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Title: F9 loco chugging but not rolling.
Post by: Quentin on April 25, 2020, 01:32:05 PM
I have an Santa Fe F9 diesel loco that will not roll. When I crank up the power to the loco, it will start up and the light will light up, but it will not roll. This also has a DCC installed which is preventing me from viewing the engine. I have also checked the wheels to make sure they are still in working condition and they are. Any suggestions??

-Quentin
Title: Re: F9 loco chugging but not rolling.
Post by: rich1998 on April 25, 2020, 01:54:03 PM
Do a decoder reset.
CV8, enter 8. recycle track power. After about four seconds, the lights should flash sixteen seconds for a successful reset and the loco run on address three.
The specs for the EZ Command decoder are in the DCC page.

Rich
Title: Re: F9 loco chugging but not rolling.
Post by: Trainman203 on April 25, 2020, 02:10:45 PM
A diesel chugging?
Title: Re: F9 loco chugging but not rolling.
Post by: jward on April 25, 2020, 06:36:00 PM
You really need to get out more. In a world dominated by General Electric units, how can you NOT have heard a diesel chug?
Title: Re: F9 loco chugging but not rolling.
Post by: Quentin on April 25, 2020, 07:25:35 PM
Trainman,
By "chugging" I meant "the engine starts up". I honestly have no clue what I was doing at the time!
Title: Re: F9 loco chugging but not rolling.
Post by: Len on April 25, 2020, 07:41:37 PM
Quote from: Trainman203 on April 25, 2020, 02:10:45 PM
A diesel chugging?

Sure. I've got an F7A from when I went to the Digitrax factory training class that chuffs like a 4-8-4 and has a Hancock Long Bell 3-Chime whistle. I've also got a Mikado with an EMD 567 prime mover. The kids love them at train shows.

Len
Title: Re: F9 loco chugging but not rolling.
Post by: Trainman203 on April 25, 2020, 09:47:33 PM
I live 200' from the old L&N mainline, now CSX.  At least a dozen trains pass every with GE, EMD, whatever.  I don't bother to get up and look.  I saw plenty of steam as a kid and I can guarantee you, whatever is passing here, it might be making a lot of noise, but it ain't chuggin'!  😂😂
Title: Re: F9 loco chugging but not rolling.
Post by: Quentin on April 25, 2020, 10:22:13 PM
Trainman, I think that is really cool how you live that close to the old mainline!

Len, I have seen those engines at train shows and I can agree with you about the kids loving them. I have loved those since I first saw them!

-Quentin
Title: Re: F9 loco chugging but not rolling.
Post by: jward on April 26, 2020, 07:21:53 PM
Quote from: Trainman203 on April 25, 2020, 09:47:33 PM
I live 200' from the old L&N mainline, now CSX.  At least a dozen trains pass every with GE, EMD, whatever.  I don't bother to get up and look.  I saw plenty of steam as a kid and I can guarantee you, whatever is passing here, it might be making a lot of noise, but it ain't chuggin'!  😂😂

I live 100 feet from the PRR main, and i STILL run to the window when one pounds by. Of course it helps i am about halfway up a 1% grade and they're chugging hard......
Title: Re: F9 loco chugging but not rolling.
Post by: Quentin on April 26, 2020, 07:27:44 PM
yeah. My great-grandma lives near the Westville, Arkansas main (pretty sure it is BNSF) and it is on a 3% grade the entire way through the town. Those trains are coal trains, and they can be a mile long. Those things chug HAAARD
Title: Re: F9 loco chugging but not rolling.
Post by: Trainman203 on April 27, 2020, 01:15:30 PM
Steam engines chug.  Diesels rumble.
Title: Re: F9 loco chugging but not rolling.
Post by: Quentin on April 27, 2020, 01:18:10 PM
Ok, ok. Diesels rumble, steamers chug.
Title: Re: F9 loco chugging but not rolling.
Post by: RAM on April 27, 2020, 03:10:06 PM
The only mainline railroad near Westville, Arkansas is the Union Pacific.  Coal trains can and do have just about any railroad units.
Title: Re: F9 loco chugging but not rolling.
Post by: Quentin on April 27, 2020, 03:11:28 PM
Union pacific! That's it. Thanks for the info RAM.
-Quentin
Title: Re: F9 loco chugging but not rolling.
Post by: plas man on April 27, 2020, 03:21:01 PM
back to the chug ... best tell the TV company to re name the Kids TV series Rumbleton  ;D
you know the one , it is called Chuggington    8)
Title: Re: F9 loco chugging but not rolling.
Post by: Quentin on April 27, 2020, 03:24:56 PM
Oh my gosh...😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: F9 loco chugging but not rolling.
Post by: Trainman203 on April 27, 2020, 04:02:39 PM
I don't know, I'm not a kid.  Those kiddie tv train shows have bowdlerized, emasculated, and gutted the big, bad, and magnificent American steam locomotive to unrecognizable vanilla pablum. Choo-choo-whoooh-whooooh.
Title: Re: F9 loco chugging but not rolling.
Post by: Quentin on April 27, 2020, 04:54:18 PM
😂😂😂

I have to agree with you there, Trainman. Those shows have (kind of) ruined the glory of the old steamers.
Title: Re: F9 loco chugging but not rolling.
Post by: Quentin on April 27, 2020, 09:24:56 PM
Well, I figured out the problem and the F9 is fixed! The problem was a loose drive shaft from the motor to the front drive wheels.
Title: Re: F9 loco chugging but not rolling.
Post by: jward on April 28, 2020, 04:59:19 PM
Trainman, if GEs rumble then so do those teakettles you run on your layout. EMDs growl and rumble because they are 2 stroke. Most others have that 4 stroke chug.

Tuwn up the volume and watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U11J6Gx9520


Title: Re: F9 loco chugging but not rolling.
Post by: rich1998 on April 28, 2020, 07:13:11 PM
Yea. The DER I was on in the early 1960's had two stroke diesels that seemed to chug at low rpm when we moved at minimum speed. Two engines on one screw. Two on the other screw. Fairbanks Morse Two tied together. No reverse gear. Engines reversed.

Rich
Title: Re: F9 loco chugging but not rolling.
Post by: Quentin on April 28, 2020, 08:45:33 PM
Nice
Title: Re: F9 loco chugging but not rolling.
Post by: jward on April 29, 2020, 07:54:54 PM
Quote from: rich1998 on April 28, 2020, 07:13:11 PM
Yea. The DER I was on in the early 1960's had two stroke diesels that seemed to chug at low rpm when we moved at minimum speed. Two engines on one screw. Two on the other screw. Fairbanks Morse Two tied together. No reverse gear. Engines reversed.

Rich

You've touched upon something most people don't know. Diesel engines are designed to operate in one direction of rotation only, But you can specify which direction that is when you order them. There were a few EMD locomotives built with reverse rotation prime movers as well. I wouldn't imagine that changing the direction of rotation of the crankshaft from clockwise to anticlockwise would have any effect on the sound they made. On a locomotive, the direction of travel was changed by reversing the polarity of the voltage applied to the traction motors, the same way we change direction in Dc model trains. This applies to DC traction motors only. Not sure how they do it in the asynchonous AC motors used under the newest locomotives.