale, and even Bachmann's competitors are struggling with Large Scale, while HO Scale is small, more affordable, and easy to collect, but the budget for new toolings in HO Scale has really been a problem lately for Bachmann. Rosie remains the last new tooling for HO Scale, who was first announced in 2016. It's been three years without another new tooling getting announced. It's safe to say that new HO Scale toolings are done, at least for now. Next year is the 75th Anniversary, and maybe a new tooling can be possible, but I wouldn't bet on it. I won't get my hopes up.

I don't think the N Scale line is going to replace HO Scale. As long as the HO models continue to sell, and Bachmann still makes money off of them, the HO range shouldn't be going anywhere. The HO and N ranges should definitely coexist. As for Narrow Gauge, Rusty and the Coaches were taking longer than expected, so it should be the reason nothing was announced. Those models should definitely get released this year for sure.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: mulfred-100 on February 17, 2019, 03:38:10 PM
I can see why Large Scale looks bleak, due to considerably inferior sales compared to HO. Very few people actually have the budget for Large Scale, and even Bachmann's competitors are struggling with Large Scale, while HO Scale is small, more affordable, and easy to collect, but the budget for new toolings in HO Scale has really been a problem lately for Bachmann. Rosie remains the last new tooling for HO Scale, who was first announced in 2016. It's been three years without another new tooling getting announced. It's safe to say that new HO Scale toolings are done, at least for now. Next year is the 75th Anniversary, and maybe a new tooling can be possible, but I wouldn't bet on it. I won't get my hopes up.

I don't think the N Scale line is going to replace HO Scale. As long as the HO models continue to sell, and Bachmann still makes money off of them, the HO range shouldn't be going anywhere. The HO and N ranges should definitely coexist. As for Narrow Gauge, Rusty and the Coaches were taking longer than expected, so it should be the reason nothing was announced. Those models should definitely get released this year for sure.

Well in terms of Rusty and the coaches there is a man who supplies Bachmann Thomas in the UK and he has told me via the Thomas modeling group that his supplier expects rusty and the coaches to be released around April 30th. Now this isn't 100% accurate and things can and normally do change but i can safely asume they will be out this year.
As for large scale theres still the tankers to be released off last year. Yeah i think it is dwindling but i don't think it will end just yet. If we get no new announcements for next year then I'd start worrying. I personally hope it doesn't as I've just started collecting large scale.
HO always a safe bet and N Scale we can't really comment on as there's so much we have yet to find out. How good it is. Pricing ect. For all we know these new N Scale models might not be as good as tomix so might fall flat. Might be amazing but until theres these facts about price and product quality ect we don't know. Everyone seems to be running with this amazing idea of a new line and all that without even seeing a product yet.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: TrainMan2001 on February 17, 2019, 06:01:06 PM
The only thing I am worried about for the N Scale range is the size. I am really hoping that they will be in scale with typical British N Scale models. The Tomix models are oversized to the point that they are as big as Skarloey and Rheneas, the only exception being the height. If Bachmann made the N scale models like Tomix did, they would just be shooting themselves in the foot. None of the products they are currently releasing would be different than what Tomix did, give or take a few details and Troublesome Truck #2. I personally hope that they scale them with British N Scale just so they could be putting something different out compared to what's already been done.

I have also been looking around at the types of wagons available from Graham Farish. There are several that could be used that would follow the HO Scale line, which is what the large scale range did for a few years. This would also mean that Bachmann wouldn't have to make everything with new toolings like they would if they followed the Tomix Scale, which would make it easier for Bachmann to release new items.

One thing Bachmann could do that would be better than Tomix is something they did with Rheneas: separately fitted handrails. They could also do the lamp irons and brake pipes, which are features that the Graham Farish models have, so they wouldn't be impossible. I really hope that Bachmann can make these models a breath of fresh air, rather than being redundant until they can please fans who own Tomix's limited range.

One thing I'd like to say to those who want them to be scaled like Tomix models. Obviously Bachmann is going to do the main characters first. If they did make the models just like Tomix, they would be releasing the same things for several years before they can actually do something new that people who own the Tomix models would want to buy. Obviously, this would hurt sales. Although people would say that going the other way would hurt sales, too, it's not like Trackmaster, where they released every character, then pulled a switch so that everyone would have to buy everything again. The Tomix models have not been on sale in the US for a long time (if they ever were). With the Trackmaster models, both types ended up on shelves with each other for a long time, which helped people see just how bad the new Trackmaster Stuff is. Besides, the majority of Tomix stuff has been discontinued for a long time, so a lot of people wouldn't even have what Tomix made, which, therefore, brings no reason for Bachmann to release them to the dreadfully oversized scale. I really hope Bachmann chooses the way that would make more sense for them in the long run. Anyways, what are your thoughts?


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Cheeky_ULP on February 17, 2019, 06:27:17 PM
The Tomix equipment is in scale with Japanese N scale (1∶150) rolling stock, which is metre gauge rather than standard gauge. British N scale (1∶148) is to standard gauge, and thus a different scale entirely.

Personally, I hold the opposite opinion; not scaling them to Tomix would be shooting themselves in the foot, as it means the two ranges would look inconsistent. Think of how the Bachmann and Hornby ranges were always bought together and mixed because they were the same scale. Tomix and Bachmann could benefit from the same ordeal. In the next few years, if Bachmann makes tankers, vent vans, a brake van, etc. they would all be compatible with the Tomix range. There is the advantage of being in-scale with British N scale, but as far as we know, the range isn't even being sold in the UK yet, and is probably being designed with American N scale layouts in mind. It's something we'll hopefully have answers to soon.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: TrainMan2001 on February 17, 2019, 06:44:15 PM
I am correct in saying the British N scale would be larger (slightly) than Japanese N scale. The funny thing is that the Tomix N scale Thomas models are a lot bigger than the British N scale models. There are photos online that prove it. Bringing up the scale ratio has no merit in this case.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Cheeky_ULP on February 17, 2019, 06:56:28 PM
That's exactly what I was referring to, though, so I dunno what you're saying.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: TrainMan2001 on February 17, 2019, 07:09:36 PM
If the Tomix Models were scaled 1:150 they would slightly smaller than British N Scale models (1:148). As the second number in a ratio gets larger, the size of something in that scale decreases. This should hold true with British prototype models being made in either scale, but the Tomix Thomas models are larger than 1:148 British models. The Tomix Thomas models don't even scale well with other Japanese models made by Tomix, which they should. My theory about this is that the Tomix Thomas models were made too big, not because of the scale being different, but so that kids would be able to handle them more easily. Something that supports this is the lack of detail on the Thomas models (no lamp irons or brakepipes). The buffers also don't have correct proportions, and the whistles are beefier than they should be. They aren't like that because they would be too small in N scale, because other manufacturers have made those to scale.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Cheeky_ULP on February 17, 2019, 07:17:17 PM
Yes which is what I said, because you have to keep in mind metre gauge vs standard gauge as well, which is where it rebounds back into the Thomas engines being larger because Japanese rolling stock in metre gauge is usually smaller. It's not gonna be a 1:1 proportion in any regard because the (Tomix) Thomas designs are a loose representation of British rolling stock (the show is properly Gauge 1 but that's a whole nother can of worms).

Either way, the bottom line is as said already; Bachmann UKs Graham Farish range is a different scale, so it makes the Tomix range look too large in comparison. The two ways to go about it are to scale the Bachmann Thomas N scale to Graham Farish's scale and have access to more rolling stock and British engines in the same scale, at the expense of alienating the pre-existing Tomix range. The second option is the vice versa; making it proportionate to Tomix and thus looking in-scale with James, Henry, and the other buildings (all of which are currently available in the deluxe set that sports the CGI Thomas face), but alienating British N scalers a bit.

What will probably make the call in the long run is if Bachmann re-uses Graham Farish toolings for the rolling stock or not. If the wagon toolings are entirely new, then I expect Bachmann will make the N Scale range larger for the same reasons you said Tomix did; to make it easier for kids to handle and use.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: TrainMan2001 on February 17, 2019, 07:47:54 PM
Alright. Those are pretty fair points. The only things left to consider really are that the Tomix Thomas models are a lot more scarce than British N scale models, and a not a lot of people are going to have the complete Tomix range, while, comparatively, a lot of people are going to have a fairly sizable collection of British N scale models, wheter they are made by Graham Farish or other companies. Another thing is that Bachmann already has the Graham Farish 7-plank wagon toolings they could use and several other models that mirror what's available in the HO scale Thomas range, that they would easily be able to use to build upon the range. Looking at the other ranges (bar Large Scale, seeing as there's hardly any Standard gauge models in that to begin with), Bachmann has always gone with what they could easily use to bring out their Thomas line. Even the Narrow Gauge line did this, although it sacrificed accurate box van toolings in the process. I guess my point with this is, they didn't make the HO scale models HO when they started out because they already had the basic toolings they needed to make the Thomas range. They didn't even do it with the Narrow Gauge range. I hope they don't feel the need to throw away something that has always worked for them (and their budget needs) just so they can match an obselete line of Thomas models from 15 years ago to satisfy the few modelers who went out of their way to find the entire range. How many kids would be given N Scale Thomas models in the US (and possibly the UK) anyways when there are the larger HO scale models? I know a lot of parents wouldn't want to get their children an expensive model they could break easily. Heck, Bachmann even confirmed to me via email that if they ever did do an N Scale Thomas range, they would not deem it suitable for use by children (whether it's because it's too small or because children would break them too easily, I know not), but I am certain they will market the line for people of 14+ years. I am also certain that when a lot of modelers bought the entire range after it was discontinued, they did not believe another manufacturer would pick up the license to make more models in that scale. I'm just saying that at this point, would it really be worth it to throw away scale and an economically smart business practice just to match an old product line from an entirely different era of Thomas and Friends?

It is also possible that the N Scale range will be available in the UK. The only known reason for the HO scale models not being available in the UK is becausd Hornby held the license. This had no effect whatsoever on the Large Scale models. Similarly, no one has held the license to make N Scale Thomas models in the UK, so it is entirely possible that this range will have the same go for it the Large Scale range did.

I am going to echo something you said in the Bachmann N Scale Thomas thread, being, "If they're the wrong scale, then I don't see the point." As you said, the Japanese N Scale is metre gauge, which is almlst an entire foot off of Standard Gauge. Seeing as Japanese N scale is also only really used in, well, Japan, releasing the Bachmann N Scale Thomas models to a scale for a single country that Bachmann doesn't sell their models in, that aren't even the correct gauge, would just be pointless. Even though 1:160 (American and Continental) and 1:148 (British) are 1:12 of a proportion off, they are both Standard Gauge, and in that size, American and British models look even closer to proper scale next to each other than even HO and OO do. Considering also that the country (very possibly countries) they will be released in, it would make a lot more sense to release them in the scales closest to that country they are being released in. Again, the Tomix Thomas range is really rare and expensive, and only about half of the range is currently available, of which all items are being made to go around rediculously tight curves (around 7 inch radius) with no sign of the older stuff being rereleased in the near future. Even Chaz noted this as well. Another thing is that said curve radius is smaller than anything released by Bachmann USA. I don't think Bachmann should have to limit themself to follow the range that has tighter than necessary curves.

Besides, even if Thomas and Percy are made to the smaller standard, the Tomix James would still be in scale with them in regards to the CGI Series.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Falcon the 2nd on February 18, 2019, 12:29:41 AM
Since a handful of users have given their predictions and hopes earlier, I may as well give mine and include some reasoning behind them. I may or may not repeat what others have already said concerning certain choices and the list may not be anywhere as big as others' either, but it's still worth a share.

HO Scale
Daisy or LBSC Thomas - Daisy's become a major fan favorite since her return in the show and an LBSC recolor for Thomas would be ideal for the 75th anniversary.
Troublesome Truck #6 - Demand for this idea has lately been prominent and as someone who is (surprisingly) still yet to own a single Troublesome Truck, I'm open to it.
Ffarquhar Station Resin Building - This is a very iconic location that's been around since the show's first season and it would also fit accordingly with the anniversary.

Narrow Gauge
Sir Handel - Sir Haydn's overhaul was finished many months ago, which means Bachmann now has a good opportunity to get a hold of measurements for Sir Handel. If Peter Sam were announced instead, I'd be open to him too. Just hoping for Sir Handel out of silly personal preference.
Brake Van - This has also been a popular idea lately and I'd love to see it made since it'd make Narrow Gauge freight loads feel a little more complete.

G Scale
Mavis - This lineup has been in a rough place lately and if any new engine were to be made anytime soon, it'd have to be Mavis. As I already said elsewhere, her tooling can easily be reused from Toby's with minimal change (maybe a length extension at the most) and she'd be a popular character in this lineup like she was in the HO lineup.

N Scale
My predictions are pretty much the exact same as TrainFan97's. If just one item were to be announced in that list, however, I'd hope for it to be James. He's always been a favorite for many fans (myself included) and since he was among the first characters announced in past lineups, it's expected that he'll be next in line when all is said and done with Thomas and Percy.
I'm also hoping for Toby and Mavis to be made sometime in the future, but it's much too early for them to be introduced at the moment. Many of us are excited for this new lineup and we all have high hopes for it, though it's also important to keep expectations in check and have patience for certain ideas we may have.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Cheeky_ULP on February 18, 2019, 03:11:27 AM
I wouldn't really call it economically smart when it's alienating an entirely pre-existing range. So yes, I absolutely think and maintain that the range should be consistently scaled with Tomix. It has an objective benefit of being easier for young modellers to handle, and would allow the tooling to be distinctly Thomas. I think scaling the range to British equipment has its benefits in terms of rolling stock, but I think in the long run it makes things more complicated for Thomas collectors specifically. Americans never minded the scale of the Tomix Thomas range much, and British N scale is a much more niche scale in the UK than OO is.

Basically, we'll just have to see what happens when they reveal images of the upcoming range. If we're lucky, we'll see something in the catalog whenever it comes out. Neither outcome would really surprise me, though.

Course, I have low expectations despite my personal opinions.

The Tomix range is actually easily on Amazon and eBay. Anyone who has any marginal desire to collect the Tomix range has plenty of options online. The only thing that does make them rare is to older N scalers that have a hard time ordering stuff online. However, the more I thought on this point, the more I consider redacting it since that becomes more and more a moot point in 2019. Point is, the Tomix range is accessible within a few clicks and short keyboard strokes. eBay currently has.. 166 international results for various Thomas items.
(http://i68.tinypic.com/nf3dis.png)
This is just a snippet of what you can find, and as it's clear to see there's an absolute wealth of the range readily available online.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: TrainMan2001 on February 18, 2019, 11:46:03 AM
You do make some really good points in here. I actually think that Bachmann could end up following your argument with this case. I just reel like if they are going to make them to the Tomix scale, it would have been smarter to choose different rolling stock like the coal wagon with load or the cargo car, just because the only thing different from Tomix that they would be making is Troublesome Truck #2 and the color scheme for Troublesome Truck #1. I also noticed that there are other people that want the same to happen. I did look at the 2002 catalog for Bachmann (it's still online), and they did make a fair amount of new toolings (not counting Thomas & Friends), but they still went with the Mainline toolings for the Troublesome Trucks. I also looked at the economic environment for the time, and it was in recession, so that could be why. I just have one question for you. If they do end up being Graham Farish size, would you still buy the new range?

It's so weird to see just how much cheaper everything was 17 years ago. Everything's only about a third of the price they are now.

EDIT: I'm sorry about this, but I am not quite finished yet. I have looked at Ebay several times for Tomix Thomas stuff in the past (the old range). They are always extremely expensive and I don't see a lot of people forking out the money to buy these models once the Bachmann Range gets on it's feet. All of the stuff in the picture and online right now is the reboot of the range. Good, right, because it's cheaper? I'm not so sure. The new range has had a lot of quality control issues. On this forum alone, BassTBone and douglas both have reported issues with the new James models not working for very long. BassTBone also said Tomix had been over-scaled, and with the nature of the post, it seems he thinks its not a good thing. Exile90 of BluePlasticTracks.com has said that the new Tomix stuff feels like it could derail at any time due to them being super light. He also said that Annie and Clarabel uncouple a lot for the same reason. He also brings up the issue of plastic wheels, which has been proven several times in the past to cause more issues (even with non-Thomas trains) with derailment and the spread of dirt along the rails. XtremeTrainz of YouTube has also reported issues with his James model not running as well as Thomas and Percy do. TrainTsarFun of YouTube has also had problems with his Tomix Thomas model, with it not even working right out of the package. There is also a video dedicated to him sorting out the problem. In several of his videos about Tomix Thomas trains, you can even see the cars derailing a lot due to lack of weight. Chaz has even said just how much the running of the Narrow Gauge products (they are just as small as the Tomix Range) is improved by the addition of metal wheels. I feel like, for a kid's line, there shouldn't be so many issues with the products right out of the package.

Bachmann has a lot of potential to make a far superior product if they aren't forced to be compatible with the Tomix Range. Bachmann more than likely will put metal wheels on their N Scale Thomas line, which is something they have done with every other Thomas and Friends item they have made, with the exception of the Peco recolors, but that's most likely because they are recolors of a different brand. Over time, as more products are released for this new range, people will likely see it as pointless to run Tomix models and Bachmann models together as the Tomix models will derail and uncouple more often. In addition, the Graham Farish models also already have metal wheels, so it wouldn't add to the cost to include metal wheels with wagon repaints that already have them. With the simple addition of 14+, they could make their models a lot more detailed as it will be considered "a scale model for adult collectors." 6 years ago, I emailed Bachmann about making an N Scale Thomas range, and they told me that it would not be good for them because the models would be too small for kids to handle, and that they had no plans for making a range anytime soon. Bachmann also will probably do correct coloring for their Thomas models: Tomix used yellow instead of gold, and it looks really off in my opinion. Seeing as people likely wouldn't mix the Tomix and Bachmann models by this point, Bachmann will have missed out on making the models accurately scaled to other N scale models, and people probably wouldn't appreciate having to keep their Thomas and non-Thomas models separate in order to keep things from looking off.

I feel like there are a lot of sound and economically smart decisions for Bachmann to leave Tomix the way they are and have their own, proper scaling for their N Scale Range. There are a lot of toolings that are distinctly Thomas in the HO scale range, and even the Mainline recolors look more like Thomas models than OO scale models produced today. The toolings for rolling stock in the Thomas range that are distinctly Thomas are the Red Coaches, Annie and Clarabel, The Mail Coaches, the Tankers, the Flatbeds, Emily's coaches, and Henrietta. I feel that having the other wagons based off of existing toolings is forgivable considering just how many new toolings already had to be made. Even if the Graham Farish toolings are used, I feel we can count on Bachmann to make them look like they are distinctly Thomas. They are a model train company and have been in business for several years, and I'm certain that they know how to make existing toolings look like something different just enough to have it be satisfactory and not look monotonous.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: TrainFan97 on February 18, 2019, 04:17:40 PM
Man, I really want to see the 2019 catalog.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Chaz on February 28, 2019, 01:07:38 AM
Iím surprised people are still posting in the 2019 thread, you would think more people would post in this thread instead. 

Anyway, in response to Trainman2001ís post, personally I wouldnít mind AS much if they go in true British N scale, but I feel if that were the case, we would have at least seen what the troublesome trucks would have looked like in the catalog.  I think because they are just showing the HO models for illustrative purposes for the N scale models in the catalog as well as no price being shown is telling me that they will all likely be new toolings.  Probably why the second email response regarding the scale mentioned that they were not sure.  They will likely go with a scale on their own which could very well scale up with the Tomix models or come close like the Lima rolling stock models I have shown earlier.

I think because the models will be new toolings I think the motor issues that Tomix had previously will likely not carry on to the Bachmann models.  We will likely see them perform a lot better with a more modern motor.  The rolling stock will likely have metal wheels too, following the same track record as the slate wagons and the HO and large scale rolling stock.

I think while size was one of the biggest issues the large scale has to deal with and N scale wouldnít, pricing will probably still be a factor in what gets announced.  Large scale only announced James and Emily and I could honestly see the same happening for N scale depending on the prices.  The HO line got away with making a lot more tender engines, but that was a long time ago too when tooling costs seemed to be more manageable.  Last time the HO range announced any tender engines was Donald and Douglas, and that was because they were twins since Bill and Ben got announced at the same time too.  It doesnít help that they were announced almost a decade ago too.  And with Mattel behind the wheel, it makes me a lot less confident considering their track record since they bought the brand and continue to drastically change the prices behind models since 2013. 

So while I have my doubts on the quantity of what the range can make, I have no doubt that what they will make will be made in great quality.  And to me thatís a far more important thing to consider than anything else if Bachmann really wants sales of this new range to take off.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: TrainFan97 on February 28, 2019, 02:07:27 PM
I honestly don't get why people were still posting in the 2019 thread, even a few weeks after this year's announcements already got posted.

Regarding HO recolors, I'm starting to think Sidney is overdue, but because of the 75th Anniversary, LBSC Thomas is a higher priority. Ever since Mattel's takeover, we've only gotten two new toolings in HO Scale, which were Oliver and Rosie. Hopefully, another company will buy the franchise; one that actually knows how to manage it properly, and Mattel is going down the toilet.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: rjmets41 on February 28, 2019, 07:41:48 PM
I honestly don't get why people were still posting in the 2019 thread, even a few weeks after this year's announcements already got posted.

Regarding HO recolors, I'm starting to think Sidney is overdue, but because of the 75th Anniversary, LBSC Thomas is a higher priority. Ever since Mattel's takeover, we've only gotten two new toolings in HO Scale, which were Oliver and Rosie. Hopefully, another company will buy the franchise; one that actually knows how to manage it properly, and Mattel is going down the toilet.

I don't know how many of you guys have seen this but, this is Bachmann last fall (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrkkJVVSqzE&t=398s). Basically, Bachmann is saying the market is not there to put out new toolings and mentions that Bachmann milks the Thomas and Friends line in order to help pay for its other projects. Don't be so quick to blame Mattel.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Cheeky_ULP on February 28, 2019, 10:54:45 PM
I honestly don't get why people were still posting in the 2019 thread, even a few weeks after this year's announcements already got posted.

Regarding HO recolors, I'm starting to think Sidney is overdue, but because of the 75th Anniversary, LBSC Thomas is a higher priority. Ever since Mattel's takeover, we've only gotten two new toolings in HO Scale, which were Oliver and Rosie. Hopefully, another company will buy the franchise; one that actually knows how to manage it properly, and Mattel is going down the toilet.

I don't know how many of you guys have seen this but, this is Bachmann last fall (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrkkJVVSqzE&t=398s). Basically, Bachmann is saying the market is not there to put out new toolings and mentions that Bachmann milks the Thomas and Friends line in order to help pay for its other projects. Don't be so quick to blame Mattel.
Most of us are more than aware of it, and it doesn't excuse Mattel from raising the prices on the license or approving/disapproving certain products and designs within the last few years. Prices are going up, but quality isn't (particularly had a few personal incidents with items not glued on properly) and despite said price increases, the brand just isn't quite feeling like to many Bachmann fans that it's getting the same love that it used to.

I don't understand why people are quick to defend a company that's losing money in the millions and are downright lying to stockholders in order to try and keep profits going back in early February via reporting a sudden adjusted profit. This isn't some super private secret disclosed from the public, it's a well known ongoing development in the last few months (if not years). This isn't some baseless jab or troll attempt at Mattel, it's a legitimate problem going on with their company as a whole. Thomas is in shaky hands, and indisputably so.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Plow_Bender on March 01, 2019, 12:30:01 AM
I don't know how many of you guys have seen this but, this is Bachmann last fall (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrkkJVVSqzE&t=398s). Basically, Bachmann is saying the market is not there to put out new toolings and mentions that Bachmann milks the Thomas and Friends line in order to help pay for its other projects. Don't be so quick to blame Mattel.

Saying that Bachmann milks their Thomas & Friends line to pay for everything else they do is basically like saying they use the range as a crutch to get them out of trouble with collectors of their other products.  That's pretty harsh if you ask me...  Jack clearly says that the Thomas & Friends range helps to "subsidize" (if you don't know what that means, look it up) all the other ranges that Bachmann offers.  It's no different than Bachmann taking profits from ranges like HO or N and investing said profits back into the Thomas range.  All the scales Bachmann produces share a common backbone, and regardless what brings in better sales the money all goes to the same place.

Then we get on to the topic of new tooling's, which is not going to happen simply for the fact the cost of everything has gone completely out of control.  As another member mentioned in a previous post, the prices for the ranges (or HO at least) have gone up over 200% within the last 10 years, and it's ridiculous to pay over $120 for a model that you could once pick up at your hobby shop in yesteryears for only $35.  That was the main cause of Hornby's downfall as the models they produced were too expensive for what they were, considering some of their tooling's had been around since the 1950's.  While I don't know if this price issue was caused by Mattel's doing or not, I'm in no way pointing fingers at them.  Getting back to Bachmann and present day, I can honestly say (as will others I'm sure) that models such as Thomas and/or Percy are not worth $100 for what little they have to offer.

At the end of the day you have Bachmann trying to produce what little they can, while dealing with the uprising production costs and throwing money away trying to afford a license to produce the Thomas ranges.  Then you have Mattel over in the corner losing their shirt because of their own recklessness, and "we're" suppose to feel sorry for them? :P  Furthermore, I just read last night Mattel has yet again had another setback recently with an 18% stock drop, claiming that the toys aren't selling.  I know Mattel clearly has a problem, but Firemen have problems all the time.  Ever seen one throw gas on it? ::)

-Rusty


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: JLK2707 on March 01, 2019, 07:05:46 AM
Just yet a great point! :)


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Anthony P2 on March 01, 2019, 01:05:05 PM
I don't know how many of you guys have seen this but, this is Bachmann last fall (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrkkJVVSqzE&t=398s). Basically, Bachmann is saying the market is not there to put out new toolings and mentions that Bachmann milks the Thomas and Friends line in order to help pay for its other projects. Don't be so quick to blame Mattel.

Saying that Bachmann milks their Thomas & Friends line to pay for everything else they do is basically like saying they use the range as a crutch to get them out of trouble with collectors of their other products.  That's pretty harsh if you ask me...  Jack clearly says that the Thomas & Friends range helps to "subsidize" (if you don't know what that means, look it up) all the other ranges that Bachmann offers.  It's no different than Bachmann taking profits from ranges like HO or N and investing said profits back into the Thomas range.  All the scales Bachmann produces share a common backbone, and regardless what brings in better sales the money all goes to the same place.

Then we get on to the topic of new tooling's, which is not going to happen simply for the fact the cost of everything has gone completely out of control.  As another member mentioned in a previous post, the prices for the ranges (or HO at least) have gone up over 200% within the last 10 years, and it's ridiculous to pay over $120 for a model that you could once pick up at your hobby shop in yesteryears for only $35.  That was the main cause of Hornby's downfall as the models they produced were too expensive for what they were, considering some of their tooling's had been around since the 1950's.  While I don't know if this price issue was caused by Mattel's doing or not, I'm in no way pointing fingers at them.  Getting back to Bachmann and present day, I can honestly say (as will others I'm sure) that models such as Thomas and/or Percy are not worth $100 for what little they have to offer.

At the end of the day you have Bachmann trying to produce what little they can, while dealing with the uprising production costs and throwing money away trying to afford a license to produce the Thomas ranges.  Then you have Mattel over in the corner losing their shirt because of their own recklessness, and "we're" suppose to feel sorry for them? :P  Furthermore, I just read last night Mattel has yet again had another setback recently with an 18% stock drop, claiming that the toys aren't selling.  I know Mattel clearly has a problem, but Firemen have problems all the time.  Ever seen one throw gas on it? ::)

-Rusty

I couldn't have put this better myself! Models are so expensive to produce. Mr. Lynch has a point, they can only produce so many models with roadnames that they know are going to sell because there will be a higher turnover for them. Look at the brand Rapido, they have a niche market for models that aren't/can't be/won't be produced by manufactures such as Bachmann because there is such a small demand for them, then they charge a higher price for the model. They are expensive for a reason. For example, take a look at their Stirling Single model. I have one myself and its a gorgeous model. Rapido was willing to produce this, but when they did, they said "Ok we'll produce this model, but we'll have to charge a lot for it." As consumers we said "ok!" The price tag was to offset their tooling and manufacturing costs especially since they're not producing as many models as a bigger name manufacturer would.

Since Thomas does subsidize a bunch of other lines, I truly believe Bachmann have a bunch of new toolings and projects they want to do, but in order t get to that point, they need to sell some produces that use existing tooling already with roadnames/paint schemes (i.e. Red Rosie, sodor scrap co truck) because they know there's a demand and those products will sell. I'm actually kind of surprised they haven't done an Original Thomas or Original James yet...but they're probaby waiting for another significant anniversary again like the 75th anniversary or something.

*I probably threw in a lot of business jargen while writing this...the perks being a marketing graduate student :P ...so if there are any words that need explaining, let me know!


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: TrainFan97 on March 01, 2019, 03:16:39 PM
If we were to get a second engine recolor in HO Scale to join LBSC Thomas, I doubt we'd still get Sidney just yet, since the second engine recolor to release with LBSC Thomas would make much more sense if it was Black James, since both of those recolors are from The Adventure Begins. Green Thomas and Black James would be perfect recolors to celebrate the 75th Anniversary. Bachmann has the toolings for them, and you can use them to better recreate scenes from the special.

Hopefully, Red Rosie will be in stock this summer, since her image is already there. Now that 'Arry and Bert are discontinued, the next engines to go might be original Diesel, and original Rosie. Diesel is now available with a face more suitable for his character, and Rosie is being made in her better livery, complete with lamp.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: JLK2707 on March 02, 2019, 07:30:15 AM
Just yet another great point!


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: TrainFan97 on March 02, 2019, 04:22:05 PM
I've given up hope for Bachmann to make Stepney or Daisy in HO Scale, since the market for new toolings has dwindled.

When prices go up, and quality goes down, this type of inflation needs a term, if it doesn't have one already. For example, "shrinkflation" is when portions get shrunk, but not the prices.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: MoarCrossovers on March 19, 2019, 01:51:19 PM
What if, to save costs, Bachmann decides to make Smudger next year?


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Zekeism on March 19, 2019, 06:04:13 PM
What if, to save costs, Bachmann decides to make Smudger next year?
Barely anyone will buy it though? Just a waste of time making a character who appeared in just one episode.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Angelob6660 on March 19, 2019, 07:13:06 PM
What if, to save costs, Bachmann decides to make Smudger next year?
Barely anyone will buy it though? Just a waste of time making a character who appeared in just one episode.

Plus we don't really know if he was a real locomotive or someone that Duke made up.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Plow_Bender on March 20, 2019, 12:31:09 PM
What if, to save costs, Bachmann decides to make Smudger next year?

Barely anyone will buy it though? Just a waste of time making a character who appeared in just one episode.

Plus we don't really know if he was a real locomotive or someone that Duke made up.

I don't know if I should be putting fuel on this fire or not, but I'm going to go along with it either way.  Mr. Moar brings up a good point with Bachmann making Smudger to save on costs, as the overall tooling is already there only requiring the addition of a new face tooling, which apparently isn't that big of a problem as we've seen with characters such as Grumpy Diesel and Paxton back in 2018.  You also have Mr. Zekeism saying Smudger isn't worth producing as he only appeared once, but keep in mind the Spiteful Brakevan only appeared in one episode, yet he manged to find his way into the Bachmann range.  I think this alone shows that Bachmann isn't afraid to produce classic characters from yesteryears, but again (and I know I'm going to get flak for saying this) their decisions have to be approved by Mattel first.  Lastly is Mr. angelo making the statement Smudger may not even be a real engine, but the simple fact he was seen in Season 4 is enough cause for a model to be made.

Personally I think if Bachmann wanted to continue on the trend of doing recolors, a yellow Rheneas from Blue Mountain Mystery would be a better option than Smudger in my opinion, but that's just my thoughts.  An Original Thomas and Original James from the Adventure Begins would also be a nice option for engine recolors, but I'm kind of getting off topic now.  Anyways that's just thoughts on the Smudger topic and if anyone want's to contribute to what I've said, feel free to do so.

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ttte/images/0/0b/BlueMountainMystery580.png/revision/latest?cb=20180919212950)

-Rusty


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Cheeky_ULP on March 20, 2019, 04:31:26 PM
They can do 1000 recolored engines for all I care as long as they bring out actual new engines every now and again. Rosie was our last one and that was.. 2016? I'm sure the fans would gladly still clamor for Daisy or Stepney if they felt there was a margin of hope.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Zekeism on March 20, 2019, 04:40:36 PM
They can do 1000 recolored engines for all I care as long as they bring out actual new engines every now and again. Rosie was our last one and that was.. 2016? I'm sure the fans would gladly still clamor for Daisy or Stepney if they felt there was a margin of hope.

We got Paxton, who came out last year.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Chaz on March 20, 2019, 04:43:24 PM
At this point, if we get any new toolings, I think they will probably go to narrow gauge and the N scale range since those ranges need a lot more attention.  Even then I donít expect anything drastic next year beyond Sir Handel/Peter Sam and some narrow gauge brake vans and an N scale James with some tankers.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Cheeky_ULP on March 20, 2019, 05:05:19 PM
They can do 1000 recolored engines for all I care as long as they bring out actual new engines every now and again. Rosie was our last one and that was.. 2016? I'm sure the fans would gladly still clamor for Daisy or Stepney if they felt there was a margin of hope.

We got Paxton, who came out last year.
Is Paxton a new tooling? No. He's a repaint of the Diesel tooling.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: TerencetheTractor525 on March 20, 2019, 06:23:28 PM
Personally, I would love to see a Bachmann Smudger, but since he is an quite unknown, perhaps releasing him as a limited edition product would feasible.

https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Smudger

Honestly, this is something that they should have done this year for the narrow gauge line instead of announcing absolutely nothing.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Cheeky_ULP on March 20, 2019, 07:37:47 PM
I think a rolling stock character like the Spiteful Brakevan is easier to justify making into the range, when it's only a few small plastic parts. Rheneas on the other hand is mostly metal and some plastic parts, especially the chassis. It'd cost a lot more to manufacture, and they would have to be confident that there's a market for a repainted engine like that. The Spiteful Brakevan on the other hand is less of a liability due to its minimal resources.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: TerencetheTractor525 on March 20, 2019, 09:28:42 PM
Thatís fair. Yet, thatís why I also stated that they could maybe announce Smudger as a limited edition product. Specifically, a limited run of 1000 Smudgers may be possible, making it a product specifically for avid fans like us.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Angelob6660 on March 20, 2019, 11:48:33 PM
I wouldn't mind having Smudger if they made Duke first.

I forgot that Rheneas was painted yellow since I seen that movie in three years.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Cheeky_ULP on March 21, 2019, 12:42:42 AM
Thatís fair. Yet, thatís why I also stated that they could maybe announce Smudger as a limited edition product. Specifically, a limited run of 1000 Smudgers may be possible, making it a product specifically for avid fans like us.
They'd be lucky if 50 people bought a Smudger. I feel like if there was a stronger demand for him, more people would be repainting their Rheneas models by now. Spiteful Brakevan on the other hand had a nice handful of customs being made prior to his announcement.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: TerencetheTractor525 on March 21, 2019, 12:43:22 PM
https://twitter.com/ElsbridgeP/status/1105066420793008128

https://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/board/index.php/topic,32140.msg257681.html#msg257681

https://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/board/index.php/topic,30612.msg256217.html#msg256217

I'm pasted some links above to show that there is in fact many people who have modelled Smudger. And from looking at the feedback they have received, it seems that there is a demand for him.

I agree that there have been many more Spiteful Brake Van customs, but I would argue that is only because he is one of the easiest customs to make. Smudger, on the other hand, requires much more attention in terms of color scheme, just like Red Rosie, which Bachmann always does a great job with. Also, in Bachmann's case, the challenge of announcing a new product is with new toolings, not fine paint scheme adjustments. Even take Gordon's coaches, which have just been changed with the addition of the yellow stripe. For many modellers who wanted to do that to the original models on their own, that addition of would be challenging to get just right. Thus, once again, announcing Smudger as a limited edition product would be a nice compromise. It would be targeting to serious Thomas fans, would not cost too much to make, considering that it would be a repaint of Rheneas and only a limited amount would be produced, and seems like something that the licencor would approve, since the Spiteful Brake Van was also approved. It would be much more exciting than announcing nothing like this year.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Cheeky_ULP on March 21, 2019, 07:03:29 PM
I'm well aware of those customs, and I feel the fact that you are reiterating that only about.. 3 have been made, only supports my point more. It would have to be a -very- limited run, and then that run would have to cost enough to warrant the manufacturing costs, as well as a small tooling for a new faceplate.

It's also why I'm surprised we got Red Rosie so soon; there were customs going around in the fandom, but they were small in numbers. Either Bachmann has strong confidence in Red Rosie, or it was a Mattel mandate.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Chaz on March 21, 2019, 08:17:31 PM
To me, red Rosie was inevitable for this year for more than just because the tooling was already there, but I think it might also come down to the fact that maybe the sales for Rosie were so minimal compared to Oliver or Skarloey and Rheneas that maybe they felt they could justify her tooling cost a little more by creating an alternative model for those who preferred her modern livery?  Bachmann does like going for characters that they know are going to sell well and Rosie wasnít that much of a hit compared to other releases.  She clearly had her fans, but never made it on the bestsellers list when it was still around.  Iím sure that the lavender model will probably find its way out of the range in the same way Arry and Bert did once the new supply of Rosie models that just arrived will sell out in the next couple of years so the red one would be the only option left. 

Iím sure Mattel wanted Bachmann to update her in red too, and something tells me if they made her red in the first place and pushed Rosie back another year like they did with Oliver and Rusty then her sales would have been slightly better than what they made out of the lavender one. 

Either way if Rosie clearly didnít win that many people over, thatís definitely going to say something about how Nia and Rebecca models would do (no matter how much Mattel may push for them), which is one reason why I feel Bachmann are better off avoiding those two altogether if the sales arenít going to be there. 


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Ronniethe14xxx on March 21, 2019, 08:58:41 PM
To me, red Rosie was inevitable for this year for more than just because the tooling was already there, but I think it might also come down to the fact that maybe the sales for Rosie were so minimal compared to Oliver or Skarloey and Rheneas that maybe they felt they could justify her tooling cost a little more by creating an alternative model for those who preferred her modern livery?  Bachmann does like going for characters that they know are going to sell well and Rosie wasnít that much of a hit compared to other releases.  She clearly had her fans, but never made it on the bestsellers list when it was still around.  Iím sure that the lavender model will probably find its way out of the range in the same way Arry and Bert did once the new supply of Rosie models that just arrived will sell out in the next couple of years so the red one would be the only option left. 

Iím sure Mattel wanted Bachmann to update her in red too, and something tells me if they made her red in the first place and pushed Rosie back another year like they did with Oliver and Rusty then her sales would have been slightly better than what they made out of the lavender one. 

Either way if Rosie clearly didnít win that many people over, thatís definitely going to say something about how Nia and Rebecca models would do (no matter how much Mattel may push for them), which is one reason why I feel Bachmann are better off avoiding those two altogether if the sales arenít going to be there. 

I feel like people didn't buy Rosie because they were waiting for Red Rosie, and Nia and Rebecca wouldn't have that problem. Rebecca especially Rebecca as she is super popular with the fandom


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Cheeky_ULP on March 21, 2019, 11:21:45 PM
To me, red Rosie was inevitable for this year for more than just because the tooling was already there, but I think it might also come down to the fact that maybe the sales for Rosie were so minimal compared to Oliver or Skarloey and Rheneas that maybe they felt they could justify her tooling cost a little more by creating an alternative model for those who preferred her modern livery?  Bachmann does like going for characters that they know are going to sell well and Rosie wasnít that much of a hit compared to other releases.  She clearly had her fans, but never made it on the bestsellers list when it was still around.  Iím sure that the lavender model will probably find its way out of the range in the same way Arry and Bert did once the new supply of Rosie models that just arrived will sell out in the next couple of years so the red one would be the only option left. 

Iím sure Mattel wanted Bachmann to update her in red too, and something tells me if they made her red in the first place and pushed Rosie back another year like they did with Oliver and Rusty then her sales would have been slightly better than what they made out of the lavender one. 

Either way if Rosie clearly didnít win that many people over, thatís definitely going to say something about how Nia and Rebecca models would do (no matter how much Mattel may push for them), which is one reason why I feel Bachmann are better off avoiding those two altogether if the sales arenít going to be there. 

I feel like people didn't buy Rosie because they were waiting for Red Rosie, and Nia and Rebecca wouldn't have that problem. Rebecca especially Rebecca as she is super popular with the fandom
What are we calling super popular? Largely indifference, followed by ridicule of her shoehorned insertion, and then a select few fans going "Rebecca is my wife for life" on Twitter? Nia and Rebecca are absolutely not "popular" in a strong good way, especially compared to classics like Oliver, Rosie or Paxton.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Streak on March 22, 2019, 09:37:19 PM
Well, not everyone makes customs. Not everyone who collects Bachmann Thomas are serious hardcore modelers. Some just want things like Red Rosie, Nia, and Rebecca because they just like those characters and they want those as models. Smudger or Yellow Rheneas would be cool. Considering how Red Rosie's practically done, it's clear that some of these recolors are very easy for Bachmann to make. There really isn't that much harm in them. I do hope they continue making new molded characters (maybe recolors alongside new molds) but right now I'm fine with it.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: TrainFan97 on March 22, 2019, 10:55:37 PM
I know everyone's getting tired of Class 08 recolors, but I think Sidney is starting to feel overdue. The reason not many people have made customs of Sidney is because he's never had a Trackmaster model, so it's not easy to get his face in proper HO Scale size. If someone on Shapeways was to sell 3D-printed Sidney faces, people might start making customs of him. If Bachmann eventually does make Sidney, he will need a painted border around his face to hide his eye mechanism, just like Paxton.

Sidney, Green Thomas, and Black James are the only HO Scale engine recolors left that I can think of from the top of my head that actually make sense. As I've stated before, Bachmann can't make Splatter and Dodge for relevance reasons, being completely obscure one-off characters, and they can't make the Mainland Diesels since they don't have actual personalities, or names (except for Ulli, but he still doesn't have a personality). Paxton has a character, and a name, which is why he was made.

Red Rosie should be in stock this summer, along with the new HO rolling stock. Rusty should also arrive soon.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Ronniethe14xxx on March 23, 2019, 09:26:31 AM
To me, red Rosie was inevitable for this year for more than just because the tooling was already there, but I think it might also come down to the fact that maybe the sales for Rosie were so minimal compared to Oliver or Skarloey and Rheneas that maybe they felt they could justify her tooling cost a little more by creating an alternative model for those who preferred her modern livery?  Bachmann does like going for characters that they know are going to sell well and Rosie wasnít that much of a hit compared to other releases.  She clearly had her fans, but never made it on the bestsellers list when it was still around.  Iím sure that the lavender model will probably find its way out of the range in the same way Arry and Bert did once the new supply of Rosie models that just arrived will sell out in the next couple of years so the red one would be the only option left. 

Iím sure Mattel wanted Bachmann to update her in red too, and something tells me if they made her red in the first place and pushed Rosie back another year like they did with Oliver and Rusty then her sales would have been slightly better than what they made out of the lavender one. 

Either way if Rosie clearly didnít win that many people over, thatís definitely going to say something about how Nia and Rebecca models would do (no matter how much Mattel may push for them), which is one reason why I feel Bachmann are better off avoiding those two altogether if the sales arenít going to be there. 

I feel like people didn't buy Rosie because they were waiting for Red Rosie, and Nia and Rebecca wouldn't have that problem. Rebecca especially Rebecca as she is super popular with the fandom
What are we calling super popular? Largely indifference, followed by ridicule of her shoehorned insertion, and then a select few fans going "Rebecca is my wife for life" on Twitter? Nia and Rebecca are absolutely not "popular" in a strong good way, especially compared to classics like Oliver, Rosie or Paxton.
I haven't ever seen anyone hating on Rebecca, most people, especially those super anti-BWBA seem to like her personality. Sure she's not on the levels of Oliver, but she's probably going to have a similar following as the other cgi characters and Rosie.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: TerencetheTractor525 on March 23, 2019, 09:43:19 AM
Either way, they wonít be making Rebecca due to how expensive she would be to make. If they are going to make a new HO engine with a new tooling, Iím sure that they would choose the most popular candidates, which are Stepney and Daisy (both of which are much cheaper to make too). But my money is still on the Green LBSC Thomas, since they are trying to use existing toolings.

I'm well aware of those customs, and I feel the fact that you are reiterating that only about.. 3 have been made, only supports my point more. It would have to be a -very- limited run, and then that run would have to cost enough to warrant the manufacturing costs, as well as a small tooling for a new faceplate.

It's also why I'm surprised we got Red Rosie so soon; there were customs going around in the fandom, but they were small in numbers. Either Bachmann has strong confidence in Red Rosie, or it was a Mattel mandate.

I certainly understand that, but the reason there have only been three custom Smudgers is probably due to the fact that Rheneas has not been out for that long, and that making a custom model of him requires a higher attention to detail than making something like a custom Spiteful Brake Van.

At the end of the day, it would be nice to see something get announced for narrow gauge rather than absolutely nothing.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Ronniethe14xxx on March 23, 2019, 10:05:06 AM
Yeah, I have a feeling we wouldn't get Nia or Rebecca unless Mattel forced Bachmann to. However we know Mattel does have input on what Bachmann makes so it's hard to say whether they would be made or not


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Toad139 on March 23, 2019, 12:58:29 PM
Yeah, I have a feeling we wouldn't get Nia or Rebecca unless Mattel forced Bachmann to. However we know Mattel does have input on what Bachmann makes so it's hard to say whether they would be made or not
They canít force them to make something that isnít economically viable. Bachmann hasnít made a tender engine in almost 10 years, and I doubt they would start again with a character like Rebecca.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: SeanrailAnimations on March 23, 2019, 01:33:26 PM
Yeah, I have a feeling we wouldn't get Nia or Rebecca unless Mattel forced Bachmann to. However we know Mattel does have input on what Bachmann makes so it's hard to say whether they would be made or not
They canít force them to make something that isnít economically viable. Bachmann hasnít made a tender engine in almost 10 years, and I doubt they would start again with a character like Rebecca.
If they do a tender engine in 2020, recommend either Flying Scotsman, being economical in reusing parts from Spencer and Gordon, or Hiro as he's become quite a popular character, especially in Japan.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Toad139 on March 23, 2019, 03:48:24 PM
If they do a tender engine in 2020, recommend either Flying Scotsman, being economical in reusing parts from Spencer and Gordon, or Hiro as he's become quite a popular character, especially in Japan.

Iíve actually been thinking the same thing. They would just have to slightly alter Gordonís tooling and make a new tender mold. This will still probably be pretty expensive though, so I doubt Bachmann would go along with it. You never know what could happen in the future though, hopefully they will be able to make new toolings again within the next few years
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Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Chaz on March 24, 2019, 04:57:47 PM
They canít force them to make something that isnít economically viable. Bachmann hasnít made a tender engine in almost 10 years, and I doubt they would start again with a character like Rebecca.

Bingo.  Rebecca is easily safe to rule out since there is no way she would fit in Bachmannís budget.  I would argue the same for Nia because of how long and complicated her design would be from their standpoint.  They would sooner do smaller tank engines like Stepney or even Stanley because they would be easier to make and would likely fit their budget no differently than Oliver would.

Regardless of what few on here think, (while also clearly just saying things on here just to be contrarian), Nia and Rebecca are very impractical additions from Bachmann.  Their minor popularity with the fanbase and their equally mediocre sales would not justify the production and tooling cost for these models.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Ronniethe14xxx on March 24, 2019, 05:19:17 PM
They canít force them to make something that isnít economically viable. Bachmann hasnít made a tender engine in almost 10 years, and I doubt they would start again with a character like Rebecca.

Bingo.  Rebecca is easily safe to rule out since there is no way she would fit in Bachmannís budget.  I would argue the same for Nia because of how long and complicated her design would be from their standpoint.  They would sooner do smaller tank engines like Stepney or even Stanley because they would be easier to make and would likely fit their budget no differently than Oliver would.

Regardless of what few on here think, (while also clearly just saying things on here just to be contrarian), Nia and Rebecca are very impractical additions from Bachmann.  Their minor popularity with the fanbase and their equally mediocre sales would not justify the production and tooling cost for these models.
Well Mattel probably would rather have Bachmann make characters that are in the current show, so Stepney is pretty unlikely. If we were to get any new molds for the HO range, I honestly think Stanley, Daisy, and Ryan are the only likely canidates for the time being. Maybe Nia just because shes a main character now, but she isn't the most economically safe character.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Cheeky_ULP on March 24, 2019, 05:45:17 PM
Mattel, from what I heard, does have a mandate somewhere along those lines. At the same time I believe that if there is enough fan demand for a character, Mattel could be convinced by Bachmann to make an exception (especially since unlike the other toy ranges where I heard this mandate comes from such as Wood and Trackmaster, Bachmann is a nostalgia driven range). In the long run, Stepneys demand is very much up to the fans, and persistence is key here.

You want Stepney? Keep asking for him, logics be darned.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Ronniethe14xxx on March 24, 2019, 06:07:01 PM
Mattel, from what I heard, does have a mandate somewhere along those lines. At the same time I believe that if there is enough fan demand for a character, Mattel could be convinced by Bachmann to make an exception (especially since unlike the other toy ranges where I heard this mandate comes from such as Wood and Trackmaster, Bachmann is a nostalgia driven range). In the long run, Stepneys demand is very much up to the fans, and persistence is key here.

You want Stepney? Keep asking for him, logics be darned.
That's true, Bachmann did make Bill, Ben, and The Scottish Twins when they weren't in the show. But then again Mattel wasn't in control yet, and we haven't had an engine from the classic series who hasn't returned in cgi introduced since Mattel took over.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Chaz on March 24, 2019, 07:49:14 PM
But then again Mattel wasn't in control yet, and we haven't had an engine from the classic series introduced since Mattel took over.

Tell that to Oliver, Skarloey, Rheneas, Rusty and ĎArry and Bert...


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Ronniethe14xxx on March 24, 2019, 07:52:01 PM
But then again Mattel wasn't in control yet, and we haven't had an engine from the classic series introduced since Mattel took over.

Tell that to Oliver, Skarloey, Rheneas, Rusty and ĎArry and Bert...
I meant classic characters who haven't returned to the cgi series yet


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Angelob6660 on March 24, 2019, 11:36:44 PM
I don't believe that Nia is a main character since she appeared less than Rebecca.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: TrainCollector on April 14, 2019, 05:11:08 PM
Hey guys I just got back from the York Train show yesterday and I spoke with a few of the people who work for Bachmann. I gave them a few ideas and they loved them so much they said they would bring it up to Doug Blane the Vice President of sales for Bachmann Trains. Two of the ideas I came up with have already been discussed on the forum. Green Thomas and Black James for recolors. I however did something a little different and told them about the Thomas Wooden Railway limited edition James Goes Buzz Buzz and Thomas comes to Breakfast. I thought why doesnít Bachmann make a James Goes Buzz Buzz? Yes I know itís definetly a long shot but it would be something very easy for Bachmann to do. I mean all they would have to do is to add Bee sticker decals on the boiler give James a new face and paint the nose red. Itís simple and I think it would be a fun addition to the line. I know some may hate the idea of that but I just wanted to throw that out there. Now a more reasonable repaint. Silver Spencer. I mentioned at the booth that Spencer was still that grey-blue color when ever since the CGI series, Spencer has been rereleased with that metallic silver color in nearly every bit of merchandise. I was told to mention this to Insidetrack if he or she is listening. This is definitely a much better opportunity to increase sales and also make customers happy. I hope Doug Blane and Insidetrack are watching this because the guys told me at York to post this here in the forum. Anyways hope you guys like my idea. Please donít judge by the James Goes Buzz Buzz idea. I just thought Iíd put it out there.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Chaz on April 14, 2019, 05:24:37 PM
I think at this point, re-colors are probably all I would expect from Bachmann when it comes to new additions in HO and large scale.  They are probably going to focus more on adding new toolings for N scale and narrow gauge for the time being anyway.

I think Silver Spencer seems to be the most likely out of the recolors that you mentioned, and I think they could end up going that route and eventually discontinuing the current Spencer model as a result.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Cheeky_ULP on April 14, 2019, 07:58:32 PM
I've said it before, but they can do as many gimmicky items or repaints as they want, as long as we get an actual new engine every so-often. Repaints and gimmick items are easy to do, this is true, but the market is also limited. Not many people are going to pay $80.00-$120.00 for, say... A James with bees on him, a Percy covered in chocolate, or a Thomas in Indian decorations (just random examples). I reckon repaints like those will sell about as well as the Celebration Thomas did, which from what I can tell, seems to be a peg-warmer.

Just because an item is easy to do, doesn't mean the markets there.

That said, I think Bachmanns best bet for a repaint engine or two in the near future would be the LBSC Thomas and Black James. Anything else, I feel, would be a stretch.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: TrainCollector on April 14, 2019, 11:34:16 PM
Right I see your point but Silver Spencer canít be that much of a stretch. I mean that would sell pretty good


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: TerencetheTractor525 on April 15, 2019, 12:12:16 AM
I'm with Cheeky ULP. I mean, 2020 is Thomas' 75th Anniversary, so it would be the best time to announce a newly tooled HO engine to commemorate the anniversary and wow Thomas fans. I am still on board with Stepney or Daisy, as I know that both would sell extremely well, but I could actually see Stanley having a fair shot too. Announcing one of them along with the Green LBSC Thomas would be excellent (just as Oliver was announced with the Celebration Thomas in 2015). In the years after 2020, I could see Bachmann announcing more repaints such as Sidney, Silver Spencer, and Scrap Oliver.

Hence, with resin buildings now out too, my current HO predictions list is the following:

Stepney, Daisy, or Stanley
Green LBSC Thomas
Troublesome Truck #6
Flat Wagon with Pipes

I'll openly ask to everyone, does announcing three new toolings (ex. HO Scale Stepney, Narrow Gauge Peter Sam, and N Scale James) sound unreasonable for 2020 (even if it is Thomas' 75th Anniversary, and all three of these sell extremely well)?


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: TrainMan2001 on April 15, 2019, 01:06:19 AM
I don't think it sounds completely unreasonable, considering 2016 when Rosie, Rheneas, the slate wagons, Oliver, and the large scale box vans all had to be done, not to mention the Sound decoders. However, considering the slower runs with Bachmann in recent years, and that they said the new N scale line won't be out until 2020, I wouldn't be surprised if they don't announce anything new for the N scale line. I still feel like it's a little too early to tell what could happen next year since, barring N scale, we only have the new HO scale repaints, Rusty, and the narrow gauge coaches to wait for. Depending on how early all of these get released, what could happen next year would vary quite a lot.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Chaz on April 15, 2019, 01:08:33 AM
Considering that those would be for individual ranges I say that is a completely reasonable assumption.  In 2015 we had four new tooling announcements (not including the resin buildings or the square water tower) which were Oliver for HO, Skarloey for the start of the new NG line, and the large scale Winston and ice cream wagon during the 70th anniversary.

If we get new toolings next year, the most I could see us getting would be Peter Sam and brake vans for narrow gauge along with an N scale James.  Maybe we could get a new HO engine tooling next year as a surprise for 2020 but I wonít hold my breath on that one.  

Trainman2001 also does bring up a good point that they could announce nothing for N scale and that is entirely possible considering how narrow gauge got no announcements this year with Rusty and the coaches being held back.  That being said, I would imagine they at least have plans for James and possibly a Thomas starter set for N scale to help people get into the new range so itís possible we might only get those and then the following year we would only get rolling stock announcements like tankers and wagon recolors.  


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Cheeky_ULP on April 15, 2019, 12:20:53 PM
Right I see your point but Silver Spencer canít be that much of a stretch. I mean that would sell pretty good
I didn't include Silver Spencer because I feel like that's a different category. That should be less of a limited edition, and more just an update to his normal model, in a similar way they fixed up James. It all depends however, on how big of a seller Spencer currently is.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: JLK2707 on April 16, 2019, 08:48:21 AM
Yeah. Maybe troublesome truck 6 can just be a tar tanker wagon!:)


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Rodimus Supreme on April 16, 2019, 02:39:16 PM
My predictions (question marks indicate possibilities Iím not sure about):

HO Scale:

Engines:
(Any combination of two of these, if two are made):

-Stepney.
-Daisy.
-Sidney.
-LBSC Thomas.
-Black James.

Rolling Stock:

-Red Express Composite Coach.
-Red Express Brake Coach.
-Troublesome Truck #6 (Brown or orange Ice Cream Van mold with a face).
-Explosives Van(?)
-Flat Bed with Pipes/rails/(?)

If vehicles, Trevor or Bulgy would be nice, heck, even Jack would be neat.

If resin buildings, probably another station like Farquhar Station or Wellsworth Station.

Narrow Gauge:

Engines:

-Peter Sam OR Sir Handel.

Rolling Stock:

-Brake Van - Brown.

Large Scale (if anything):

Rolling Stock:

-Red Branch Line Composite Coach.
-Red Branch Line Brake Coach.

N Scale:

Engines:

-James.
-Edward(?)

Rolling Stock:

-Red Branch Line Composite Coach.
-Red Branch Line Brake Coach.
-Troublesome Truck #3(?)


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: STL on April 16, 2019, 03:42:20 PM
The only new tooling I expect to be announced next year is a NG engine, Peter Sam seems the obvious choice, and maybe some NG rolling stock, maybe. MAYBE a new HO tooling but Unlikely. The only new N announcement I could see is a set or two, cause not having a starter set for an entire new range? Iím sorry, but thatís stupid.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Chaz on April 17, 2019, 02:17:57 AM
I have a feeling that as production goes on for the new N scale models, they will probably announce a Thomas starter set for 2020.  They donít even need to announce a Percy set, just a standard oval of track with Thomas with Annie and Clarabel should do the job by helping people collect the new range.

On that note, Iím still surprised Bachmann never announced a starter set for the narrow gauge range.  Maybe that will change if Bachmann has plans to announce more rolling stock for that range (like brake vans) and it would be as simple as having it be an oval of track with Skarloey, two wagons and a brake van.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: rjmets41 on April 17, 2019, 09:11:52 AM
I have a feeling that as production goes on for the new N scale models, they will probably announce a Thomas starter set for 2020.  They donít even need to announce a Percy set, just a standard oval of track with Thomas with Annie and Clarabel should do the job by helping people collect the new range.

On that note, Iím still surprised Bachmann never announced a starter set for the narrow gauge range.  Maybe that will change if Bachmann has plans to announce more rolling stock for that range (like brake vans) and it would be as simple as having it be an oval of track with Skarloey, two wagons and a brake van.

That is what I am holding out for. I would really like to get some narrow gauge stuff, but it is not worth it needed to buy the track and trucks too.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: TrainMan2001 on April 17, 2019, 10:28:10 AM
I suppose I should get my predictions in before it's too late.

HO Scale:
As much as I would like to see Stepney, it doesn't seem like we are going to get more new toolings for HO scale at this point in time. Maybe if the brand gets taken over by someone other than Mattel, I could see that changing, but Mattel currently doesn't seem to care that Bachmann is supposed to be more realistic than Trackmaster or Wood (I'm looking at the Sodor Mining Co. Wagon and Live Lobsters Wagons specifically). With that said, I will post what I think will happen next year.

-LBSC Thomas
-Black James

I am going to say now that Mattel should stop pushing the pointless wagon recolors from Bachmann. They just don't fit the theme of the range well and those resources could be used in other areas instead. There are also currently 42 pieces of rolling stock in the range, 11 of which are recolors from the toy lines that we just never really needed. People probably aren't even going to collect all of them anyways, especially since there are still quite a few wagons that have actually been in the show. If we absolutely have to have a wagon recolor next year, I suggest a Celebration Coach, keeping with the 75th Anniversary theme and maybe being a Red Coach recolor with banners or something on the side with a 75th Anniversary logo. Then the recolors can stop there. We don't need almost a third of the rolling stock being stuff from the toy lines that don't fit with the appearance of the range or what the range is supposed to be.

Narrow Gauge:
I know that the rolling stock recolors aren't that expensive for bachmann to produce, but without the added cost of those announcements, maybe they would be just enough for them to squeeze in two new engines rather than one next year, especially since the range is so popular. Also, this year there have been a few limited edition items released in Bachmann's normal range, which are no doubt going to be popular since they are tied to the Golden Spike. Maybe these items will be enough to subsidize Bachmann's normal ranges next year, leaving more funds for the Thomas range (yes, I know this is wishful thinking). With that said, here are my thoughts.

-Peter Sam
-Sir Handel

Narrow gauge modelers have been asking for both of these engines almost equally because of all of the different real engines they could be turned into. Done correctly (which is almost no effort other than rivets for both), they will both be extremely accurate to their bases, and they will have even more appeal to modelers than Skarloey and Rheneas. These two could easily be freelance industrial locomotives, visitors to other lines, the Corris Railway could easily be modeled for the first time. They also have several variations within the Thomas universe as well, which some people will probably model.

-Brake Vans (Red, Blue, and Brown)

I think that brake vans could also possibly happen in 2020, however that entirely depends on when the Blue and Red Carriages get released, and if Bachmann can do this many new toolings for the Thomas range this year. Although, even if they can't do brake vans this year, they could probably do them in 2021, and there are alternatives in the meantime. Elsbridge Productions has made 3D printed ones, and Peco have 3 different types of brake vans on the way, so we could get some place holders until Bachmann can announce some.

N Scale:
Bachmann themselves confirmed that the new range will not be out before 2020 in their TCA Spring video. I think that they may produce a starter set with Thomas, Annie and Clarabel, but I wouldn't be surprised if this range is otherwise left untouched for this year.

Large Scale:
I feel like the Large Scale modelers deserve something nice, since they haven't gotten anything for a long time. Maybe a new engine is possible next year, since nothing was announced.

-Mavis

She would be fairly easy for Bachmann to produce, sharing the same chassis design as Toby, after all. She also seems to be somewhat popular as well, considering she is the third engine to get a Day Out with Thomas model. However, Plow Bender has brought up several good points about why both a new engine and a diesel wouldn't get as good of sales as we would hope for, and considering Bachmann Large Scale in general has been thinned out considerably over the last few years, I could see why a new engine couldn't be made.

-Red Coach
-Red Brake Coach

People have been hoping for them to make these in large scale for years, and they are really popular in HO, so they could be really popular in Large Scale too. It also wouldn't be that difficult for Bachmann to make these.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Rodimus Supreme on April 17, 2019, 02:36:13 PM
Iím gonna narrow down my list of engines Bachmann could make. I had thought that Black James would have a better possibility than LBSC Thomas, considering he has a history and LBSC Thomas was only created for The Adventure Begins, But now Iím thinking that Bachmann could possibly want to do a new mold for the 75th Anniversary, so if they did I think Iíll put my money on LBSC Thomas for a repaint alongside Stepney as a new mold.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Falcon the 2nd on April 17, 2019, 07:16:11 PM
I suppose I should get my predictions in before it's too late.

HO Scale:
As much as I would like to see Stepney, it doesn't seem like we are going to get more new toolings for HO scale at this point in time. Maybe if the brand gets taken over by someone other than Mattel, I could see that changing, but Mattel currently doesn't seem to care that Bachmann is supposed to be more realistic than Trackmaster or Wood (I'm looking at the Sodor Mining Co. Wagon and Live Lobsters Wagons specifically). With that said, I will post what I think will happen next year.

-LBSC Thomas
-Black James

I am going to say now that Mattel should stop pushing the pointless wagon recolors from Bachmann. They just don't fit the theme of the range well and those resources could be used in other areas instead. There are also currently 42 pieces of rolling stock in the range, 11 of which are recolors from the toy lines that we just never really needed. People probably aren't even going to collect all of them anyways, especially since there are still quite a few wagons that have actually been in the show. If we absolutely have to have a wagon recolor next year, I suggest a Celebration Coach, keeping with the 75th Anniversary theme and maybe being a Red Coach recolor with banners or something on the side with a 75th Anniversary logo. Then the recolors can stop there. We don't need almost a third of the rolling stock being stuff from the toy lines that don't fit with the appearance of the range or what the range is supposed to be.

Narrow Gauge:
I know that the rolling stock recolors aren't that expensive for bachmann to produce, but without the added cost of those announcements, maybe they would be just enough for them to squeeze in two new engines rather than one next year, especially since the range is so popular. Also, this year there have been a few limited edition items released in Bachmann's normal range, which are no doubt going to be popular since they are tied to the Golden Spike. Maybe these items will be enough to subsidize Bachmann's normal ranges next year, leaving more funds for the Thomas range (yes, I know this is wishful thinking). With that said, here are my thoughts.

-Peter Sam
-Sir Handel

Narrow gauge modelers have been asking for both of these engines almost equally because of all of the different real engines they could be turned into. Done correctly (which is almost no effort other than rivets for both), they will both be extremely accurate to their bases, and they will have even more appeal to modelers than Skarloey and Rheneas. These two could easily be freelance industrial locomotives, visitors to other lines, the Corris Railway could easily be modeled for the first time. They also have several variations within the Thomas universe as well, which some people will probably model.

-Brake Vans (Red, Blue, and Brown)

I think that brake vans could also possibly happen in 2020, however that entirely depends on when the Blue and Red Carriages get released, and if Bachmann can do this many new toolings for the Thomas range this year. Although, even if they can't do brake vans this year, they could probably do them in 2021, and there are alternatives in the meantime. Elsbridge Productions has made 3D printed ones, and Peco have 3 different types of brake vans on the way, so we could get some place holders until Bachmann can announce some.

N Scale:
Bachmann themselves confirmed that the new range will not be out before 2020 in their TCA Spring video. I think that they may produce a starter set with Thomas, Annie and Clarabel, but I wouldn't be surprised if this range is otherwise left untouched for this year.

Large Scale:
I feel like the Large Scale modelers deserve something nice, since they haven't gotten anything for a long time. Maybe a new engine is possible next year, since nothing was announced.

-Mavis

She would be fairly easy for Bachmann to produce, sharing the same chassis design as Toby, after all. She also seems to be somewhat popular as well, considering she is the third engine to get a Day Out with Thomas model. However, Plow Bender has brought up several good points about why both a new engine and a diesel wouldn't get as good of sales as we would hope for, and considering Bachmann Large Scale in general has been thinned out considerably over the last few years, I could see why a new engine couldn't be made.

-Red Coach
-Red Brake Coach

People have been hoping for them to make these in large scale for years, and they are really popular in HO, so they could be really popular in Large Scale too. It also wouldn't be that difficult for Bachmann to make these.

A host of good points are made here, especially with all the HO wagon recolors that have overstayed their welcome. By sheer coincidence, my predictions are pretty much idendical to yours! :P


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: CC55 on April 18, 2019, 02:53:56 AM
Hey All!
     After just reading about Bachmann's new license for selling in the UK and other places, I am more hopeful about getting a new tooling next year, so here are my predictions/hopes. Some of my predictions are not things I think will happen, but I hope for. I ordered them from most wanted to least wanted by me.

HO Scale:
 Engines:
  -Daisy: I would like to see Daisy because she has been in the T&F world for a long time and would be an interesting tooling that even people outside of T&F would be interested in.
  -Reintroduced Salty: Salty is such a prominent character in the show and it would be easy for Bachmann to recreate him. One thing I'd like to see on the reintroduced Salty would be for him to have his red head lamp. I also wonder if they'd make his face CGI or leave him model series.
  -Stepney: Although not top of my list, I'd like to see how Bachmann would interpret Stepney and he could very well be produced because of all the demand.
  -Ryan: If Daisy is made, I could see Bachmann making Ryan to complete the engines on the Harwick Branch Line. He would be an interesting color and a nice addition to the tank engines that we already have.
  -LBSC Thomas or Black James: If we have to have an engine repaint, I would suggest these because of the 75th Anniversary. I think I would like to see Black James more than LBSC Thomas but I don't have a huge preference.
  -Hiro or BoCo: These two are just long shots in my dreams but i just thought I would put them out there.  ;)

     These engines would be great additions to the line. If Bachmann's budget for T&F will in fact be bigger, I could see one new tooling (hopefully Daisy), the reintroduction of Salty (because they already have the tooling), and an engine repaint (for the 75th Anniversary).

 Rolling Stock:
   -Flatbed with Pipes, Rails, Hay, Crates, or Stacked Wood: I would love to see the stacked cut wood or the hay bales on flatbeds.
   -Well Wagon & Conflats: I would really like to see the well wagons because they are used a lot in the show. For the conflats
   -Troublesome Truck #6: We will most likely get another troublesome truck so I hope it will be a tanker. A tanker would be nice addition to the range.

There is probably more rolling stock that I'll add, but I'll add them in later.

  Buildings:
   -Harwick: I know this is a newer destination, but if Daisy is made, then it'd be a good idea to make these to increase each others sales.
   -Crovan's Gate: This would be an awesome station because it merges narrow gauge and HO scale.
   -Narrow Gauge Shed's: It would be amazing to get one or two sheds because it is hard to find sheds that fit HOn30.
   -Bluff's Cove: I know it's a small station but it would be cool to see and I would love it if they included the green metal bridge.
   -Vicarstown: Ok so this one would be pretty big so I'm not sure if it would happen but I think it would be a cool station.

Narrow Gauge:
  Engines:
   -Sir Handel: I think either Sir Handel or Peter Sam will be made. The only reason I put Sir Handel above is personal preference. I really like the way Sir Handel looks and would love to see how Bachmann interprets that.
   -Peter Sam: I would also be fine with Peter Sam. I am good either way.

  Rolling Stock:
   -Blue Mountain Quarry Wagons: I would love seeing the green and red BMQ wagons. I don't know if this would be a long shot or not but it'd be really happy seeing these.
   -Brake Vans - Multi Colored: These would be an awesome addition to the range.

N Scale: I'm not sure if there will be any new announcements for n scale but here are some hopes.
  Engines
I like this plan by really called thomas but I'm not sure it'll play out:

In futures years ideally 1 tender/long engine and 1 small engine along with 2 coaches and 2 goods wagons. For example:

Gordon/Duck, Green Express Composite Coach/Green Express Brake Coach/Tar Tanker/Troublesome van
Henry/Oliver, Red Branchline Coach/Red Branchline Brake Coach/Toad/Sodor Fuel Tanker
Daisy/Toby, Henrietta/Sodor Mail Coach/SC Ruffey/Troublesome Tanker

Large Scale:
  Engines: I am just giving suggestions for these because I do not collect them but I think some of these would be nice.
   -Edward: Even though I'm not sure if tendered engines would be made, if they are, I feel that Edward would be an awesome addition.
   -Duck: He would be a great tank engine and a great addition.
   -Mavis: She would be a great female character to add to the line.

  Rolling Stock:
   -Red Branch Line Coaches: These are pretty much a given.
   -New Troublesome Truck: I think this would be good because even though there are a lot of rolling stock, there are barely any troublesome trucks.

Hope you guys like these ideas and let me know if any of these seem way too unrealistic. Just remember these are not all for this year, these are just variations that I hope would happen. See you guys later!

       -CC55


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: STL on April 18, 2019, 10:29:06 AM
Not for nothing, but unless the LS range gets any sort of resurgence after it enters the UK market, I donít see them making anything else but existing rolling stock. And Iím pretty sure theyíre not making resin buildings anymore.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: TrainMan2001 on April 18, 2019, 11:11:43 AM
The Large Scale range is already in the UK market. It wasn't against the licensing deal for Bachmann to sell them there.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Zekeism on April 18, 2019, 04:17:26 PM
What would be cool if they sold the flatbed on it's own.

Then sell crates, poles, logs, paint pots, planks, hay bales separately, that way we can change the loads. 


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: CC55 on April 18, 2019, 05:48:21 PM
What would be cool if they sold the flatbed on it's own.

Then sell crates, poles, logs, paint pots, planks, hay bales separately, that way we can change the loads. 

That's a good idea but I'm not sure if Bachmann would do that because it might lower sales if they do instead of just selling the whole package. I would definitely get them if Bachmann did but since the range is angled to kids more, I'm not sure they'd think people would buy it. Just my thought but let me know if you guys think differently.
     -CC55


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Chaz on April 25, 2019, 12:30:45 AM
Well I figured I would jump in the bandwagon and do some in-depth thoughts on what I think will happen next year and possibly the year after:

For HO, Iím still standing by my belief that we will probably keep getting recolors for both engines and rolling stock.  For engines, Iím really leaning towards the LBSC Thomas and Black James.  Both of these have been talked about for a while now and hold the right amount of nostalgia from older fans as well as familiarity with the younger audiences, being that the special would have been out for five years after the Adventure Begins.  They seem like the safest bet and would have higher sales than Sidney would who is also a recolor.

However - if we do get a new engine tooling, I personally donít think itís going to be either Stepney or Daisy (Although I do prefer these two, Stepney especially).  Instead, Iím willing to bet that itís going to be Ryan, hereís why: he has the right amount of appeal with older and younger audiences, has a simple body to work with tooling wise, and offers a colorful contrast that Mattel would more likely approve and would be more appropriate for Bachmannís budget and offer better sales than stupid Nia and Rebecca (no matter how much mattel would push for them..).

HO rolling stock wise, I literally have no expectations there.  Considering that we are going to keep getting more recolors Iím betting thatís all we are going to keep getting.  Maybe the red express coaches with a brighter red livery that matches whatís on the show.  Aside from that, thatís all I can think of.

Narrow gauge is self-explanatory but Iíll go over again anyway.  I think that once Rusty is released (which is hopefully soon) Bachmann will start to make plans to announce another engine.  Personally my money is on Peter Sam, with Sir Handel as a close second.  Rolling stock wise, once the coaches are out, or even if they are possibly pushed to 2020, I would bet on getting brake vans next.  Iím still surprised they didnít get announced alongside the coaches last year but now they seem to be a shoe-in for the next pieces of narrow gauge rolling stock.

Large scale I think will add Bluetooth and sound to their current lineup of locomotives and maybe make a separate module like they did for DCC so fans can add Bluetooth and sound to any of their own Thomas engines.  Possibly introduce a new Thomas starter set with the Bluetooth and sound feature too.  

Donít know what to expect for that range rolling stock wise since they keep aiming for recolors in that range.  The red coaches would be the most preferred choice if it came down to it, but I wonít hold my breath on those either, let alone a new tooling like Henrietta.

Now for N scale, the range that I once again, really want to talk about. If we do get any engines and stock, my thoughts are the same as before with James and tanker variants as well as wagon recolors.  However, since the launch of the new range itself wonít happen until 2020, I think itís fairly likely that these will probably not make their way too.

That doesnít mean that I donít think anything will get announced.  If anything, I think while the range is still new and wonít be out for some time, Bachmann if anything should get around to announcing a Thomas starter set to help newcomers into the range.

For the older and more experienced modelers, I say Bachmann should announce DCC and sound variants of Thomas and Percy.  Only reason why it wouldnít be the case in HO is that itís a lot harder to fit a decoder and a sound module with a microphone in the models, hence why they only released an analog Thomas model and left it at that.  With N scale on the other hand, Bachmann can jump on this one quickly, giving fans the option to either start with either the standard analog models, or if fans want to go the full mile, buy models with DCC and sound.  Plus if they jump on this now instead of later, when they get around to future releases like James, Toby, Edward, Emily, etc they can simply announce both an analog model and a DCC sound model alongside always giving fans the option of doing one or the other.   Doing this and making a Thomas starter set would be the smartest choice for 2020 and would allow Bachmann to continue to work on the Thomas and Percy models without having to worry about a third new tooling until everything is released.  


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: TrainshockeylifE on April 26, 2019, 02:34:33 PM
Does anyone else wonder if Bachmann has thought of making a replica model of Thomas and other characters just like CoolProps?


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: STL on April 26, 2019, 05:04:46 PM
If they had, they would've made the LS stock Gauge 1 not Gauge 3 :P


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: JLK2707 on May 18, 2019, 07:47:08 PM
Good point! :)


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: TerencetheTractor525 on July 01, 2019, 10:09:09 AM
So, in all honesty, last night I had a dream:

I and some other Thomas fans were walking around the iHobby Expo, and we suddenly came across the Bachmann booth. We saw Doug Blaine and Jack Lynch there and decided to go talk to them. Apparently, Stepney had been announced for 2020, as one of the Thomas fans who I was with told them how grateful we were to see Stepney coming to the Bachmann range to celebrate the 75th Anniversary! Mr. Lynch explained to us that it was extremely challenging to get Mattel to agree to this and that heís holding us accountable with Stepneyís sales (as a joke), since so many people on the forum stated that Stepney would be an extremely strong seller. Finally, Doug Blaine said that the Bachmann team was aware that there have not been any new toolings for the HO Thomas range in some time, and that they wanted to do something special for Thomasí 75th Anniversary. Then, I woke up.

Overall, this is pretty ironic considering that I typed in ďDreaming of a Bachmann StepneyĒ a few days ago, but letís keep the excitement for Stepney going! We all want him, and this dream could be foreshadowing something...


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: thomas fan on July 08, 2019, 05:46:43 PM
I think that a Stepney would be amazing idea because that would be the last of the trains in the rail way series books[not the diesels]

  I also think that a Stanly,Ryan,and some more resin buildings should be made.
  
  just got an idea Bachmann should make a thomas and the magic railroad set with diesel 10 and Thomas but its DCC with the same layout as there other DCC sets, correct me if i'm wrong but that would be realy cool. 8)


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: thomas fan on July 08, 2019, 08:12:28 PM
I think for narrow gauge Duncan would be a very nice model  ROLLING STOCK: blue brake van,red brake van,brown brake van.
 
     

     


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: JLK2707 on July 09, 2019, 06:10:16 AM
A re-released TAR tanker wagon would just be great! :)


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Rodimus Supreme on July 09, 2019, 12:34:07 PM
I think that a Stepney would be amazing idea because that would be the last of the trains in the rail way series books[not the diesels]

  I also think that a Stanly,Ryan,and some more resin buildings should be made.
  
  just got an idea Bachmann should make a thomas and the magic railroad set with diesel 10 and Thomas but its DCC with the same layout as there other DCC sets, correct me if i'm wrong but that would be realy cool. 8)
Diesel 10ís claw breaches NMRA standards, so they wouldnít be allowed to make him even if they wanted to.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: thomas fan on July 09, 2019, 12:38:31 PM
it's just an idea that I think is cool.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: JLK2707 on July 10, 2019, 07:49:17 AM
What do you think is just so cool about it thomas fan?


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: thomas fan on July 10, 2019, 07:59:34 AM
  
  just got an idea Bachmann should make a thomas and the magic railroad set with diesel 10 and Thomas but its DCC with the same layout as there other DCC sets, correct me if i'm wrong but that would be realy cool. 8)
   that's what I though was cool. ;)


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: HLC Railroad on July 10, 2019, 07:16:40 PM
One of the biggest engineering challenges with daisy is getting the eye mechanism and I personally think it would be easier to make they eye mechanism turn as her bogies turn instead of just turning back and forth in a rhythm... and it would make it a little more realistic, making sense as to what her eyes are looking at. Just an idea...


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: thomas fan on July 10, 2019, 08:24:01 PM
I though of a idea for the diesels with moving eyes and it's were you put the motor on the body and have a rod come from the motor and at the other end of the rod have some gears that go to the wheel sets and the other end of the motor goes to the gears of the moving eyes [fond this method on an old TYCO diesel just so you know].
 
 :) ;) :D ;D :) ;) :D ;D :) ;) :D ;D


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: TerencetheTractor525 on July 10, 2019, 10:57:33 PM
If Daisy gets made, I personally wouldnít mind if they omit the eye mechanism entirely if it means that we could get proper windows. Seeing that the Large Scale Winston does not have a moving eye mechanism, I donít see any shame if Daisy does not have one either.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: thomas fan on July 11, 2019, 12:48:05 PM
I agree.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: STL on July 12, 2019, 10:52:22 AM
If Daisy gets made, I personally wouldnít mind if they omit the eye mechanism entirely if it means that we could get proper windows. Seeing that the Large Scale Winston does not have a moving eye mechanism, I donít see any shame if Daisy does not have one either.
well this aged well


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: STL on July 12, 2019, 11:10:13 AM
How the hell is that rude?


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Streak on July 12, 2019, 11:11:07 AM
Yeah, heís just making an observation. How is that rude?


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: thomas fan on July 12, 2019, 11:18:01 AM
I'm sorry,I was not thinking of what I was saying[I haven't eaten breakfast]I will get rid of the comment.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: TrainFan97 on July 12, 2019, 03:14:44 PM
Now that Daisy, Troublesome Truck #6, and Peter Sam just got announced out of the blue, here's what I could expect Bachmann to announce in February of 2020:

HO Scale:
LBSC Thomas, Black James, or Sidney
Explosives Van
Chocolate Syrup Tanker
Toffee Tanker

Narrow Gauge:
Sir Handel
Brake Van (Blue)
Brake Van (Red)
Brake Van (Brown)

N Scale:
James
Mail Car
Milk Tanker

Since Troublesome Truck #6 is a tanker, I'd like #7 to be a Ventilated Van.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Chaz on July 12, 2019, 07:07:11 PM
With these surprise announcements coming out of nowhere this morning, I really canít say I expect all that much at the toy fair next year.  If anything I expect only some brake vans for the narrow gauge range and a starter set for the N scale range since what just got announced today has already been confirmed to be out in 2020.  Itís also possible that they could even be out later than than that too.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: thomas fan on July 12, 2019, 07:41:15 PM
now we should start talking about 2021 :P


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: TrainFan97 on July 12, 2019, 10:38:36 PM
Good point, Chaz.

It's like we just got the 2020 announcements early. Like you said, they may not have that many new things to announce at the Toy Fair in 2020. Most likely, they would announce things like Narrow Gauge Brake Vans, and an N Scale starter set. What would REALLY be nice is a Narrow Gauge starter set with Skarloey.

Any day now, they should post images of the Narrow Gauge Coaches, which were announced last year. Hopefully, not too long from now. At least another engine (Peter Sam) is on the horizon.

As for what was announced at the Toy Fair this year, Red Rosie might show up in stock any day now, along with the new open wagons, and the Flatbed with Logs.

What was announced today, which were Daisy, Troublesome Truck #6, the 1-Plank wagons, and Peter Sam, are all coming our way in 2020, or later. The products that should be out this year are Red Rosie, the new open wagons, and the Flatbed with Logs. Let's not forget the Narrow Gauge Coaches. We got those to look forward to.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Trainboy 48 on July 14, 2019, 11:28:51 PM
Well now that we got what we asked for next year hereís my expects for 2021:

HO Scale
Ryan, Stanley or Sidney
Explosives Van

Narrow Gauge
Sir Handel
Green Narrow Gauge Coaches (The only rolling stocks I think of for narrow gauge)

Resin Buildings
Ffarquhar
The Watermill


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Rodimus Supreme on July 14, 2019, 11:53:38 PM
Well now that we got what we asked for next year hereís my expects for 2021:

HO Scale
Ryan, Stanley or Sidney
Explosives Van

Narrow Gauge
Sir Handel
Green Narrow Gauge Coaches (The only rolling stocks I think of for narrow gauge)

Resin Buildings
Ffarquhar
The Watermill
Thereís also Brakevans for Narrow Gauge.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: TerencetheTractor525 on July 15, 2019, 12:37:12 AM
Well now that we got what we asked for next year hereís my expects for 2021:

HO Scale
Ryan, Stanley or Sidney
Explosives Van

Narrow Gauge
Sir Handel
Green Narrow Gauge Coaches (The only rolling stocks I think of for narrow gauge)

Resin Buildings
Ffarquhar
The Watermill

Where's Stepney?  ;)


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Chaz on July 15, 2019, 01:01:31 AM
Iím thinking at this point with how long it will take Bachmann to release Peter Sam and Daisy, they probably will not introduce a new engine tooling for those ranges until they are released.  Itís especially evident in the fact that Peter Sam got announced just two months after Rusty did.  So in some ways if it means waiting as long as we did for Oliver and Rusty to get two high quality models and future announcements like Stepney and Sir Handel, I say itís worth the wait.

The good news though is that now that the coaches are going to be released in November (or possibly December), I have a feeling that we could get some new narrow gauge rolling stock toolings in the next Toy Fair, considering the timeline between Rustyís release and Peter Samís announcement.  So if the only narrow gauge announcement is just brake vans and everything else in HO is nothing but recolors then that is perfectly okay on my end.  Weíre clearly getting good quality products of things we have been requesting so I am more than okay with them keeping things minimal in Toy Fair 2020. :)

Of course Iím more curious what toolings they will use for narrow gauge brake vans if they get announced at the 2020 Toy Fair but thatís a discussion for another day.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: STL on July 15, 2019, 12:08:06 PM
At most, I expect maybe a Narrow Gauge Brake van, maybe 2 variants but nothing more from the NG range in 2020


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: thomas fan on July 15, 2019, 01:00:41 PM
I got some more ideas for Bachmann,
  HO SCALE
     Stepney,Sidney,Stanly,green Thomas and black James
     explosives van,HECTOR,flat beds
  N SCALE
    James
  narrow gauge
     Sir Handel
     brake vans and green coaches.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Chaz on July 16, 2019, 01:11:22 AM
All right, I might as well talk about whatís probably the only thing I want in the Toy Fair 2020 announcements: Narrow gauge brake vans.

Itís common knowledge that there are four liveries for narrow gauge brake vans on the show.  Red, blue, brown and gray.  But what is even more interesting is that there are two different options for toolings that Bachmann Trains could work with while making brake vans for the narrow gauge range. There are a number of different ways they can be pulled off, so, rather than just talking about each individual color, I am going to talk about the offerings with each of these brake vans.

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ttte/images/3/37/CoraBasis.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150630115405)
The first and probably most obvious tooling I would expect them to go for is the Talyllyn Railwayís tool van no. 6 design with added ticket windows to both sides of the van just like the show.

(http://i66.tinypic.com/34pj1xh.png)
The television series has used all four liveries mentioned above with this basis.  Interestingly enough, only the brown one made it to CGI.

My only personal hope for if they use this tooling is that they actually do follow up with adding the ticket windows on both sides of the brake van to match television series accuracy and not go with the Talyllyn design and and darker brown livery for this one.  Especially because a lot of people do like the classic charm these would bring like how the blue narrow gauge coach did.

(http://i68.tinypic.com/2iql2ef.jpg)
With the first tooling out of the way, itís time to talk about the second tooling which is the Talyllyn Railway #5 guards van.  

After seeing how the coaches turned out, it really would not surprise me to see this tooling make its way into the Bachmann range.  It would seem appropriate given how the red coach was basically a Talyllyn coach, a red brake van with this design would basically be a Talyllyn brake van.

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ttte/images/4/4b/MainNGBrakeVanCGI2.png/revision/latest?cb=20190104060436)
Now seeing as how there is only a red one in CGI in this basis I figured I would just throw this one out there, but there is also a blue one they could potentially do to go along with the blue coach as well if they wished.


So for the big question.  What are the possibilities we are looking at?  Well here are a few I came up with that I would hope gets considered in the process if we are to get brown blue and red brake vans in narrow gauge (leaving out the gray one since I donít recall it being as popular as the other three):

Option 1: The simple and easy possibility is to do brown blue and red with the #6 tooling with added ticket windows earlier to match whatís on the show and save Bachmann money and resources to just rely on one tooling.

Option 2: Making a brown brake van in the television series design and have the red and blue brake vans be the #5 tooling.

Option 3: Making the brown and blue brake vans with the television series design and only have the red brake van be the Talyllyn brake van #5 design.

Personally, I would be perfectly fine with either of these scenarios but I am more hopeful for options 1 and 3 for again the nostalgic reasons.  

Either way I would like to hear thoughts on these.  Which of the options that I mentioned earlier do you like the most?  Or do you have any other ideas?  What would you do differently?


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: TerencetheTractor525 on July 16, 2019, 01:29:32 PM
As always, I enjoyed reading your thoughts very much, Chaz. Thereís no doubt that brake vans are the next thing that the Bachmann Thomas Narrow Gauge line needs. As for what they choose to base the brake vans on, I would personally prefer the original television series design from the model series, but Option #3 would be interesting to see too. The main thing thatís important to me though is that the television series brake vans are shorter than the carriages.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Angelob6660 on July 16, 2019, 06:12:02 PM
I like the brake vans with the ticket window being blue and red matching the carriages. While the brown one is use for freight service.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Rodimus Supreme on July 16, 2019, 07:57:02 PM
I prefer Option 1 because I just prefer Model series for designs that originated there. Although, I wouldnít mind Bachmann producing that red Brake van later on for use with the red coaches, as modelers who bought Skarloey to turn him into Tallyllyn would absolutely buy that up for use with their custom Tallyllyn model and unmodded Red Narrow Gauge Coaches on their layouts.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Chaz on July 17, 2019, 02:22:26 PM
Definitely interested in seeing these responses so far.  Hopefully Bachmann takes the suggestions into consideration if they decide to announce brake vans in the next Toy Fair.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: JLK2707 on July 17, 2019, 08:19:23 PM
What do you think the chances are of bachmann announcing Stepney?


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: thomas fan on July 18, 2019, 03:43:08 PM
slim but let just hope.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: JLK2707 on July 18, 2019, 07:48:59 PM
So, in other words, just wishful thinking or optimism?


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Metal on July 19, 2019, 01:06:57 AM
For NG rolling stock I was personally thinking about these

Regular Trucks/Narrow Gauge Open Wagons or however you like to call them.
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ttte/images/c/c8/Granpuff33.png/revision/latest?cb=20160116205242)

As seen on the second half of Sir Handel's Train
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ttte/images/a/a8/SteamRoller29.png/revision/latest?cb=20190424211652)

As seen in CGI.
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ttte/images/2/2d/SkarloeyRailwayTrucks.png/revision/latest?cb=20140310213929)

Even though they're generic wagons they would really help build NG goods trains.

I would happily welcome these.

What do you think?


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: JLK2707 on July 19, 2019, 09:27:56 AM
I think that they just look great! :)


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: TerencetheTractor525 on July 19, 2019, 02:26:40 PM
The narrow gauge mining wagons (that's what I like to call them  ;)) would certainly be welcome additions to the narrow gauge line, but I think that the narrow gauge brake vans are still the current priority among Thomas fans.

Another thing regarding narrow gauge that I find interesting is that Bachmann decided to use the term "carriage" instead of "coach" for the red and blue coaches. Hence, what if Bachmann uses the term "guard's van" instead of "brake van" for the narrow gauge brake vans? I know that this really isn't that big of deal, but it would certainly be interesting to see  :).


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: thomas fan on July 19, 2019, 06:03:43 PM
Honestly I like the idea of the narrow gauge trucks.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Chaz on July 19, 2019, 09:31:01 PM
I personally wouldnít mind having new wagons, especially since Peco recolor was never a popular seller popular.  However, I think brake vans should take priority before any other piece of narrow gauge rolling stock gets considered.  Especially after the coaches get out.
 
Regarding what they would be called, I could see them going by the term ďguard vanĒ myself.  Just as long as we get all three liveries next year at toy fair Iíll be happy.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: TrainFan97 on July 20, 2019, 04:21:40 PM
If there's anything Bachmann should announce next Toy Fair, it's Narrow Gauge Brake Vans. I'm also hoping for an N Scale starter set with Thomas, or even a Narrow Gauge starter set with Skarloey. The Bachmann Skarloey line has been around for four years, and there's still no set for it. With a Skarloey set, people can finally have a more convenient way to start their Narrow Gauge collection.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: rjmets41 on July 20, 2019, 08:53:56 PM
If there's anything Bachmann should announce next Toy Fair, it's Narrow Gauge Brake Vans. I'm also hoping for an N Scale starter set with Thomas, or even a Narrow Gauge starter set with Skarloey. The Bachmann Skarloey line has been around for four years, and there's still no set for it. With a Skarloey set, people can finally have a more convenient way to start their Narrow Gauge collection.

That is really what I am hoping for, especially if they do a Skarloey set with passenger cars, I am all in @Bachmann


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Angelob6660 on July 21, 2019, 01:44:12 PM
If they wanted to make a Narrow Gauge train with Skarloey or Rheneas it would've been made already with 3 cars. 2 slate wagons with 1 box van or gondola.

I do believe Bachmann are making N Scale Thomas, Annie and Clarabel train set with a circle of track.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: SeanrailAnimations on July 22, 2019, 06:22:05 PM
With Bachmann announcing Daisy, Peter Sam, Troublesome Truck 6 and the re-introducted conflats at the NMRA show for 2020 Release, I give my suggestions for the toy fair announcement in 2020.

HO

Stepney

Reintroduced Salty

Trevor

009

Brakevans


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: JLK2707 on July 23, 2019, 05:35:39 AM
Nice suggestions. I really hope that bachmann brings Salty back.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Chaz on July 27, 2019, 03:33:05 PM
Last night I stayed at Jayís (Decadesofsun) and while going through his rolling stock projects I thought it would be a good idea to bring these to Bachmannís attention.

Starting things off with Fred and Rickety.

(http://i67.tinypic.com/2iuys1t.jpg)

(http://i66.tinypic.com/35chr42.jpg)

(http://i68.tinypic.com/5phoq9.jpg)

(http://i65.tinypic.com/o8hq9k.jpg)

Itís common knowledge that these two were announced and cancelled in 2005, hence how we managed to get the blue open wagon and the cargo car with eerily similar liveries those two, or at least close enough.  It may even seem redundant now to bring these back into production, but here is why I think these can still work.

The biggest reason is that we have been getting nothing but recolors for HO rolling stock in recent years.  Like the Spiteful brake van as well as the flat car making a comeback with logs, these will in nod doubt have the right support received from fans.  They are not only nostalgic for older fans but also bright and colorful which is something Mattel can appreciate.  If Bachmann is willing to introduce two blue wagons with the exact same livery but with different decals/loads as well as making the exact same coal wagon with load with new decals added, what should honestly stop them from doing this?

Some might argue that these were never in the show, but we also did get the Spiteful brake van who, while he was in the television series, he was given his RWS livery, and that alone is telling me that attempting something like Fred and Rickety really should not be so far out of their reach.

Itís also worth noting that Jay also took the time to add lettering to his Rickety model to give him a design similar to that of Fred and SC Ruffey while basing him off the wooden railway toy.

But if Bachmann wants to go for something completely new, then another backup I wanted to bring up is the Sodor China Clay Trucks (RWS based)?

(http://i63.tinypic.com/2cwpmxw.jpg)

(http://i65.tinypic.com/qp14w8.jpg)

(http://i63.tinypic.com/23jsbq.jpg)

While these were based on what was seen in the books, it is clear that these can not only work in Bachmannís budget but these also have proven to successful as wooden railway toys in the past. 

Just like Fred and Rickety, these would not only have the right nostalgia behind them but also add more variety to the current lineup of wagon revolted in Bachmannís lineup.  Especially considering that these would require new China Clay loads to be included in them.

Anyway thatís enough rambling on my end, I would like to hear other thoughts.  Do you think Fred and Rickety should make a comeback?  Would you buy them or the China Clay Trucks?


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Rodimus Supreme on July 27, 2019, 05:27:58 PM
Last night I stayed at Jayís (Decadesofsun) and while going through his rolling stock projects I thought it would be a good idea to bring these to Bachmannís attention.

Starting things off with Fred and Rickety.

(http://i67.tinypic.com/2iuys1t.jpg)

(http://i66.tinypic.com/35chr42.jpg)

(http://i68.tinypic.com/5phoq9.jpg)

(http://i65.tinypic.com/o8hq9k.jpg)

Itís common knowledge that these two were announced and cancelled in 2005, hence how we managed to get the blue open wagon and the cargo car with eerily similar liveries those two, or at least close enough.  It may even seem redundant now to bring these back into production, but here is why I think these can still work.

The biggest reason is that we have been getting nothing but recolors for HO rolling stock in recent years.  Like the Spiteful brake van as well as the flat car making a comeback with logs, these will in nod doubt have the right support received from fans.  They are not only nostalgic for older fans but also bright and colorful which is something Mattel can appreciate.  If Bachmann is willing to introduce two blue wagons with the exact same livery but with different decals/loads as well as making the exact same coal wagon with load with new decals added, what should honestly stop them from doing this?

Some might argue that these were never in the show, but we also did get the Spiteful brake van who, while he was in the television series, he was given his RWS livery, and that alone is telling me that attempting something like Fred and Rickety really should not be so far out of their reach.

Itís also worth noting that Jay also took the time to add lettering to his Rickety model to give him a design similar to that of Fred and SC Ruffey while basing him off the wooden railway toy.

But if Bachmann wants to go for something completely new, then another backup I wanted to bring up is the Sodor China Clay Trucks (RWS based)?

(http://i63.tinypic.com/2cwpmxw.jpg)

(http://i65.tinypic.com/qp14w8.jpg)

(http://i63.tinypic.com/23jsbq.jpg)

While these were based on what was seen in the books, it is clear that these can not only work in Bachmannís budget but these also have proven to successful as wooden railway toys in the past.  

Just like Fred and Rickety, these would not only have the right nostalgia behind them but also add more variety to the current lineup of wagon revolted in Bachmannís lineup.  Especially considering that these would require new China Clay loads to be included in them.

Anyway thatís enough rambling on my end, I would like to hear other thoughts.  Do you think Fred and Rickety should make a comeback?  Would you buy them or the China Clay Trucks?
Personally, Iíd buy all of them. If it helps Bachmann, they could present these designs to Mattel as ďTroublesome Truck #8 - Blue Open WagonĒ and ďTroublesome Truck #9 - Orange Open WagonĒ, or something like that (Troublesome Truck #7 would likely be a ventilated van, I imagine).

There are plenty of designs for China Clay Trucks, so any open wagon design could work. One I like is Sodor Railway Modelerís custom HO/OO Scale China Clay Wagons with the Wooden Railway color schemes: https://mobile.twitter.com/SodorRyModeler/status/1041402221726969861


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Angelob6660 on July 27, 2019, 11:04:47 PM
I been waiting for a while when Bachmann makes the China Clay Works trucks. I been thinking of getting more green coal trucks and paint the loads white to simulate clay. Don't know about the decals if I decide to do it.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: TerencetheTractor525 on July 28, 2019, 11:42:52 PM
Fred & Rickety would certainly be interesting products to introduce to the Bachmann line. While I am not desperate to see them in the range, I'm sure that they would do fairly well with sales, considering that they're troublesome trucks.

The Sodor China Clay Cars would be neat additions too, but I would prefer to see new china clay loads, as you stated  :).


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Zekeism on July 29, 2019, 04:19:44 PM
I would love to see Hector and Bradford introduced into the series.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: DucktheGWREngine08 on July 29, 2019, 08:13:41 PM
Bradford may show up, hoping for Sir Handel or Duncan next for their official narrow gauge loco release and possibly a brake van for them.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: JLK2707 on July 30, 2019, 08:16:12 AM
I think that the TAR tanker wagon would just be great for Troublesome Truck #10.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: thomas fan on July 30, 2019, 11:39:06 AM
I would love to see Hector and Bradford introduced into the series.
Bradford I wouldn't really wont unless they made Samson but I would like to see Hector.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: TrainFan97 on July 30, 2019, 03:37:34 PM
If Salty was to get brought back someday, Bachmann could make Porter, then we'd have both the Brendam Docks engines. Of course, Porter would need a little scaling up on Bachmann's part. I don't really see Bachmann making Porter, unless Salty gets re-introduced.

Right now, the top priority for HO Scale is Stepney.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: JLK2707 on July 30, 2019, 09:31:14 PM
But then again, you could always just make Porter for yourself TrainFan97! :)


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: TrainFan97 on July 31, 2019, 01:44:47 AM
But then again, you could always just make Porter for yourself TrainFan97! :)

How? I'm not a modeller.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: JLK2707 on July 31, 2019, 04:47:12 PM
Thanks for telling me TrainFan97.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Chaz on August 10, 2019, 09:42:28 PM
Itís great how Bachmann managed to cover most of the classic narrow gauge engines so far with Peter Sam on the way.  Sir Handel is literally the only other engine I would want them to make.  So besides Sir Handel, anything else I would want them to add to their narrow gauge line would pretty much only consist of rolling stock choices, with brake vans being the top priority.


Title: Re: Bachmann Thomas & Friends in 2020
Post by: Crazy Thomas on August 13, 2019, 01:41:56 PM
HO Scale
Stepney or Ryan

Narrow Gauge
Sir Handel
Brake Van

N Scale
James