Does anybody make the old 1010?
The one that used to pull Death Valley Scotty private business car via the Santa Fe.
Not RTR, but I believe MDC/ Roundhouse made that series for years, as a kit- YOU had to paint and number it....on ebay now and then....
Quote from: TonyD on February 27, 2008, 11:12:04 PM
Not RTR, but I believe MDC/ Roundhouse made that series for years, as a kit- YOU had to paint and number it....on ebay now and then....
Not to rain on anyone's parade, but the MDC engine, although it looks nice, is incorrect for a Santa Fe 1000 class. ALL Santa Fe 2-6-2's had the main rod going to the #2 driver, not the #3 as in the MDC kit. Also, the kit has 63" drivers. The 1000, 1050, 1800 class Prairies had 69" drivers.
http://www.yesteryeardepot.com/SF1010.JPG (http://www.yesteryeardepot.com/SF1010.JPG)
1800 class:
http://www.yesteryeardepot.com/SF1828.JPG (http://www.yesteryeardepot.com/SF1828.JPG)
Andre
Great job on retrieving that 1010. Saved photo.
Thanks HGC
1010 is a large locomotive for that wheel arrangement. Andre hit the nail on the head, the MDC is incorrect in a couple of important areas, it is about 10% too short. Itt can be made into a reasonable model, but it is not prototypical. The kit was originally a Santa Fe 4-4-2 made into a 2-6-2.
Hallmark did make a scale model but those are very rare.
and here is the 1010 in ull color
http://www.toytrains1.com/prairie.htm
The Santa Fe did have two 2-6-2s with 63 in drivers. The MDC boiler was a boiler for the 4-4-2. The 1800s were nice engines. I think it was the last active steam locomotive that I was in on the Stanta Fe. Two things that I wonder about the 1010. I really think that it was an oil burner and they put coal on top of the oil tank for the movie, because every one know that a steam locomotive uses coal. I wonder why it was painted red.
RAM,
Roads that used oil also used coal in the eastern areas quite frequently. Many locos started as coal burners, were converted to oil and then went back to coal. Some did it several times. So the Santa Fe 1010 could have been both at one time or another. The black and white shot shows it to be a coal burner.
Gene
Gene I know that the Santa Fe used coal east of Kansas City as well as other locations and that locomotives were changed from coal to oil and sometimes back. However to me it looks like it has an oil tank with coal on top of it. Now as far as the rad paint job. I found out that it was for a GE commercial. #564 and 565 had 63 inch drivers.
Like the man said, does anyone make the model? and I guess the answer is no, 'not yet' but the mdc's were- in those days, the beginning of a project to make a particular series of-whatever you needed. It seems they always came with the rods on the wrong axle, with wrong diameter, wrong valve gear or valve type, but that all got changed on the workbench, my pet peeve were the cast on domes.....they weren't goin' noplace....lately, I gave up kibashing these things 'cause someone will mass produce exactly what I want within a year....but the old kits WERE based on one of the SF- or SP?? praires...how close to which one?????? But the price was right, ran better than brass-and the only game in town.... and the people who wanted Harriman types, these were for them too... I bet they are resurrected, better than ever, one of these days....
Thanks TonyD
HGC
Have to say thats a heck of a paint job....maybe thats where John Allen got the idea for his red engine.
all those here who know who John Allen was raise your hands... ;D
"I answer for him."
Gene
(Now, where did that come from?" ;D
OK, - Who is John Allen?
HGC
John Allen is the guy that invented the Allen wrench.
Quote from: hgcHO on February 27, 2008, 10:40:59 PM
Does anybody make the old 1010?
The one that used to pull Death Valley Scotty private business car via the Santa Fe.
Not that particular model, but the ATSF 1050 class has been done in brass and these are virtually identical to the 1000 class to which 1010 belongs.
There are 2 Key 1050 class Prairies up for bid on eBay. The one listed longest is up to $445. Here's a link to the other: http://tinyurl.com/2kkydf
(http://tinyurl.com/2kkydf)
Andre
I don't think so... There is a guy belonging to the NMRA who didn't know what the Gorre and Daphetid was.
Gene
Gene,
I visited the G&D as a kid thanks to a hobby shop owner I knew. John Allen used all sorts of things to make his locomotives. The amazing part was that details that looked physical weren't. John had a way of painting details on. He knew how to trick the eye.
Andre, The Key models look good but don't run all that well, at least the one I had didn't Poor weight distribution.
goggle 'Gorre and Dephetid' or spelled something like that, the guru of model railroading from the 40's till he died in the late 70's, I think he 'invented' scenery, before him, people were happy with raw plywood and the kid's toys stuck on there....and he wasn't a perfectionist like many nowadays, he had fun- and was proud of it! he also like to lay track ..........the allen wrench was invented by a Canadian hardware store owner with bad eyesight and the shakes...
John Allen didn't "invent" scenery, but he took it to a new level.
He died in 1973, and his layout was destroyed in a fire shortly after.
According to Wikipedia the first patent for an Allen wrench was issued to a guy in Conneticutt in 1943.
Gene
Ya no somethin'? That must be right, now that I think of it, the phillips screwdriver is what was on my brain...I would have thought one of our friends in the cracked windshield club would have corrected me. I now also remember the G&D burning up, what a shame that was, too much trackwork in my book, but so impressive to once young guys like me.... I think there was a series of pictorial paperbacks dealing just with that layout...
Whoa! Japasha! you saw the G&D in person??? Wow. Tell us, tell us all the tale of 'thee' model railroad....gosh I hope you had a camera with you, but as kids, we seldom had one handy huh? How did he reach all those high deep places??? I need to know it all.... was it the just the scenery or the rolling stock too that had these 'tricks to the eye' ... where was this? north of LA? I forgot all the details... it has been too long..... you are/ were, one lucky kid......
Monteray, north of LA, but better, a bit south of San Francisco.
Gene
Tony D,
First, I was a pretty lucky kid in that I saw Cab-Forwards and most of the big SP steam still in action. The San Francisco East Bay had the Mosel Engineers in Emeryville and my uncle was trainmaster on many nights and made me sit in a chair and not touch anything while he ran a Lobaugh two-rail Oscale engine he had. Nice. But in 1963, Joe Alexander asked me if I wanted to go with him to see John Allen's layout. I had seen pictures in Varney ads and MR. First, John was a good host when most young people were by. As I was college age, he just went through the rules and then showed us downstairs. In person the layout was fantastic!
The Model Engineers had some scenery but nothing like the G&D. John let the usual operators run trains and took me on a trip around the layout. It was no where near completed at that time. I had brought my HOn3 PFM C&S #22 to run on his layout. It wasn't painted yet but he went ahaed and ran it. .
A bnit later on that visit, Cliff Grandt and his sons appeard so the operating session got underway.
John did his own track and switches. His locomotives may have been sold as something once but on the G&D they were heavily modified.
Later in the 60s I had to do college and military but kept in contact with John. I went to Europe on an MR-sponsored trip in 1971-2 or so. John and I got to all of the narrow gauge railroads . In person, he was generous and friendly but you never should get involved in his switching game. I learned more about setting out cars from John and Whit Towers that I ever learned watching a real railroad.
IMHO, John was someone who created. I wish I had the dedication but I still play.
Of 'Alexander Scale models'? And 'Grandt LIne models'? You were on the mount Olympus of model railroading..we should all grovel at your feet!!!.....feel free to tell us more, any time the mood hits you....so it was a home layout that needed several operators huh? I believe it. I have one steam and a couple diesels from the 'Pacific Southern' with Mr. Latham's tag on the bottom. Atleast there was an estate sale..even if I ended up with the scrappings, I treasure them as another pioneer modeler and layout long gone.... I hope some of the G&D stock survived...
Tony D,
Well, They were people who just had one passion: Model Railroading. The yall did it from their own perspective, which is what they taught me. That's what I encourage others to do. It's like old 1010. It sits at the California Railroad Museum in fair condition. It needs to be really redone, but it was operating when the museum got it..
Joe Alexander was Ed's cousin. I have a few of the 0ld kits I got in the early 60's built. Crude but still good places to learn. I have an old o scale B&O 4-6-0 by Varney that's as old as I am but it runs very werll and pulls a large group of cars..
John Allen's layout was really for operation but he loved to do scenery, the more outlandish the better. The best hisotry on the layut and some of the best pictures are in Linn Wescott's book on the G&D from Kalmbach. It is still available nd I highly reccommend it.
I think what John Allen was doing is similar to what the special effects groups do in movies. He made you look at something the way he wanted, you actually saw more than was there. He would delight in pointing to a new area to see if you could pick out the new detail. . Andy Sperandeo of MR stopped by a few times in the 60s. He has strated that John influanced him greatly. He's just one of us.
The Grandts built the best detail parts for buildings and their narrow gauge cars always turn out fantasticc. Thank son Dave for that. In HO, the Grandt line has some very good prototype buildings. Very good, even for a beginner.
I have been a manufacturer as well, offering 1:20.3 gallows turntables for about 12 years, stopping when everyone else thought they wanted to do it. I build cusoms for people that know me and want things.
Anyway, I like to hear what everyone is doing. It's your railroad. I really envy guys like Gene and Sheldon with their focus on a single things. I still work a number of scales to build what I want. This spring is 1:20.3. H have a K-36 that needs exercising.
I Think there was only one G&D locomtive that survived... Everything that was in the house went up in smoke.
I know a 2-10-0 survived. Maybe something else did as well.
Gene