Hi,again! I just picked up this little beauty from an on-line retailer for an incredible $69.99 (plus $9.99 Shipping) . It is a brand new Bachmann #28657 Spectrum On30 Baldwin 4-6-0 Steam Loco - DCC on Board, Greenbrier & Big Run Lumber Company.
I plan on relettering it for the Rio Grande.
My question is this: What do I need to buy to add sound to this model?
Thanks!
I don't believe the D&RGW ever had a ten wheeler , however the RGS did , the #20.
I did a sympathetic rebuild on the ten wheeler and it can pass for the #20.
Sound decoder wise is used a Tsunami tsu1000 light steam.
Ton
Interesting. I have been kinda thinking about doing it as an RGS loco instead. However, I know that the D&RGW ran Class T-12 ten wheelers. For example, there's the #168 that was recently restored to running condition, and another survivor (#169) that is on static display in Alamosa,Co.
At one time ,the D&RGW boasted a total of 12 Class #12 ten wheelers numbered from #166 to #177.Nine of the others have been scrapped, while one was wrecked, and later scrapped. My information indicates that the tender is still at the wreck site,in the trees below the track.
My information source: http://www.drgw.net/info/T-12
Do I need to buy the Bachmann sound module,or just the T-1000?
Thanks!
My mistake , I didn't look hard enough.
The sound modules are only for the decoders that are made to receive them and are not a replacement but more an add on.
I presume there is a 8 pin connector inside the tender?
The only thing you have to do is take the connected decoder out and stick the new one in.
Don't forget you will need a speaker and connect it to the new decoder.
Ton
If it does not have an eight pin socket check the diagram page. If the loco has LED's you will need a 1k, 1/8 or 1/4 watt resistor. I did not look.
I have used 1/8 watt because I had quite a supply of 1/8 watt from projects in the past. They came in a Radio Shack project kit.
On30 does not draw higher current for LED's.
Rich
Not necessary Rich, the ten wheeler has a motherboard with a 8 pin connector and resistors for the lighting onboard.
Ton
Thanks for the info,Ton! Hey,did you know that the #20 is being restored to full operating condition? Check out this youtube video that was posted only 2 days ago by the good folks at the Colorado Railroad Museum:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0e96IsLBcg&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR1aTgzY-0XS56VeGRwpk5O28YWcjj3e4Y4yGKBlQ_uWrjnAJm6ICzsgWCI
It's awesome!
That's cool to see. It's always good to see old steamer resurrected.
I saw 20 partially done when I was in Golden this past June. So nice to see she'll be back in steam very soon.
As for ten-wheelers, the Bachmann 4-6-0 is a Baldwin class, made for the East Tennessee & Western North Carolina Railroad (ET&WNC). By the time the 3-footer portion of the line went belly up in 1950, they still had three on the property (9, 11 and 12). All were built before WW1. 9 and 11 sadly went to the torch (11 was said to have been offered to Johns City for display but declined). 12 was saved and through a series of swaps, now hauls tourists around Tweetsie RR in Blowing Rock, NC (near where she ran before the line to Boone was destroyed by massive flooding).
A couple of very similar Baldwins were spotted in Cuba not long ago. Just as the Gringo tourists found out about them, they also went to the torch.
I remember a magazine article where someone made one of these into a SP narrow gauge engine with a whale back tender. I can't recall which magazine it was, but the author did a fine job on the conversion.
This Baldwin class really doesn't look like anything the Rio Grande had.
FYI, ET&WNVC 10 and 14, from the same class as this model, went to the White Pass & Yukon during WW2. Sadly burned in a roundhouse fire at Whitehorse, Yukon Territory, they were both crapped after the war at the NP yard at Auburn, WA.
Another aside - ET&WNC Ten-Wheeler No. 8 came second-hand from the Twin Mountain and Potomac RR. The "Two Mules and a Pony" was an very obscure little 3' road that ran from a connection with the B&O at Keyser, WV to Burlington, WV. The road only lasted from 1913 to 1919. No. 2 went to Tweetsie. No. 1 seems to have vanished. Speculation is that it went to a logging road.
That's pretty great and interesting information. I do know that this new Bachmann 4-6-0 doesn't look much like the T-12 class locomotives ran by the D&RG. Unfortunately.
So,it will have to stand in for one,at best.
I've noticed that there's not a lot of reality in these Bachmann 4-6-0 locomotives. No matter which scale, or road name is represented, it seems that,when one does research, and looks at photos of the historic locomotives that these Bachmann'S are supposed to represent, the real thing varies greatly in physical appearance from the model.
It's too bad that Bachmann primarily models their 4-6-0 loco after the ET&WNC 4-6-0 locomotive.You would think that they could have picked a more common 4-6-0 to base their model loco on.At least, it's very pretty!
This seems to be a common theme with many model locomotives from most manufacturers. I've seen some model locomotives bearing some really fanciful numbers , and wheel configurations that never existed on the road names that they are supposed to represent.
Oh,well, what can be done but model your favorite lines as best as you can with what's commercially available?
Kit bash 'em whenever possible, which is something that I've seen with the G Scale 4-6-0, but is something that I am incapable of.
Sadly.
Way back in the early days, and continuing to some extent today, manufacturers had to make some choices - model a particular road's locomotive, which might well limit its market and reduce sales; make models of locos for big, popular railroads that would draw in fans of those roads; make a "generic" model that resembles several prototypes and let the buyer do as they might with paint and decals. Examples - Mantua made kits for several Reading locos in the late '40's/early '50's. They were brass and cast metal. When Mantua decided to go more mass market, they opted for the more generic all cast metal models that kinda/sorta looked like something on your favorite road. Varney pretty much followed the same pattern. Back then, a lot of modelers were just happy to have something they could build and run. That's why you saw a lot of Docksides and NYC Hudsons in layout photos of the period. This eventually opened up the market for imported brass models, which mostly modeled a very specific loco or class of locos. You could get a nice Pennsy K-4 kit from Bowser, but if you wanted an earlier K-2, then a brass model was what you bought. The Bachmann Connie is probably closest to an Illinois Central loco, but it is close to other roads' power and if you're into some superdetailing you might get pretty close. See Jonathon's reworking into a very credible looking B&O E-27.
Quote from: RailMan63 on January 28, 2020, 07:48:47 PM
It's too bad that Bachmann primarily models their 4-6-0 loco after the ET&WNC 4-6-0 locomotive.
Well, I couldn't disagree more strongly. I've always loved the looks of that Baldwin class and frankly, it's
the primary reason I got back into the hobby, when Bachmann came out with them in On30. I probably would
still be out of model trains (having left from a series of horrible experiences with a modular group in my teens) if they'd not done that.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49057185293_b5b04dabf1_z.jpg)
My new 10 wheeler arrived on Tuesday. I finally unboxed ,and ran it a little bit early this morning. I removed the tender body to inspect the DCC board. It has an 8 pin plug that is soldered onto a larger motherboard for the DCC system.
I found the sound board on the Bachmann parts site.
https://estore.bachmanntrains.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=698&products_id=10467&zenid=op5mpgsmr0upvgjjvnndvh9fq4
It is currently sold out. I'm a little bit confused on how I would install the sound board in the tender. Do I have to remove the existing board and un-solder the 8 pin plug from it, and then re-solder the 8 pin plug to the sound board, or??
I'm new to this DCC thing, so any help (such as through installation instructions) would be a great help as the instructions on the Bachmann parts site leave much to be desired.
On another note, this is a generally well built locomotive. I really like all of the mods that came with it. The slow speed operation is smooth forwards and backwards.
It is very well detailed. More so than the Anniversary edition Big Hauler in some ways.
I am over all very pleased with it. My only gripe is that the two tender plugs are in an awkward place,and are somewhat difficult to remove,which makes me worried that the wires may tear out of them during removal from the sockets.
Any suggestions as to how to safely remove these pins without damaging them?
And what is the packet of brown powder for?
Thanks guys!
Quote from: RailMan63 on January 31, 2020, 09:17:18 AM
Any suggestions as to how to safely remove these pins without damaging them?
I used needle-nose pliers the one time I did that.
Thought about that. I finally used a fingernail for one ,and a small flat blade screwdriver for the other. Worked,but I'll try the pliers next to see if they do any better.
I called Bachmann about the sound issue. Talked to James,one of their techs. He said that the sound decoder will replace the current board , and that I'll have to un-solder the 8 pin plug from the current board and then re-solder it to the new one.
He says that Bachmann will not be offering any more sound solutions on their website.And since they're sold out of the one for this model, I will have to buy the sound system directly from Soundtraxx for this baby.
On another note,I've decided to leave it lettered as-is. I'll buy some log cars and a suitable logging caboose for it later. Interestingly, I researched the road name ,Greenbrier & Big Run Lumber Co.,and came up with nothing.The only thing I found that was even somewhat similar was this article on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Lawrence_Boom_and_Lumber_Company
Interesting,eh?
You have an earlier incarnation of the 4-6-0.
The NMRA 8 pin connector is for a decoder or a decoder with sound incorporated.
The sound board you are showing is an add-on to a later build-in sound ready decoder.
That decoder has a 21pin connector on the decoder pcb where you can connect the add-on board.
You don't have that one.
Ton
Hello RailMan 63, I myself picked up from the same retailer the Bachmann #28657 Spectrum On30 Baldwin 4-6-0 Steam Loco - DCC on Board, Greenbrier & Big Run Lumber Company. I replaced the factory installed decoder with a heavy steam sound NMRA 8 pin decoder with speaker. To replace the decoder there is no un-soldering or soldering involved but just carefully prying from side-to-side the installed NMRA 8 pin decoder from the PCB board. Do keep in mind that the decoder is installed under the PCB board so you would have to loosen the two screws holding the PCB board to the tender body in order to remove the existing decoder body. I hope this helps and if I could be of further assistance please feel free let me know. Take care!
Thanks guys! Sounds really confusing now. So, what do I need to buy brand, and type wise to get sound in this loco? Will a Soundtraxx system work, or should I look for something different.
Thanks again!
My pleasure providing assistance. Any 8 pin socket decoder with speaker will work. Or you could purchase an 8 pin socket decoder with sound and pair it with the speaker of your choice. Please do keep in mind the amount of room available within the tender. With that said, a SoundTraxx decoder is a good choice. As for myself, I added the following from MRC and I am pleased with my choice, 021501 LOCO GENIE UNIVERSAL STEAM (Heavy) SOUND TRANSMITTER & RECEIVER - HO SCALE. I chose this decoder because I already had a steam loco with this setup and am happy with it, it was plug-n-play and I do enjoy the option of running DC, DCC or through the remote without having to use my controllers (throttles). Do keep in mind that the speaker included is quite a the large side but I had no problem incorporating the 021501 in my Bachmann #28805. MRC also makes one that is light steam, 021500 LOCO GENIE UNIVERSAL STEAM (Light) SOUND TRANSMITTER & RECEIVER - HO SCALE. Light or heavy would be the users preference; however, I did want to match the decoder sounds according to the steam loco. I did pick mine up at an excellent price with shipping. Just be sure to google if interested in additional information on the MRC and where to purchase at a price well below MSRP. But please do keep in mine that I am not endorsing the product but just giving you my reasons for purchasing the one I did. However, I do enjoy my locos with SoundTraxx as-well-as other brand decoders installed.
Found one. But are the chugging sounds synchronized to the speed of the locomotive?
Glad to hear. As for the answer to your question, yes. The decoder has various types of synchronized chuff sounds. Visit the following link (https://www.modelrectifier.com/dccdecoders-s/112.htm) for additional information and be sure to review the instruction manual for additional information. A reason I did go with this one is for me it was low cost, plug-n-play (no soldering involved) and met my requirements for adding sound to my steam loco. As for me, I am satisfied for what I paid for. Plus the bonus of the remote operation is a plus. Especially for the children to operate the loco. However, please keep in mind that I am not endorsing the product and suggest that you do additional research on all the decoders out there and select which would be best solution and options for you. However, if you do move forward with the MRC decoder please feel free to continue to reach out for any additional information or assistance.
Here is a review i wrote a while ago.
It's a translation from Dutch to English.
I received the device on Thursday.
purchased on EBAY for 55 Euro + tax 22.70.
Is it interesting for that price?
A resounding NO.
The thing was put in a tenwheeler and put on a piece of track with 12V DC.
The decoder is a big boy.
It works, responds and there is sound.
I can remotely set the locomotive in motion and stop, whistle and bell work too.
Basic programming is also possible but, as I say, BASIC.
The big test done on the layout with DCC.
Programming on the rails is not possible.
So then back the programming track.
Is very cumbersome because you have to switch from programming track to normal mode every time.
For trying out the 17 types of flute and 20 different chuff sounds, that is a hell of a job.
I forget the 9 ring types.
The same thing that I have with my other MRCs I also get with this one.
After entering a new value in a resume I get an error.
Error 02, no feedback from the decoder.
If you then look at the result, the decoder has saved the value.
It may be my Lenz LHV100 but the acceleration and stop simulators (CV 3 and 4) do not work.
Back EMF is also questionable.
If I then take the remote from the Genie, I get a response, but the light goes on and off again.
The bell sounds 1x and then silence.
As a good radio ham I tested the maximum range of the transmitter.
According to the manufacturer, 75 Feet should be possible, +/- 25 meters.
Well forget it.
After about 6 meters (20 ft, my hallway is not longer, I already got problems.
Rounding the corner into the train room, even worce.
Conclusion; The idea is nice .... nice try, keep practicing.
Ton
Thank you both. I would really like to put either a Soundtraxx,,or maybe even a Phoenix, system in this. I have a Phoenix Big Sound 96/97 in one of my Spectrum G Scale locomotives , and the sound is very realistic. I also have 2 G Scale locomotives from another company,. They both feature Soundtraxx sound systems, and the full sound on those is excellent to. I'm not really looking for a basic system like the one you described. I was watching a Youtube video of that system installed in diesel locomotives, and those didn't sound anything like the real thing.
I've decided to keep looking for a suitable system from either Soundtralxx,Phoenix, or maybe even Sierra sound for this little beauty.
After all, it's worth spending the extra money if you really love your hobby.
Thanks again!
I am glad you made your decision and that the post provided by the Forum members were helpful with you making your decision. As I mentioned in my post, I did not provide input in order to endorse the product I decided to use for my loco. I was just providing my input due to I myself owning the same product referenced in the post. But I do have to say that I do agree with Ton N regarding the range of the transmitter is best within 25 feet. But then who , as manufacturers of transmitters, doesn't over advertise the range of their product. Plus I am not looking to be running any locos on my layout from a distance 75 feet. However, as for the decoder being basic, I disagree. Plus it does allow main track programming. The Lenz is an excellent product. Which I could attest to being that I had lived in Deutschland for quite sometime. Plus as we all know, the Bachmann E-Z Command DCC systems are Lenz products. However, model railroad hobbyist all know that not all DCC controllers/systems are able to program on the main track every decoder on the market. IMHO, as for the three choices that you narrowed yourself down to, the SoundTraxx is the excellent choice. Now don't get me wrong. The Phoenix and Sierra are excellent choices as well. However; as for the Sierra, which was a SoundTraxx product, has been discontinued for quite sometime. Also, both the Sierra and the Phoenix were produced for the large scale market (G Scale). Which having experience with opening the tender in the Bachmann #28657 and installing a decoder with sound, would make it quite difficult to install such a large PCB board. I hope this information is helpful. From a person who really loves the hobby of model railroading who just recently joined the Forum because I did want to share my knowledge and experience with those who love the hobby as well. Wishing you well in your endeavor.
I changed my mind and decided to try the Loco Genie. It was less than half the price of the SoundTraxx unit, and looks like it is easier to install in my loco's tender since there is far less wiring involved.
I found another video on youtube of the diesel version, and the sound of the system ,properly installed in the loco, was actually pretty fair. I ,of course,bought the heavy steam version,so I'll see how I like it after it's installed in my 4-6-0.
I feel that you can't go very wrong at the price point of less than $44.00 for the Loco Genie versus $100.00 plus for the Soundtraxx unit. So,it's worth a try at the very least.
And I can always resell it on Ebay if I don't like it, or decide to upgrade to something better later on.
If you know a lot about how varied and complex steam engine sounds really are, you will probably see a lot lacking in a $44 item compared to a $100 decoder.
Of course, you're right. I've been around quite a few real steam locomotives over the years, and I'm not expecting too much from this unit,which has a full retail price of $79.99 with remote . Right now, the website that I bought it from is selling these units for $37.98, more than 50% off MSP. I'm pretty certain that the sound will be very inferior to the Soundtraxx ,or other brand sound boards. Although,the diesel unit sounded pretty decent, I couldn't find any steam sound files from MRC. Bummer.
So, I decided to start with this unit,see how I like it, and if not, there's always the Soundtraxx units later on. This will get me started with sound in my Bachmann 4-6-0 for now.
I can always resell the unit on Ebay.
I also watched a video of a similar Bachmann 4-6-0 with a Soundtraxx sound unit installed in the tender last night,right before deciding to purchase the MRC Loco Genie. That unit sounded pretty great as compared to my other trains that are equipped with Soundtraxx sound units.
Video here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qYOsALeHOk
The one sound system that really blew me away was the TCS Wow V4 Sound unit.
Video here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbWBhZc63hc
That is an amazing unit at the price of around $100.00,and as one commenter observed, it sounds very realistic. But,as it is a 21 pin unit, it is not compatible with the current set up in my particular locomotive,which has an 8 pin connector. Perhaps it could be modified, but that is beyond my ability, and I would have to send it out for a professional install. And, unfortunately, I cannot afford that option at this time.
There's absolutely no doubt that this Loco Genie is going to be an inferior product,but it is cheap, and easy to install as compared to those other units.Almost plug and play.
And right now, it's exactly what I need, and can afford ,until I can replace it with a better sound system.
Other than that, I totally agree with you.
Thank you.
Ok. Good. I have 4 "Sound Value" engines, basically "choo-choo wooo-woooo" only, and at first they drove me crazy because you could not silence them via cv 113 like more advanced Soundtraxx products have. But they have a place on a traveling layout I have, with only one or two engines at a time on the rail. I still wish Bachmann would go back to the c. 2009 Bachmann Soundtraxx decoder though, the main thing lacking was number of bell and whistle choices.
RailMan63, glad to hear that you are moving forward with adding sound to your On30 4-6-0. You would definitely enjoy the loco more with sound. As for what Trainman203 shared, I do agree with him. No doubt the MRC decoder with sound is not at the level of a SoundTraxx or TSC decoder with sound. Or as RailMan63 referenced, a TCS Wow V4 Sound unit. However, as I mentioned in my prior post, the MRC decoder with sound satisfied my needs for adding a sound unit to my On30 4-6-0 which for me added an extra level of enjoyment than just being able to control speed, directions and lights. As for adding a 21 pin unit to a unit with an 8 pin connector, there are drop in PCB boards that will convert from 8 to 21. But once gain, the MRC currently met my needs and it was a remove and replace unit. Plus now I do have an extra decoder that I removed from the On30 4-6-0 that I could use that will give me speed, direction and lighting control. RailMan63, if you are interested I could provide you with a picture of how I have the MRC decoder with speaker installed in my Bachmann #28805.
I really wish I was more adept in electronics. I know there's a sound decoder that has actual engine sounds from ET&WNC # 12 at Tweetsie RR. Oh, how I'd love to have those in my ET&WNC ten-wheelers, to have the actual sounds of the locomotives I model!
Quote from: JBPRO_TX on February 06, 2020, 11:32:44 AM
RailMan63, glad to hear that you are moving forward with adding sound to your On30 4-6-0. You would definitely enjoy the loco more with sound. As for what Trainman203 shared, I do agree with him. No doubt the MRC decoder with sound is not at the level of a SoundTraxx or TSC decoder with sound. Or as RailMan63 referenced, a TCS Wow V4 Sound unit. However, as I mentioned in my prior post, the MRC decoder with sound satisfied my needs for adding a sound unit to my On30 4-6-0 which for me added an extra level of enjoyment than just being able to control speed, directions and lights. As for adding a 21 pin unit to a unit with an 8 pin connector, there are drop in PCB boards that will convert from 8 to 21. But once gain, the MRC currently met my needs and it was a remove and replace unit. Plus now I do have an extra decoder that I removed from the On30 4-6-0 that I could use that will give me speed, direction and lighting control. RailMan63, if you are interested I could provide you with a picture of how I have the MRC decoder with speaker installed in my Bachmann #28805.
That could be helpful. Please PM it to me through this sites message system ,or post it.
I appreciate any input and help that you can provide me with this ongoing project.
Thank you!
Any sound is better than no sound. To me, running a silent engine (as all model railroads were for 60 years) is like pushing a corpse around. Once you have it, there's no going back.
Quote from: Trainman203 on February 07, 2020, 10:55:36 AM
Any sound is better than no sound. To me, running a silent engine (as all model railroads were for 60 years) is like pushing a corpse around. Once you have it, there's no going back.
I agree. I never had sound locomotives when I was in HO, but once I got my ten-wheeler in On30 with sound, there was no going back. Sure, there are lots of other sound systems that are better, but
anything is better than just the hum of the electric motor and the clicks of the gears and rods...
And one of the saddest things..... brass steam engines, the most beautiful of all, are generally very difficult to convert to DCC and sound. Bachmann engines are the modern solution .... quite sightly but smoother running in general than brass, and either already DCC/sound or readily upgraded.
Ok. After much thought and taking all the advice that I have received for a sound system for my Bachmann On30 4-6-0 locomotive into consideration, I have settled upon an MRC Loco Genie heavy steam sound DCC sound system with remote. It's not perfect, but it's not too bad either.
I can still upgrade the loco to the much better TCS Wow V4 at a later date,should I choose to do so. But for now, this will do.
I found a great deal for it online. It retails for $79.99 , but I found it for only $37.86, plus $5.65 shipping, for a total price of $43.51. Not a bad deal. And the sound is actually better than I expected it to be,but most certainly not on a par with Soundtraxx,or the TCS Wow V.4.
But for less than $45.00 total, I'm very satisfied with the sound quality.
I thank everyone who offered their advise on this issue. This is the system that was,of course, suggested by JBPRO_TX on this forum, and I found it to be the most affordable, and practical way, to get a sound system for this loco.
Thank you all.
Great. Enjoy.
I almost bought that engine, but after researching around and discovering it didn't have a drop in sound module I decided to pass. It was a great price though.
Putting sound or changing sound modules in the 4-6-0 is so simple. Ive installed TCS wow in all 4 of my ET 4-6-0's. The last one I did in less than 15 mins. Its all plug and play with the right adapter and the only soldering is the speaker. I learned with #12 that the factory speaker is a 1W and I was putting 2w in 9,10, and 11. I changed 12 and wow!
Tim
Quote from: tweetsieengineer on February 14, 2020, 04:03:24 PM
Putting sound or changing sound modules in the 4-6-0 is so simple. Ive installed TCS wow in all 4 of my ET 4-6-0's.
Tim,
Is that the one that has ET&WNC #12 sounds on it?
I wish I knew more about electronics, as I'd love to buy one for each of my own ET ten-wheelers, as it's be great to have the real sounds of #12 coming out of my locomotives!
Soundtraxx formerly offered a decoder called "Southern Steam" that had an ET&WNC whistle. It's probably still available somewhere. But keep in mind that all railroads changed engine whistles as a routine matter. The one currently on no. 12 is very likely not one of the several that this engine certainly had over its actual service life. Use the whistle you like best. No one can prove it wrong or right.
I finally decided to reletter the tender for the D&RGW. I wet sanded the lettering off with 1,000 grit wet/dry sandpaper,repainted the tender satin black, to which I applied a coat of clear satin. I then waited a week for the paint to fully cure, and then hand applied some Microscale HO Scale letters and numbers to the tender.
It was then recoated with an additional coat of clear satin.
I think that the final result is quite pleasing!
Here's a short video I made this afternoon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny_ieQBxaPU
I hope that you will find the final results to be as pleasing as I do.
If you want to give it at least some creditability why not use the flying Rio Grande logo?
https://sanjuandecals.com/d-rgw/
Ton
Hi,Ton. I thought about that. I really did.But my Bachmann 2-6-0 was already lettered for the D&RGW when I purchased it.
I want to create a set of 4 to 6 cars that I can run with both of my locomotives without running up too much expense at the same time.That,and the fact that I didn't want to incur any further expenses detailing the 4-6-0,is why I decided to do it that way. gv
I do have an IHC flying Rio Grande logo Consolidation in HO scale that I bought a few months ago, but that needs it's own cars as well. For now, I'm concentrating on the ON30 locos.
I'm going to be using Bachmann cars for my D&RGW passenger set that I'll be repainting in an appropriate shade of green. I already bought a cheap Hawthorne Village Coca Cola combine(mint condition,$33.00including S&H) that I plan to disassemble ,and repaint with my airbrush using Badger Pennsy Green 16-21,which worked great for my USA Trains passenger cars. I have 4 of those in green, and 2 in the Bumble Bee scheme. Those 2 are factory painted
I would prefer to buy already made and lettered cars , but even the Bachmann painted , unlettered cars in olive green would run me $120.00 for a set of 2. And then there's still the cost of decals for them...
I run the USA Trains cars unlettered, so I may do the same thing with these.
Maybe...