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Title: RUSTY ARRIVING AT DEALERS NOW!
Post by: InsideTrack on May 02, 2019, 09:37:13 AM
Narrow Gauge Rusty (Item No. 58603) has arrived and is being shipped to dealers. He also will be available through our web store soon.

Enjoy!  :) :) :)

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Title: Re: RUSTY ARRIVING AT DEALERS NOW!
Post by: Falcon the 2nd on May 02, 2019, 09:58:36 AM
Hooray! I'm certain he'll be worth the wait and I hope to pick him up at some point later this year.  :)


Title: Re: RUSTY ARRIVING AT DEALERS NOW!
Post by: Chaz on May 02, 2019, 12:36:24 PM
Hope Trainworld gets him soon!  I probably wonít be able to share my thoughts until after next weekend if it arrives by then.  Either way, very exciting news!


Title: Re: RUSTY ARRIVING AT DEALERS NOW!
Post by: STL on May 02, 2019, 03:37:30 PM
Any updates on the NG coaches? Given they were supposed tos hip at the same time from what Iíve heard


Title: Re: RUSTY ARRIVING AT DEALERS NOW!
Post by: MoarCrossovers on May 02, 2019, 03:58:18 PM
Any updates on the NG coaches? Given they were supposed tos hip at the same time from what Iíve heard
Later this month, perhaps?


Title: Re: RUSTY ARRIVING AT DEALERS NOW!
Post by: Chaz on May 02, 2019, 04:29:34 PM
Those probably wonít be out for a while since we still donít have pictures of those yet.

Trainworld called - Rusty will be shipping tomorrow. :)


Title: Re: RUSTY ARRIVING AT DEALERS NOW!
Post by: Angelob6660 on May 02, 2019, 07:41:00 PM
I'm waiting for Walthers for my order.


Title: Re: RUSTY ARRIVING AT DEALERS NOW!
Post by: Anthony P2 on May 02, 2019, 09:42:03 PM
Those probably wonít be out for a while since we still donít have pictures of those yet.

Trainworld called - Rusty will be shipping tomorrow. :)
I got my call from TrainWorld today too. :) I preordered him yesterday hopping heíd be in stock soon but I didnít realize it would be this soon!


Title: Re: RUSTY ARRIVING AT DEALERS NOW!
Post by: JLK2707 on May 04, 2019, 02:06:53 AM
Cool! :)


Title: Re: RUSTY ARRIVING AT DEALERS NOW!
Post by: TerencetheTractor525 on May 04, 2019, 10:44:19 AM
Finally! Really looking forward to seeing people's thoughts on the model. And with all the changes that are happening to the characters on the show, I hope that Duncan's proportions will be fixed soon. Would love to see Bachmann make him, since Duncan and Rusty go together very nicely. Just desperately hope that the proportions match his basis, just like Rheneas and Skarloey.

(http://i68.tinypic.com/35lhsed.png)

Bottom line is that the model on the left would lead to the best sales, considering that it matches its original basis, the model in the middle would lead to reasonably good sales, as it matches the model that most Thomas fans remember, and the model on the right would lead to the worst sales, since no one is fond of the CGI model of Duncan. The proportions say it all.


Title: Re: RUSTY ARRIVING AT DEALERS NOW!
Post by: mulfred-100 on May 04, 2019, 01:37:40 PM
Regardless of what basis they use for Duncan he will be a welcome addition in my eyes. I think we should just take a moment to appreciate we are getting Rusty before we get too ahead of our selves with who will join him in the 2020 announcements. Plus we still have the coaches coming out at somepoint.


Title: Re: RUSTY ARRIVING AT DEALERS NOW!
Post by: JLK2707 on May 06, 2019, 06:40:33 PM
Cool! :)


Title: Re: RUSTY ARRIVING AT DEALERS NOW!
Post by: Chaz on May 06, 2019, 09:37:53 PM
(http://i63.tinypic.com/r78wh0.jpg)
You all know the drill by this point, Rusty is here and as you expect, I plan on sharing my thoughts on this model. Letís see if this model holds up to the same quality as the Skarloey and Rheneas models do.  So letís jump into it.

(http://i67.tinypic.com/js2fxc.jpg)
Looking back on the 2017 announcements, they were not exactly mind blowing, and it didnít help that two of the announcements from that year ended up getting canceled a year later. Rusty seemed to be the one addition from last yearĎs announcements that I was excited for and clearly so were a majority.  Unlike Paxton, Rusty was a little more of a surprise to me, but based on some of Mattelís marketing decisions, it kind of makes sense that they would go for characters that are more marketable rather than go for ones that are in numerical order, or even having frequent roles on the show.  Itís basically the same case for Freddie despite not having appeared since the model era, but thatís besides the point.  Either way Rusty works well as a marketable orange engine since he (unlike stupid Nia) actually has a personality and isnít a pathetic marketing stunt while promoting forced diversity.

(http://i66.tinypic.com/34q7blh.jpg)
And while Rusty is not a major character in the CGI series, or even that much of the seasons 9-12 narrow gauge episodes, I would argue that he had a lot more of a prominent role in the classic series. Dare I say, even more than the likes of Skarloey.  He was always the good role model for kids and if he wasnít having a lead role, he gave frequent supporting roles throughout the show, so I would argue that Rusty is especially a shoe-in with that considered as well having a simple tooling to work with.

(http://i63.tinypic.com/szyhxl.jpg)
The model itself on the other hand, while not bad by any means, is probably the weakest out of the three engines. It has nothing to do with the design choice itself, but more or less what it is naturally going to be compared to.  Skarloey and Rheneas both met and even exceeded my expectations going with accuracy to both the CG render and their Talyllyn counterparts.  Rusty on the other hand met my expectations, but didnít exceed them like the Skarloey and Rheneas models did.  Despite Bachmann taking measurements at the Talyllyn railway, before Rustys photo was revealed, I came into the model expecting the model to be based on its full CGI appearance. This is why Rusty met my expectationsÖ But unlike the other two engines, didnít unfortunately exceed those expectations.

(http://i66.tinypic.com/71tz5k.jpg)
This does not mean that the model is bad by any means, Rusty naturally had some big shoes to fill and after the previous engines in the range, and while it didnít quite make that high of a cut, that doesnít mean that Rusty is a bad model.  In fact, what we did get out of Rusty, I do appreciate. This CG render looks miles better than the large scale model used in seasons 5 through 12, and I especially appreciate the amount of detail put on to Rustys body as well as the accurate chassis.  And when you put him alongside Skarloey and Rheneas models, he actually fits along right beside the other engines, despite his size (which we will talk about in a minute). I could make the exact same argument for literally the rest of the other original narrow gauge engines that have appeared in CGI so far too (except for Duncan).

(http://i67.tinypic.com/w9ac7p.jpg)
So again, is the Rusty model incredible? No, but itís definitely a good model all the same and definitely a solid pass in my book.  And just like the case with the Oliver model, they hit the nail with a hammer with the CGI render, and it meets the appropriate expectations that fans should expect. And like Oliver, Iím going to review the Rusty model for what it is, rather than what I would have wanted it to be.  So all things considered, the Rusty model really does have the right amount of charm like the rest of the models in the range.

(http://i66.tinypic.com/2ih08it.jpg)
Oh yeah, letís talk about the face.  All the traits of the CG render found its way into the model. I know not everybody is on board with RustyĎs face, but it really does meet the right amount of accuracy for the character. Rusty has had large face for years, ever since season five, and they are not going to change that anytime soon.  Itís certainly not oversized either like Paxton so Rusty is a definite improvement in that regard.

(http://i66.tinypic.com/vcupl0.jpg)
The only genuine flaw I see in the model, is the design for Rustys cab.  Skarloey and Rheneas have open cabs, allowing room for modelers to fit in a crew. Rusty does not, and this is something that I thought Bachmann could have easily incorporated into this model, until it came in the mail today. As you can probably tell from earlier photos, this was likely due to Rustyís small size compared to Skarloey and Rheneas and they had to hide his motor.  The size is even accurate to a real midlander and his CG tender as well so I canít say I blame Bachmann for going this route.  So an odd choice? Sure.  Worth holding against Bachmann over? Not necessarily and certainly not a deal-breaker by any means.  

(http://i67.tinypic.com/slp6jo.jpg)
Overall, I say aesthetically the Rusty model looks great, and regardless of design choice, Bachmann did a really great job with this model and a great addition to go alongside Skarloey and Rheneas.

(http://i66.tinypic.com/24pm98i.jpg)
How does the model run? Just like the last two, Rusty was a very smooth runner.  Granted it wasnít really a heavy model, but the way how this model ran, he basically glided along the mine track at the club layout with absolutely no issues.  Iíd even argue he ran better than Skarloey while running over switches on the layout too.  He also ran a lot faster than Skarloey and Rheneas while on lower voltage too.

(http://i64.tinypic.com/rv95pt.jpg)
It managed to pull some of my slate wagons and probably could have pulled a lot more rolling stock in the process.  It probably canít pull as much as Skarloey and Rheneas because of his weight and size, but really anyone who is running narrow gauge, especially a Rusty model, probably wouldnít be giving him a whole lot of rolling stock anyways.  I say Rusty definitely meets reasonable expectations here as well.

(http://i66.tinypic.com/of4hh5.jpg)
So, what are my final thoughts on this model overall? Personally, while it isnít as impressive as the other two, itís still a very good model and is definitely a welcome addition to my collection of narrow gauge engines. Thank you very much Bachmann for finally bringing out this model of Rusty and I look forward to seeing the narrow gauge coaches and hopefully some new announcements for narrow gauge next year.  

(http://i63.tinypic.com/65myw0.jpg)
Any chance we can have some brake vans for the narrow gauge range next Bachmann?  Something tells me we could use some right now...


Title: Re: RUSTY ARRIVING AT DEALERS NOW!
Post by: TerencetheTractor525 on May 07, 2019, 04:33:58 PM
Always a pleasure reading your thoughts, Chaz. Very happy to officially see that Rusty is a lighter shade of orange than Rheneas. Yet, Iím surprised to see how small Rusty is compared to Rheneas and Skarloey. However, as you stated, it is probably because Bachmann was trying to go for the size of his basis in real life while keeping the shapes and proportions of the CGI model. Nevertheless, I plan to get this model for Christmas as it still met my expectations. Canít wait to see the narrow gauge coaches next.


Title: Re: RUSTY ARRIVING AT DEALERS NOW!
Post by: Angelob6660 on May 08, 2019, 05:18:29 PM
Excellent review on Rusty, Chaz.

 I'm still waiting for my order to be confirmed and shipped out. Hopefully I'll get that email shortly this week I'm hoping.


Title: Re: RUSTY ARRIVING AT DEALERS NOW!
Post by: Anthony P2 on May 10, 2019, 10:56:48 AM
I received my Rusty model on Monday as well. I posted a few pics on Twitter (link below) but have not gotten around to sharing my thoughts on Rusty. Chaz really hit the nail on the head with his review of Rusty. I feel basically the same way. I think Bachmann were trying to keep Rusty inline with Midlander. I posted comparison pictures of Midlander to Tallyllyn and Sir Haydn along with Bachmann Skarloey and Rusty comparison.

Out of the box, my initial thought was ďwow heís a legit nugget.Ē Rusty is by far the smallest model Iíve ever owned! He was a lot smaller than I thought which made me appreciate the inner mechanism and the amount of detail incorporated on the body shell. I ran Rusty around the small oval of 009 PECO track I have. He ran very well straight out of the box. Then i picked him up to take a gander at the details. Upon observation I noticed both of his axels were geared so i took a peek at the parts diagram. Not only did I find that both axels actually are geared but our little friend also has a flywheel! I didnít think he would! That would explain the smooth running.

So over all, even though size ďmayĒ be an issue, i think heís a very nice model! I say ďmayĒ because weíre not 100% sure about sizing. Iím very pleased with Rusty! If you look past sizing, I think Rusty is definitely a must have for anyoneís Skarloey railway on any Thomas layout, or even just a 009 layout. Itís nice to see a R2R 009 diesel loco available for a decent price. I think Rusty was less than $100 with shipping. Heís a great runner, he has great details, and is great value for a 009 loco! Granted, the Bachmann Thomas NG locomotives arenít DCC ready like many other 009 models, but are still pretty good value in my book to get started with 009!

If you want to see some pictures Iíve taken, the link to my posts on twitter are below!

https://mobile.twitter.com/TonyPont12/status/1125516982412042241


Title: Re: RUSTY ARRIVING AT DEALERS NOW!
Post by: TheBlueSnowplow (Griffin) on May 10, 2019, 11:33:05 AM
Anthony! I mentioned this to you on Twitter, but even though Rusty is based on Mainlander, he seems to be dreadfully out of scale with Skarloey and Rheneas, so much so that if I was collecting the NG line I would probably just purchase the chassis and design a 3-D print for the body, given how simplistic the shape is. I mean...


(http://i63.tinypic.com/1zo86th.jpg)

(I lined them up and got the sizes as accurately as I could, probably not 100% accurate but I couldn't find a single shot from the show that showed them together)

(http://i68.tinypic.com/2zqc089.jpg)

I would love if someone (Chaz???) could take a more centered head-on shot comparison of Skarloey and Rusty (and Rheneas and Rusty, since I can make another comparison shot using the head-on promos fairly easily), maybe even on a white background, but for the time being this photo from AnthonyP2 should show how completely inaccurate the scaling is.

Somewhat disappointing, especially after such a long wait. But I suppose that he is based on his real life counterpart.


Title: Re: RUSTY ARRIVING AT DEALERS NOW!
Post by: Chaz on May 10, 2019, 05:04:27 PM
I probably will not be able to take another picture until next week, since I am leaving for a trip this weekend.  Hereís another pic I did take at the club:

(http://i68.tinypic.com/fvgqr8.jpg)

His size is a lot smaller than it should be and it is strange that it is the same size as Midlander would be yet it still carries the same size as midlander to the other TR engines.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D57SlsaX4AY7Aai?format=jpg&name=medium)

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ttte/images/3/3f/DuncanandtheGrumpyPassenger39.png/revision/latest?cb=20161021195956)
His CG render is small too, almost the same size as Duncanís but the Bachmann model is a lot smaller.  If the model was slightly larger, closer to the CGI size, then Iím sure the cab being blocked off would have been a non-issue.  Itís odd that Bachmann this route with Rusty and didnít go the full mile with either the CG render or the midlander design.  If anything it makes Rusty more of a hybrid model which makes the design choice Bachmann went with all the more questionable.

Personally though, I am still pretty happy overall with the model and I am glad that I got it. It does make me wonder what they will do with Duncan though if he ever gets announced. Are they going to go with the same sort of hybrid deal like they did with Rusty? Hereís hoping we donít find that one out sooner as I think a lot more people in general would rather have Peter Sam made next.


Title: Re: RUSTY ARRIVING AT DEALERS NOW!
Post by: TerencetheTractor525 on May 10, 2019, 06:43:50 PM
(http://i68.tinypic.com/35lhsed.png)

A hybrid model of Duncan would probably be the proportions of the model series Duncan with a CGI face, just like the model in the middle of the pic above. If they went this route, then I would not mind it if Duncan gets announced next.


Title: Re: RUSTY ARRIVING AT DEALERS NOW!
Post by: mulfred-100 on May 11, 2019, 10:59:41 AM
Well I had planned on uploading my rusty review and thoughts ect but the seller I have ordered him off has refused my custom. Failed to tell me this as well until I rang up so I am furious. In the mean time I am loving the review and photos I have seen so far. I think he is a great little model. Not as good as skarloey and rheneas but they obviously are incredible models and hard to top but will be a welcome addition to my narrow gauge engines. I think it's safe to say either Duncan or peter sam are the front runners for 2020.


Title: Re: RUSTY ARRIVING AT DEALERS NOW!
Post by: Anthony P2 on May 11, 2019, 11:33:02 AM
Anthony! I mentioned this to you on Twitter, but even though Rusty is based on Mainlander, he seems to be dreadfully out of scale with Skarloey and Rheneas, so much so that if I was collecting the NG line I would probably just purchase the chassis and design a 3-D print for the body, given how simplistic the shape is. I mean...


(http://i63.tinypic.com/1zo86th.jpg)

(I lined them up and got the sizes as accurately as I could, probably not 100% accurate but I couldn't find a single shot from the show that showed them together)

(http://i68.tinypic.com/2zqc089.jpg)

I would love if someone (Chaz???) could take a more centered head-on shot comparison of Skarloey and Rusty (and Rheneas and Rusty, since I can make another comparison shot using the head-on promos fairly easily), maybe even on a white background, but for the time being this photo from AnthonyP2 should show how completely inaccurate the scaling is.

Somewhat disappointing, especially after such a long wait. But I suppose that he is based on his real life counterpart.

Ah yes I remember! Iím even thinking about doing the same, but i might just wind up getting another to make a more accurate Rusty that resembles Midlander more. I think the sizing doesnít bother me much because Iím not really modeling TV series accuracy. The new layout will be an Awdry inspired layout with faceless models being as accurate to their real life basis as much as I can. Like Thomas will most likely be the SCC 3D printed body shell on a Jinty chassis. Iíll be modeling the Skarloey Railway too. Iíll be adding details to the models and removing the faces from the Bachmann models. I was also thinking about keeping the 009 models as is and just getting another batch to transform into the models Iím aiming for. Iíll be posting updates from time to time on progress of their new layout so keep an eye out! ;) But anyway! Back to Rusty! I was wondering if i got a 3D printed shell to fit his chassis, would I be able to have an open cab? Hopefully he can because i want to avoid scratch building a chassis for him

UPDATE= PeterSamsFunnel on twitter posted this this morning: https://mobile.twitter.com/PeterSamsFunnel/status/1127231909174685696


Title: Re: RUSTY ARRIVING AT DEALERS NOW!
Post by: JLK2707 on May 12, 2019, 09:18:46 AM
Cool!:)


Title: Re: RUSTY ARRIVING AT DEALERS NOW!
Post by: Plow_Bender on May 16, 2019, 12:37:35 PM
Definitely a long awaited model and it's good to see Rusty is finally in stock.  I will admit I was a little skeptical about the model when we first saw the product image, but after seeing photos others have posted and reading Chaz's extensive post on the model, I've pretty much forgot about the few issues I had with the model and appreciate it for what it is.  As others have pointed out already, Rusty didn't exceed expectations, but that the same time he did meet them.  Personally I don't see where the model is anything but another great addition to the range.

The only real issue I had with the model was that compared to Skarloey and/or Rheneas, it looked as if Bachmann had taken a shortcut with Rusty considering he didn't have an open cab.  I can see now where his size would have made it difficult to fit a motor into just the front portion of the body, and therefore I understand why the cab is not open.  The face in the product image was also kind of a nagging issue for me as it just didn't look right, but after seeing photos of the model that worry is gone too.  The face may or may not have been photoshopped just to get a product image out sooner, considering Rusty's product image was updated later on.  I have to say that I quite like the face on Rusty now, despite the big debate many others have about it.

On the topic of scaling, that's something I didn't realize was an issue until I saw comparisons of Rusty next to Skarloey and Rheneas.  I will admit when I first saw photos of the models side by side, I couldn't help but feel like Rusty looked smaller than he should.  Maybe he is a little smaller than his CGI counterpart, but still looks to be the same size as Midlander (which would make sense since that's where Bachmann got their measurements) so it doesn't seem that big of an issue.  I don't know, personally the size of Rusty is something that still doesn't take away from the overall appeal of the model in my books.

Considering how underwhelming announcements were in 2017 and the fact that only a portion of them actually made it to production, it's nice to see Bachmann has pulled off a gem such as Rusty.  Despite the few issues I had with the model at first, again I'm alright with the choices Bachmann made and look forward to adding Rusty to my Narrow Gauge collection, given that I can ever get the funds to start buying more model trains again.  In addition to that, the narrow gauge coaches are another thing to look forward to later this year. 

By the way Mr. JLK, you really need to quit it with the one word posts.  All you're doing is creating unnecessary clutter...

-Rusty


Title: Re: RUSTY ARRIVING AT DEALERS NOW!
Post by: JLK2707 on May 16, 2019, 05:50:10 PM
Okay, thanks for telling me. I was just wanting to know if the bachmann Toby would look good painted in chocolate and blue.


Title: Re: RUSTY ARRIVING AT DEALERS NOW!
Post by: Angelob6660 on May 22, 2019, 04:27:24 PM
I had to reorder my Rusty. I was really close of getting him. They (Walthers) had my order off backorder and placed On Hold for 5 days before canceling. In which I had to reorder him again until gets released in June. Maybe.


Title: Re: RUSTY ARRIVING AT DEALERS NOW!
Post by: JLK2707 on May 22, 2019, 08:08:58 PM
I am so just going to get a Rusty model too!:)


Title: Re: RUSTY ARRIVING AT DEALERS NOW!
Post by: mulfred-100 on May 29, 2019, 10:40:41 AM
My Rusty model has finally arrived
(http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj561/mulfred100/Mobile%20Uploads/20190529_121208_zpsxbsxvwqy.jpg) (http://s1268.photobucket.com/user/mulfred100/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20190529_121208_zpsxbsxvwqy.jpg.html)
First impressions
I am very impressed with the detailing on this right down the r8vits and vent detailing. His small size really makes up in the detailing. Speaking of size this is the only slight fault I can see obviously made in scale of his real life counterpart rather then CGI or tv show models. Which makes life a bit difficult to modify his face. Obviously skarloey and rheneas are near enough close in size to swap their faces with their ertl models.
(http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj561/mulfred100/Mobile%20Uploads/20190529_115809_zpsgdxtehcj.jpg) (http://s1268.photobucket.com/user/mulfred100/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20190529_115809_zpsgdxtehcj.jpg.html)
Scale wise he fits in rather well with skarloey and rheneas. One nice detail I'm glad bachmann didn't carry over from the HO range, the silver windows. I think his model looks so much better with his cab being blacked out rather then if bachmann made them sliver like arry, bert, paxton, salty ect.
(http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj561/mulfred100/Mobile%20Uploads/20190529_120150_zps7dk3d2wp.jpg) (http://s1268.photobucket.com/user/mulfred100/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20190529_120150_zps7dk3d2wp.jpg.html)
Running
Rusty is a very smooth runner and quite fast compared to skarloey and rheneas. He is a bit jittery at slower speeds but that is more then likely my track as i have the same issue with skarloey and rheneas. Also I haven't tested how many trucks he can pull but really why would I want to. He only really needs 3 or 4 trucks or vans.
(http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj561/mulfred100/Mobile%20Uploads/20190529_120304_zpskujssp4k.jpg) (http://s1268.photobucket.com/user/mulfred100/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20190529_120304_zpskujssp4k.jpg.html)
He is a very nice addition to the narrow gauge range. Here's hoping we get another addition in 2020. But for now we can all look forward to the narrow gauge coaches
(http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj561/mulfred100/Mobile%20Uploads/20190529_121241_zpsvcv4sl23.jpg) (http://s1268.photobucket.com/user/mulfred100/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20190529_121241_zpsvcv4sl23.jpg.html)


Title: Re: RUSTY ARRIVING AT DEALERS NOW!
Post by: JLK2707 on May 31, 2019, 07:35:44 AM
Your Rusty model just looks excellent! :)


Title: Re: RUSTY ARRIVING AT DEALERS NOW!
Post by: SeanrailAnimations on May 31, 2019, 09:32:06 AM
Watched Duncan the Humbug today, along with the episode screenshots from the Thomas wiki, and from the shots with Skarloey, Rheneas and Rusty at the depot, Rusty does indeed seem to be smaller than Skarloey and Rheneas in the CGI Series. Maybe the size of the Bachmann Rusty is also accurate to his CGI render, not just his basis 'Midlander', after all IMO.

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ttte/images/e/ed/DuncantheHumbug37.png/revision/latest?cb=20181220181604)


Title: Re: RUSTY ARRIVING AT DEALERS NOW!
Post by: JLK2707 on June 01, 2019, 02:38:17 AM
It is just so tv series accurate! Great model!:)