Here's an interesting read I stumbled across. Makes one think....... ;)
http://www.ecolo.org/documents/documents_in_english/NuclearForRail.doc (http://www.ecolo.org/documents/documents_in_english/NuclearForRail.doc)
Sid
Found a few really "out there" designs as well.
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc126/paul_heyduck/IDW49finalbyinsubstantial-2.jpg (http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc126/paul_heyduck/IDW49finalbyinsubstantial-2.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h155/sogbad/Train.jpg (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h155/sogbad/Train.jpg)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2275/1818481353_c488c12959_o.jpg (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2275/1818481353_c488c12959_o.jpg)
http://www.milecastle.com/HOLME_SITE/2D/IDW-49-DHolme.jpg (http://www.milecastle.com/HOLME_SITE/2D/IDW-49-DHolme.jpg)
Plus some just plain cool sites.
http://www.crabfu.com/steamtoys/diy_steampunk/ (http://www.crabfu.com/steamtoys/diy_steampunk/)
http://www.crabfu.com/steamtoys/ (http://www.crabfu.com/steamtoys/)
Enjoy
Sid
With nuclear power having the stigma that it currently does, a nuclear-powered locomotive is unlikely. Especially interesting is this line:
"The spent fuel pellets would go to the same locations to which nuclear power stations send their spent fuel rods."
So where, precisely? Currently, spent fuel from power plants gets stored... at the power plants, all of which barely have enough space to store their own waste, let alone the waste of thousands of nuclear locomotives. Until we get that nuclear storage site set up at Yucca Mountain (politics will certainly interfere with that), the waste issue alone will prevent this idea for getting past the experimental stage, if that.
Timothy
Techwise it may work.
But would the general public (at least here in North America) accept a nuclear reactor that can be moved and going thur your town.
A sea going ship is away from the general population and controlled/guarded by the national Navy. A power plant is guarded by the power company's security forces. In the post 9/11 world, who will accept the liability? ???
A friend who is a nuclear engineer and is working on the new reactor to serve the Cherokee, NC area tells me that a lot of nuclear plants have "rent a cop" security. Even the Pentagon has security from a private company. How much security do you get from someone paid the minimum wage to sit in a booth and raise and lower a gate?
Maybe Americans should look to France to see what they do with their nuclear waste. They have 22 nuclear reactors supplying abundant power for the country.
Woody,
Every military installation I've been on in the last few years has "rent a cops" at the gate. No longer a sharp looking MP/AP, but some guy who's apparently been told to tell me when my ID card expires. :D There are a few retired military. But most are not.
Gene
Unless it has changed in the last few years, most bases are open and you can just drive right on in.
It changed late morning/early afternoon 11 Sep 2001. It also varied from post to post, depending on several aspects. Some only authorized personnel were allowed on without a reason. Others were quite open. None are open now. Even with a DoD decal on our cars my wife and I have to stop and show our ID card.
Gene
Nuclear train engines wont fly because bad accidents could spill nuclear molecules and make katrina and exon valdez look like baby barf. On security the private companies are the best way to go because they test all there guards for intelligence and alcohol and drugs and backgrounds. Any retired military guys that want to work for the company have to get tested to so you dont end up alot of them that are dumb or drunk or slackers on government cheese. We have a saying milatary retired an edsel re-tired.
Quote from: CHUG on February 01, 2008, 08:48:47 PM
Nuclear train engines wont fly because bad accidents could spill nuclear molecules and make katrina and exon valdez look like baby barf. On security the private companies are the best way to go because they test all there guards for intelligence and alcohol and drugs and backgrounds. Any retired military guys that want to work for the company have to get tested to so you dont end up alot of them that are dumb or drunk or slackers on government cheese. We have a saying milatary retired an edsel re-tired.
I'm not even sure what to think of this post.......other than the fact I guarantee that we won't have to worry about you being in charge, or running the train. You could be the poster boy for pre-employment screening....lmfao.
Sid
"spilling nuclear particles" isn't the problem but vandalism to a plant, causing a serious reactor meltdown, is a significant threat.
Once, in the late seventies, one of the power companys that ran a reactor in the Oswego, NY area, had a strike. Some strikers vandalized gauges and instruments when they left their shift. These are guys who lived in the area, so it shows you the intelligence level.
The son of a good friend was offered a security job with Wackenfuss (I believe that's how they spell it.) His job? Guarding people who were arrested and detained by INS at Kennedy Airport. No gun, little training and outnumbered 10 to 1.
I hope an atomic steam locomotive is not made! That is a fat boy on wheels. As much as I love steam power, that is not. Now they could hook up a overhead wire system like the eruo train I saw. It was a steam engine with an electric fire box to boil the steam.
Just my thoughts.
Dusten
Spilling nuclear molecules and critical mass from a train engine is a problem you see. rumor had it the military is working on a nuclear jet engine and to test the problem they crashed a C5 with nuclear engines into a field near the morge at dover delaware air base a couple years ago and the field was tested and found a lot a nuclear molecules after the crash. theres also talk around the hunting lodges there about freak animals now around the dover air base like hairless foxs and geese born without no heads and feathers and so forth. typical military stunt of gomer pyles from bozo military schools testing there concoctions without telling nobody or real scientists until its to late and people are poisoned and made freaks and so forth. Private company security can prevent this you see.
The problem with rumors is that most of them are not true.
Wounded Bear.
Do you think you could close the lid and fasten it shut.
Anamous.
Sorry Grump....not until I hear more about these hairless foxes and find out WTF a "morge" is.
Too freakin' funny.
Sid
Chug,
You need to check your meds, your Warriner's and your Merriam-Webster. I retired from the army as a 13E5H, and I can tell you that radiation comes from radioactive ELEMENTS. I would suggest that any accident would insure that there would no longer be any critical mass, much less supercritical mass, which is what makes those ugly mushroom clouds. It's actually fairly easy to clean up a mess of sub-critical pieces. Now, were it to happen in downtown Washington, DC, there would be some unhappy campers adjacent to the wreck - but that wouldn't be for any great distance unless you showed up with those headless geese.
Gene
steamgene you see i dont mean no disrespect to yourself and us citizens all appreciate your service but if your retired military your probably an oldtimer that didnt go to high level formal education after high school and when you joined up and they told you just go out there and watch this bomb and dont worry about nothing like critical mass or nuclear molecules you did what everybody did and just took the order and watched the bomb then wondered why you got cancer or your testes quit and so forth. same as the guys they gave lsd to. Bottom line is if the rumor is right and the military is crashing jumbo planes at dover to test nuclear jet engines and it leads to hairless foxs and other freak animals imagine what its doing to the people that live around there and even the gomer pyles they picked to crash the planes. So anybody that thinks nuclear trains is a good idea should take a lesson and so forth. Thanks.
Chug,
The first lesson a lawyer needs to learn is to never ask a question in court if he doesn't know the answer. Jiust for your edification, I have an AB from the College of William and Mary in Virginia and a diploma from the Command and General Staff College, Fort Leavenworth, Kansas. I retired as a lieutenant colonel and a 13E5H designates a commissioned officer qualified in fire direction to include employment of nuclear and chemical weapons.
Quite frankly, you have no idea. Have you ever been to Dover Air Force Base? Do you know where it is?
Gene
steamgene i said i meant my remarks with all do respect to yourself and your service and so forth. I didnt know you are a lawyer and got a ab degree in this stuff and thats real nice but what the heck did you do with all that learning. At least your attitude is good even if it dont cure cancer or fix your jewels. there is a real problem in this counrty that oldtimers were hosed and now we all have to pay for it but its not your fault and we appreciate your service you see. Dover air base is in dover delaware which is the first state and so forth located on the east coast betwwen maryland and pennsylvania. All our dead go there from the war to there morge. dover downs race track also is there. I know some guys that hunt with guys who go around there. its also very close to the beach area where families and there kids go so messing with nuclear things to see what happens is crazy. i read plenty about the c5 crash there and enough to know something is rotten in denmark on this. the real issue here is again with respect to yourself and your comments is nuclear trains is a bad idea and i appreciate you chiming in about about your ab and lawyer work but i really dont think that changes anything. you seem like a fairly bright person though. Thanks.
Wounded bear ;D
Look what you started.If only
Don
I'll bet you wear a lot of camouflage clothing, don't ya Chug? :D
Damn conspiracy theorists. Anyone that believes these wild theories needs their head read. I'll bet you believe that vapor trails from high altitude jets are actually chemical sprayers. Here's a tip....they're called "Urban Legends" for a reason.
No wonder the rest of the world calls your country the Excited States of Paranoia. All we can hope, is that you are in a small minority with your beliefs.
And by the way....it's MORGUE....not morge.....and a morgue is a building.....why would they crash anything near buildings. Do you perhaps mean cemetery? And even if you did mean cemetery, with the respect we give our dead in society, I can't see them crashing a jet into a cemetery either.
And this line kills me.....you wrote this in reply to Gene...
"I didnt know you are a lawyer and got a ab degree in this stuff and thats real nice but what the heck did you do with all that learning."
Gene did two of the most honorable things a man could ever do.....he used his "learning" to firstly, serve his country, and secondly, to pass on his knowledge and become a teacher.
Just out of curiosity....how old are you? I see you're another one that's afraid to add anything to their profile page.
BTW.....here's a bit about your crash....from Wikipedia, with a link to the whole article.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-5_Galaxy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-5_Galaxy)
Quote from the WIKI article....
"Aircraft 84-0059 (C-5B) crashed after an in-flight emergency involving an indication that a thrust reverser was not locked. On April 3, 2006, the aircraft, assigned to the 436th Airlift Wing and flown by a reserve crew from the 326th Airlift Squadron, 512th Airlift Wing crashed about 2000 ft (610 m) short of runway 32, while attempting a heavyweight emergency landing at Dover Air Force Base, Delaware. The airplane, carrying 17 people, had taken off from Dover about 21 minutes earlier and reported an in-flight emergency (number 2 engine thrust reverser not locked indication) 10 minutes into the flight. The aircraft broke into three sections and the No. 1 engine separated from the wing pylon spilling thousands of gallons of fuel, but there was no fire, and all 17 aboard survived with no life-threatening injuries. The Air Force's accident investigation concluded the crash was a result of human error, most notably the determination that the crew kept one of the functioning engines in flight idle while manipulating the throttle of the (dead) Number 2 engine as if it was still running, an error that was further amplified by the crew's decision to use a high flap setting that increased drag beyond normal 2 engine performance capabilities.[18] The forward fuselage will be converted into a C-5 AMP avionics test bed, and the rest of the airframe has been scrapped"
And OMG....look here....all kinds of pictures of the incident, and not a hazardous environment suit to be seen. But I bet these photos are faked, right?
http://www.cargolaw.com/2006nightmare_c5-b.html (http://www.cargolaw.com/2006nightmare_c5-b.html)
Also, seeing as how there are pictures of the crash on the net, I doubt anything secret was on board.
Sid
Wounded Bear
Fuel to the fire ;D
Don
woundedbear has got hiself in a wide stance with his hemroids flared up about this c5 crash and his steamgeniecakes you see. what kind a clown thinks you can crash a c5 and keep pictures of it out of the news and so forth. The dover delaware air base is close enough to fort mead nsa so they can keep an eye on the whole thing and they probably have satelite pictures of the freaks caused by the nuclear molecules by now if they exist. Thanks.
An atomic plane? Didn't the Russians experiment with one? And the USAF is deliberately crashing them in Delaware? I guess the same guys who blew up the World Trade Center (which is something Mark Cuban claims happened) and blew up the Mississippi levees to flood New Orleans are also responsible for the plane crashes. No doubt they are related to the vast network of conspirators who killed President Kennedy. Maybe they know the whereabouts of Judge Crater!
This string of posts has given me a lot to laugh about!!
You know, Cunnard hired an ocean going tugboat to push that iceberg right into the path of the TITANIC.
Gene
You guys have finally figured it out
Don ;)
Gentlemen, in the words of professor Einstien "das first var vas fought wit sticks on stones, ond so vill das last var". Visionary that I am....I foresee Mel Gibson once again dressed in Mad Max hand-me-downs.... rolling down the main line in a converted fuel tank...throwing computor monitors, phone poles, dead cats......dry radio active foxes have lots of btu's..... but never a headless goose, they are really good if you don't overcook the gravey...we in the west -and those under the age of 40 odd, don't realize much of the world that put steam power in the dead line, not yet scraped when resurrected in the oil cruch years of the 70's and 80's....until it wore out and wasn't replaced with NEW steam.....and not high voltage Austrian coffee pot elements in the firebox... i saw that once too.....about a weird as this thread is getting...:)
When gas gets to $10 a gallon and our electric bills increase by 300 percent or more nuclear power will be accepted as the miracle cure to our energy problems!
I wonder if anyone has considered the possiblity that Chug might be pulling our leg? I've run into a number of people over the years that get their greatest yuks from tall stories, teasing, and bambooziling (sp) others. I can visualize someone sitting in front of his computer screen & roaring with laughter at some of the responses here. ?? just my thoughts. Paul
So have I. To a man they have been intelligent. I think Alexander Pope had Chug in mind when he wrote: "A little learning is a dangerous thing/Drink deep or taste not the Pyriann Spring."
Gene
I would like to add something to this thread .I believe it has all been said .You can never have to much information.
Don :(
I have a williams amtrak Genesisis there a way to add a fan driven smoke unit and were would I go for parts
Nuclear trains!?
Dang goverment!
Train wrecks just got a little worse...
If it goes through, I'm not going to colleage to become a train engineer, it's almost suicide to drive a nuclear train!
Oh,well...what's ya gonna do,
Someone likely posted the same compant when they said steam was over forever...
I thought electric was to stop diesel, or maybe it will? Now it's just a big old race to see which can take our trains into the next genration...I'm hoping electric wins! ;D
Do you realize that most of the trains we run are made in China . In the matter of Natiional security all the locos and cars from China should be taken apart and checked for bugs. They may even contain radio active material.
Don :-X
Chug, no disrepect intended but I am not yet retired military and have ove 27 years in service. With that said, where in the world do you get your information! I only read about three or four of your posts and I am astounded at your implications! Understand that rumors are just that! Rumors. I can take a Geiger counter and detect radiation anywhere in the world. It all depends on the Rads being emmitted as to whether it is serious or not. The military would not take a multi billion dollar aircraft and intentionally crash it just to determine the amount of "radioactive molecules" deposited. Computers are so much cheaper! Your facts are very skewed and just pretty much wrong! sincerely,
SMSgt Stephen D. Richards
Special Operationsl Command Central
Sid,
sorry I didn't read on before making my comments. Well said! Thanks for the vote too.
Gene,
I didn't know you were starting a conspiracy! lol Sorry, couldn't help it.
Stephen
The nearest thing that we will ever have wh en it come to nuclear powered locomotives is a nuclear power station to generate power for an overhear wire.
Lord, deliver us.
Gene
HOLY SMOKES
its... like a future train
it's a few steps up from the 4 wheeled 20mph planet 2-2-0 eh? ;D
Quote from: WoundedBear on January 31, 2008, 08:43:38 PM
Found a few really "out there" designs as well.
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc126/paul_heyduck/IDW49finalbyinsubstantial-2.jpg (http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc126/paul_heyduck/IDW49finalbyinsubstantial-2.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h155/sogbad/Train.jpg (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h155/sogbad/Train.jpg)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2275/1818481353_c488c12959_o.jpg (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2275/1818481353_c488c12959_o.jpg)
http://www.milecastle.com/HOLME_SITE/2D/IDW-49-DHolme.jpg (http://www.milecastle.com/HOLME_SITE/2D/IDW-49-DHolme.jpg)
For the LAST time, there is NO current life on Mars! (lol)
Yes, nuclear trains! Next, we'll stick our heads in liquid nitrogen!