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Title: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: TerencetheTractor525 on July 28, 2019, 11:22:29 PM
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Stepney and Ryan are the two most popular engines that Bachmann Thomas fans want to see made after Daisy. Thus, I thought that it would be a good idea to make a new thread discussing these two engines, giving the Bachmann reps a very clear idea of why announcing one of the two for February 2020 would be a very smart idea, even if it seems unlikely at first glance.

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Personally, I am on Team Stepney :).

The number one reason why I believe that it would be best to announce Stepney in February 2020 (and before Ryan) is that 2020, Thomasí 75th Anniversary, might be the one reason that would allow Bachmann to make an engine who has not appeared in the CGI Series. The 75th Anniversary is a time to glorify golden figures of Thomasí past, and Stepney is no exception. He is such a charming and nostalgic engine who has constantly been a popular suggestion among fans. Additional reasons have been stated by many Bachmann Thomas fans, so Iíll leave this link here: https://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/board/index.php/topic,34526.75.html
The entire page is full of reasons as to why Stepney would be a great candidate.

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Ryan, on the other hand, is much bigger, which means that he would be more expensive to make. He also includes more small parts than Stepney, so I think that announcing an engine who would cost more money to make, and is less popular next, does not make sense. Even so, Ryan and Daisy essentially go together. Hence, the profit that would be received from Daisy and Stepney as well as the UK should allow Ryan to get announced in a later year.

Moreover, I firmly believe that an HO Stepney should be even more of a priority than Narrow Gauge Sir Handel or even an N Scale James as far as new toolings are concerned for February 2020. Considering that Sir Handel has appeared in the CGI Series, he could get announced at any other point, just like Ryan. The same can be stated for the N Scale James. The only other new tooling that currently stands in front is the narrow gauge brake van due to the amount of discussion there has been on it, and that the narrow gauge carriages have finally been revealed too.

Even if announcing Stepney in February 2020 means that he would have to be delayed like Oliver, Iím sure fans would be willing to wait. Itís much better to have such a sought-after engine who has not appeared in the CGI series get announced, but then delayed because of a special anniversary, than not get made at all.

Now, if the licencor is still against producing Stepney due to the fact that he has not appeared in the CGI series, even if it is the 75th Anniversary, I think that they are forgetting that most parents of young children who are only familiar with the current characters will generally only buy a Bachmann Thomas starter set, and few of the other main engines and rolling stock. The Bachmann Thomas HO line currently has over twenty engines, most of whom have had main roles in the CGI series. And the average parent would not buy all the engines, considering how expensive they are and that there are cheaper alternatives. It is only the serious Thomas fans who will buy all the engines. In fact, one of my friends who grew up watching the late model series on television (seasons 8, 9, 10, 11) did not know who Stepney was as a kid, but because he never lost interest in Thomas, he discovered the older episodes on YouTube that included Stepney and realized how much charm there is to the episodes that involved him. He didn't grow up with the original seasons, yet he still thought they were better. That's why he even wants to see Stepney get made before any newer character, including Ryan. As a result, at this point, it's not about if the engine is currently in the show. It's about the engine itself and how many people there are who would like to see it made. From this thinking, more profit will be received, which means that more exciting products can get made later on, not just for the Thomas line, but Bachmann Trains altogether. 

That's why I think that announcing Stepney for February 2020 would be a very smart move.

Lastly, here are some questions:
Are you on Team Stepney or Team Ryan? Why?
Do you agree that announcing one of the two for February 2020 is a wise move, even if it meant that the completion of the model would be delayed?






Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: thomasj219 on July 28, 2019, 11:32:58 PM
I donít think I need to tell anyone that Iím definitely team Stepney.

 I like Ryan as well.  But Stepney is just more of a character. Plus heís a classic.
Iíd love to see him coming down the line with a few red coaches behind him.

 Certain characters have such a demand that even if they have not come back and CGI I feel they have a chance.  With the 75th anniversary around the corner  Stepney's have never been higher. Plus weíd get a model face!

Please Bachmann, do us another favor and make Stepney next.

And while youíre at it update the resin range and use Duncanís Model design.

But more on that later..... ;)


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: JLK2707 on July 29, 2019, 02:36:30 AM
Team Ryan, as he is just too good to be without Daisy! :)


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: Trainboy 48 on July 29, 2019, 03:33:52 AM
Team Ryan, I'm placing bets on Ryan cuz without him Daisy wouldn't have anyone to run the Harwick Branch Line.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: Thomas fan on July 29, 2019, 11:55:33 AM
I,m 100% on team Stepney cuz i've bin wanting him for a long time and the Hornby Stepney is so rare and if Bachmann made him he would have moving eyes but Ryan is new and in the CGI show and Dasiy is going to be made so Ryan is good idea but i would like Stepney.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: Cheeky_ULP on July 29, 2019, 12:55:54 PM
I would say do Stepney first. Stepneys classic design is more market-able and memorable. A CGI design risks alienating the older audience (aka the people with actual money in their wallets) who are the main people who would even care about a character like Stepney. Ryan meanwhile, is a safe gamble that could be produced any time, any year in the new future and would have roughly the same outcome and reception, and only one design to pick from. Stepney is a ticking clock, depending if Mattel decides to bring him back or not.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: steakandcake on July 29, 2019, 05:05:46 PM
While I do think Stepney would be the best option as the next character with a new mold, I do think that Ryan should be considered for production after Stepney. First of all, Ryan is a newer character which means he would be more recognizable to younger fans. Speaking of recognizability, if Ryan was produced, his purple livery would certainly stand out among other characters, as there are currently no purple engines in the range. Finally, with Daisy getting announced, Ryan would be a great choice to follow up on, because as we all know, they share a branch line.

While I do think Stepney is the absolute go-to next new character, I thought it would be good to mention why Ryan would be good to come after Stepney.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: DucktheGWREngine08 on July 29, 2019, 08:12:09 PM
Team Ryan because MATTEL WILL NOT LET BACHMANN MAKE ANY CHARACTERS THAT ARE NOT IN THE CURRENT SEASEASONS.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: Falcon the 2nd on July 29, 2019, 09:59:01 PM
Stepney has my pick. All shared reasons considered, it's easy to see why he is an utterly perfect choice for a new HO tooling in 2020. I would hope Mattel remains open to letting Bachmann produce characters that have been gone for ages, if last year's Spiteful Brakevan is anything to go by.

If we end up getting Ryan as a new tooling, I'll welcome him with open arms too. Either character is fine, though Stepney would be a greater choice for the long run. :)


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: TerencetheTractor525 on July 29, 2019, 11:29:42 PM
Team Ryan because MATTEL WILL NOT LET BACHMANN MAKE ANY CHARACTERS THAT ARE NOT IN THE CURRENT SEASEASONS.

Well, Bachmann did make the Spiteful Brake Van, but even if your argument is that Bachmann will not make classic engines with new toolings that have not appeared in the CGI series, this tells me that you did not read what I posted above carefully. Please do when you get the chance  :-\.

Anyways, thank you to everyone who has already posted who they would prefer to see made first. For those who are on Team Ryan, I completely understand that Ryan is Daisyís main companion in the CGI series, but remember that he could be made at any point, whereas Stepney is something that would be very special for the 75th Anniversary.

Lastly, letís remember that in the fall of 2014, a Bachmann Thomas fan asked Doug Blaine if Oliver is being planned for 2015: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TBl1e0wWbRU
Mr. Blaine said that there were no plans for Oliver yet, but Oliver and Toad were still announced in 2015. Therefore, as long as Bachmann acts quickly with the licensor, Iím sure that announcing Stepney for February 2020 would be possible  :).


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: Chaz on July 30, 2019, 02:02:43 AM
Team Ryan because MATTEL WILL NOT LET BACHMANN MAKE ANY CHARACTERS THAT ARE NOT IN THE CURRENT SEASEASONS.

There are better ways to express your views on this forum rather than yelling at people in your post with caps lock on.  I would encourage you to think about that as well as taking the time to read Terenceís post a lot more carefully about why he thinks Stepney should be made.

Anyways, definitely more in favor of Stepney than Ryan.  I agree he should take priority for a new tooling over anything else Bachmann announces, with the exception of narrow gauge brake vans.  Hopefully once Daisy is nearing completion or is released Bachmann would then be able to pull off another new tooling that will give them strong sales like how Daisy would and there really is no better candidate than Stepney for many reasons stated earlier including the link that was posted earlier, which also shows my in-depth thoughts for him. 


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: steakandcake on July 30, 2019, 10:35:31 AM
Honestly, it doesn't matter to me who gets made first. I just hope we don't get Sidney.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: Thomas fan on July 30, 2019, 11:29:25 AM
I just looked at the wiki pages and found merchandise for Stepney and there is like nothing so it would be great if Bachmann made him.
https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Stepney/Merchandise


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: SodorRoundhouse on July 30, 2019, 02:23:44 PM
Honestly, I think both engines are great and both would probably do great sales if announced, but I feel Stepney is the direction Bachmann should take. His popularity with Thomas Fans and those at the Bluebell Railway are very high and not to mention in terms of designs, Stepney is pretty simplistic. Ryan however is much more detailed as heís designed a lot more accurately to his real life basis. To be honest, I feel the demand for the Bluebell Engine alone is reason enough to make the model, but thatís just me.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: TrainFan97 on July 30, 2019, 04:10:39 PM
If Mattel strictly wanted Bachmann to only make characters that appeared in the CGI ceries, we wouldn't have gotten the Spiteful Brake Van.

Another thing Mattel needs to realize is that most collectors of Bachmann Thomas models are adults who grew up with the classic series. Most kids would just be okay with a Thomas set alone, while the people who actually have money are the ones who start collections. With the 75th Anniversary on the horizon, there is no better time for Bachmann to make Stepney. His Hornby model is hard to find without costing a phenomenal amount of money. Ryan would be great to fall back on if we can't get Stepney.

If BoCo ever comes back, there's a good chance his CGI render would benefit, like Daisy's. Stepney, on the other hand, would most likely suffer the same render problems as Oliver, and it would make people not want him, so it's best that Bachmann makes Stepney before CGI ruins him, and have him made based on his model series design.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: TheBlueSnowplow (Griffin) on July 30, 2019, 04:58:34 PM
Not only is Stepney a real-life engine, which would appeal to serious modellers with (grand)kids looking for Thomas models to run on their layouts, but the success and subsequent prices of the discontinued Hornby Stepney prove that there is a highly lucrative market for a model of the character in HO. I think Bachmann would be unwise to lose the opportunity of a 75th anniversary to release this highly revered, classic series engine.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: Elsbridge Productions on July 30, 2019, 07:13:47 PM
Personally I'd love to see either Stepney or Ryan, and I can see good reasons for making either of them. But it think it's more important in some cases to encourage Bachmann to produce characters which have some meaning behind them instead of a character whom the fans dont care for. Stepney or Ryan would both be great additions, but there are sooo many new characters now that I wouldn't want to see made (like the international engines) as they are just poorly implemented and not well recieved, so I do hope bachmann doesnt feel the need to introduce a character like that.

Sorry if that's a little off topic and rambling, I just thought it would be important to stress that point.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: TerencetheTractor525 on July 31, 2019, 04:25:54 PM
Very happy to see that many people are interested in seeing Stepney announced next! Really hoping that we donít just get a repaint such as the LBSC Thomas announced in February 2020 as the HO locomotive :/ Stepney and the Narrow Gauge Brake Van are the two new toolings that will make February 2020ís new product announcement grand!

Come on, Bachmann! Letís make the 75th Anniversary strong by announcing Stepney in February 2020! We are rooting for you! :).


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: TrainFan97 on July 31, 2019, 06:59:34 PM
Very happy to see that many people are interested in seeing Stepney announced next! Really hoping that we donít just get a repaint such as the LBSC Thomas announced in February 2020 as the HO locomotive :/ Stepney and the Narrow Gauge Brake Van are the two new toolings that will make February 2020ís new product announcement grand!

Come on, Bachmann! Letís make the 75th Anniversary strong by announcing Stepney in February 2020! We are rooting for you! :).

My thoughts exactly! I don't care if Stepney ends up getting delayed, as long as he gets announced. Just another recolor like Sidney would be disappointing, if we don't get another new tooling announced, but I understand that new toolings aren't cheap. In this case, it's the 75th Anniversary, which would be a big deal. Especially if Stepney gets made in his model design, his sales will be off the charts.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: Legomastr 365 on August 11, 2019, 10:53:45 PM
I'm team Stepney all the way. He's a very underrated character all around. And after Hornby discontinued the Thomas and Friends version of their Stepney, you'd be lucky to find one floating around on ebay for under $200.00. If Bachmann released their own Stepney, it would be a massive relief to everyone that they don't need to buy Hornby's dodgy new terrier (I bought two, trust me, very dodgy pickups and build) and Bachmann could get a leg up on Hornby.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: Thomas__Blue on August 11, 2019, 11:36:10 PM
I would enjoy seeing Bachmann handle Stepney. The Hornby one I own is quite good, though I'd loved to see one more accurate to the one seen in the television series. But that's just my opinion.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: DaSlickstanator on August 12, 2019, 12:08:00 AM
Yes, I would definitely like to see Stepney made for next year. Even if he's not relevant to the show anymore, it would be unique to release him in time for the 75th anniversary.  ;D

And Ryan would be great to see too, seeing that he was introduced in a anniversary special!


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: callancastle13 on August 12, 2019, 12:29:09 AM
Stepney would honestly be a really great engine to own. He wasnít seen a whole lot, but is insanely popular among Thomas fans. One thing I like about Stepney that I feel really sticks out is his color. Heís one of the only engines in the show with a color scheme so unique, and I believe it will surely stick out to many fans of Thomas, young or old. The other thing is the fact that his basis looks exactly like the one youíd see on the bluebell railway. As you said about the 75th anniversary approaching, having an older character which (in most cases) represents the bygone era of the models would be really neat. Older characters (such as the spiteful breakvan and Duck) seem to be a hit with fans who grew up with the show, so having Stepney in the line up would surely be great to see


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: Jadand247 on August 12, 2019, 04:33:47 PM
This is a really interesting post! Itís really hard to decide who to pick between Ryan and Stepney, both are great characters with great designs! But I feel like both would be great for Bachmann to make! But Stepney himself, is one of many favorite characters of mine, and I know many other fans feel the same way about him too! I think with enough effort, Bachmann can do it! You guys can do it! ;)


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: TrainFan365 on August 12, 2019, 07:50:53 PM
I'd much prefer Stepney over Ryan, as it seems you guys do too, due to the fact that he's a classic character and Hornby retired him years ago before the whole range was retired.  Profits would be better, and we would be willing to pay however much money necessary to finally be able to own a Stepney model. 


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: TM24 on August 12, 2019, 07:55:51 PM
Introducing Stepney instead of Ryan would be more favorable among bachmann and train fans. Older, model series characters are more sought after. I can say without hesitation that Stepney would sell more than Ryan. Many other terrific points and arguments towards releasing Stepney have been said countless times already. It makes the most sense to create Stepney as the next standard gauge engine.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: ChrisLaRoxk on August 13, 2019, 10:20:49 AM
Personally I would like to see a accurate television series model of Stepney In the H0 Range so that Thomas fans old and new can learn about the background as Stepney as a character and along with having him come out on the 75th anniversary of the Thomas and Friends franchise in 2020 but for the year after I believe Ryan should come out in 2021 the following year.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: thomasj219 on August 13, 2019, 12:48:08 PM
Also, with Bachmann now being able to sell in Europe.  Consideration of modelers will (or should) be taken much more into account. Thereís an incredible market for it out there. I mean, the Bluebell railway would love it.


 This could be a very lucrative time for Bachmann and for us as old fans.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: Crazy Thomas on August 13, 2019, 12:57:22 PM
I think Stepney is a better option than Ryan because he is a classic character. However, since Daisy was announced Ryan would also be a good option.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: TayBowes917 on August 13, 2019, 01:24:24 PM
The classic characters, and RWS characters for that matter, have always been first on my list to own from any retailer. Stepney would be a beautiful model and I agree that he would most likely be less expensive to make than Ryan. Seeing as Hornby had made Stepney, Bachmann should take this route as well and make a TV series accurate version of him for us "older" fans. Ryan would make a great model too but I definitely am hoping for Bachmann to consider the classics first and foremost with their plans to release Daisy.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: Thomas fan on August 13, 2019, 01:45:44 PM
Honestly Ryan has more of a chance to be made cuz Bachmann just said they were releasing Daisy in 2020 and they are in the CGI show but I really REALLY like Stepney and would want him more.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: Narrow Gauge Collector on August 13, 2019, 01:59:17 PM
TerrencetheTractor525 has brought up some excellent and valid points for the announcement of a model in early 2020 upon the arrival of the 75th anniversary of Thomas and Friends. I'd like to second the fact that many parents are not going to be purchasing many Bachmann Thomas products aside from the Starter sets and maybe a engine or two like Percy and James. This is why I'd like to take a minute to acknowledge and thank Bachmann's awarness of what the teen and adult Thomas collectors would like to see as evidenced by the fantastic narrow gauge range( a little off topic but what from I see these items also appeal to traditional Narrow Gauge modelers too as they can be easily converted into the real Talyllyn engines!) and items like: the Spiteful Brakevan, Scottish Twins, and the forthcoming Daisy. If Bachmann have produced these items many of which would not appeal to Parents and Children and the sales of these items have been sufficient then I feel Stepney would be a great choice to commemorate the anniversary. The Thomas and Friends Stepney model that was produced by Hornby has been off the market for many years now and is a rare site to see 2nd hand, often fetching prices that are not affordable. I'd like to see Stepney be produced by Bachmann so that Thomas fans, especially in the US, have a chance at getting a engine which is easily recognizable within the confines of the Thomas and Friends show and the real world. Ryan would be a nice addition to the range though among the collectors who I presume are buying many of the character released Stepney would have much wider appeal.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: TheFamousEight on August 13, 2019, 02:40:49 PM
My pick would absolutely be Stepney, as it would be a cost effective and more universal way to celebrate the 75th anniversary of the franchise. Stepney has a wide appeal amongst modelers in and outside of the Thomas fandom, and is still beloved by several modern generations of Thomas fans. His release would also inspire several people who do not normally purchase Bachmann products to start their own Thomas and Friends collection.

Ryan is still a good model nonetheless but his size and details will make him a very complicated and expensive model to produce. As someone who has spent hours cad designing models of Ryan I can say with confidence that he would take a lot of time to design and mold due to all the complicated tubing, shapes, etc... He would be better suited for after the 75th anniversary.



Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: BGM Reviews on August 13, 2019, 09:11:15 PM
Hey everyone first post here!

As much as I would love to see Ryan made to go along with Daisy for the 75th anniversary Stepney would make the most sense.  As he is one of the few remaining classic characters we need from the first 4 seasons.

Plus with the level of detail Bachmann has been going to recently I'm sure a Stepney model would look fantastic!


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: Chaz on August 13, 2019, 10:57:16 PM
Have to admit I am surprised that lots of new members have joined recently only to just post in this thread.  But hey if it means supporting Stepney, the more the merrier I say!  It seems that the demand for Stepney has definitely increased a lot more the moment Daisy got announced and it clearly shows how popular a model of Stepney would be and how much of a following this character has despite not being in the CGI series.  Itís also nice seeing lots of different perspectives behind why he should be made too, so more power to him.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: TerencetheTractor525 on August 13, 2019, 11:11:08 PM
Extremely happy with the amount of people who on board with seeing Stepney announced next! At this rate, it would be rather disappointing if Bachmann does not announce him for the 75th Anniversary.

Every episode Stepney stars in is brilliant after all  ;D. For instance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-yHoSMEf2M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPGQtz1lvZU



Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: TrainMan2001 on August 14, 2019, 10:09:04 AM
I have been waiting for a while to post my thoughts in this thread, but I might as well speak up, since everyone else is. I would also really like Bachmann to do a model of Stepney. It would be the perfect way to celebrate the 75th anniversary, plus it would fit in really well with the recently released Rusty model. I would love to see Stepney announced for 2020.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: TrainFan97 on August 14, 2019, 04:13:22 PM
Ever since Daisy was announced a month ago, the demand for Stepney is higher than it ever was. In other words, skyrocketed. Maybe after Stepney gets announced, the demand for BoCo could also increase, possibly to this level.

With this much demand for Stepney, it would be foolish of Mattel to not let Bachmann make him. That would just be saying no to our money. If Mattel approves Stepney, that means Bachmann can still make characters who have yet to appear in full CGI, and in their model series designs. The two strongest model series characters are Stepney, and currently to a lesser extent, BoCo.

I saw someone mention how detailed Ryan is, and he could be hard to make, despite sharing the same branch line as Daisy.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: Thomas fan on August 14, 2019, 04:51:56 PM
Bachmann if the fans(us)want a character that we will pay MONEY for make us happy with a character we want.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: TheToadTrain on August 14, 2019, 10:34:25 PM
I love both characters. It's hard to choose one as both are some of the best the Thomas franchise has to offer. However, I would rather Bachmann produce Stepney over Ryan. Stepney is a real locomotive, and an iconic one at that. I would love to see kids be introduced to this engine via the Thomas character, which has been done so in the past. Stepney is the gateway to real-world locomotives; he is beyond a fictional character and enables the illusion that Sodor could exist in real life. I think kids would like Stepney. He would be nice and small--not as expensive as other engines--and his yellow and green color scheme would be sure to gaunter attention. Not only would his small size be more cost efficient to produce, it would allow for a Terrier model to be made and retooled for later usage. Considering that Bachmann plans on introducing their Thomas line to the UK next year, I'm sure Stepney could not only serve as a warm welcome but a reminder of the heritage behind the Reverend's original railway stories. Kids in the UK would especially live Stepney as they would recognize him beyond the show and direct them towards real life engines. Stepney not being in the current show actually works in his favor, as when I was a kid characters like D199 and Culdee that were only seen in the books only amplified my interest in them and encouraged me to research them. I know Hornby has made this character in the past--I actually own the little guy--but he's become virtually impossible to find or get at a cheap price. I think Stepney could sell well and would make a great addition to the line.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: ThomasBachmn94 on August 14, 2019, 11:32:54 PM
As much as a model of Ryan would be amazing, I'm thinking Stepney's model would be best since the Hornby version is very rare to find (So I'm team Stepney)


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: ŇngloketThomas on August 15, 2019, 06:50:15 AM
I Think Stepney whould probably be the best decision for Bachmann to make! :)


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: JLK2707 on August 15, 2019, 09:50:59 AM
I just agree with a bachmann Stepney.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: thesplendidredengine5 on August 15, 2019, 12:55:41 PM
Definitely want bachmann to make Stepney;)


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: DinoNTrains on August 15, 2019, 05:51:59 PM
I'd personally be happy with both engines. However, if I had to pick one, I would vote for Stepney. My reason is that he's a popular nostalgic character, and, as mentioned before, he is a real engine, which I think might add an appeal to any rail enthusiast.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: NWRmodeller on August 15, 2019, 07:01:52 PM
While Ryan is one of my favourite CGI era characters, thereís no doubt that it should be Stepney who should be announced for the 75th anniversary year.  Heís such a popular and iconic character and it would be stupid for bachmann not to consider making him.  Furthermore, I think it would help to raise awareness for his real life counterpart, who at the present moment is having problems regarding his future as a running steam locomotive.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: JLK2707 on August 15, 2019, 11:00:06 PM
Great point, but Iíd rather just have both.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: Theironkiss666 on August 16, 2019, 06:01:40 AM
Definitely Stepney, they need to finish the classic engines


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: PercyMan on August 16, 2019, 10:24:36 PM
Iím team Stepney all the way. I have been waiting for a while for Bachmanís to release an HO Stepney model.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: TheMaithwaiteModeller on August 17, 2019, 12:43:18 AM
I would have to be on Team Stepney, even though i would be happy with either.
I feel like Stepney is more of a iconic character.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: JD417 on August 17, 2019, 03:10:12 AM
There's not much I could add on to this that hasn't already been said, but I'm on team Stepney.
Just as he's one of the very few classic characters left and I really would like to see them wrap off the golden age of Thomas before moving onto nothing but new characters. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see Ryan, but Stepney should be first, no doubt.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: Thomas fan on August 17, 2019, 08:32:14 AM
I think one of the reasons that every Thomas fan wants Stepney is because Mattel has done the disaster of Big World Big Adventures and all fans want somthng that they will make them know that,its not over for Thomas and friends and Stepney is the perfect engine.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: TerencetheTractor525 on August 17, 2019, 09:27:45 AM
Exactly! With the amount of people who want to see Stepney made, I really hope that we wonít just get a Green LBSC Thomas and/or Black James for February 2020ís HO engine. :-\

Stepney would be a much more exciting announcement for the anniversary!  :)


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: Toad139 on August 17, 2019, 01:27:07 PM
I personally hope Stepney gets made.  I have much more of an affinity towards classic series characters, however I understand that Mattel would probably rather them make models based on characters that are currently on the show. That being said, as other have mentioned, it is the 75th  anniversary and Stepney would be a much more cost effective model to produce, so there are some factors working in his favor.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: TrainFan97 on August 17, 2019, 03:06:46 PM
The only standard gauge engines from Seasons 1-4 that Bachmann hasn't made yet are BoCo, Stepney and The Diesel/Class 40. BoCo can be considered after Stepney, as the second large diesel, plus Hornby never made him. The only problem with Class 40 is that he was a one-off character, with Bowled Out as his only speaking role, although Hornby did make him. Technically, Bachmann UK does have Class 40; the locomotive. Not really a character I'd expect anytime soon. BoCo is still possible after Stepney.

Like everyone else, I'm on Team Stepney, and hope he gets announced in February 2020. Even if he gets delayed, it's good as long as he gets announced. It will be more than worth the wait.

I think Daisy's announcement has restored everyone's faith in Bachmann. Earlier this year, people were predicting doom and gloom for the HO range. The fact that we're actually getting a character that so many people asked for.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: Falcon the 2nd on August 17, 2019, 05:10:14 PM
Along with Peter Sam, Daisy is a big indicator that Bachmann still understands what their core consumers want out of new characters and that's something to be appreciated.

Like many others, I'm on Team Stepney and I hope both the series licensor and Bachmann staff can do the right thing next February by announcing him at the very least.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: AndySandy on August 18, 2019, 07:16:40 PM
Im easily team Stepney, and it would also be a smart choice on bachmanns part to make him. We see people spending up to $500 for a Hornby stepney, even if its used, so Bachmann would easily profit off of it :p


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: NWRmodeller on August 21, 2019, 05:16:15 AM
Honestly I would say that Stepney would be my most anticipated engine for them to release.  Heís a popular character, cost effective to make, and iím sure he would sell out in a heartbeat.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: TerencetheTractor525 on August 21, 2019, 08:35:58 AM
While thinking about it more, I completely agree. As Stepney is a classic engine, seeing him announced during Thomasí 75th Anniversary would be such a pleasant surprise to the point where if he is the only thing that gets announced for the HO line in February 2020, I would still be ecstatic. I will even state that if this means that nothing will get announced for the narrow gauge line next Feb, I would be perfectly fine with that.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: thesplendidredengine5 on August 21, 2019, 01:08:42 PM
I'll second that


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: TayBowes917 on August 21, 2019, 02:03:40 PM
I'll most definitely be the third.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: thomasj219 on August 21, 2019, 03:43:49 PM
Just call me Gordon because Iím number 4.  ;)


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: Falcon the 2nd on August 21, 2019, 06:31:38 PM
I'll take responsibility of being James since I'm the fifth. :P


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: TrainFan97 on August 21, 2019, 08:58:04 PM
Just call me Percy because I'm #6!


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: SodorRoundhouse on August 23, 2019, 11:19:55 AM
Call me Toby, as Iím number 7  ;)


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: Ronniethe14xxx on August 23, 2019, 03:07:35 PM
Call me Duck cause I'm 8 however this thread is not the Great Western way


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: Stepney_21 on August 23, 2019, 03:31:40 PM
Team Stepney He is 144 years old and should be made for H0


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: Thomas fan on August 23, 2019, 07:42:03 PM
I wish I could be Thomas but I will have to be Donald #9 I will ninth that :P


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: PercyMan on August 23, 2019, 10:34:14 PM
Iím 10th


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: TrainFan97 on August 23, 2019, 10:47:49 PM
Iím 10th

That makes you Douglas, mac!


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: Cheeky_ULP on August 24, 2019, 01:48:06 AM
I think the point is made.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: Thomas fan on August 26, 2019, 10:29:40 AM
Guys I just found two good reasons why Bachmann should make Stepeny first off Thomas wood(back in 2018) made a s.c.ruffy.

https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Wood/Gallery?file=Wood2018RyanandS.C._Ruffey.jpg

and the second is that Thomas wood also made Jeremy.

https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Wood/Gallery?file=2019woodjeremy.png

And cuz they are classic characters and Stepney is a classic character there is more of a chance of hem getting made.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: Rodimus Supreme on August 28, 2019, 09:16:12 PM
Guys I just found two good reasons why Bachmann should make Stepeny first off Thomas wood(back in 2018) made a s.c.ruffy.

https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Wood/Gallery?file=Wood2018RyanandS.C._Ruffey.jpg

and the second is that Thomas wood also made Jeremy.

https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Wood/Gallery?file=2019woodjeremy.png

And cuz they are classic characters and Stepney is a classic character there is more of a chance of hem getting made.
I wouldn't call Jeremy "classic". Not in CGI yet, yes. "Classic", no.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: ThomasFan247 on August 29, 2019, 01:04:06 PM
Call me crazy, but I honestly think I'd prefer to see Ryan first. Don't get me wrong, I love Stepney. Ryan just seems a bit more relevant in regards to the brand, and his character is much more developed than Stepney's.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: Thomas fan on August 29, 2019, 02:12:47 PM
Guys I just found two good reasons why Bachmann should make Stepeny first off Thomas wood(back in 2018) made a s.c.ruffy.

https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Wood/Gallery?file=Wood2018RyanandS.C._Ruffey.jpg

and the second is that Thomas wood also made Jeremy.

https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Wood/Gallery?file=2019woodjeremy.png

And cuz they are classic characters and Stepney is a classic character there is more of a chance of hem getting made.
I wouldn't call Jeremy "classic". Not in CGI yet, yes. "Classic", no.
Ok maybe Jeremy is not a classic character but I have never seen him in the CGI show but for some reason they made him when the last time he was seen on TV as a character was season 12.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: TerencetheTractor525 on August 29, 2019, 07:32:50 PM
I am extremely pleasantly surprised with the amount of attention this thread has been getting. Iím also happy to see that those on Team Ryan would even like to see Stepney made. Thatís why I still think that Stepney should definitely be the next engine that Bachmann announces.

And while I know that there is controversy over when Stepney could be announced, Iím sure that most fans can agree that there is not another product Bachmann could realistically announce that would be more of a wonderful way to celebrate Thomasí 75th Anniversary than Stepney, even if he gets delayed.  ;)


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: DucktheGWREngine08 on September 01, 2019, 08:10:23 PM
What if they both get made at the same time? That would actually be amazing.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: TrainMan2001 on September 01, 2019, 09:07:25 PM
I definitely also agree that Stepney should be made first, for all reasons stated across the thread. It would be perfect for the 75th anniversary.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: JLK2707 on September 10, 2019, 09:43:20 AM
Just both at the same time!:)


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: Thomas fan on September 11, 2019, 07:57:15 AM
I really hope that Bachmann make Stepney for all of the people wanting him cuz at this rate if Bachmann did not make him there would be sad fans less money for Bachmann.
       And Another plus side to making Stepney is that they could make a real A1X(Stepney's bases)really hope they do it for the 75 anniversary and the fans  thanks for reading.
    thomas fan


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: AnAverageThomasFan on September 19, 2019, 04:35:59 PM
Honestly I would like to see stepney, but Ryan personally makes more sense to me. I donít think that bachmann would make any characters that arenít relevant in the show anymore. Because once you look at the lineup, all the characters bachmann has released over the years are still relevant in the show. (The only possible exception would be BoCo because they could just use Daisyís chassis). But characters like Stepney, Arther, or Murdoch are nostalgic but a bit more obscure. The statement that ďfans want himĒ isnít a good enough reason in my books. But hey, Iíd love to be wrong.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: TerencetheTractor525 on September 19, 2019, 06:00:26 PM
Honestly I would like to see stepney, but Ryan personally makes more sense to me. I donít think that bachmann would make any characters that arenít relevant in the show anymore. Because once you look at the lineup, all the characters bachmann has released over the years are still relevant in the show. (The only possible exception would be BoCo because they could just use Daisyís chassis). But characters like Stepney, Arther, or Murdoch are nostalgic but a bit more obscure. The statement that ďfans want himĒ isnít a good enough reason in my books. But hey, Iíd love to be wrong.

While I do still think that Stepney would be the best choice for 2020 to celebrate the 75th Anniversary, I do see where you are coming from. It's great to see that you would like to see Stepney too though!

As for Boco, after seeing that Daisy is going to have moving eyes, I definitely agree that Bachmann should consider making Boco at some point. Bachmann must have put a high amount of thought on how to incorporate a moving eye mechanism within a long, bogied diesel, and I don't think that it would make sense to put in all that effort into constructing this new moving eye mechanism just for Daisy.

https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/BoCo

Boco would also provide contrast to the range. He would not only be one of two bogied diesels in the range, but he would also be the only bogied diesel that is meant to pull long freight trains. Seriously, what kid would not want to see a long diesel with a face pull a long freight train? However, that's all I will state about Boco as this thread is really not about him  ;).

Ultimately, I would be very happy if Stepney or Boco got announced next year. However, given the amount of people who stated that they would like to see Stepney, I still think that he would be the supreme choice.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: AnAverageThomasFan on September 19, 2019, 10:28:12 PM
I would like to see both Stepney and Ryan be produced by bachmann actually. Ryanís a very nice character to come out of the CGI series. Although I find it a bit silly to compare the two. Ones a classic character, and ones a CGI character. Iím sure both will be made at some point.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: Streak on September 25, 2019, 09:06:55 PM
Honestly if you ask me, I canít really decide which one I would want more. I agree with both picks.

I think Stepney would be perfect to announce next year for the anniversary being a classic character and all. And while Iím indifferent to him as a character, I known a lot of other people want him and he has a good design.

As for Ryan, he fits overall imo considering heís in the current show, has a unique design as well, and would be perfect to release after or close to Daisy.

Basically my final stance on it is that Iím on Team Stepney for a 75th anniversary announcement. If heís not announced next year, then Iíd switch to being on both sides (mostly on Ryanís side tho).


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: Streak on September 27, 2019, 01:39:34 PM
Also btw I did Bachmann Stepney and Ryan concepts on my Twitter as well as a poll between the two. Go check em out if you want.

https://twitter.com/streaksmeargle/status/1177613904421064704?s=21 (https://twitter.com/streaksmeargle/status/1177613904421064704?s=21) - Stepney

https://twitter.com/streaksmeargle/status/1176567007338041344?s=21 (https://twitter.com/streaksmeargle/status/1176567007338041344?s=21) - Ryan

Hope you enjoy!


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: Chaz on September 27, 2019, 01:42:08 PM
Streak, your Stepney concept is truly incredible.  It is easily my favorite out of the concepts you have done so far and looks spot on to how I can picture a Bachmann model of him.  You also succeeded in making me want Bachmann to make Stepney even more, and I have a feeling Iím not the only one who feels that way. 

Great job!


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: Falcon the 2nd on September 27, 2019, 04:22:21 PM
Both concepts look phenomenal! The fact that Bachmann's official account liked one of them is both astounding and another big indicator that the team is listening to us this year.

The road to Toy Fair 2020 has been an exciting one so far and it will only continue to build excitement among the fans from here.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: Thomas fan on September 27, 2019, 04:46:36 PM
Now seeing those concepts makes me want both engines to be announced but maybe Bachmann will surprise us and make them both but we will just have to wait and see.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: Streak on September 30, 2019, 01:04:37 AM
After two hundred and sixty eight votes, my Stepney VS Ryan poll on Twitter came to a close. The final results were Ryan with 35% and Stepney with the winning 65%.

https://twitter.com/streaksmeargle/status/1177613910821588992?s=21 (https://twitter.com/streaksmeargle/status/1177613910821588992?s=21)

Now this is only a little over 250 votes but itís clear that Stepney is very popular with the casual Twitter audience.

Of course, many people do want Ryan as well and heíd be a great model for Bachmann to make. But itís clear that most want Stepney first. Understandable considering heís an iconic classic character.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: TerencetheTractor525 on October 05, 2019, 10:01:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGmpr52R2FY

Would highly recommend giving this a watch, especially the Bachmann Team!  ;D

I still firmly believe that there is not anything else Bachmann could announce next February that would receive as much hype as an HO Stepney.

#HOStepneytheBluebellEnginefor2020

Let's make the 75th Anniversary the best it can be!



Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: AnAverageThomasFan on October 05, 2019, 11:56:20 PM
Lovely video indeed. I now have a better appreciation for the character! I hope bachmann will make Stepney, but if they donít, there are loads of Hornby Stepney Era 2ís on eBay.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: AnAverageThomasFan on October 13, 2019, 11:50:41 PM
Iím not really understanding the argument on how Stepney would be ďperfectĒ for the 75th anniversary. I mean he only had 5 episodes with a major speaking role. Plus heís not even in the show anymore. Unless heís brought back, itís probably highly unlikely that weíll get bachmann Stepney. But like I said, Iíd love to be wrong. Now with Ryan, heís very relevant in the show and has appeared in a movie.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: TerencetheTractor525 on October 14, 2019, 09:43:09 AM
The 75th Anniversary is a time to glorify great figures of Thomas' past, and I don't think that there would be anything more special to announce than Stepney. For the younger audience who may not be familiar with Stepney, they could always find out who he is through the web using the Thomas Wiki, YouTube, etc. Besides, we should remember that most kids who are very young would generally not own every Bachmann Thomas engine to begin with due to their expense. The avid fans are the ones who buy every quality engine that gets made. Thus, why not switch things up a bit and announce an classic engine that would not only be wonderful to see for the 75th Anniversary, but also be an extremely great seller, as classic engines like Duck proved to us. After all, based on every poll throughout social media, Stepney has had more of a following than Ryan. Plus, due to his smaller and simpler design, he would be less expensive to make. The reasoning is self explanatory if you ask me :P.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: TrainMan2001 on October 14, 2019, 01:00:50 PM
To add to what Terence said, Duck was announced and released before coming back to the series as well, and I a lot of people were excited when he was announced.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: AnAverageThomasFan on October 14, 2019, 05:07:19 PM
Fair enough I suppose.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: Thomas fan on October 16, 2019, 01:04:02 PM
To also add to what TerencetheTractor525 and TrainMan2001 said Donald and Douglas were released in 2011 and 2008 was the last year they were seen in the show till 2016,Bill and Ben were released in 2010 and the last time they were seen in the show before they were released was 2008 and then were seen in 2014 so I think that Stepney has a very good chance of being made for the 75 anniversary really hope they make him thanks for reading :)
   thomas fan


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: Falcon the 2nd on October 16, 2019, 06:34:53 PM
In short, it'd be fair to say that just because a character hasn't been in the show for a long time doesn't mean they should be ruled out. Though I wasn't part of the community at the time the two pairs of twins were announced, I know for a fact that the news about Duck pleased a lot of fans back in 2012.

And not since Duck have we seen an engine announced that wasn't part of the current show, so on top of the other reasons everyone else has shared, Stepney would work wonders as a 75th anniversary engine.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: Anthony P2 on October 16, 2019, 07:17:22 PM
Iím kind of torn between either Ryan or Stepney, I do kind of lean more towards Stepney! Stepney has gotten some serious attention recently! Iím not just talking about the character but the actual loc has been getting attention even with a new model by Hornby. I think it would be nice to see Bachmann come out with Steppers for the T&F range! 🙂


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: mulfred-100 on October 23, 2019, 02:41:18 PM
I'd prefer Stepney over Ryan if I had the choice however both are nice tank engines and again if take either of these over Stanley or Sidney. I'm not sure if people have read that Sif posted on Facebook yesterday an article about the 75th anniversary and the two specials that Stepney, city of truro and Ballard will be part of the specials. I'm intrigued to see how Stepney will be designed if this is true. Surely if he is it would give his chances a slight boost


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: TrainFan97 on October 26, 2019, 04:28:38 PM
So, there's whispers that Stepney could be returning next season. I'll believe it when I see it. Not much is known about the specials yet.


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: Thomas fan on October 26, 2019, 08:34:45 PM
What!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?were did you hear this. ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: Ronniethe14xxx on October 26, 2019, 11:17:33 PM
it's just a rumor as of now. Stepney, Duke, and/or BoCo make the most sense to come back next year tho


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: TerencetheTractor525 on October 27, 2019, 01:37:44 AM
I am all for seeing Stepney, BoCo, and Duke return. However, while making CGI models of them, I really hope that the licencor studies the models from the model era of the show carefully, especially in Stepney's case. The last thing that I would want to see is a CGI Stepney with odd proportions, just like Oliver and Duncan. This is why it would be wonderful if Duck's situation happened again with Stepney, which is to announce Stepney before his CGI model is revealed.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ttte/images/5/58/BowledOut4.png/revision/latest?cb=20180905190252

After all, I would really love to see a classic series face on Stepney. That would certainly make the model extra special for avid fans :).


Title: Re: Stepney or Ryan?
Post by: grandpuff on November 07, 2019, 05:37:53 PM
Hello to All:

I agree with Terrence that Stepney would probably be the most deserving engine from the classic era to be announced for the 75th Anniversary Year 2020. They have said that they plan on honoring the classic era specifically. So my vote is for Stepney The Bluebell Engine which has long been one of my favorites.

Photo 1
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/921/tVxqj2.png) (https://imageshack.com/i/pltVxqj2p)

If Bachmann is planning any 75th Anniversary announcements for Narrow Gauge I cannot think of a better choice than Duke aka Granpuff. I know it would be a stretch because he is a tender engine, but there is no more fitting classic engine than Duke.

Photo 2
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/921/fb0mms.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/plfb0mmsj)


In any event we will all have to be patient and wait until February 2020 to find out.

After having free service dropped by Photobucket, Flickr, and Tiny Pic, I have now moved over to Imageshack which is offering a one year unlimited photo posting for $18.99. Seems to be easy to use so we shall see how this works.

Grandpuff