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Started the roof on this a couple days ago. Looks like a lumber stble.
Any suggestions, I was thinking weathered gray, with a little brown, not oxide red, but burnt orange brown under the eaves...
EK
Kyle
I forgot to ask you where you live. Is it like an older sawill or lumber yard.?
I've never seen any structures like that out here, maybe further south.
Most buildings, including houses, use Propanel metal ridge or corrugated for roofs. Garages, barns, stables and other structures also use Propanel for the side walls. Colors are solid, the most popular is mocha tan walls with either dark brown or dark green roofs.
Older sheds and barns were mostly vertical clap board wood siding, sometimes board and batten, because they are pole structures with horizontally spaced "girts". Many of these are painted barn red, white, sometimes light gray. Really old buildings where the paint is wore off will be gray, sorta like driftwood, and rusty streaks running down the sides. from nails that were not galvanized.
Don't know if this helps much
Bob
Lead paint - white and red, were common in the good old days. The red turned a brown color in the sun. Iron red oxide was a color for boxcars.
Back in the lead paint days, it seems the only colors they could produce were black, red, white and grey. Houses were white, barns were red, outhouses were grey, perhaps to "hide" them. You didn't need to see the outhouse, you could find it in pitch darkness, just follow your nose. Been there. :(
Some people tried mixing the colors in various proportions, accounting for some strange colors.
Bob
There used to be paint gypsies that went from farm to farm painting barns and whatever other buildings were in the yard but not the house. I have seen these gypsies up until about 25 years ago.
Their last paint job usually ended up in some nice warm southern state.Their reputation was always suspect . It seemed that when they left your yard something was always missing .
Don :)
Quote from: grumpy on March 15, 2008, 02:19:27 PM
There used to be paint gypsies
Don :)
NEVER Heard of 'em...
Kyle
In other words you were one. lol
Bob
WILD WEST? anytown could become deserted over night, I would say 'no paint', like yampa Bob said, the grey of unpainted pine.... google yerself some ghost towns partner...btw- A freind of mine has the paint gypsies do the aluminum coating on his barn roof every 5 years almost to the day- they do a circut, but with mostly repeat customers, they don't advertise much. They are still out there.. up a a ladder, someplace warm and sunny... come to think of it, his wife and a few tools disappeared about that time.....
Notice on bulletin boards. "Keep the wife, but please bring back my tools"
Bob
Quote from: grumpy on March 15, 2008, 02:19:27 PM
There used to be paint gypsies that went from farm to farm painting barns and whatever other buildings were in the yard but not the house. I have seen these gypsies up until about 25 years ago.
Their last paint job usually ended up in some nice warm southern state.Their reputation was always suspect . It seemed that when they left your yard something was always missing .
Don :)
There used to be some that would paint your rook for free, if they could paint "See Rock City [XX] Miles" on it
There's one of them lazy gypsies at Warhoop's Lumber and Salvage.
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I went with green.
EK
Reminds me of the Romanee chicken recipe:
First, you steal a chicken...
Kyle - what is your time frame? I ask because most of your buildings look steam/transition, yet you have modern diesel and a lot of modern cars. To me that phone number would look better as - nope - I don't think I can make a word out of ABC/MNO/ABC.
Blair Line makes some Rock City decals. The barn on the Michael's farm has one. they were NOT painted by paint gypsies, but my the guy who developed Rock City as advertizement
Gene
Quote from: SteamGene on March 23, 2008, 08:14:30 AM
The barn on the Michael's farm has one.
GOT A PIC?
EK
A few historical and technical facts:
Lead paint is a misnomer created by the PC police - Lead, when it was used in paint is just one ingredient like sugar is in cake. The paint is oil based and contained lead as a pigment binder.
Ready to use paint, which became widely available about the time of the War of Northern Agression (Civil War) has ALWAYS come in a wide aray of colors. Yes, some colors hold up better than others, but there have always been lots of colors available. The house plan books and mail order catalogs of the that time document this for us.
Which leads us to the next false notion, that most houses where painted white. In fact, starting around the 1870, only about 1/3 or less of homes in America where painted white, and those in the Architectural fashion world thought that was too many. Throughout the Victorian Era ( which included about eleven different Architectural styles from the 1870's to 1901) most homes, even modest ones, where painted in bright colors or earth tones in multi color schemes.
The big shift to white did not happen until the Depression - white was cheaper and it was thought unseemly to paint your house bright colors in such a time of dispare. An awful trend we have yet to completely reverse.
Barns are traditionaly red because it does hold up better, but you would be surprised how many where painted other colors. Here in the race horse country of the Mid Atlantic, white or green barns and stables are just as common as red.
Out west, during the westward expansion, paint was a luxury, but as towns prospered, buildings got painted - again, bright or earth tone colors as was the fashion of the day.
Sheldon
EK, the barn is sitting on a piece of syrofoam with some cardboard strips which will eventually be covered with plaster gause and get scenery. But if you want to see it, I will try.
Gene
Here's a prototype Rock City barn:
(http://www.gagop9.org/GA_RockCityBarn.jpg)
Thanks Paul,
There should be plenty of room for a similar sign on the backside of Warhoop's.
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u293/engineerkyle/FOR%20SALE/wild%20west/wh4.jpg)
EK
ps. Paint Gypsy yielded NO results in a google search. Thanks just the same.
For a bit more information on Gypsy painters, take a look at these links:
http://dao2.elpasoco.com/scam.asp?ifile=gypsies (http://dao2.elpasoco.com/scam.asp?ifile=gypsies)
http://www.vincent.wa.gov.au/agenda/whatsnew/Media/Painting%20scam%20warning.pdf (http://www.vincent.wa.gov.au/agenda/whatsnew/Media/Painting%20scam%20warning.pdf)
Turns out they are still active in multiple scams and not just in North America.
Quote from: SteamGene on March 23, 2008, 01:46:55 PM
EK, the barn is sitting on a piece of syrofoam with some cardboard strips which will eventually be covered with plaster gause and get scenery. But if you want to see it, I will try.
Gene
I'd (we'd?) like to see it. How long has it been unfinished? ;)
Regarding the era of buildings. I figure you can't go wrong making them look pre-epa, pre-osha. Buildings last a long time and a train from 1972, like mine that runs between Alpena and Wyandotte (Semi-freelanced) probably passes many transition and even turn of the century structures that are still well maintained.
my 2 cents
Of you get the Blair Line decal set for barns - and they have several - I'd suggest hitting the sign with dulcote as soon as it's dry and snug. I looked at mine and I"ll have to use another decal - the first one is cracked in two places. I'm going to try to repair it first, but if not, I'll put the second best sign over it and dulcote it.
BTW, as Paul's picture will point out, there were several different Rock City signs and done in different styles. I don't think I ever saw one west of the Mississippi or north of the Ohio. But throughout the southeast they were common. I never drove on US 11 when it was a major highway, but I imagine almost every barn along it had a sign. Same thing for US 70, probably.
Gene
Gene,
If I recall you are passionate about steam.
I also think it would be insane to dissolve a decal with dullcote... unless these "Blair Lines" use a different film than I am accustom to.
The piece never made it out west, by the way.
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u293/engineerkyle/FOR%20SALE/wild%20west/lakeeriescene.jpg
I found the discussion about house paint color very helpful. I'd alway heard Red Oxide was used because it was common AND durable.
Jim, Thanks for the research on these scams. To bad my thread has words like SCAM and Gypsies in it... as those terms do not apply to my quality of work.
Set me straight if I am just imagining this, but it seems that, since I've gone pro, I get a lot more negative remarks on the forums.... not here so much, but others that have members who may see me competition?
EK,
Since when does dulcote dissolve decals? Most folks use gloss, decal, and then dulcote at the end.
I'm not sure I'm heard any negative criticism of your work - but the creator is often more sensitive than the viewer.
I know that as a writer, I welcome any criticism of my work as long as it doesn't begin with a variation of "You are a jackass..." :D
Gene
HEEEHAWW......lol
Gene's right Kyle.....dullcoat and decals do indeed mix. I dullcoat everything with Model Master's Flat Clear Laquer.
I know some people will say you can't possibly shoot laquer over acrylics or enamels, but this laquer is cool enough that you can. Just take it lightly......don't soak the decal....just a couple light mist coats.
It also works great after weathering powders to lock everything in place and give an even sheen to the overall appearance. Wish I had a pic or two....but I'm in the middle of packing and I'm lucky to still have a 'puter online.
Sid
EK,
You have an address? I'll contact Cousin Luigi in Perth Amboy, New Jersey. He's retired now, but from time to time he'll build a fish feeder as a personal favor. :D
Gene
Kyle
I am 69 now and blissfully retired. Throughout my life I have served in many professional capacities. To be successful you have to grow a "thick skin". I am also a very sensitive person, so sometimes the soft spots rise to the surface.
As Gene has said, there is criticism, and there is criticism. But there is also jealousy. That's the one you have to deal with the most. It is true that when your competition cannot bring their product or services up to your level, their only recourse is to cut yours down.
I am above all a perfectionist. My mother, who was also a teacher, taught me to either do a job perfect, at least to the very best of my ability, or not at all. You are the only critic you have to worry about. If you are 110% satisfied with your quality, then you don't have to worry about competition.
I am proud to say that Mr. Vince Lombardi taught me personally that the only competition is the one I carry within myself. He also said "perfection is not attainable, but if you chase perfection you will catch excellence".
You have your dream, just set your path and stay on it, and you'll do fine.
Bob
Quote from: Yampa Bob on March 15, 2008, 01:32:06 PM
Back in the lead paint days, it seems the only colors they could produce were black, red, white and grey. Houses were white, barns were red, outhouses were grey, perhaps to "hide" them. You didn't need to see the outhouse, you could find it in pitch darkness, just follow your nose. Been there. :(
Some people tried mixing the colors in various proportions, accounting for some strange colors.
Bob
Bob, just had to comment. I don't know about out West but in the East, the reason the Outhouses were gray, was because we whitewashed them once in the Spring. That color lasted just a couple of weeks and grandad considered the siding "protected". Didn't take the sun long to bleach it out. I was considered part of the "upper crust". We had a two seater! lol Stephen