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Title: The Bachmann Peter Sam Thread
Post by: TerencetheTractor525 on October 17, 2020, 07:51:00 PM
With the release of the Bachmann Narrow Gauge Peter Sam model postponed to 2021, I thought it would be appropriate to make a new thread on Peter Sam. Hopefully, this thread will provide some interesting suggestions for Bachmann to consider (just as other threads have such as the Daisy Thread: https://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/board/index.php/topic,35957.0.html, Troublesome Truck #6 Thread: https://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/board/index.php/topic,35970.0.html, and Narrow Gauge Brake Vans Thread: https://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/board/index.php/topic,36574.0.html.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/ttte/images/d/d2/SamsonatYourService91.png/revision/latest?cb=20180713172627

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/ttte/images/7/7f/ABadDayForSirHandel24.png/revision/latest?cb=20170530173032

In terms of overall design, I have zero doubt that Bachmann will base Peter Sam on the CGI render, especially when it comes to the face and rivet detailing. However, one thing that I have recently noticed is that the CGI Peter Sam consists of doors that cover the low window at the rear, which is a square shape, whereas all the Peter Sam props that were utilized throughout the model series consist of a low window that is exposed, without the doors, and in the shape of a circle.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/14581588@N05/15449545996/

https://thetransportlibrary.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=127958

It is also interesting to note that both rear styles have been seen within the real life basis of Peter Sam. As a result, it will be interesting to see which path Bachmann will take, as this is something that only avid fans will notice.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/ttte/images/e/ec/Trucks31.png/revision/latest?cb=20170531185051

Personally, I like the look of the exposed low window at the rear because none of the other narrow gauge engines had it throughout the model series. I like the circular shape of it too. In fact, as a young child, I saw that window was a defining mark of Peter Sam because of how unique it looks.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/ttte/images/b/b9/PeterSamandtheRefreshmentLady33.png/revision/latest?cb=20190717220933

I would love to read everyone elseís thoughts as well. What rear style would you prefer? Please feel free to also bring up other factors regarding Peter Sam.


Title: Re: The Bachmann Peter Sam Thread
Post by: Chaz on October 18, 2020, 12:46:21 AM
Iím honestly a little surprised no one made a thread for the Bachmann Peter Sam until now, especially since the hype for him is on the same level as Daisy.

I think it goes without saying, but if Rusty is anything to go off of Peter Sam will likely be based on his CG render including his basisí proportions.  Unlike Rusty, I donít think this would be a bad thing for Peter Sam as I feel he has one of the best renders in the CGI series.

I think the rear style will most likely be CGI based too but I donít see that as being a dealbreaker for most people.  I could see Peter Sam easily being another top seller for Bachmann.


Title: Re: The Bachmann Peter Sam Thread
Post by: Toad139 on October 18, 2020, 01:13:13 PM
I definitely agree with Chaz, Iím surprised Peter Sam hasnít been talked about more. Iím personally more excited for him than Daisy.

I would prefer the model series rear window, but I canít really see that happening. Either way, a small detail like isnít gonna make or break the model for me. I usually donít like models based on their CG appearance, but the NG engines have great CG models, so they have never bothered me.


Title: Re: The Bachmann Peter Sam Thread
Post by: STL on October 20, 2020, 01:50:43 PM
Iím honestly a little surprised no one made a thread for the Bachmann Peter Sam until now, especially since the hype for him is on the same level as Daisy.

I think it goes without saying, but if Rusty is anything to go off of Peter Sam will likely be based on his CG render including his basisí proportions.  Unlike Rusty, I donít think this would be a bad thing for Peter Sam as I feel he has one of the best renders in the CGI series.

I think the rear style will most likely be CGI based too but I donít see that as being a dealbreaker for most people.  I could see Peter Sam easily being another top seller for Bachmann.
Aye, I've said it hundreds of times but Rusty's model being inaccurate to Midlander and instead being a hodge-podge of Midlander's dimensions with the CGI model's proportions was due to a number of reasons. Peter Sam will almost certainly follow the principle of Skarloey and Rheneas, being 90% accurate to the prototype with a few things that aren't detrimental being off and being replaceable. The only major thing I see happening that won't be accurate and is unavoidable is the solid wall under his tanks. Cause A) CGI model has it, and the previous models, and B) much for the same reason as the S4 model and LS model had it, to hide the motor and mechanism. Now how bad this wall will be and how much of a pain in the ass it'll be for conversions to ET/Corris 4 and RWS Peter Sam of course remains to be seen but It'll probably be a major one going off the CGI model. But really the only other major detail I expect to be missing is the valve gear and eccentrics, given the CGI Model doesn't even have it, so hoping NP come through with an etched kit after the model is released. But yeah, sum up, expect a mix of CGI and Edward Thomas in current condition.


Title: Re: The Bachmann Peter Sam Thread
Post by: DucktheGWREngine08 on October 23, 2020, 01:26:51 AM
The issue is that they'll also use the geisel ejector funnel, which ET hasn't had on itself in years.


Title: Re: The Bachmann Peter Sam Thread
Post by: STL on October 26, 2020, 01:13:35 PM
Well only for rebuilding it into Edward Thomas, Peter Sam kept his Geisel after all


Title: Re: The Bachmann Peter Sam Thread
Post by: DucktheGWREngine08 on April 28, 2021, 09:04:11 AM
Supposedly Peter Sam is supposed to be released at the end of the year, hoping that's true.


Title: Re: The Bachmann Peter Sam Thread
Post by: magiclamp on April 30, 2021, 09:40:41 PM
I really hope Peter Sam comes out within the next year, as his chassis would be really useful for making Proteus. I can use Bachmann Skarloey's, but it'd be a bit annoying to fix the whole cylinder shape issue.


Title: Re: The Bachmann Peter Sam Thread
Post by: Angelob6660 on April 30, 2021, 10:08:45 PM
I believe Peter Sam well be released next year, probably around December. Since the Bachmann spokesman in the video was hesitant about the release or concept of the locomotive.


Title: Re: The Bachmann Peter Sam Thread
Post by: TrainMan2001 on July 09, 2021, 09:46:01 PM
Hopefully soon we'll be able to see a prototype for Peter Sam. As far as aesthetics go, the only thing I'm really hoping for is that Peter Sam's front bufferbeam is more accurate to Edward Thomas, and not the CGI model, so that his buffers will be at the correct height. As far as operation goes, I hope that his rear wheel will either pivot or move from side to side, so that he doesn't have the same design quirk as Skarloey where the middle wheel moved to either side. My Skarloey suffered in the pulling power department because of it.


Title: Re: The Bachmann Peter Sam Thread
Post by: Chaz on August 04, 2021, 11:57:47 AM
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A much better look of the engineering sample!  Loving the progress so far Bachmann, canít wait to see further updates!


Title: Re: The Bachmann Peter Sam Thread
Post by: STL on August 04, 2021, 06:37:57 PM
Well it's about what i expected for a "worse case" scneario, with a pretty much near accurate chassis to Edaward Thomas but the body as a whole may need to be replaced.


Title: Re: The Bachmann Peter Sam Thread
Post by: TrainFan97 on August 04, 2021, 09:31:30 PM
After over two years, we FINALLY have an unpainted prototype of Peter Sam. Within a few months, we should see him fully painted.


Title: Re: The Bachmann Peter Sam Thread
Post by: DucktheGWREngine08 on August 26, 2021, 09:28:09 AM
Well it's about what i expected for a "worse case" scneario, with a pretty much near accurate chassis to Edaward Thomas but the body as a whole may need to be replaced.

Plus the valve gear, a surprise to no one, is a half baked version of Edward Thomas' Hackworth valve gear.


Title: Re: The Bachmann Peter Sam Thread
Post by: STL on August 26, 2021, 05:54:00 PM
Well it's about what i expected for a "worse case" scneario, with a pretty much near accurate chassis to Edaward Thomas but the body as a whole may need to be replaced.

Plus the valve gear, a surprise to no one, is a half baked version of Edward Thomas' Hackworth valve gear.
I mean yeah, but who actually expected full hacksworth? And besides, it's an improvement over the CGI model's motion, the Bachmann's actually matches ET


Title: Re: The Bachmann Peter Sam Thread
Post by: Angelob6660 on August 27, 2021, 06:10:14 PM
Peter Sam looks good for being CGI rendition and tiny bits of model series. He will be the second locomotive after Rusty following their CGI footprint.


Title: Re: The Bachmann Peter Sam Thread
Post by: nate4060 on August 30, 2021, 05:10:24 AM
I hope for Bachmann's sake when they make Duncan later down the line they don't base him off his CGI render


Title: Re: The Bachmann Peter Sam Thread
Post by: Hilux5972 on August 30, 2021, 02:30:19 PM
If Mattel says it has to be based off the CGI version then Bachmann doesnít really have a choice.


Title: Re: The Bachmann Peter Sam Thread
Post by: ScrumptiouslySouthern on September 08, 2021, 08:41:35 AM
Peter Sam is looking good, hopefully we'll get a painted prototype shot by January at the latest.


Title: Re: The Bachmann Peter Sam Thread
Post by: JLK2707 on November 01, 2021, 08:47:13 AM
Peter Sam would be a welcome addition on my layout. I just cannot wait to have him going down my tracks with rolling stock of either passengers, freight, or both! :)


Title: Re: The Bachmann Peter Sam Thread
Post by: Falcon the 2nd on November 02, 2021, 07:26:20 PM
TrainWorld's latest Thomas Tuesday stream focused on the history of Peter Sam's basis (Edward Thomas) and showcasing the Peter Sam model in its latest painted stage. Needless to say, it looks very good and it's shaping up to be well worth the long wait. I am definitely happy to have reserved it on TrainWorld's website after the stream ended.


Title: Re: The Bachmann Peter Sam Thread
Post by: Chaz on November 03, 2021, 10:49:59 AM
Peter Sam's fully painted model turned out fantastic!  It's already another new favorite of mine upon watching the model running in the stream.  A purchase I will be making day 1!


Title: Re: The Bachmann Peter Sam Thread
Post by: TrainFan97 on November 04, 2021, 02:31:36 PM
Peter Sam has finally been revealed fully painted. Hopefully in early 2022, they'll finally announce Sir Handel.

But, are we getting the Narrow Gauge Brake Vans, or not?


Title: Re: The Bachmann Peter Sam Thread
Post by: Chaz on November 04, 2021, 02:49:29 PM
I would imagine we will see an update on those soon, I imagine why we haven't seen an update on the brake vans are because Bachmann seems to have been focusing a lot more on getting Daisy and Peter Sam out first.  Hopefully in the coming months we will see an update on the brake vans and new box vans soon. 

At this rate I'm willing to bet that the new box vans are going to be the same tooling as the brake vans minus the guard's compartment. :P


Title: Re: The Bachmann Peter Sam Thread
Post by: STL on November 16, 2021, 05:11:17 PM
Nah, if Bachmann's smart the vans will be 2 different ones based on the 2 of the 4 or so types the TR has(including the Corris van). Hopefully the same for the brakes, one being based on No.5 and the other on the Corris van(though with a TVS duckett(s) I figure)


Title: Re: The Bachmann Peter Sam Thread
Post by: Armada Starscream on March 06, 2022, 11:57:26 PM
I don't collect Bachmann Narrow Gauge, but I am curious: Does anyone intend to paint the top of Peter Sam's Giesl ejector with a gold outline, like in the later Railway Series stories? No one really does that, and I think it would be cool to see a Peter Sam in TVS green, but with the gold funnel top, as a hybridization of TVS and RWS designs.


https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Peter_Sam/Gallery?file=DuckandDukesRS1.png

https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Peter_Sam/Gallery?file=PeterSamandthePricklyProblemRS2.png

https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Peter_Sam/Gallery?file=SirHandel%2527sPlanRS3.png

https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Peter_Sam/Gallery?file=DirtyWaterRS1.png


Title: Re: The Bachmann Peter Sam Thread
Post by: TrainFan97 on May 13, 2022, 12:39:04 AM
Although Peter Sam isn't quite in stock yet, he now has an official image:

https://shop.bachmanntrains.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=756_772_975&products_id=7201

While Yellow Rheneas is already in stock.


Title: Re: The Bachmann Peter Sam Thread
Post by: Andrew1474 on June 16, 2022, 02:36:29 PM
Just got an email conformation from the store i order everything and it seems that Peter Sam is on his way to my houseÖlooks like he is finally in stock and head everyones way! Now just looking forward to n scale S.C. Ruffey!


Title: Re: The Bachmann Peter Sam Thread
Post by: Chaz on June 21, 2022, 04:27:10 PM
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Well here we go! Probably the most anticipated announcement for the narrow gauge range in a really long time, Peter Sam has finally arrived! As usual, here are my thoughts on this wonderful new addition to the narrow gauge range:

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When it comes to the narrow gauge engines, for the most part they usually exceed my expectations. This was at least the case for Skarloey and Rheneas.  Rusty on the other hand just barely met expectations, but didnít necessarily exceed them, due to the small scaling that was incorporated onto the model.  I can safely say that compared to Rusty, Peter Sam is a definite improvement and is on a pretty high tier list with Skarloey and Rheneas.

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Just like Daisy, this model has taken almost 3 years to be released since its initial announcement in NMRA 2019.  I donít know if this is me personally, but I personally was more excited for Peter Sam than Daisy, that may be in part due to him being my favorite narrow gauge engine so thereís a little bit of bias there, and just like Daisy I think Peter Sam is one of the best models in the range.

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The model itself, is definitely one of BachmanĎs best, I would argue that this is probably their best looking model in the whole narrow gauge range.  It manages to replicate the overall accuracy from the CGI render and real life Tallylyn proportions beautifully, in addition to keeping some significant details from the CGI render, most notably the proper giesl funnel.  The face is also really well done too, again gotta hand it to Bachmann for their accuracy with this model.

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One thing that has been addressed on social media with this model is how part of the cab is covered due to the trailing wheels being powered on the model.  Personally, considering how close Peter Samís actual driving wheels are with each other, it makes perfect sense that they would go this route by making the trailing wheels also powered. Otherwise the model would have very minimal hauling power and just would not run very well. It is no different than a model like Emily who needed to have a separate set of wheels powered in addition to her large drive wheels.

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Unlike Rusty however, it doesnít cover up the entire cab, so if you want to add a crew to Peter Samís cab like you could with Skarloey and Rheneas, you absolutely could! So this is definitely not a dealbreaker for me, and odds are itís not a dealbreaker for many others as well.  Itís still a pretty accurate chassis for his Talyllyn basis, Edward Thomas, so many people will purchase the model for that reason alone!

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There really are no other major flaws with this model, if I am being completely honest.  Aesthetically, this is exactly what many fans have expected when it came to this beautiful model.  I know that there have been mixed feelings on some of the choices made with the recent HO models, (especially the tail lamp decals) but when it comes to narrow gauge, itís really clear who Bachmann is aiming this particular model towards. Needless to say, regardless of age, the Peter Sam model will really have a good amount of appeal for both older and younger audiences. 

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Now itís time to talk about running, remember what I said earlier about how the extra trailing wheels would make a huge difference, and they most definitely do when you run this model.  Peter Sam is able to pull a decent amount on your layout, and looks great behind most rolling stock currently out in the range. I personally think he looks great with the blue narrow gauge coaches behind him. Hopefully the brake vans are not too far away since we saw the engineering samples recently.

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He is both a very fast and a smooth runner with that additional traction.  So, when I gave Peter Sam a little bit of extra weight to pull for a freight train, Peter Sam continue to carry on like that extra load was nothing. He probably couldíve pulled a lot more if only I had more layout space and more rolling stock.

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On the whole, I am really really happy with how this model turned out. This model took almost 3 years to be released, but without a doubt, this is a major improvement over Rusty and in my opinion the best model currently in the narrow gauge line with Skarloey being a very close second.  Followed by Rheneas and Rusty respectively.  Regardless if you are a hard-core 009 modeler this model is highly recommended by me and if you are a Thomas modeler who collects narrow gauge, this model is an absolute must have!  Thank you Bachmann for introducing this new model into the range and I look forward to all of the new narrow gauge rolling stock in addition to taking a look at Sir Handel and the N scale Toby in the future!

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In the meantime I may have to buy a second one of these at some point to make into Stuart at some point in the future!


Title: Re: The Bachmann Peter Sam Thread
Post by: TerencetheTractor525 on June 23, 2022, 02:01:48 PM
As always, it is a pleasure to read your thoughts on the new models, Chaz. Once seeing Peter Sam in the flesh, in my opinion, he is the best narrow gauge engine yet, in terms of both looks and performance. I specifically love the funnel and open cab, which I certainly plan to put HO figures in. Additionally, once the brake vans are released, I look forward to seeing Peter Sam pull the blue carriages with blue brake van, as shown many times throughout the television series.