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Title: Bachmann DCC and G Scale
Post by: wally on February 21, 2007, 05:26:28 PM
Will the Bachmann DCC E-Z digital command control system work with  Bachmanns own G scale engines that come DCC ready?


Title: Re: Bachmann DCC and G Scale
Post by: charon on February 21, 2007, 06:06:09 PM
Good question, Wally.
I was wondering that myself.
Anybody please?
Thanks,
Chuck


Title: Re: Bachmann DCC and G Scale
Post by: traindude109 on February 21, 2007, 06:29:45 PM
I had a post like this on the old board. Yes it will. You have to buy Bachmann's 5 amp booster, and you will probably only be able to run 1-2 single motor and 1 twin motor loco at a time. Also, low gardes are a must. You can't use Bachmann's decoders either. Someone will provide you with more information, but the short answer is yes, but there are some limitations.


Title: Re: Bachmann DCC and G Scale
Post by: StanAmes on February 21, 2007, 10:15:22 PM
I must admit I am confused by TrainDudes answer.

Yes you can use EZ Command to run the 3 truck shay that comes with a Bachmann Sound on Board DCC decoder. Yes you will need to also have the 5 amp booster (power station).  No need to change out the Bachmann decoder and grades are not a problem. (not sure where this rumor came from)

Not sure how many locomotives you can run at the same time with the Bachmann 5 amp unit in part because there is no standard for amp rating and Bachmanns 5 amps is a lot more then others 5 amps.  There is still a lot of hard wet snow on the layout but perhaps if there is interest I can power up the layout on Saturday and send out a plow train and power it with an EZ Command plus 5 amp booster.

Stan


Title: Re: Bachmann DCC and G Scale
Post by: traindude109 on February 21, 2007, 11:14:54 PM
I must admit I am confused by TrainDudes answer.

Yes you can use EZ Command to run the 3 truck shay that comes with a Bachmann Sound on Board DCC decoder. Yes you will need to also have the 5 amp booster (power station).  No need to change out the Bachmann decoder and grades are not a problem. (not sure where this rumor came from)

Not sure how many locomotives you can run at the same time with the Bachmann 5 amp unit in part because there is no standard for amp rating and Bachmanns 5 amps is a lot more then others 5 amps.  There is still a lot of hard wet snow on the layout but perhaps if there is interest I can power up the layout on Saturday and send out a plow train and power it with an EZ Command plus 5 amp booster.

Also, I was referring to Bachmanns 1amp decoders they sell, I did not mean the DCC equipped locos. I believe the question referred to locos that are DCC ready, not equipped.

Stan


Sorry Stan. What I am basically saying is if you have a couple single motored locos running at one time with this DCC system and have low grades, then you should be able to use it, but you cannot use the Bachmann decoders. Twin motored locos like the shay or climax will take more power. Either way, you will need the 5 amp booster. It is a great way to start out in DCC, but there are limitations.


Title: Re: Bachmann DCC and G Scale
Post by: Nathan on February 22, 2007, 12:06:12 AM
Stan,

Would like to know the results of you test when the weather allows.  I guess there are some advantages to living where you do not see much snow or ice.

Do you have any current draw tests on the three truck as to real world current draw in normal use?

Nathan


Title: Re: Bachmann DCC and G Scale
Post by: Curmudgeon on February 22, 2007, 03:19:46 AM
Funny.
The more technical it gets, the more precise the questions and answers need to be.
The question was can you use Bachmann DCC with their DCC ready locomotives.
And I quote:
"Will the Bachmann DCC E-Z digital command control system work with  Bachmanns own G scale engines that come DCC ready? "

Now, the control system, or their decoders?
To tell one they can use a stock Bachmann EZCommand DCC in a Bachmann LS loco is.......pushing it.
Porters, probably.
But, you want current draw, on a 3-truck w've had it for over 7 years.

Once the plating wears away on the drivers, and for crying out loud, a grade makes a BIG difference. On a 3-truck Shay a 4 amp on-board breaker will trip on a 4% grade with 10-12 loads.
A 5-amp will not.

Shiny wheels, 2 units tested, neither with the Quasinamin installed, one 1.6A full slip, one 2.4A full slip on DC.

Now, tractive effort.
Shiny wheels, 2-truck Shay, 12 cars max on a 4% grade.
Same engine, plating worn, 34 easy.
That's three times the load.
So, while current draw may not be a linear function of traction, triple the tractive effort and......?

That was Wally's question.
I don't have to power anything up to tell you current draws.

Stan is right, the DCC equipped don't care about command stations, as long as you buy boosters.
And you need a decoder that will handle the amps.
Still wondering about this one, Stan:

"No need to change out the Bachmann decoder and grades are not a problem. (not sure where this rumor came from)"

You talking an EZCommand decoder or a Soundtraxx (not Bachmann manufacture)?


Title: Re: Bachmann DCC and G Scale
Post by: wally on February 22, 2007, 04:08:04 PM
Thanks for the help.


Title: Re: Bachmann DCC and G Scale
Post by: Jim Banner on February 23, 2007, 10:25:27 AM
Who's decoder?  If it came from the factory with a decoder installed, then the decoder is a "Bachmann decoder," no matter who made it.  I buy a Ford and it comes with a "Ford transmission," no matter who made it.  No use muddying the waters by getting overly technical on nomenclature.

If it came with a factory installed decoder, why would you want to change it out for another decoder?  Lots of reasons, perhaps, in terms of features.  But certainly not because it was inadequate to handle the motor load.  And only an idiot would install a 1 amp decoder in a 3 amp locomotive, no matter what the scale.  The same guy who would try to save gas by installing a lawn mower engine in a dump truck.

The beauty of DCC is that it does not matter who made the decoder, it will work with the Bachmann DCC E-Z digital command control system.  Not like radio control where my LocoLink equipped locomotive sits there dead on the rails as I madly push the buttons on my Train Engineer throttle.  I suspect it is this non-interchangability of radio control components that makes the compatability of DCC decoders so hard to accept for radio control proponents.

For sizing decoders, we need to know motor draw.  But as far as that motor draw is concerned, it matters not a whit what shape the wheels are in, what the grade is, or how many cars it is pulling - the important current rating is the one with the motor stalled, not moving at all, not turning, not producing any motion, not ... well, you get the idea.



Title: Re: Bachmann DCC and G Scale
Post by: Curmudgeon on February 23, 2007, 01:30:52 PM
Jim-
Since this is the "Large Scale" forum, and since they only have one type of factory-installed decoder in any LS engines, my guess is as good as yours.
Oh, and please don't tell Intel you have a Dell Computer with a Dell processor.....

And, since the ads and such seem to be extrememly specific about "Tsunami Technology", I would guess that anyone using NMRA-DCC, one they installed it, would refer to it as "Bachmann-invented DCC.

One last thing.......Wally never asked that question, nor did he ask about factory on-board equipped.......


(Boeing with Boeing engines or GE? The funny part was 80's Jeeps with GM engines.........)


Title: Re: Bachmann DCC and G Scale
Post by: Jim Banner on February 23, 2007, 05:06:06 PM
TOC, you are quite right, all Wally asked was whether he could run his g-scale locomotives with decoders installed by Bachmann with the Bachman DCC system.  There were numerous things Wally did not ask, including anything about Bachmann decoders, shiny wheels, worn wheels, current draw, grades, tractive effort, and on and on.

If we accept your premise that Bachmann installs two kinds of decoders, "Tsunami Decoders" in large scale and "Bachmann Decoders" in smaller scales, then traindude 109's first answer was smack on, and should have ended this thread.  One five amp booster is barely enough to run a two motor plus two single motor locomotives at the same time, and then only if there are no steep grades involved.  He might have added "and no long trains are involved either."  He even went so far as to tell Wally he would need non-Bachmann decoders in his other LS locmotives.   At no point did he suggest that the Tsunami decoder in the 3 truck Shay was inadequate to drive a Shay with as many cars as it can handle up the steepest grade it could handle.

Interestingly enough, this is supported by your own data, TOC, where you say a Shay can blow a 4 amp breaker on a 4% grade.  Blowing a 4 amp breaker means the locomotive is averaging more than 4 amps.  That would not leave enough power to also run two single motor locomotives with a 5 amp booster.  To run the Shay and run the pair of single motored units, you would have to limit that Shay to lesser grades, just as traindude 109 claimed.   (I suspect Stan missed that "and" and thought traindude 109 was claiming the Shay could not handle the grade.  Traindude 109 was talking about the booster.)

Traindude 109 also suggested someone else would provided more information but it seems that all the "experts" have been doing is fighting!  So let me say to Wally - there are lots of other decoder manufacturers out there that make decoders suitable for large scale at prices ranging from less than $50 to about $110.  Generally a 3 amp decoder is enough for a single motor locomotive and a 5 amp for a dual motor job.  Four motor locomotives generally have lower power motors and so can also be run on 5 amp decoders, although this is marginal.  Decoders up to 8 amps exist but the choices are limited, and of course price goes up with amps.  To run more locomotives, you can generally add more boosters.  I say "generally" because there are boosters that are limited to one per layout.  The MRC Power Station 8 was such a booster.  Whether the Bachmann 5 amp booster is also limited to one per layout, I do not know - I have not yet had the chance to take one to pieces.   


Title: Re: Bachmann DCC and G Scale
Post by: Curmudgeon on February 23, 2007, 07:23:05 PM
Jim-
True, to a point.
This IS the Large-Scale forum, so questions asked here are for large-scale, of which the ONLY decoders installed by Bachmann to date are Tsunami clones.

And, we have no data as to which engine the original poster was referring to.

And, don't quote me on the 5A booster.
This from young Stanley, several responses down:

"Yes you can use EZ Command to run the 3 truck shay that comes with a Bachmann Sound on Board DCC decoder. Yes you will need to also have the 5 amp booster (power station)."

Depends on grades, loads, number of motors.

Now, folks who have seen my small railroad have commented, that to run dcc here (after replacing all the aluminum rail and turnouts, slip joiners for rail clamps, attached track to floating, etc), one would have to have so many 10A booster districts to run the 20 at once we have done, we would have a fully-blocked railroad anyway.

The cost would be significant.

NS or stainless track and switches (no SS on 250 and 215), all the boosters, wiring, signal lines, plus the cleaning of even SS track, the cleaning of wheels (and replacing all the ones with worn plating), constant repair of pickups and springs due to collapsing springs on decoder recharge curent when you do hit a slug trail, yes, I could, spen thousands and thousands, and limit operations to once or twice a year.

Sounds like something I might be interested in.....as soon as I poke myself in the eye with a sharp stick.

And then I could have TWO sets of trains so I could run one set on dcc and the other to take to friends railroads who weren't talked into putting dcc outdoors in the first place.

TOC



Title: Re: Bachmann DCC and G Scale
Post by: traindude109 on February 23, 2007, 08:19:56 PM
TOC, you are quite right, all Wally asked was whether he could run his g-scale locomotives with decoders installed by Bachmann with the Bachman DCC system.  There were numerous things Wally did not ask, including anything about Bachmann decoders, shiny wheels, worn wheels, current draw, grades, tractive effort, and on and on.

If we accept your premise that Bachmann installs two kinds of decoders, "Tsunami Decoders" in large scale and "Bachmann Decoders" in smaller scales, then traindude 109's first answer was smack on, and should have ended this thread.  One five amp booster is barely enough to run a two motor plus two single motor locomotives at the same time, and then only if there are no steep grades involved.  He might have added "and no long trains are involved either."  He even went so far as to tell Wally he would need non-Bachmann decoders in his other LS locmotives.   At no point did he suggest that the Tsunami decoder in the 3 truck Shay was inadequate to drive a Shay with as many cars as it can handle up the steepest grade it could handle.

Interestingly enough, this is supported by your own data, TOC, where you say a Shay can blow a 4 amp breaker on a 4% grade.  Blowing a 4 amp breaker means the locomotive is averaging more than 4 amps.  That would not leave enough power to also run two single motor locomotives with a 5 amp booster.  To run the Shay and run the pair of single motored units, you would have to limit that Shay to lesser grades, just as traindude 109 claimed.   (I suspect Stan missed that "and" and thought traindude 109 was claiming the Shay could not handle the grade.  Traindude 109 was talking about the booster.)

Traindude 109 also suggested someone else would provided more information but it seems that all the "experts" have been doing is fighting!  So let me say to Wally - there are lots of other decoder manufacturers out there that make decoders suitable for large scale at prices ranging from less than $50 to about $110.  Generally a 3 amp decoder is enough for a single motor locomotive and a 5 amp for a dual motor job.  Four motor locomotives generally have lower power motors and so can also be run on 5 amp decoders, although this is marginal.  Decoders up to 8 amps exist but the choices are limited, and of course price goes up with amps.  To run more locomotives, you can generally add more boosters.  I say "generally" because there are boosters that are limited to one per layout.  The MRC Power Station 8 was such a booster.  Whether the Bachmann 5 amp booster is also limited to one per layout, I do not know - I have not yet had the chance to take one to pieces.   



Thanks for standing up for me Jim!  ;) That is exactly what I was pointing out.


Title: Re: Bachmann DCC and G Scale
Post by: Curmudgeon on February 23, 2007, 08:25:19 PM
Still not sure who is arguing.
And still can't figure out why grades are not an issue.
And still can't figure out why a loco on DC with a specific current draw would draw less on dcc.......but sometimes that's the way it reads.
If that was the case, we'd all be putting decoders in the light switches of our houses.


Title: Re: Bachmann DCC and G Scale
Post by: Nathan on February 23, 2007, 08:45:07 PM
Curmudgeon,

The original post was about the Bachmann Large Scale 3 turck Shay running on DCC.

Stan and a number of us use DCC out doors regulary and also have experiance with DC.  We experiance no more or no less problems with DCC on SS, Brass, or NS.  Yes, there is a limitation of 10 amps on a booster.  My Dad and I both have run as many as 6 large scale locomotives off of one 10 amp booster.  Yes, most of the locos only drew 1 amp each.

On our club layout, which is primarly DC, I have connected my DCC system with one 10 amp booster and run 4 trains on one loop that has a 4% grade at one point.  At least one trains was going up that grade while one was going up a 2% grade, one was going down a 3% grade and one was on a level section.  One locomotive drew about 3 amps on that 4% grade  with no other locos on the track as measured on a Tony's RRAmp DCC reading meter.  The peak current for all four locomotives was about 9 amps, 6 amps most of the time because of the grades.

And we do take our locomotives to places that have DC only and run them with no problems.

Lets look at DC.  You want to run 4 trains, you buy 4 power packs.  Some of your trains only need 1 amp, a passenger train with a three unit PA-PB-PA and 10 passenger cars needs about 10 amps.  What size trains you run says how much you spend on a power pack.  There are a number of large scale DC power packs that are well over $200 if you want to spend the money.

Now you do your block wireing.  A simple passing sideing for two trains, one going each direction.  If you use a reasonable quality electric switch to choose which of 4 DC power packs is going to control each block, you can spend between $50 and $100 on the four blocks.

DCC is not the only answer.  DC is not the only answer.  MTS is not the only answer.  Battery with R/C is not the only answer.  Live steam is not the only answer.  Each person picks the 'control' system that they feel works for them.

As for 'youg Stanley',  I know he is youger then me, I am only 61, but then my Dad is 85, got his first train when he was 3, and been 'scale' model railroading since 1953.  We all have spent time wiring DC layouts and DCC layouts.  Age is not the important thing, enjoying the hobby of model railroading, no mater what the scale, is what it is all about.

Nathan


Title: Re: Bachmann DCC and G Scale
Post by: traindude109 on February 23, 2007, 08:46:42 PM
Some of the guys who post good information I guess.
Grades are always an issue, don't know how many times I have to say that.
Because it only takes in the amount of amps it needs because the DCC system is putting out the full power supply all the time when on. The loco only takes the amount of power it needs to stay at the constant set speed.


Title: Re: Bachmann DCC and G Scale
Post by: Curmudgeon on February 23, 2007, 09:45:12 PM
Nathan-

Okay, here's the deal:
First, read the title of this thread:

Then, the ORIGINAL message was:
"Will the Bachmann DCC E-Z digital command control system work with  Bachmanns own G scale engines that come DCC ready? "

NO WHERE does it refer to the three-truck Shay, NOR does it refer to factory-equipped locomotives.

DCC Ready is different than DCC-equipped.
As I have said before, I use aluminum, as it's cheap, I can get 215 codes, at that height it really follows terrain well (unlike 332, especially SS).
Price out SS and NS sometimes as compared to aluminum.
I've got over 1400 feet of aluminum down, and about 80 turnouts.

You want to know how many blocks I have in the entire 1400+ feet?
One.

It goes from one end of the RR to the other.
Not one of the turnouts is "dcc compatible", as you read about in the general forum here.

I challenge you to run anything track powered here, or even wooden rails, or on live steam railroads using live-steamers that have non-insulated drivers.

I've run my Shay (2-truck, original release Ely-Thomas) on a railroad that was 1" under muddy water....try getting packet transfer in that!

I must admit, I have a couple of power packs here.
One is an OLD Tri-Tech "Hogger" I use for testing and to drive my turnouts IN the shed.
The other is a 30+ year old MRC Throttlemaster something, an H0 pack given to me long ago, blown up.
Fixed it and use it for bench testing.

So.

I have no power supplies feeding the railroad.
I have no boosters.
No power districts.
No blocks.
No buried power cables.
No (and read that as NONE) track-cleaning devices of any sort.
No soldered joints in the rails, no jumper wires across joints, and exactly 12 clamps on the entire railroad, 10 of which are for removing bridges for lawnmower and wheelchair access.

Whan I want to run, I turn one switch on the loco on.
I then run.
My maintenance consists of pickup branches off the track on the first run.

I don't worry about decoder recharge current taking out pickup springs.
I never, and once again, read that as NEVER clean my loco wheels, nor worry about collapsed pickup springs or dirty pickups.

I don't have either any special wiring for reverse loops nor any super-duper electronics to automatically do it for me.

I have yet to have to put any of my locomotives on a "programming track", nor obtain any 1K ohm resistors to get them to program, nor plug my engines into any computer interfaces.

Also, I have yet to have any unwanted smoke come out of any of my  equipment.

Of course, my railroad has been outdoors running year-round in the Pacific Northwest for just over 15 years, so I guess I just haven't been at it long enough.

BTW, I have talked at length to folks who do DCC outdoors, and know about the 10-15 minutes it takes to clean SS track, the two hours to clean the brass, then they take the engines off the track (gee, I don't even do that), clean the wheels and pickups thoroughly, and when they start to run, the performance continuously degrades as they run, as crXp biulds up on wheels, pickups and track.

Holy Batpoop, look at all the fun I'm missing!


Title: Re: Bachmann DCC and G Scale
Post by: Curmudgeon on February 23, 2007, 09:49:55 PM
traindude109:

So, dcc is different than dc in current requirements?
The dcc locomotive only takes the power it needs?

"Because it only takes in the amount of amps it needs because the DCC system is putting out the full power supply all the time when on. The loco only takes the amount of power it needs to stay at the constant set speed."

Okay, I'll bite.
How does any other system differ from that?
Are you telling be a track powered loco will take the full 10 amps available just because?

One more thing.
I've been VERY careful to quote the original person who mentioned grades.
Don't take it personal, it wasn't you.

I will say, if you believe all this, then we need decoders in more than the light switches in our houses.
I wonder if spam advertisements for ****** will now be supplanted......



Title: Re: Bachmann DCC and G Scale
Post by: Jim Banner on February 23, 2007, 10:56:15 PM
TOC, who was the first to mention grades in regard to this?  On this thread, it was traindude 109, except he mistyped it.  But earlier than that, on the old board, I dimly remember someone explaining to traindude 109 and others that trains going up grades took more power than on the level, and that had to be taken into account when figuring how many trains would run on a given booster.  Was that you?  Or me?  Or one of the others with actual working experience with DCC outdoors?

Just to explain to others where TOC is coming from - he has a major investment in battery r/c operation and it would be as cost prohibitive for him to switch to DCC as it would be for me to suddenly switch to all battery r/c.  TOC started out with battery r/c and stayed with it.  If I had a large railroad with 1400 feet of track, I might have stayed with battery r/c too.  But on my smaller layout squeezed into a suburban backyard, I found battery r/c too limiting and too expensive so I switched to DCC.  I like DCC because I can add another locomotive to my roster. then get it running on DCC for less than $50.  TOC likes battery r/c because he can add another hundred yards of track and not have to buy another booster.  Who is right?  I guess we both are.  And I also guess this paragraph has ended up being as much about where I am coming from as about where TOC is coming from.

There are even things TOC and I agree on.  One is the use of aluminum rail.  We both like the price, the low profiles, and the ease of installation.  But TOC sees is as useful only for battery r/c whereas I see it as a wonderfully conductive metal that carries electricity well and willingly transfers it to locomotive wheels if you know how to treat it properly.  Of course I have to clean it, usually once in the spring and maybe one or two more times during the summer, at ten minutes a time for my 300 feet of track and half a dozen turnouts.  Other than that, it is just a quick walk around the layout, picking up twigs, branches, and dog crXp.  I imagine TOC has to do the same, unless he lives in an area with no trees, no bushes and no dogs.  At least I don't think that is the kind of crXp he is talking about building up on his wheels, pickups and track.


Title: Re: Bachmann DCC and G Scale
Post by: Curmudgeon on February 24, 2007, 12:15:50 AM
We just flick branches off when needed.
Fall we use the backside of a shopvac.
Never have cleaned this track, though.


Title: Re: Bachmann DCC and G Scale
Post by: Jim Banner on February 24, 2007, 12:19:55 AM
And the lucky winner of the "who was first to mention grades" contest was??


Title: Re: Bachmann DCC and G Scale
Post by: Curmudgeon on February 24, 2007, 01:34:38 AM
Ollie's buddy was, of course, and he doesn't know where that came from.

Several not participating on this thread are still trying to figure out how grades don't make a difference.

And:
 “Bachmanns 5 amps is a lot more then others 5 amps.” 

Okay, I'll bite.
An amp is a unit of measurement..............

“I suspect it is this non-interchangability of radio control components that makes the compatability of DCC decoders so hard to accept for radio control proponents.”

I don't have any issues with interchangeability. We really want to go there?
Try running the Quasinami on an MTS system out of the box.
Or, try a Maerklin system.
All DCC.......

“Lets look at DC.  You want to run 4 trains, you buy 4 power packs.”

I never did that. Even in the old days with block control. Plus, I haven't seen anybody be able to actually keep track of more than one effectively, two if you're real good, and three?
Do it and I'll engage you in convesation......
Or, as one said.."Really?  I can run several from one.  Maybe mine makes those special volts and amps Stan uses".


One of the funnier e-mails:
"I don’t care if your booster puts out 50 amps ... if your locomotive draws three amps, and has a decoder made by Bachmann, Soundtraxx, or Santa Claus that becomes a rocket igniter at 1.9 amps, you’re not going far."

of course, there is this:
"And... as to the Ford having all Ford components .... I wonder if the folks at Troop F, Conn State Police would have thought it so if someone tried to replace their Calloway equipped Camaro with a standard Chevrolet exhaust .... "

Ah, the English, it so confusing be......

 





Title: Re: Bachmann DCC and G Scale
Post by: Jim Banner on February 24, 2007, 01:51:17 AM
I guess TOC and Stan were both a little confused by traindude 109's "gardes" for "grades"  in his first posting on this thread.

Well, I'm off to install decoders in all my light switches, leaving TOC to have the last word.


Title: Re: Bachmann DCC and G Scale
Post by: Nathan on February 24, 2007, 09:42:51 AM
“Lets look at DC.  You want to run 4 trains, you buy 4 power packs.”

"I  never did that. Even in the old days with block control. Plus, I haven't seen anybody be    able to actually keep track of more than one effectively, two if you're real good, and three?
Do it and I'll engage you in convesation......
Or, as one said.."Really?  I can run several from one.  Maybe mine makes those special volts and amps Stan uses"."

I regulary run two trains with DCC.  If a sceond person is avalable, three or four is no problem.  At a club or group operating seeesion four is easy to do.  At operating sesions on a properly dedigned layout, you can even have a crew for each train.  And you have to watch for 'signals' if they are installed, or watch of other trains, head on's can happen if you do not.

When I run my two trains, one is just  'going on its own' and I am runnig the other one.  At train shows people like to see the trains going both ways on the same track, they don't care if it is DC or DCC.  On a simple loop with four passing sideings  at train shows I regulary run 4 trains on DCC, two each direction.  Yes, I have taken the time to 'match' the locomotives, and even then I have to keep and eye on them, adjusting the spped of one or two of them every so often.  If I have a second person to help, we have run four trains and one locomotive by it self.  I use this one to 'chase' other trains, changing it's direction to change which train it is 'chasing'.

MTS and some versions of the Marklin systems are not DCC.  There are possable problems as a result.

Nathan


Title: Re: Bachmann DCC and G Scale
Post by: traindude109 on February 25, 2007, 12:58:39 AM
Well, it seems that every time I say something on this thread, it gets twisted around and suddenly means something else, completely different from what my original post was supposed to mean. So.....I think I am going to just get out now before anything else, again.............

Why is that this always happens to me on these kind of threads. **SIGH**

Well, whatever. Good luck to the rest of you!


Title: Re: Bachmann DCC and G Scale
Post by: Curmudgeon on February 26, 2007, 04:38:45 PM
Join the club.
Just remember to be a clear as possible, as you will get quoted.

Exactly what got twisted around?

Nathan- Ah, yes, loopty-loops.

I've experienced trains just left to run on their own, looping, have seious issues, especially at shows, where some kid reaches over and throws a turnout.

Laying a brick on the dead-man's pedal and letting it run with no engineer is certainly my idea of model railroading!


Title: Re: Bachmann DCC and G Scale
Post by: Pospete on March 12, 2007, 02:46:14 AM
Will the Bachmann DCC E-Z digital command control system work with  Bachmanns own G scale engines that come DCC ready?



 Hey Wally, for what it's worth ( no doubt creating a few more comments) In all my Bachmann Locos I use the MRC 8amp decoder. I've used it in the Diesels and My Climax,( And all the single motor trains) which I even managed to work out and fit a chuff cam on a wheel for syncronised chuff.  I fit sound when I fit the decoder as the MRC decoder does Hum a bit, tho not noticeable with sound on board.