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Title: Thoughts on a Bachmann Spencer Redesign?
Post by: AnAverageThomasFan on April 29, 2020, 10:48:51 AM
As some may already know, the Bachmann model of Spencer is very block shaped in the boiler, and lacks the curvature and slope of the boiler used on the model in the TV show or on an actual A4 Pacific Locomotive. This was due to the moving eye mechanism. While it is a cool gimmick, I think I would prefer a model that looks like the actual Spencer model. The question I want to pose is this: Would you like to see a Bachmann Spencer redesign, and what do think the possibility of it actually happening is?

For me, I would love to see a Bachmann Spencer redesign. Spencer is a very iconic character and I want him to be represented as seen in the show. I know some don’t have a problem with the current Bachmann model of Spencer, and that’s fine. However, when I look at the model, my opinion goes from it’s not that bad to it could be better.

Now would it actually happen? It’s very unlikely. Spencer is the most expensive model in the range right now, and I believe the sales have been decent for a while. But you never know. Bachmann does seem to listen to the fans from time to time. Like when they redesigned James or Diesels face. I know Spencer would obviously take more time, but it would still be nice to see.


Title: Re: Thoughts on a Bachmann Spencer Redesign?
Post by: JLK2707 on May 10, 2020, 08:35:33 PM
Perhaps, but you could just do a 3D printed model.


Title: Re: Thoughts on a Bachmann Spencer Redesign?
Post by: Cheeky_ULP on May 10, 2020, 11:42:38 PM
They need to redo Thomas, Percy James, Gordon and Henrys toolings before even considering Spencer.


Title: Re: Thoughts on a Bachmann Spencer Redesign?
Post by: Zekeism on May 11, 2020, 05:53:24 AM
They need to redo Thomas, Percy James, Gordon and Henrys toolings before even considering Spencer.

While Thomas, Percy and James need better faces, what's wrong with Henry & Gordon?


Title: Re: Thoughts on a Bachmann Spencer Redesign?
Post by: Cheeky_ULP on May 11, 2020, 11:43:44 PM
They need to redo Thomas, Percy James, Gordon and Henrys toolings before even considering Spencer.

While Thomas, Percy and James need better faces, what's wrong with Henry & Gordon?
Main issue with Henry is his tender is too short. If one wanted to get nitpicky, there's a lot of proportion inaccuracies to the TVS models, since Henry and Gordon used different references at the time.


Title: Re: Thoughts on a Bachmann Spencer Redesign?
Post by: Rodimus Supreme on May 14, 2020, 10:56:55 AM
If you’re good at scratchbuilding, you could make a new Gordon, Henry, and Spencer using an HO BR-78 for the chassis for each of them. Two Märklin Gauge 1 BR-78’s were used to make the original Gordon and Henry chassis back when they were making the first season.


Title: Re: Thoughts on a Bachmann Spencer Redesign?
Post by: TrainMan2001 on May 14, 2020, 11:41:38 AM
If you’re good at scratchbuilding, you could make a new Gordon, Henry, and Spencer using an HO BR-78 for the chassis for each of them. Two Märklin Gauge 1 BR-78’s were used to make the original Gordon and Henry chassis back when they were making the first season.
Yeah, but that depends on if you want Henry and Gordon to be HO Scale or OO Scale like the rest of the range.


Title: Re: Thoughts on a Bachmann Spencer Redesign?
Post by: Rodimus Supreme on May 15, 2020, 03:25:52 PM
If you’re good at scratchbuilding, you could make a new Gordon, Henry, and Spencer using an HO BR-78 for the chassis for each of them. Two Märklin Gauge 1 BR-78’s were used to make the original Gordon and Henry chassis back when they were making the first season.
Yeah, but that depends on if you want Henry and Gordon to be HO Scale or OO Scale like the rest of the range.
Again, HO Scale BR-78’s. They’re made in HO Scale, as is Bachmann’s range. Also, HO Scale and OO Scale are interchangeable because of being so close in size.


Title: Re: Thoughts on a Bachmann Spencer Redesign?
Post by: STL on May 16, 2020, 03:37:35 PM
If you’re good at scratchbuilding, you could make a new Gordon, Henry, and Spencer using an HO BR-78 for the chassis for each of them. Two Märklin Gauge 1 BR-78’s were used to make the original Gordon and Henry chassis back when they were making the first season.
Yeah, but that depends on if you want Henry and Gordon to be HO Scale or OO Scale like the rest of the range.
Again, HO Scale BR-78’s. They’re made in HO Scale, as is Bachmann’s range. Also, HO Scale and OO Scale are interchangeable because of being so close in size.
2 things there:
1) Bachmann don't make range to HO scale, they make it to OO, measurements of the buffers have long since confirmed this as well as the simple fact that most of the rolling stock tooling is from the old Mainline range.
2) There's a fairly big difference between HO and OO, as seen here:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYKbT8uXkAAosqW?format=jpg&name=medium)
and here
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYKbTzLXkAMaSNo?format=jpg&name=900x900)
and also here
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYKbTzDWAAEHP7y?format=jpg&name=small)
OO is the bigger one.


Title: Re: Thoughts on a Bachmann Spencer Redesign?
Post by: Cheeky_ULP on May 17, 2020, 10:21:37 AM
Good information right up there. Gonna echo that statement; Bachmann only calls their Thomas range HO for marketing purposes in the USA, as that's the more recognized scale here. The range itself is definitely OO scale technically though, in terms of how all the engines are scaled. To add, the majority of the rolling stock is ex-Mainline toolings, which is British OO.


Title: Re: Thoughts on a Bachmann Spencer Redesign?
Post by: TrainMan2001 on May 17, 2020, 12:29:48 PM
To add, I have been working on making Thomas more accurate to his Series 1 model over the last year. Certain things have caused me to do measurement after measurement of the Bachmann model and several references of the Classic Series model. I can confirm that he's scaled to OO.
Here's a link to my work:
https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/150577-backdating-bachmanns-thomas-the-tank-engine-a-finescale-thomas-project/ (https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/150577-backdating-bachmanns-thomas-the-tank-engine-a-finescale-thomas-project/)


Title: Re: Thoughts on a Bachmann Spencer Redesign?
Post by: Rodimus Supreme on May 22, 2020, 02:56:19 PM
If you’re good at scratchbuilding, you could make a new Gordon, Henry, and Spencer using an HO BR-78 for the chassis for each of them. Two Märklin Gauge 1 BR-78’s were used to make the original Gordon and Henry chassis back when they were making the first season.
Yeah, but that depends on if you want Henry and Gordon to be HO Scale or OO Scale like the rest of the range.
Again, HO Scale BR-78’s. They’re made in HO Scale, as is Bachmann’s range. Also, HO Scale and OO Scale are interchangeable because of being so close in size.
2 things there:
1) Bachmann don't make range to HO scale, they make it to OO, measurements of the buffers have long since confirmed this as well as the simple fact that most of the rolling stock tooling is from the old Mainline range.
2) There's a fairly big difference between HO and OO, as seen here:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYKbT8uXkAAosqW?format=jpg&name=medium)
and here
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYKbTzLXkAMaSNo?format=jpg&name=900x900)
and also here
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYKbTzDWAAEHP7y?format=jpg&name=small)
OO is the bigger one.

Ok, now that annoys me. My ideal layout would have sections for British railways and US railroads, and now this is not doable without discrepancies.


Title: Re: Thoughts on a Bachmann Spencer Redesign?
Post by: TrainMan2001 on May 22, 2020, 04:10:44 PM
You could do a half and half layout. I've considered that a little bit, myself.


Title: Re: Thoughts on a Bachmann Spencer Redesign?
Post by: Rodimus Supreme on May 22, 2020, 08:48:59 PM
You could do a half and half layout. I've considered that a little bit, myself.
Unfortunately, I can’t make myself ignore the discrepancy, especially since I’d want everything on the layout to be all the same scale across the board.


Title: Re: Thoughts on a Bachmann Spencer Redesign?
Post by: Rodimus Supreme on May 27, 2020, 01:07:48 PM
Speaking of, would the Bachmann Narrow Gauge engines be 1:76 scale or 1:87 scale?


Title: Re: Thoughts on a Bachmann Spencer Redesign?
Post by: TrainMan2001 on May 27, 2020, 02:47:59 PM
All of the Narrow Gauge stuff is also to 1:76 scale, so you don't need to worry about them.


Title: Re: Thoughts on a Bachmann Spencer Redesign?
Post by: STL on June 07, 2020, 09:04:18 AM
Speaking of, would the Bachmann Narrow Gauge engines be 1:76 scale or 1:87 scale?
As I’ve said numerous times, the Bachmann NG range is 009 not HOn30