Thought I should start a new thread on Bachmann Daisy after seeing the amazing news ;).
For 17 years Bachmann has done the Thomas and friends line I have never seen fans so excited over any character,but Dasiy.
I was honestly not expecting her at this point, especially not now! I'm so excited for her. Seems like Daisy won the Daisy VS Stepney battle surprisingly.
Now after her, we need HO Scale Ryan to complete the Harwick duo (Or maybe Stanley plz)
Quote from: Streak on July 12, 2019, 11:14:19 AM
Now after her, we need HO Scale Ryan to complete the Harwick duo (Or maybe Stanley plz)
Ryan would be fitting for a new HO Scale character once all is said and done with Daisy. His debut movie (Sodor's Legend of the Lost Treasure) will turn five years old in 2020, so it would make sense to announce him around that time.
Was anyone surprised by Daisy having an eye mechanism? As far as I remember, not too many people were expecting its integration with her windows in mind. Regardless, it's a welcome addition that may make her model all the more nifty.
I was like WHAT!!!!!!!!!!
Daisy is going to have moving eyes :o
Quote from: Falcon the 2nd on July 12, 2019, 11:47:41 AM
Was anyone surprised by Daisy having an eye mechanism? As far as I remember, not too many people were expecting its integration with her windows in mind. Regardless, it's a welcome addition that may make her model all the more nifty.
I was certainly surprised to see that! I guess the main question with Daisy is what Bachmann will do with Daisy's windows:
1. "See-through" windows like the express coaches even if it means that we may see the motor or moving eye mechanism?
2. Closed windows with black plastic like Thomas and Percy's HO cabs?
3. Closed windows with silver plastic like Mavis and Diesel's HO cabs?
What do you guys think?
Quote from: TerencetheTractor525 on July 12, 2019, 12:05:34 PM
Quote from: Falcon the 2nd on July 12, 2019, 11:47:41 AM
Was anyone surprised by Daisy having an eye mechanism? As far as I remember, not too many people were expecting its integration with her windows in mind. Regardless, it's a welcome addition that may make her model all the more nifty.
I was certainly surprised to see that! I guess the main question with Daisy is what Bachmann will do with Daisy's windows:
1. "See-through" windows like the express coaches even if it means that we may see the motor or moving eye mechanism?
2. Closed windows with black plastic like Thomas and Percy's HO cabs?
3. Closed windows with silver plastic like Mavis and Diesel's HO cabs?
What do you guys think?
I think that Bachmann will do #3
I am leaning towards 3 myself. I know not everyone is in love with the silver plastic for the windows on the Diesel models but truthfully it never bothered me that much. The only difference is that with Daisy it will be much more apparent.
I would hazard a guess at the windows being light grey, like they are in the show from a distance. Would make sense and seeing as we see models from a distance when running, it would be the most imaginable scenario.
Honestly, I hope Daisy has a NEM slot. It'd be a nice modern touch to include into the Thomas range, and it'd help make future additions/engines more compatible with different kinds of HO and OO equipment. To add, thinner hook/loop couplers have a nicer appearance than the chunky hook/loop couplers.
I seriously never thought in a million years that Bachmann would actually make Daisy. I've wanted her, and many people, including myself, had been asking Bachmann to make Daisy for years, and now, she's finally been announced. Daisy will be the most exciting new addition to the range since Oliver. She is also going to be the third new tooling in the HO range since Mattel's takeover. Ever since Mattel took the rights to the Thomas brand, the only new toolings in the HO range have been Oliver, Rosie, and coming next year, Daisy. Another thing that makes Daisy such a big deal is that unlike Duck and Oliver, Hornby never made Daisy.
I've heard nothing but bad things about Oliver's CGI render, but Daisy has one of the few CGI renders that's actually GOOD for a returning character.
Starting next year, Bachmann will finally sell their HO Scale Thomas models in the UK, now that Hornby surrendered the license. That's also going to boost sales immensely.
Just like what Bachmann did with the tender engines, Daisy's coupling hooks would be attached to her bogies. Just like all the other diesels in the HO range, she is certainly going to have silver windows. She's going to be the first bogied diesel in the Thomas range itself. The first engine in the range with no fixed chassis, and yet she's still having an eye mechanism, which is incredible.
Now that Daisy is on the way for 2020, who will everyone be asking for next? I think Stepney. Popular demand gave us Bill, Ben, Donald, Douglas, Duck, Oliver, and now Daisy.
I have zero doubt that Stepney is going to continue to be the most popular request on the forum, since him and Daisy were both very popular requests. Same with Sir Handel now that Peter Sam got announced for narrow gauge.
Either way another great thing about Daisy too is the fact that we are finally getting a diesel that isn't a shunter. Something I'm glad Bachmann got into, which is expanding diversity in a good way.
I quite agree.
Yet another thing that makes Daisy a big deal is the fact that she's the first announcement in quite some time that isn't a tank engine, or a diesel shunter. The first longer diesel in the range itself.
I remember last year when someone told me that Daisy was not secretly in development, after I predicted that Daisy might be in development, and would be announced within a few years. That was a year before she was actually announced. I was right somehow.
I'm so excited for this news!!! I can't wait to purchase both Daisy and Peter Sam!
Quote from: TrainFan97 on July 13, 2019, 04:10:59 PM
Now that Daisy is on the way for 2020, who will everyone be asking for next? I think Stepney. Popular demand gave us Bill, Ben, Donald, Douglas, Duck, Oliver, and now Daisy.
I think that Stepney will be one of the most asked for engines now that bachmann is creating Daisy, but I also think it would be a good idea for bachmann to release Ryan. I think bachmann should release Ryan next because Daisy and Ryan are a duo and the main pair on the Harwick Branchline. He would also be a great addition because he is a unique tank engine with a unique color that I think will interest many people. Some could argue that BoCo could be made because of the similar tooling to Daisy and they are also a strong duo, which I would agree with, but BoCo is not as relevant to newer viewers so his market might not be as large as Ryan's. So even though I would love to see bachmann make a BoCo model, I think the choice for bachmann will either be Ryan or Stepney.
As for the Narrow Gauge line, I hope and think that bachmann will make Sir Handel next. He has the same configuration as Peter Sam so it'll be easier for bachmann to make him and he is such a prominent character and has the most request on the forum. I am hoping Sir Handel will be next as he is my favorite out of the NGE, but I'll be happy with whichever engine is released.
Overall I am very happy with this announcement and will for sure be purchasing Daisy and Peter Sam as soon as I can! Let me know if there are engines that you guys think will come before my predictions and why. These predictions are obviously for new toolings only and not repaints or same configuration engines.
-CC55
Quote from: CC55 on July 14, 2019, 06:01:05 PM
I think that Stepney will be one of the most asked for engines now that bachmann is creating Daisy, but I also think it would be a good idea for bachmann to release Ryan. I think bachmann should release Ryan next because Daisy and Ryan are a duo and the main pair on the Harwick Branchline. He would also be a great addition because he is a unique tank engine with a unique color that I think will interest many people. Some could argue that BoCo could be made because of the similar tooling to Daisy and they are also a strong duo, which I would agree with, but BoCo is not as relevant to newer viewers so his market might not be as large as Ryan's. So even though I would love to see bachmann make a BoCo model, I think the choice for bachmann will either be Ryan or Stepney.
That's a good point, but I'm starting to think that February 2020 may actually be the best time to announce Stepney because the 75th Anniversary would be another helpful reason to give the licencor, even if he has not been in the CGI series yet. If this meant that Stepney has to be delayed like Oliver, I'm sure that fans would be fine with that. It would still be an additional miracle, and really help boost Bachmann's sales once more!
For the Toy Fair in 2020, Stepney would be a much more exciting announcement than LBSC Thomas, or Sidney. Although, LBSC Thomas would be a better Thomas repaint than Celebration Thomas was. I wouldn't care if Stepney gets delayed like Oliver. Unlike LBSC Thomas, Black James, or Sidney, Stepney would be another new tooling instead of another recolor. The past three years have been nothing but recolors/variations getting announced. I'm sure Bachmann is aware that we've been getting tired of recolors, but I also know that the budget for new toolings hadn't been there lately. With Bachmann releasing the HO Scale Thomas models in the UK, it should really help them make more engines with new toolings. Making new toolings that people actually ask for is certainly going to give Bachmann the sales they need. I wouldn't BET on another new tooling being announced at the Toy Fair next February, but it is the 75th Anniversary. I know what was just announced is already coming in 2020. There's a very good chance the 2020 Toy Fair announcements will be minimal, possibly with another recolor, but I'll be okay with it.
Daisy having silver windows certainly isn't going to be a dealbreaker at all. All the other diesels in the HO range have silver windows, but that doesn't bother me one bit. Besides, having opaque windows would hide Daisy's motors and eye mechanism. Both of Daisy's coupling hooks would be attached to her bogies no doubt, so any rolling stock that Daisy is pushing or pulling can turn tighter. She can finally pull that mail car she refused to take, or the milk she frequently leaves behind because of pulling being "bad for her swerves." The Railcar and the Coaches was the first time Daisy was actually seen pulling rolling stock.
Yeah. I wonder why she just hates pulling rolling stock....
Quote from: JLK2707 on July 22, 2019, 05:00:24 AM
Yeah. I wonder why she just hates pulling rolling stock....
It's bad for her swerves. Daisy says she require delicate handling and pulling trucks and vans to be below her.
Yeah. I wonder if this could explain why she is just so rude to Annie, Clarabel and Henrietta....
I thing she's just jealous.
Daisy and Peter Sam already have their product weights listed. It's possible that they could be in the unpainted stage, but we may not see their images until the 2020 catalog gets released next February. It would be a surprise if their images get revealed before 2020, but we know they're not releasing before 2020, as stated by InsideTrack. Daisy will most likely arrive in stock next summer at the earliest. Even after images get revealed, it can take many months for products to actually get in stock.
Red Rosie should be in stock anytime now. We should soon get the final images of the new open wagons, and the log flatbed (I'm pretty sure the images in the catalog were pre-production models), which are products that should be out this year.
Hay did anyone else see that after Daisy was seen in CGI there has bin no merchandise for Daisy so it's really cool to see Bachmann are going to make her :)
here is a link to her merchandise page
https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Daisy/Merchandise
Should just be interesting, considering she is quite popular.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLNlAHG6suM
I have pasted a link to a video showcasing a custom Daisy model that a Thomas modeler, TopKaz Fatt, made many years ago. While the facial expression is a little bit odd, it is amazing that the custom model consists of moving eyes and operating headlights. I also love the fact that the model has transparent windows, even though the interior exposes some wires. Seeing that makes me wish that the Bachmann model will have transparent windows, even though most people currently feel that it is unlikely.
One other thing I have been wondering is if Daisy's face will have eyelashes. Personally, I would be completely fine if Bachmann does not bother to include them.
What are everyone's thoughts?
Honestly I don't know what Bachmann will do with eyelashes I think that they will just print them on to the face but we will have to wait and see.
I could see the eyelashes being molded onto the face.
I wonder how many people will use Daisy's face for BoCo customs?
While thinking more about how the Bachmann Daisy's windows might turn out, I wonder if an additional possibility would be for only the front windows to be blacked out, while still keeping the side windows transparent, like Gordon's express coaches. I have heard other Thomas fans suggest this, and although I was not too sure if it would be a good idea at first, it may be nice compromise. This means that the model could still have see-through windows, and still block out the eye mechanism. What are everyone's thoughts on this?
I think it might be the Trolley street car. With a silhouette people sitting down behind a bright light between the transparent tile.
Ok, this is most likely unfounded, but is anyone else scared that Daisy may be cancelled? I keep thinking about the logistics of her mould, eye mech, etc and it's so different from anything we've seen in the Thomas range thus far that I have this irrational fear that Bachmann will just throw their hands up and cancel her. Totally random thought but figured I'd share to see if I had any sympathizers.
I highly doubt Daisy would get cancelled. The fact that she's actually listed on the website, even shows a product weight, and says "performs best on 18" radius curves or greater" Bachmann wouldn't just cancel a highly-requested model in HO Scale. People have wanted Daisy for years, and she was just announced last year. Bachmann wouldn't want to crush everyone's hopes and dreams by cancelling such a highly-anticipated model.
Wasn't aware of her iisted weight/other info. That's very comforting. I guess I'm still scarred by LS Diesel...
Cancelling Daisy would just be Bachmann saying no to such great potential sales.
After thinking about how the eye mechanism could work, it's not that hard. The front motor inside the mold can lay on its side, connected to a gear that connects to the eye mechanism, and that gear can be on a rod that has another gear at the other end of the rod that connects to the bogie wheels. That's how the eye mechanism can work, despite Daisy not having a fixed chassis.
Is anyone else worried about Daisy being cancelled like Large Scale Diesel was? It's possible Daisy could cost more than other models in the HO range, but high prices didn't stop the Narrow Gauge range from being successful. I'm pretty sure Diesel was cancelled in Large Scale because Large Scale in general is in a really tight spot.
Sorry to go off topic, does anyone know what date is Toy Fair?
Quote from: Zekeism on January 29, 2020, 03:34:01 PM
Sorry to go off topic, does anyone know what date is Toy Fair?
February 22nd-25th/26th.
Like I said, Bachmann cancelling Daisy would just be them saying no to such great potential sales of a highly-anticipated product.
They wouldn't just hype everyone up over a highly popular request getting announced, with everyone saving up for it, only to throw it away, and dash everyone's hopes. It would be foolish of Bachmann to cancel Daisy. A lot of people, including myself, have been saving up for her. Like I said in another post, she's actually listed on Bachmann's web store, with a shipping weight, and a statement saying she performs best on 18" radius curves or greater.
At the very worst, Daisy could end up getting delayed, rather than cancelled completely. It took two years for Bachmann to get Oliver and Rusty out there, most likely because of certain complications behind the models, including their size/scaling. In Daisy's case, people think it would be very difficult to get her eye mechanism to work, all because she doesn't have a fixed chassis. I explained in an earlier post how Daisy's eye mechanism could work without being too difficult.
I know it's unlikely, but When the Bachmann Daisy model gets revealed, PLEASE have clear windows. I don't care if it shows the motor.
With the mid-year announcements coming soon, I thought that it would be fun to bring back this thread again.
While looking through the Bachmann website, I must state that it is extremely interesting that Daisy's biography is based on the original episodes from the model series, and not the CGI era: https://shop.bachmanntrains.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=756_772_774&products_id=7196&zenid=hgsasbtuqjcb06jhpqkm2a6fp3
Personally, I specifically love that the biography states that Daisy was built to work on Thomas' Branch Line after "Thomas came to breakfast" ;).
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ttte/images/8/8c/Daisy%28episode%2922.png/revision/latest?cb=20200108224245)
Thus, this makes me wonder if there is a possibility that the Bachmann Daisy could be based on her model series design, with a bigger face as one notable difference: https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Daisy/Behind_the_Scenes
Furthermore, with the Thomas television series now going on hiatus after Season 24, the chances of Bachmann basing their models on the model series instead of the CGI series seems much more likely.
Overall, as someone who has always preferred the model series designs over the designs from CGI series, I would be ecstatic if the Bachmann Daisy could be based on the design from the model series. And just for fun, here are some links to memorable episodes with Daisy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buZGoYwxLFU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCjg3MNHgnc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UVYmMF1cgY
Daisy's biography was added, but still no price yet.
I wouldn't bet on her being based on her model series design. Besides, Daisy's CGI render is actually good. I know many are hoping she would have clear windows, but I wouldn't build up hope for that, since all diesels in the HO range have silver windows. If that's the case for Daisy, I certainly won't consider that a dealbreaker. I'll just be glad to add her to my collection. I know her coupling hooks would have to be attached to her bogies, just like the tender engines.
Last night, I found this gem by TopKazFatt that is unfortunately no longer on YouTube, and I thought that it would be nice to share it here on the forum, while Daisy is getting made by Bachmann.
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm2007228
It is amazing that back in 2008, most of us could only dream of having a high quality Daisy model in HO. Yet, with the Bachmann model announced, it is finally becoming a reality.
Here's hoping that the same can happen next month with an announcement of Stepney too :).
I think that there's a possibility that they will base her face off the classic series because there hasn't ever been any new daisy merchandise with the new face. Might just be wishful thinking though. I can see it going With either The classic or cgi face.
Quote from: AnAverageThomasFan on June 27, 2020, 12:51:28 PM
I think that there's a possibility that they will base her face off the classic series because there hasn't ever been any new daisy merchandise with the new face. Might just be wishful thinking though. I can see it going With either The classic or cgi face.
As far as I know, there's also been no Daisy merchandise
at all since her return.
I Hope Bachmann decides to release Daisy Very Early next year in her Original Model Railway series look please Bachmann NO CGI FACES PLEASE !!! we like nostalgia most of you're product is being bought by people like me who grew up from Thomas from the 80's and 90's we want Model Railway Faces not CGI please thank you !
I'd be okay with either Daisy's model, or CGI designs being used for her Bachmann model. The only issue I see with her model series design is that her bufferbeam is notably low, but it can be raised to allow coupling hooks on both ends. If Daisy gets made in her model series design, Bachmann can reuse her rear bogie to make BoCo. For BoCo, they'd just need to make a six-wheeled bogie for the front, and his body. Still a good chance Daisy will be made in her CGI design though, given the illustration. Most of the time, the final product looks like the illustration.
Given Daisy's delay, it shows Bachmann is taking their time to give us a good quality product, and not something rushed. Still hoping Daisy is ready in time for the Toy Fair in February, so she can be on display, or Bachmann gives us an unpainted sneak peek possibly later this year. It took two years for Bachmann to get Oliver and Rusty out there. The same is most likely the case for Daisy. It's taking Bachmann four years to get Large Scale Diesel out there since he was first announced, due to being cancelled, and then recently brought back by popular demand.
I personally would go with the CGI render as I like how the buffer beams are more in height and the face is slightly smaller compare to Boco. At least if Bachmann does make Boco, then it would make it a bit less lazy for them to just remold the same face (remember how Arry and Bert failed because there's hardly any changes to the faces?).
As for whenever or not they should show the eye mechs, I don't really care as some details like that aren't something I dawdle on unless it's a defect on the item.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfXp5dL4fYs
Check this out, if you haven't already. This only makes me more excited about the fact that Bachmann is making Daisy :).
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ehy880pXkAYcBZy?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
While looking closely at Daisy's prop from the model series that now resides at Drayton Manor, it seems that Daisy's eyelashes are drawn on. This is a change from the original model (which included separate eyelashes) that I did not notice until someone posted a close-up pic of the model on Twitter. After looking at this pic, if separate eyelashes are not feasible for face of the Bachmann Daisy, I hope that it will at least consist of drawn eyelashes.
Since the update announcement has been made for Feb 18th, bumping this in the hopes we see some updates to Daisy. At the very least a first EP would be great.
Here's hoping we see a tooling sample of Daisy in the video in a few hours.
Looks like we're getting a Painted Sample of Daisy tomorrow......
A little birdie told me ;) ;D
Yes! Here's the link to the post: https://www.instagram.com/p/CO_Ae3SDGzC/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
Very excited to see the painted sample of our favorite diesel railcar in HO scale, Bachmann's first long, bogied diesel with moving eyes! ;D
Too bad I can't see it. I don't have instagram.
Maybe they'll post a picture down the line.
I am so glad to hear about this! And James, too!
I hate that Instagram started forcing you to sign up just to view anything on their site.
It's great that N Scale James and HO Scale Daisy are both finally being revealed fully painted very soon.
Fully painted sample screen grabs of Daisy
(https://i.gyazo.com/c6dede414db4fd405312ca75b71c37f0.jpg)
Thanks. I tried posting pics but it kept saying upload folder full.
Daisy looks terrific! Bachmann did a great job capturing her CGI appearance and her molded windows honestly don't really bother me all that much. It's a model I have on preorder already and I can imagine she is going to sell out very, very quickly. Looking forward to doing a usual review on the model when she is out.
At long last, we have some product updates!
Daisy is shaping up to be an incredible model, and her painted form looks quite clean and crisp. The only flaw that I can possibly think of are the solid windows, but even then, it's not a deal breaker in any way. I'm glad that Daisy is coming along very well and I eagerly await her release like many other fans are.
It's about time! Both HO Scale Daisy and N Scale James have finally been revealed fully painted.
Really looking forward to picking them both up. They should be available later this year. Their images should be posted to the webstore soon. Can't wait for high quality images of both products. Especially Daisy.
Still no update on Peter Sam.
Daisy looks great! I honestly really like her molded windows because not only is it consistent with the other diesel engines of the range, but it also hides the motors and/or wires from view. I probably won't get her for a few years, because I only have 10 engines and need to catch up with everyone
I hope it doesn't take too much longer for Daisy's image to be posted on the webstore, or high quality images to show up. Either that was a pre-production model, or that was the final model. Most likely the former. I, as well as many other people, are anxious to finally get their hands on a model of Daisy. She is the first long diesel with bogies to have moving eyes. A character Hornby never made. It's the first piece of merchandise Daisy is ACTUALLY getting since her return in CGI.
Apparently, Daisy's TrackMaster model was cancelled because Daisy was never really seen pulling cars, and they didn't know what cars to include with her. This is stupid because Diesel 10 was never seen pulling cars either, and he got TrackMaster models.
At least Daisy is getting a Bachmann model, which should definitely be available later this year; most likely fall. After that, we're getting Ryan. It's possible we may see Ryan by the end of this year considering he already has a price, which is a sign they've been working on him well before he was announced. Ryan will be the largest steam engine in the HO range in quite some time.
Because Diesel 10's claw breeches NMRA standards (as stated countless other times), the only other long bogie diesel to have even a remote chance is BoCo, another character Hornby never made. Though, the ones Hornby did make are Class 40 and Bear. The former was a one-off character, and the latter never even appeared in the TV Series.
TrainWorld has confirmed on Twitter that their next Thomas Tuesday event (that'll be on June 1st) will feature both painted models of HO Scale Daisy and N Scale James. I'm wondering if we'll end up seeing either of the two models in action at some point during the stream.
Source:
https://twitter.com/Trainworld/status/1397248027585302532
With long bogie diesels in the picture, I know it's been stated countless times that Diesel 10's claw breeches NMRA standards, and I have been sick of seeing requests for him, but now that I've been thinking about it, there was a time we thought the Narrow Gauge range would never happen. I heard that years ago, Bachmann may have considered Diesel 10 at some point, but never actually came into fruition. I started thinking about this more.
Does Diesel 10's claw really breech NMRA standards? Do we really know for sure? Bachmann has done non-Thomas breakdown cranes and electric engines with pantographs that stick out the top. Those didn't breech NMRA standards, and Bachmann was able to make those. Is there a way Bachmann could make Diesel 10's claw operable while still looking accurate? It could even be removable if it has to. I doubt it has to be completely static and fixed on like his TrackMaster models.
The only way to find out for sure if Diesel 10's claw breeches NMRA standards is if Bachmann representatives have the definitive answer. After all, Bachmann has been known to surprise us sometimes. We thought the Narrow Gauge range would never happen. We also didn't think Daisy would happen, but now she's officially on the way. If Diesel 10 really is impossible because of his claw, then the best other idea for another long bogie diesel is BoCo. With Daisy coming, it would just be nice to see more long diesels with bogies.
Another thing to add is that Diesel 10's claw would of course have to be manually operated, but no big deal. Apart from Daisy, Diesel 10 is the only other long diesel with bogies to appear in the CGI series (who isn't an international one).
This is just so cool! :) :)
We really don't know for sure whether or not Diesel 10's claw truly breeches NMRA standards. Only Bachmann themselves would know. Like I said in my counterargument, Bachmann has done rail cranes and electric engines with pantographs that stick out the top. Diesel 10's claw would have to be manually operated, but that's no big deal. The claw could even be removable.
Bachmann is known to surprise us sometimes. We used to think we'd never get the Narrow Gauge range. They also surprised us with a new N Scale Thomas range. We never thought we'd actually get a long bogie diesel until Daisy was announced. Maybe we should still request Diesel 10 anyway to see if he ever will be made. If Diesel 10 ever does get announced for HO Scale, it would defy so many expectations, especially those who thought he was impossible, including myself. If Bachmann considered him a while back, and with Daisy officially coming soon, thus bringing bogie diesels in the picture, Diesel 10 could have a better chance now. He would be the first engine in the HO Scale range to have a movable part other than eyes.
Even if HO Scale Diesel 10 may or may not happen, we can see if Bachmann does reconsider him for the near future, especially with Daisy on the horizon. Out of all the Magic Railroad-originated characters, Diesel 10 is the only one to appear in the CGI series, and is still a very popular character to this day. Daisy and Diesel 10 are the only long bogie diesels to appear in the CGI series who aren't international ones.
With Class 40 and Derek being one-off characters, the two best options for long bogie diesels in the HO Scale range are BoCo and Diesel 10. The only thing that makes BoCo a tough choice is the fact that he hasn't appeared in the show for over two decades. Bachmann might most likely choose Diesel 10 because he was actually in the CGI series, but his claw may be problematic, unless Bachmann has a way to do it. If we can't get Diesel 10, BoCo would also be welcomed, and sell very well. Either one would be very popular sellers.
Quote from: TrainFan97 on May 26, 2021, 07:14:06 PM
We really don't know for sure whether or not Diesel 10's claw truly breeches NMRA standards. Only Bachmann themselves would know. Like I said in my counterargument, Bachmann has done rail cranes and electric engines with pantographs that stick out the top. Diesel 10's claw would have to be manually operated, but that's no big deal. The claw could even be removable.
Bachmann is known to surprise us sometimes. We used to think we'd never get the Narrow Gauge range. They also surprised us with a new N Scale Thomas range. We never thought we'd actually get a long bogie diesel until Daisy was announced. Maybe we should still request Diesel 10 anyway to see if he ever will be made. If Diesel 10 ever does get announced for HO Scale, it would defy so many expectations, especially those who thought he was impossible, including myself. If Bachmann considered him a while back, and with Daisy officially coming soon, thus bringing bogie diesels in the picture, Diesel 10 could have a better chance now. He would be the first engine in the HO Scale range to have a movable part other than eyes.
Even if HO Scale Diesel 10 may or may not happen, we can see if Bachmann does reconsider him for the near future, especially with Daisy on the horizon. Out of all the Magic Railroad-originated characters, Diesel 10 is the only one to appear in the CGI series, and is still a very popular character to this day. Daisy and Diesel 10 are the only long bogie diesels to appear in the CGI series who aren't international ones.
With Class 40 and Derek being one-off characters, the two best options for long bogie diesels in the HO Scale range are BoCo and Diesel 10. The only thing that makes BoCo a tough choice is the fact that he hasn't appeared in the show for over two decades. Bachmann might most likely choose Diesel 10 because he was actually in the CGI series, but his claw may be problematic, unless Bachmann has a way to do it. If we can't get Diesel 10, BoCo would also be welcomed, and sell very well. Either one would be very popular sellers.
Yes we do know it breaches NMRA standards, it's been stated plenty of times.
Wow, Daisy looks amazing! :o In answer to my two main worries, Bachmann seems to have nailed the face, and the windows look great! Can't wait to see how far they've knocked it out of the park in the official images.
Quote from: TrainFan97 on May 26, 2021, 07:14:06 PM
We really don't know for sure whether or not Diesel 10's claw truly breeches NMRA standards. Only Bachmann themselves would know. Like I said in my counterargument, Bachmann has done rail cranes and electric engines with pantographs that stick out the top. Diesel 10's claw would have to be manually operated, but that's no big deal. The claw could even be removable.
Bachmann is known to surprise us sometimes. We used to think we'd never get the Narrow Gauge range. They also surprised us with a new N Scale Thomas range. We never thought we'd actually get a long bogie diesel until Daisy was announced. Maybe we should still request Diesel 10 anyway to see if he ever will be made. If Diesel 10 ever does get announced for HO Scale, it would defy so many expectations, especially those who thought he was impossible, including myself. If Bachmann considered him a while back, and with Daisy officially coming soon, thus bringing bogie diesels in the picture, Diesel 10 could have a better chance now. He would be the first engine in the HO Scale range to have a movable part other than eyes.
Even if HO Scale Diesel 10 may or may not happen, we can see if Bachmann does reconsider him for the near future, especially with Daisy on the horizon. Out of all the Magic Railroad-originated characters, Diesel 10 is the only one to appear in the CGI series, and is still a very popular character to this day. Daisy and Diesel 10 are the only long bogie diesels to appear in the CGI series who aren't international ones.
With Class 40 and Derek being one-off characters, the two best options for long bogie diesels in the HO Scale range are BoCo and Diesel 10. The only thing that makes BoCo a tough choice is the fact that he hasn't appeared in the show for over two decades. Bachmann might most likely choose Diesel 10 because he was actually in the CGI series, but his claw may be problematic, unless Bachmann has a way to do it. If we can't get Diesel 10, BoCo would also be welcomed, and sell very well. Either one would be very popular sellers.
If Bachmann really wanted to do D-10, they could probably find a way to make it happen, but given how utterly irrelevant he's been in the last decade or so, along with a rather lacking in popularity in comparison to other characters that have yet to be produced, and his large size, on top of the fact that he wouldn't be able to share a chassis with Daisy given their differences in size and wheel arrangement, I don't think its something that'll happen in the foreseeable future. I'm sure BoCo is on the way sooner rather than later tho, he's well liked, highly in demand, and with Daisy now introduced, he'd be a fairly easy retool, with only the body, and possibly the eye mechanism needing to be done.
With BoCo though, they have to remember that his wheel arrangement is a Co-Bo, with his front bogie having 6 wheels, and the rear bogie having 4 wheels for a total of 10 wheels. Daisy is a Bo-Bo, with both bogies only having 4 wheels each, for a total of 8 wheels.
I Expect that they will need to adjust one of the bogies into a 6-wheel configuration, maybe add a set of non-motorized wheels in between. It would be extremely inaccurate otherwise, to the TVS, the RWS, and the real loco.
So, BoCo is more likely to be the next long bogie diesel in the HO Scale range. He's been in much more demand for many years. Bachmann would have to make a new tooling for BoCo, but his overall shape is a box, so it shouldn't be too hard. Because BoCo wasn't in the CGI series, he'll have to be made in his model series design. BoCo could use the same rear bogie as Daisy, with possible slight modifications, but Bachmann has to give BoCo a six-wheeled bogie for the front. BoCo will definitely be a huge seller from Bachmann if he does get made in the near future.
BoCo would be Bachmann's first ever Co-Bo diesel. With a six-wheeled bogie at the front, and a four-wheeled bogie at the rear.
Yeah. BoCo would just be cool. I'd buy a Bachmann BoCo in a heartbeat. :)
As long as Mattel continues to do what they do, and as long as they have the brand, Boco will NEVER happen.
There you go again, Rodimus. Jumping straight to conclusions, and dismissing suggestions as impossible. Stepney was never in the CGI series, either, and Bachmann acknowledged his demand earlier this year, so just because a popular character hasn't appeared in the show for some time, that doesn't necessarily make them out of the question. We may or may not get Stepney, but we can only wait and see, as Bachmann is fully aware of his demand, and that would certainly open up the window for BoCo. Will Stepney actually get made? Only time will tell. Same for BoCo.
Bachmann is in a better position than they were several years ago, especially since they've expanded their Thomas models to the UK. With the original show being axed in favor of the infamous upcoming cartoon reboot, Bachmann has to stick with the model/CGI series designs because the reboot designs are much too cartoony for high-quality model trains, even more-so than Chuggington.
Well said TrainFan97! :)
At this point, unless he's actually affecting anyone, just ignore Rodimus. Clearly he just enjoys stirring things up for the sake of it...
Quote from: TrainFan97 on May 27, 2021, 09:51:19 PM
Bachmann is in a better position than they were several years ago, especially since they've expanded their Thomas models to the UK. With the original show being axed in favor of the infamous upcoming cartoon reboot, Bachmann has to stick with the model/CGI series designs because the reboot designs are much too cartoony for high-quality model trains, even more-so than Chuggington.
My thoughts exactly. With no more new characters being created that have an even remote possibility of being made into models (not that anyone would want them anyway) Bachmann has no choice but to either make older characters, like Ryan and Daisy, or put the whole line on the chopping block. Obviously they'll go with the former, because as we all know, if there's money to be made, Mattel will drain the source until theres nothing left before getting rid of it.
Quote from: Armada Starscream on May 27, 2021, 02:07:55 PM
With BoCo though, they have to remember that his wheel arrangement is a Co-Bo, with his front bogie having 6 wheels, and the rear bogie having 4 wheels for a total of 10 wheels. Daisy is a Bo-Bo, with both bogies only having 4 wheels each, for a total of 8 wheels.
I Expect that they will need to adjust one of the bogies into a 6-wheel configuration, maybe add a set of non-motorized wheels in between. It would be extremely inaccurate otherwise, to the TVS, the RWS, and the real loco.
Yeah, I forgot that, but it wouldn't be a difficult adjustment to make, especially since they could just alter the non driven bogie and leave the rest as is.
Quote from: ScrumptiouslySouthern on May 29, 2021, 01:57:29 PM
At this point, unless he's actually affecting anyone, just ignore Rodimus. Clearly he just enjoys stirring things up for the sake of it...
Quote from: TrainFan97 on May 27, 2021, 09:51:19 PM
Bachmann is in a better position than they were several years ago, especially since they've expanded their Thomas models to the UK. With the original show being axed in favor of the infamous upcoming cartoon reboot, Bachmann has to stick with the model/CGI series designs because the reboot designs are much too cartoony for high-quality model trains, even more-so than Chuggington.
My thoughts exactly. With no more new characters being created that have an even remote possibility of being made into models (not that anyone would want them anyway) Bachmann has no choice but to either make older characters, like Ryan and Daisy, or put the whole line on the chopping block. Obviously they'll go with the former, because as we all know, if there's money to be made, Mattel will drain the source until theres nothing left before getting rid of it.
Quote from: Armada Starscream on May 27, 2021, 02:07:55 PM
With BoCo though, they have to remember that his wheel arrangement is a Co-Bo, with his front bogie having 6 wheels, and the rear bogie having 4 wheels for a total of 10 wheels. Daisy is a Bo-Bo, with both bogies only having 4 wheels each, for a total of 8 wheels.
I Expect that they will need to adjust one of the bogies into a 6-wheel configuration, maybe add a set of non-motorized wheels in between. It would be extremely inaccurate otherwise, to the TVS, the RWS, and the real loco.
Yeah, I forgot that, but it wouldn't be a difficult adjustment to make, especially since they could just alter the non driven bogie and leave the rest as is.
And yet you're opening your mouth to stir things up because you think you're superior to people. Shut up.
Well isn't that certainly the pot calling the kettle black....
Rodimus, I don't know where you think you are. But that kind of language is not welcome on this forum, nor is your usual hostility.
I'm not sure what your issue is, but this is not the place to sort it out.
Quote from: thomasj219 on May 30, 2021, 02:52:44 PM
Well isn't that certainly the pot calling the kettle black....
Rodimus, I don't know where you think you are. But that kind of language is not welcome on this forum, nor is your usual hostility.
I'm not sure what your issue is, but this is not the place to sort it out.
He knows what this place is, he's been on the forum for over 10 years under different accounts, and has gotten two threads deleted in the last month because of his continued behavior. I'm not getting why this is happening a third time already. One would think a forum veteran would know how to behave without the needs for moderators to get involved. Most of us are grown adults who know how to cooperate and behave on social media.
But really, let me address the matter more directly; BoCo is what I would consider an "unlikely" engine. However, any business runs through supply and demand. If there's a sudden, overwhelming demand for a product of some kind, the odds of that product being made increase. Take note of something like... SpongeBob "meme" toys. Nickelodeon, on their own, would probably never think twice to make toys based on those specific moments from SpongeBob. However, since they became popular with people they know consume SpongeBob media and products, opened the opportunity for them to make merchandise based off those memes. It's a broad example, but the principle applies in general to most things; customers enjoy and want something, brands make merchandise of it.
We don't need anymore disharmony here.
Anyways, Bachmann might consider BoCo if the demand for him is strong enough, like Stepney's. If Stepney gets announced in the near future, that would be the perfect time for BoCo's demand to surge, especially now that bogie diesels are in the picture. If fans are vocal enough about wanting BoCo, Bachmann might acknowledge his demand like they did for Stepney. Both of them are characters that never appeared in the CGI series, and have been requested for many years.
Unlike Stepney, BoCo never even got a Hornby model.
Quote from: Rodimus Supreme on May 30, 2021, 01:29:56 PM
And yet you're opening your mouth to stir things up because you think you're superior to people. Shut up.
I almost shed a tear... :'(
Everyone here knows what you're like Rodimus, and as far as I can see, most of them are sick of it. People are allowed to have opinions, so put on your big boy pants or you might as well just get off the forum, because your constant bullying, harassment, and arrogance is out of line and is getting old real fast.
Dear All,
Rodimus is no longer with us...
Sorry...
the Bach-man
Now that Rodimus got canned, we can get back on topic without anymore disharmony. He's gotten a few threads taken down from starting flame wars.
Anyway, HO Scale Daisy turned out so great, I've already been wanting to see an N Scale model of her, but we may not get any side characters in the N Scale range until we get all eight members of the original Steam Team first. If N Scale Daisy eventually does happen, Bachmann can just scale her HO Scale tooling down to N Scale. Right now, the #1 priority for N Scale is Edward.
For more long bogie diesels in the HO Scale range, I'm sure Bachmann could figure out a way to get Diesel 10's claw incorporated, though he would use a different chassis than Daisy. Regarding the claw, Bachmann has done non-Thomas breakdown cranes and electric engines with pantographs that stick out the top, so it could be possible. Diesel 10 would of course have his not-so-scary CGI face. Bachmann may have considered Diesel 10 years ago, but never actually came into fruition. With long bogie diesels now in the picture, Diesel 10 could be reconsidered.
HO Scale BoCo seems more likely because the rear bogie could be modified from Daisy's, but he needs a six-wheeled bogie at the front. He would be Bachmann's first ever diesel with a "Co-Bo" configuration. The only problem with BoCo is that he never appeared in the CGI series, nor the show itself in over two decades. Before the CGI series, it's unknown why the producers never used his model again, even though it did survive past Magic Railroad. They could've rendered BoCo for the CGI series, but it never happened because Mattel would rather put out their resources to half-baked international characters. I've waited YEARS for BoCo to return in the CGI series, but now it's not gonna happen, no thanks to the embarrassing disaster "Big World Big Adventures" which killed the show, but that's a completely different topic. Stepney being announced should help to raise BoCo's chances for the HO Scale range.
Quote from: TrainFan97 on June 05, 2021, 01:28:21 AM
Stepney being announced should help to raise BoCo's chances for the HO Scale range.
I'm on a similar boat myself. For now, I'm waiting to see if Stepney will be introduced first since all the hype and demand for him is clearly there. At this point I think it's just a matter of whether or not Mattel will approve it. Once Stepney gets approved then I could see more non-CG characters eventually being considered like BoCo, Duke, Arthur, and so on. Either way, I think it will really open up the door for Bachmann to introduce more nostalgic characters and continue to get strong sales, but for now I'm willing to give it one day at a time with Stepney first.
I now have the BoCo and Diesel 10 topic in its own thread, so that conversation can continue there.
Still no proper shots of Daisy yet? :-\
Not sure if this has been posted anywhere in the thread yet but it's a running video of Daisy.
https://youtu.be/Ml1zWl16hlE
Didn't they say the official images of HO Scale Daisy and N Scale James will be posted to the webstore a week ago? It's possible they lied, things came up, or it's taking longer than expected.
I'm honestly stunned at how great Daisy turned out. Funnily enough, a number of years ago in a prediction or wishlist thread I'd jotted her down as a most-likely candidate to be produced. However-many years later here we are! ;D
Huge thanks for Bachmann for continuing to make such faithful models for us fans over the years. Daisy is as true to herself as anyone could have imagined- and as we approach the halfway mark through the year, let's continue to be hopeful for and supportive of Bachmann to continue producing faithful models of our friends.
I'm not sure why the recent posts on Daisy just vanished, but I got her last year and she's one of the best models Bachmann made since getting back into the hobby.