I've started this new topic for the disscusion of new locomotive Ideas for HO scale. Personally I'm a BIG fan of steam and Bachmann does have an impressive fleet already. But what will be their nex loco?
Dear, Mr. Bach-Mann,
To start this disscusion off, I'd like to say I'm quite fond of your HO steam fleet. Although, in your Spectum line there are no engines from Pre-1900. Your standard 4-4-0, for example the Jupiter, are very nice locomotives. But I feel they lack the quality of Spectrum locomotives. Acctually that is quite obvious. Now your Baldwin 4-6-0 is an extremly nice model. Although I do like early 20th Century railroading I prefer to model the mid to late 1800's.
The suggestion I have is for a 4-6-0, but this one is pre-1900. It is my beliefe that a Spectrum model of the Rogers 1890 4-6-0 would be a popular choice. Although it would be older it would still find use in early to mid 20th Century Railroads.
The engine was made famous by the movie "Back to the Future III", that way it is claer as to what locomotive I'm speaking of.
Please reply back. *Smiles*
Gunslinger87.
I like that idea but its not for me. I would suggest a different direction. Fairbanks-Morse H20-44s haven't been done yet in plastic. I would like to see Bachmann produce them in Pittsburgh and West Virginia and Akron, Canton and Youngstown. Fairbanks-Morse sold a hand full of this model to some big roads too. I would also buy Spectrum F-M H16-44s in P&WV.
Wade
Well here we go,
I know that this has been discussed more than once, but how about an E-44 rectifier unit. It was owned by more than just the Penn.
PRR/PC/Conrail/Amtrak and New Jersey Transit. The demand for this model is ageneral topic of discussion anytime it is brought up here in the Northeast. Mr. Bachmann, you do such a nice job representing electric motors, consider the last of the great electrics as a future project!
Thank You,
CdrDick
Quote from: Gunslinger87 on March 24, 2008, 12:36:43 AM
To start this disscusion off, I'd like to say I'm quite fond of your HO steam fleet. Although, in your Spectum line there are no engines from Pre-1900. Your standard 4-4-0, for example the Jupiter, are very nice locomotives. But I feel they lack the quality of Spectrum locomotives. Acctually that is quite obvious. Now your Baldwin 4-6-0 is an extremly nice model. Although I do like early 20th Century railroading I prefer to model the mid to late 1800's.
The suggestion I have is for a 4-6-0, but this one is pre-1900. It is my beliefe that a Spectrum model of the Rogers 1890 4-6-0 would be a popular choice. Although it would be older it would still find use in early to mid 20th Century Railroads.
The engine was made famous by the movie "Back to the Future III", that way it is claer as to what locomotive I'm speaking of.
Please reply back. *Smiles*
Gunslinger87.
I would second Gunslinger's suggestion for a Spectrum "Jupiter" and "No. 119." Also the Rogers 4-6-0.
I guess we date ourselves by whether our reference to the Rogers 4-6-0/ Sierra #3 is
Back to the Future or
High Noon, Petticoat Junction, and
The Iron Horse. ;D
I was sort of taken by that remark about "being made famous..." comment. :D
I believe the black and white movie where Sierra#3 pulled the train into the depot at noon was the academy award winner, winner, winner, etc. BTW, do note - the sheriff wore the black hat and the killer wore the white. ???
Gene
Gunslinger
I'm behind you 100%. We need more locos for the pre-1900, in DC compatible DCC. Glad I'm not the ony one wanting these things, that makes 2 of us LOL. Forget the diesels, too many of them already. (that should get some comments)
I have the 119 and Jupiter and I agree they are not Spectrum quality. I call my 119 "Wild Thang", it goes like a bat and flies off the track. The pilot truck is so sloppy it has a mind of its own.
What I'm asking for is a true HO scale version of the narrow gauge used in early Colorado, it's not gonna happen because it would look weird.
Bob
Quote from: SteamGene on March 24, 2008, 01:01:19 PM
I was sort of taken by that remark about "being made famous..." comment. :D
I believe the black and white movie where Sierra#3 pulled the train into the depot at noon was the academy award winner, winner, winner, etc. BTW, do note - the sheriff wore the black hat and the killer wore the white. ???
Gene
I think that's called "realism." ;D
Depends on your age. Hopalong Cassidy was my favorite, ah those were the days. I met Roy Rogers, Gene Autrey and Smiley Burnett, got to ride "Ringeye". Local theatre used to bring them in for promotion. I loved the trains used in their movies.
Bob
Railtown 1897 has a collection of posters and photos of every film #3 or the Seirra was rented out for. Including a Marx Brother's- 'way out west'? it has come to my attention no one mentioned the late Arnold Ziffel? He appeared on the Hooterville Cannonball several times in his film career.... listening to you guys, the Bachmann would have to retain Arnold's nieghbor, attorney Mr. Oliver Wendal Douglas, due to the fact Mantua Classics still sells the Seirra #3 as a limited production from time to time... yeah... a spectrum quality Jupiter & 119 would be very nice. Yampa, in a way, the roundhouse 2-8-0 is suppose to be one of those 3 foot to standard guage or back to 3 foot one size fit all Rio Grande boilers. The new production of those are 20 times better than the ol' red box kits..
Southern 4-6-2 Ps-4.... !! please with the 14k tender and elesco FWH
Tony,
I think Mr. Haney would find something stating that Mr. Oliver Wendal Douglas was not licensed to practice law in Hooterville, but for a modest sum that could be arranged.
Gene
A **SMALL** 2-8-0 resembling an SR K-class consolidation.
A nice 4-6-2 Ps4 as mentioned above would be great as well.
Matt
Well, I'm still in favorof the Rogers. Although I was not aware that Mantua was still producing it. Even if on ocasion.
Going back to the 4-4-0s, I think that Spectrum versions would be popular. And could possibly boost their 4-4-0 sales. This is all a matter of opinion though. I also feel that in terms of scale the standard Bachmann 4-4-0 is rather small. Their closer to the size of the "A.G. Dewey", #1 of the Woodstock Rwy. in Vermont.
One reason why I whish to see more pre 1900 model trains is because I feel that there is a significant lack of both engines and rolling stock. And I know that modelers who choose that era can understand how difficult it can be to accomplish this. And for those who insist on this are, Brass is the only way to go. And many, like me, we cant afford buying brass without getting a loan!
So, if Bachmann were to produce more 19th Century Locomotives and Rolling Stock, it would be for the benefit of all modelers. I know that many RR's used equipment built in the 19th Century well into the 20's.
Saddest episode was when Arnold fell in love with a dog, but their love just wasn't meant to be. A real tail jerker, he even taught the dog to oink. But he at least inherited enough to buy the Hooterville Cannonball.
Bob
Here are my suggestions:
Steam:
ATSF Blue Goose Locomotive
Milwaukee Road Hiawatha Atlantic Locomotives
Southern PS4
I would like to see some small/medium steam along the lines of a PRR E6 4-4-0 and PRR G5s 4-6-0, these engines would go great with heavyweight passenger cars on period layouts say into the 1940's and for you 2-8-0 fans a PRR H9/H10 is needed for the freight service. Just like ATSF SP and UP the PRR is a large portion of the market.
I would like to see more steam that could fit on the average users layout. There are too many articulated and FEFs out there that are limited to the larger layouts.
Quote from: Gunslinger87 on March 24, 2008, 09:12:27 PM
Well, I'm still in favorof the Rogers. Although I was not aware that Mantua was still producing it. Even if on ocasion.
I don't believe the engine is in production right now. Of course, Mantua model trains,
per se, no longer exists, but Model Power is producing its "Mantua Classics" line. Perhaps they will issue a retooled Rogers some day; I understand they are supposed to issue a retooled "General" at some point. The Rogers still regularly appears on eBay, even, occasionally, the late-model can-motor version, which is an excellent runner.
Quote from: Clear Block on March 25, 2008, 07:50:25 AM
I would like to see some small/medium steam along the lines of a PRR E6 4-4-0 and PRR G5s 4-6-0.
Clear Block, I'm sure that's just a typo, above; the E-6 was a 4-4-2. Still, the E-6 and the G-5 are excellent recommendations, and speaking of 4-4-0s, since Bachmann now has the mechanism for a "modern" 4-4-0 "as built" and "as modernized," how about as as-built and modernized PRR D16?
Quote from: Yampa Bob on March 24, 2008, 02:47:29 PM
Depends on your age. Hopalong Cassidy was my favorite, ah those were the days. I met Roy Rogers, Gene Autrey and Smiley Burnett, got to ride "Ringeye". Local theatre used to bring them in for promotion. I loved the trains used in their movies.
Bob
Bob, I'm sure you remember, Smiley Burnett was also Charlie Pratt, engineer of the Hooterville Cannonball. :D
I'd like to see a 2-4-4-2 logging Mallet.
http://loggingmallets.railfan.net/list/lr126/wing-deepriver7.jpg (http://loggingmallets.railfan.net/list/lr126/wing-deepriver7.jpg)
Sid
Quote from: WoundedBear on March 25, 2008, 12:56:37 PM
I'd like to see a 2-4-4-2 logging Mallet.
http://loggingmallets.railfan.net/list/lr126/wing-deepriver7.jpg (http://loggingmallets.railfan.net/list/lr126/wing-deepriver7.jpg)
Sid
I would second this request. Fine running mates for the Climax and Shay engines.
Note how fast the recent Mantua Classic 2-6-6-2's sold out, orders now being taken for the next production run.
Jeff
He sure looked different with white hair, and without the squished hat. I mispelled his name, has an "e" on the end.
Bob
Dear Bob,
I was a big fan of Smiley Burnette, too, and his sidekick who always burned the wood cross ties!
My Old Man used to call me Smiley! My wife calls me something else! ::)
From, WoundedBear.
"I'd like to see a 2-4-4-2 logging Mallet."
That would be a great addition to Bachmann's Fleet but didn't logging roads use 4-4-0s, 2-6-0s, and even 2-4-0s as well!
Oooh, a 19th Century 2-6-0 would make a very nice model!
Also, I knew that Model Power was Re-tooling the Mantua models. I also have one of the Tycoo 4-6-0s as well. And from personal experiance, have found both makes to be very similar. So if Bachmann were to produce a Spectrum model of it, its garentied to be of higher quality, not to mention that most likely it would ave complete cab interior.
The Roger 4-6-0 #3 of the Sierra Railroad would be a great model, but we need a SCALE version. Arbour models did it in scale but it was a difficult pewter kit to assemble and get to run correctly.
The Mantua model is about 15% too large. But lets also ask for some period rolling stock that's also prototypical to go with the 4-6-0 and the Ma And Pa locomotives. #3 isn't a large engine by any stretch but historical as it has appeared in almost as many movies as V&T #11, which by itself would be a nice scal Spectrum replacement for the dinky 4-4-0s noww offered.
Agreed! I have noticed that the Mantua 4-6-0 in a bit large. And Bachmann's 4-4-0s are a bit small. So I think that if Bachmann made Spectrum models of their "Old 4-4-0s" that they would be Fantastic models.
It was a typo I was thinking about the the D16sb correct.
the E6-4-4-2 would also be a good model.
But on a side note I must also add that Bachmann could make a killing with doing some motors,
DD1 electric
or MP54s
or the EL emu's
Another good pre 1900 loco would be I.C.R.R.'s #201, a Standard Gauge 2-4-4 Forney! An extremely atractive locomotive if I do say so my self. It would be right at home on any Shortline, Commuter, or small RR/Layout.
I would like to suggest maybe you could come out with a few British Columbia Forest company,s roadnames. I would like to mention that of the total production of Pacific Coast Shays 24, built by Lima, 17 operated in British Columbia . thanks
I don't care what my wife calls me as long as she calls me for dinner.
Bob
Gunslinger,
I would like to purchase BOTH of the OLD 4-4-0's like in the "Golden Spike" celebration. I have looked at the ones that Bachmann did. They just look too "Toy Like".... A Spectrum quality set of these 2 would be great!!
Of course while we are at it....
How about a GN P-2 Class 4-8-2 Heavy Mountain? No one has done this in plastic.... I NEED 4 to pull my 1920's Empire Builder Passenger trains. I already have all the rolling stock, MINUS the Engines.... :'(
hotrainlover
Something I have not seen modeled yet is an ALCO/GE/IR 60 ton boxcab diesel. I don't think that I could possibly do one myself.
here's a pic
http://s195.photobucket.com/albums/z250/kevin2083/12-1-07/?action=view¤t=IMG_3296.jpg (http://s195.photobucket.com/albums/z250/kevin2083/12-1-07/?action=view¤t=IMG_3296.jpg)
and 1 more
http://s195.photobucket.com/albums/z250/kevin2083/12-1-07/?action=view¤t=IMG_3304.jpg (http://s195.photobucket.com/albums/z250/kevin2083/12-1-07/?action=view¤t=IMG_3304.jpg)
This is the white spot above the rear truck
http://s195.photobucket.com/albums/z250/kevin2083/12-1-07/?action=view¤t=IMG_3305.jpg (http://s195.photobucket.com/albums/z250/kevin2083/12-1-07/?action=view¤t=IMG_3305.jpg)
That 2-4-4-2 looks pretty nice too.
Kevin
Years ago I ran an AHM "Casey Jones" 4-6-0 which finally began to run pretty good after a few hundred miles on it. Its a late 19th/early 20th century loco that could be used in freight or passenger. Its just the right size for most home layouts. Rick Martin
As modeler's we sometimes think the factories aren't listening to us. I don't know what influences them the most.
Getting any kind of action is usually accomplished by "Petition", with everyone on that petition wanting the exact same or similar thing. Otherwise it just becomes a "suggestion box", I normally don't reply unless I am also interested in the item in question.
I am a big fan of Bachmann locos, but they don't expect, nor can they afford, to make every single type of loco for a thousand different preferences. They also realize that other manufacturers sell items to fill the voids. If I want an item that Bachmann doesn't make I am free to look for other sources. Bachmann doesn't expect me to do without something I want just because they don't make it.
I started in model railroading a year ago, and I am totally blown away at the variety available. I have often wondered how the manufacturers research to see what new product needs to be produced.
I want one of these
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Motor
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=82621&nseq=3
The only ones I have seen are Brass ones on ebay. I bet you bachmann could make them.
I do remember GG or Guliford Guy wanting an EF3
I want one too!
http://www.nhrhta.org/images/photo4.jpg
And this one:
http://www.ozsteam.com/assets/images/alt_top_front_640.jpg
But in Bachmann
BACHMANN, PLEASE MANUFACTURE ALL OF FAVORITE LOCOS.!
I'm a bit more fond of the EP3's...
(http://sbiii.com/boxpix/00013724.jpg)
I started a thread requesting a nice B&M B-15 2-6-0 mogul. This model would be a perfect fit in the great Spectrum fleet. Especially way up here in "mogul country". This seems to be a wheel arraingement that I find lacking in the HO scale...The Athearn / Roundhouse is just not up to snuff.
Quote from: sparkyjay31 on May 01, 2008, 01:45:35 PM
I started a thread requesting a nice B&M B-15 2-6-0 mogul. This model would be a perfect fit in the great Spectrum fleet. Especially way up here in "mogul country". This seems to be a wheel arraingement that I find lacking in the HO scale...The Athearn / Roundhouse is just not up to snuff.
It would be an ideal locomotive. Lionel got away with one very similar, with other roads including CN, Wabash, and NYC. I'm sure Bachmann could profit from it, and Mr B has the real thing not far from NYC in Danbury CT, not to mention I have a reproduction of the blueprints. A B15-b could be a real winner. Also, if it hasn't been apparent, there is a rising number of Boston & Maine Modelers...
I rising in B&M modelers, intreseting, who told you?
In the past few years of Great Model Railways, there has been an O scale B&M Layout, an HO scale B&M layout, and the Hoosac Valley, which runs B&M equipment at times. I don't think its a bias due to Lou Sassi, and Paul Dolkos.
Clear Block hits the nail on the head with his suggestion of PRR H series Consis, since the Pennsy had several versions that could be built on the same drive, many Pennsy modelers (myself included) would buy several of these. About 10 years ago Sunset Models did this in brass and included alternative detail parts in order to allow the modeler to model specific prototypes (like the Spectrum Baldwin 10 wheeler). I have one of these but I sure can't afford $500+- each for a whole fleet.
Also a streamlined version of the PRR K4 Pacific, this would seem like a no brainer since the mechanism already exists, and would only need a new shell.
Who else wants bachmann to model Metra-
I!
But I really want an IC EMD E9 from Bachmann.
How about a Southern Ps-4 4-6-2. I am building a live steam one in 1.6 inch scale 7.5 inch gauge and need a HO one to compliment it.....
- Andrew
I'd like to see Bachmann make a model of the Earlier E units.
A small Heisler ( 45 ton or under) please.
Peter Smith, Memphis
Quote from: polekat on March 26, 2008, 11:54:25 PM
I would like to suggest maybe you could come out with a few British Columbia Forest company,s roadnames. I would like to mention that of the total production of Pacific Coast Shays 24, built by Lima, 17 operated in British Columbia . thanks
I think that there were quite a few shays used on the Pacific Coast
http://www.gearedsteam.com/shay/shay.htm
http://www.shaylocomotives.com/index.html
Note you can check by owners name on this site
http://www.shaylocomotives.com/data/owner/OwnerSearchFrame.htm
Check Bloedel and Canadian Forest Products and Victoria Lumber. Even Canadian Pacific Railway had a few.
As there is a 3 truck shay available perhaps a two truck shay could also be released by Bachmann.
Please, no more models of anything MTH is doing...
The GS4 has been overdone, as have the K4 and the Big boy....
I'd be a fan for anything T&P-ish:
(http://www.texaspacificrailway.org/image.cfm?img=3db16dd4435ef.png)
(http://www.texaspacificrailway.org/image.cfm?img=3db16ce9e6f1a.png)
(http://www.texaspacificrailway.org/image.cfm?img=3db16ce92fd6f.png)
And of course, no T&P wish list would be complete without a 2-10-4...
(http://www.texaspacificrailway.org/image.cfm?img=3db16dd6e20fe.png)
They could make it in Freedom Train paint!
Bachmann already has a 4-8-2 chassis, so with not much work they could and I think, should, make all those nice L2 series of engines NYC had. You seldom see even the brass of the L2 engines, mostly L3 and L4. Now someone has the brass L2 series coming for over $1200 each and you can't find anyone who hasn't already sold their entire allotment in advance. Geez, it seems like a natural to do sunken feedwater heaters, feedwater heaters hanging on the smokebox front, different piping sets to make variations of the thing. I just don't see how at least the L2d wouldn't sell well since it's got the higher drivers and the nice front end of a Hudson.
Maybe I overestimate the number of NYC fans there are, but I do know that the NYC brass usually sells out in a hurry just like the BLI Hudson keeps on selling right along. I also think that the NYC and PRR 2-8-2 types would have steady sales over time, but since I haven't seen the 2-8-2 types they already make I don't know how much could be easily incorporated into a US type of Mike.
Regards
Rash;
That "Hudson" by BLI is an excellent starting place for the whole series of NYC "J" series engines, the Milwaulkee "Baltic", the Boston and Albany Hudson, etc. On that premise there would be a lot of interested people for the possibilities to renovate, redesign, etc.
The Old Reprobate
I think you see the L-3 and L-4 Mohawk models because they were dual service engines so you can use them on the head end of a passenger train. I think the earlier L-2s were freight only. A friend had a Tenshodo Mohawk and it was a really nice model for its day.
USRA Pacific and/or USRA 2-8-2
Unfortunately, my request for the 4-6-2 will be too late as Athearn (Roundhouse) will be releasing the updated old Genesis 4-6-2 soon.
If the drivetrain has been updated as indicated on the site then I think this engine will be a big seller.
Both of the old Genesis 2-8-2 and 4-6-2 engines were extremely good looking engines.
If Athearn is re-releasing the 4-6-2 do you not think the 2-8-2 is not far behind?
I will most likely purchase a few of these if they are decent running locomotives.
I agree with Peter Smith, a small Heisler would be nice.
I see a lot of MTH bashing. Remember back in 2005, MTH defied Union Pacific's demand for royalties and ended up in a lawsuit, while other companies stood by doing nothing. An agreement was reached, and UP discontinued the royalty requirement for all companies. Such royalties would have had a huge affect on prices.
I don't have any MTH, but I certainly wouldn't discourage them, or any other manufacturer, from making something simply because I don't like it.
PN...I have several Roundhouse vintage locos, they are very smooth and quiet. They do have traction tires and blind center drivers, but the power and traction is very impressive. I hooked up a string of Overlands and it pulled with no effort at all.
I am quite pleased with them.
I'd still like to have a little 36 Ton Two Truck Heisler:
(http://www.trainweb.org/jlsrr/pictures/full-scale/roaring-camp/full-pictures/heisler-quartering-web.jpg)
(http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/wlc3.jpg)
Look at it this way, I'm guessing it takes 100,000 requests for a new item to become a reality. If you can find 99,999 others that want it the factories might consider it. (in 2 or 3 years) :D
The Athearn 4-6-2 should be hitting the shelves soon as I see the dealers listing them.
Quote from: Yampa Bob on June 14, 2008, 11:50:47 AM
Look at it this way, I'm guessing it takes 100,000 requests for a new item to become a reality. If you can find 99,999 others that want it the factories might consider it. (in 2 or 3 years) :D
The Athearn 4-6-2 should be hitting the shelves soon as I see the dealers listing them.
If the 4-6-2's do well then I would expect Athearn to re-release the 2-8-2's later.
A USATC 2-8-0, as supplied to Europe.
Model could be put in Lilliput and Branchline ranges, and China.
Quote from: Steam Freak on June 14, 2008, 03:56:32 AM
I'd still like to have a little 36 Ton Two Truck Heisler:
(http://www.trainweb.org/jlsrr/pictures/full-scale/roaring-camp/full-pictures/heisler-quartering-web.jpg)
(http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/wlc3.jpg)
Me too.
Quote from: Yampa Bob on June 14, 2008, 11:50:47 AM
Look at it this way, I'm guessing it takes 100,000 requests for a new item to become a reality. If you can find 99,999 others that want it the factories might consider it. (in 2 or 3 years) :D
That makes two of us, we only need 99,998 more. ;D
The 36 Ton Two Truck Heisler would be sweet. That would be my first choice. My second choice would be a switcher like SP1238 with the oiler tender.
My only experience with Athearn locos is the new 2-8-0 and 2-6-0, which are pretty small. Apparently the 4-6-2 will be the same "vintage" smaller style.
Was the original Classic 2-8-2 larger? That would be getting into the K class, which should be considerably larger.
The one locomotive I don't have to fill out my Colorado Railroad History theme is a Mikado, the type used by Rio Grande, and still in use by Durango and Silverton railroad. I tried an MRC version, but did not work out well on my 18" due to the long distance from the driver to the drawbar pivot. Rather than modify it, I returned it for refund.
Quote from: Yampa Bob on June 15, 2008, 02:03:09 AM
My only experience with Athearn locos is the new 2-8-0 and 2-6-0, which are pretty small. Apparently the 4-6-2 will be the same "vintage" smaller style.
Was the original Classic 2-8-2 larger? That would be getting into the K class, which should be considerably larger.
The one locomotive I don't have to fill out my Colorado Railroad History theme is a Mikado, the type used by Rio Grande, and still in use by Durango and Silverton railroad. I tried an MRC version, but did not work out well on my 18" due to the long distance from the driver to the drawbar pivot. Rather than modify it, I returned it for refund.
The news release on the Roundhouse site under the "recent additions" indicates that the 4-6-2 to be released is the Genesis 4-6-2 model version which has an updated mechanism.
http://www.roundhousetrains.com/Articles/HobbyWire.aspx
Will have to wait and see. I for one would wait untill there was plenty of opinions as to the quality of this release.
There is a small picture on the site, looks like the URSA model.
Bob,
The Athearn/MDC 4-6-2 and 2-8-2 are both models of the USRA light versions of these wheel arrangements. The original models looked very nice, but had a bad reputation for splitting gears and not pulling much. It is unfortunate that, knowing they produced what is commonly considered a dog, they will not do exchanges like Bachmann will.
In any event, they look nothing like the old MDC 2-8-0 and 2-6-0 which are models of Harriman locomotives. Nor do they look like the D&RGW and family K series Mikes.
Pray for a Harriman series. <g>
Gene
Well, my question isn't being addressed. I have the new Roundhouse in both 2-6-0 and 2-8-0 versions, they are very small compared to my 2-8-0 Connies, I guess because they represent earlier 1880-1900 models. Apparently the 4-6-2 will also be the diminutive size. All these are about the same size as my Bachmann American 4-4-0 so I assume they are all to scale for the era and model.
Since the 2-8-2 Mikado didn't appear until 1920 or so, it would not be these smaller sizes, am I correct? The only Mikados I have seen are the same size as my Connies, just longer with the trailing truck.
I'm not a rivet counter about details, but I would hope all my locos are the appropriate size for the model, not just toy versions or a different scale.
So, my specific question is, if Roundhouse does produce a 2-8-2, will it be a small non-scale size or the larger K as used by Durango and Silverton?
In the search for a 4-6-2 try IHC. I purchased one a couple of years ago and it is a nice loco.The tender is empty so lots of room for DCC .
Don
Bob,
The USRA light Mike and Pacific began to appear about 1918. They were larger than the Harriman 2-8-0 and 2-6-0. The Mike and Pacific wheel arrangements date back to before 1910, actually. The "new" MDC USRA lights are improved versions of the Athearn Genesis of earlier misfortune.
Gene
id love to see a b&o streamlined 4-6-2 made as well as other streamlined steam, the k-4, the lehigh valley john wilkes, norfolk and western k 4-8-2,the blue goose 4-8-4 from at&sf,c&nw e-4 4-6-4,milwaukee streamlined steam,southern railroad PS-4 4-6-2,the reading crusader 4-6-2. all these are only availible in brass and some as the b&o are almost impossible to find and would love to see made in a well made model. most b&o steam is not made with the b+o emblem which i'd like to see made right such as the em-1, and the t-4
What about a Triplex?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9c/28884.jpg)
(http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO/triplex/mattshay.jpg)
Josh
I also suggest a good mogul to go with the 4-4-0 and 4-6-0. Like this from Fallen flags
(http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/bm/bm-s1440afm.jpg)
Santa Fe,
Other than the fact that the Erie Triplex was just put out by Mike Wolf, the design was a real Edsel and none of the few built (three?) lasted very long. IIRC, the Virginian made two Mikados out of their Triplex.
Gene
Once more, some Harriman Standard steam would be wonderful. Its smaller, perfect for more small layouts, and it was a standard for many roads if I'm not mistaken.
I would like to see some old steam to go with the 4-4-0's how about 2-4-4 forney or 2-4-0 with a short tender like the Earnest S. Marsh at Disneyland. Both engines would look good pulling bachmanns new excursion cars that i own.
I'll get in trouble for this one but I'd really like to see an EM-1 (B&O 2-8-8-4) or a DM&IR M3 or M4 (also a 2-8-8-4).
The 2-8-8-4 has to be the last major wheel arrangement that hasn't been done in some kind of high volume production run
dlm
I to want to see some nice pre 1900 steam engines. Lets see a new Casey Jones ten wheeler, that is one classic looking Rodgers built machine, you can do both the 384 and 382, 384 was Casey's assigned engine, and 382 was engineer Sam Tate's machine that Casey wrecked. A redo of the Jupiter and 119 is way way over due. They need to have the drive motor in the engine and not, repeat, not in the tender. A nice freight 2-8-0 would also be nice, all need to have spectrum detailing and drive trains. Caseys 638 2-8-0 that was featured at the worlds fair and then based out of water valley on the IC would be a nice size consolidation to produce. I would put my name down for 1 of everything tonight! The detail on the old AHM/Rivarossi was fine, just needs RP25 flanges and a better motor/gear ratio. Mike
Quote from: jdmike on January 20, 2009, 08:23:46 PM
I to want to see some nice pre 1900 steam engines. Lets see a new Casey Jones ten wheeler, that is one classic looking Rodgers built machine, you can do both the 384 and 382, 384 was Casey's assigned engine, and 382 was engineer Sam Tate's machine that Casey wrecked. A redo of the Jupiter and 119 is way way over due. They need to have the drive motor in the engine and not, repeat, not in the tender. A nice freight 2-8-0 would also be nice, all need to have spectrum detailing and drive trains. Caseys 638 2-8-0 that was featured at the worlds fair and then based out of water valley on the IC would be a nice size consolidation to produce. I would put my name down for 1 of everything tonight! The detail on the old AHM/Rivarossi was fine, just needs RP25 flanges and a better motor/gear ratio. Mike
Bachman has two versions of the 10 wheeler in their Spectrum line, the high (63" drivers) and low boiler (52" drivers).
I would not expect another 10 wheeler anytime soon.
I would really like to see a Rio Grande 4-8-2. This would be easy to make since it is basicly just the already produced heavy mountain. It is a lot cheaper to make a new roadname than a new locomotive. (http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn119/RyanMarrs/drgw_1505_unknown_unknown_000.jpg)
I would also really like to see a Katy 4-6-2. I would have to agree with the writter of The Georgin Locomotive that these have to be one of the best looking locomotives ever made. (http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn119/RyanMarrs/MKT396.jpg)
we need SMALL steam. That 2-6-0 looks fitting. I hope the spectrum 0-6-0 is put back in production, and I'm still wanting a nice looking/running 0-4-0. Also wanting a 2-truck Shay.
I can dream........
Steam
How about the Mikado/McArthur?
One that does not cost $400+.
Diesel
Why not the classic that many got in their very first set,way back when,well for me it was anyways. Yes I'm talking about:
The F.M. C-Liner!
In ATSF Warbonnet colors of course, and any other roadnames.
not to many out there.
Umm... Southern Railroad Ps-4 4-6-2.... I've made the case for that one many a time! Preferably the baker valve gear, elesco FWH, long tender version.?
Quote from: jbsmith on January 22, 2009, 08:27:32 PM
Steam
How about the Mikado/McArthur?
One that does not cost $400+.
Diesel
Why not the classic that many got in their very first set,way back when,well for me it was anyways. Yes I'm talking about:
The F.M. C-Liner!
In ATSF Warbonnet colors of course, and any other roadnames.
not to many out there.
Proto 1000 from Walthers makes one. Trainworld has a verry good price on it too.
Steam: 2-8-2 USRA light DCC ONBOARD
4-6-2 USRA light DCC ONBOARD
Diesel: F7 DCC ONBOARD
GP7 non Dynamic brake DCC ONBOARD
I would love to see the diesels in the original Clinchfield scheme but would acept undecorated
What about early EMD E-units? They looked pretty sleek. That might be a good seller.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2a/ATSF_E1.jpg/250px-ATSF_E1.jpg)
This is a EMD E1, purchased by the ATSF.
Here is a picture of a pair of A-B configured units pulling a famous Santa Fe passenger train. (Perhaps the "Super Chief"?)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/00/ATSF_E1_2.jpg)
Those are EMD E1s as well.
Note the larger nose logo.
SOURCES:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMD_E1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ATSF_E1_2.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ATSF_E1.jpg
Josh
I'm alittle shocked no one brought up the GG-1 that would look nice in Bachmann's fleet, or maybe bring out more paint jobs for the PCC Trolleys. As for Diesels maybe an RS2. As for Steam yes i would love to see Bachmann put out a BigBoy.
I'm a little shocked no one brought up the GG-1. I don't know where you have been, but the GG-! has been on the market for 70 years. The first company I know of that made the GG-1 was Varney. There has been 3 or 4 companies that have made them since. I don't know how many bigboys or RS2s we need. Now something that has not been made is a 4-6-4T, or the double ended baldwin passenger locomotive, or a lima unit. Not many were made but no one makes them. I still vote for a santa fe 2-6-2.
Why make an Diesel only owned by ATSF?
I'm still pushing for a small six coupled steamer...
GG1's are being made by BLI, IHC, and MTH, so sales would lower than another model, especially with the current economic state, doing a poor selling tooling is probably not a good idea.
what i meant by shocked is that no one brought up here as a suggestion. I know they been on the market for ever i own three IHC GG-1s.
I first commented in this thread almost a year ago. Today I'm glad to say I have almost every type of loco my roster requires. Vintage and early steam, transition and modern. Of course, being able to choose from 6 fallen flags and 20 reporting marks made it a lot easier. I have two SD70 MAC on pre-order, I've been hoping for their release since the prototype first pulled into our local yard.
I had to stretch a Connie 2-8-0 into a Mikado. Not totally authenic, but then it complies with good old Rule Number One. My current project is a 0-8-0T conversion, possibly two, for my yards. Sometimes we just have to improvise.
One major manufacturer now has over 500 models of transition and modern diesels, either in stock or on the way throughout the year. Offering a model in multiple road numbers is a real boost to sales.
Guiford Guy. Look at how many locomotive are made which only one rr had. U.P. Big Boy, NW Js, NYC 4-6-4s all the Penn RR locomotive, Sp daylight, Santa Fe 4-8-4s, and I am sure that they have more.
Those are all steam...
I think if Bachmann were to do an E unit, it would not be an E unit only appropriate for one or two railroads.
Still pushing for small steam... Of course the economy is so bad that new toolings are risky...
SMALL STEAM!
I thought this was for "fun"? ;) I just thought of it because I haven't seen a single early "Super Chief" E1 in HO scale at all. We already know it's not wise to introduce new tooling in this economy, but this is just for fun. To brainstorm locomotives that would be pretty cool.
I had no idea just how "radical" my ideas were! :D
Josh
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SMALL STEAM. we have enough big mainline steam, but not very many people have big enough layouts to run them on. I still want my 0-4-0 (t?). As for diesels, I could go for an early boxcab. I'm done now.
What constitutes small steam?
I do agree, we need a modern, generic 2-6-0. A spectrum USRA 0-6-0.
BUT bachmann has made plenty of small steam. Hell, even their articulated was a small design.
I say medium steam. We have the USRA Mikes covered through many companies.
We need Pacifics, URSA Light Mountains (Did Bachmann make a light mountain? I find no evidence of one in HO anywhere).
I hate to say it, and I'll probably have to wait until MTH does it, but I want a 4-12-2 in plastic. I don't care if it can't round anything less than a 30" curve but I want it done!
Wishful thinking I guess.
Quote from: Michael J. Caboose on February 01, 2009, 02:04:08 AM
What constitutes small steam?
I do agree, we need a modern, generic 2-6-0. A spectrum USRA 0-6-0.
BUT bachmann has made plenty of small steam. Hell, even their articulated was a small design.
I say medium steam. We have the USRA Mikes covered through many companies.
We need Pacifics, URSA Light Mountains (Did Bachmann make a light mountain? I find no evidence of one in HO anywhere).
I hate to say it, and I'll probably have to wait until MTH does it, but I want a 4-12-2 in plastic. I don't care if it can't round anything less than a 30" curve but I want it done!
Wishful thinking I guess.
Checkout the Trainworld ad in Model Railroader, you will see the Bachmann Light Mountain advertised every month or of course if you checked out e-Bay as well.
I have a couple of these and they run quite, pull well and have good slow speed control.
You know that is the only evidence I've ever seen of an HO Light mountain. I wish I could find one, cause Trainworld never has them. Trainworld rarely has anything in stock it seems.
Quote from: Michael J. Caboose on February 01, 2009, 04:51:19 PM
You know that is the only evidence I've ever seen of an HO Light mountain. I wish I could find one, cause Trainworld never has them. Trainworld rarely has anything in stock it seems.
http://cgi.ebay.ca/SPECTRUM-HO-USRA-LIGHT-4-8-2-MOUNTAIN-LOCOMOTIVE-SP-MIB_W0QQitemZ310119768178QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains?hash=item310119768178&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
http://cgi.ebay.ca/HO-BACHMANN-SPECTRUM-MP-4-8-2-LIGHT-MOUNTAIN-5305_W0QQitemZ380100654832QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains?hash=item380100654832&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
I have the most fun with my diminutive Roundhouse 2-6-0 Southern Pacific. Whisper quiet, smooth running and pulls 15 cars with ease. Super bright light front and rear. I like to run it in the dark, it's a blast.
These are a bit hard to find separately, mostly sold now as a set with 4 Overland cars, EZ track and Athearn controller. Installing a DH123 was a snap, the decoder fits underneath the circuit board instead of on top.
For small steam I rate it a 10++.
How about something different, like a 5-7-3 or a 3-9-9-3?
Yoy will have to develop a new type of track for that arrangement.
My vote is for light steam. Four or six coupled drivers that doesn't follow a USRA design and is a spectrum quality model. I need a small steamer to pull light mixed freights. I have a 2-8-2, a 4-6-2, and a 2-8-0, but I am looking for a 2-6-0, 2-6-2, or even a modern 4-4-2 like ATSF's. Making a model that isn't already made (pdlethbridge's point )would mean a one of a kind for bachmann and more sales instead of another bigboy or northern. Bigboys and northerns are made often because there is proven sales because of their popularity, but a small modeler needs a smaller branch line engine or even something to move cars around in a yard. USRA types are chosen because many roads used the type and that model can apeal to a larger group of modelers. Unfortunatley, many of us don't model a line that uses many USRA types. Maybe a generic type from a specific manufacturer would work.
My wish is for the CN "Zebra" paint scheme on GP and SD series locos. I saw lots of them while on an 80's vacation in the Canadian Rockies where the highways and railroads travel through the river valleys. One would frequently see long grain trains, CP Rail "Pac Mans" on one side of the river and CN Zebras on the other, mostly SD-40's. The long trains had mid train helper sets and pushers on the end. I have Bachmann CP Rail multimark units.
http://www.hankstruckpictures.com/pix/rail/70s_slides/file048.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPlmQgo5TWY (love the sound of the old EMD 567's)
BTW, I'm new here. Apologies if it's not appropriate to bring up an old thread, but this one looked interesting and just what I was looking for. Let me know... Thanks
Cheers, Robert
NYC Hudson 4-6-4
PM Pacific 4-6-2
PM Mikado 2-8-2
a RETURN of the painted unlettered 2-6-2!
Being my lazy self today, I have not read all the previous suggestions, so pardon me for any duplicates.
I would love to see an N&W 4-8-0 such as the one at Strasburg. Also would love to see a Pennsy L-1 mikado and a Pennsy B class steam switcher with a slope backed tender.
Quote from: ebtbob on December 31, 2009, 03:54:46 PM
I would love to see an N&W 4-8-0 such as the one at Strasburg.
I think Strasburg's mogul would make a nice model, too. It's a small engine, but it's got all the "modern" equipment like piston valves.
The little consolidation that runs--or used to run--on the New Hope & Ivyland would make a nice model, too.
I would like to see some 4 wheel switcher locomotives in both diesel and steam.
There aren't many of those on the market today and the few that are available are throwbacks to the 1970s and don't run very good. They are geared way too fast, have a 3 pole motor and only drive 2 wheels. Some of them also have rubber drive tires which cause poor electrical contact. The best small switcher I have found is the Roundhouse EMD40 which is now out of production. The EMD40 is all wheel drive and heavy enough to get good traction without drive tires. It also has a 5 pole motor with a flywheel. It is very smooth and a good puller for such a small locomotive. EMD40, http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/chs1309.jpg
Here is one I would like to see modeled, Brookville DES70B center cab http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/mn404.jpg
Or one of these, GE 25 ton http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=87429
Industrial steam loco, 0-4-0T http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/tr_nhtr43.jpg
I think there is another thread like this or I just can't find one of my posts on this one. For new engines to produce I think Bachmann is really missing a good thing if they don't take the boiler from there K4 Pacific and produce a PRR L1 Mikado. The real ones used the same boilers as the K4 so it seems like a natural. It's also one of the engines PRR fans most often lament not having available.
Personally, though, a Spectrum NYC L2 series Mohawk or Spectrum NYC H10b Mike (which might have broader appeal than the Mohawks, sad to say) would be my ideal. I think the NYC engines are among the best looking no matter what era or size you like. Even the NYC 0-8-0 with a switching style tender would be welcome IMHO since I don't much care for the few 0-8-0 engines I have been able to find and look over.
Regards
IHC makes an 0-8-0 switcher, it runs pretty good and only set me back $30, all you need to do is switch out the Magic-Mates for Kadees.
Thanks ABC, I'll find some place to look at one and check it out.
Regards
Here's who I bought mine from, I choose free local pickup, the total cost was $32.99.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360212270594 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360212270594)
It is my understanding that IHC is no more.
Quote from: RAM on January 06, 2010, 10:16:42 PM
It is my understanding that IHC is no more.
Whether they still "exist" or not does not matter, because plenty of sellers have old stock of a lot of the IHC locos at this point, the 0-8-0s are still readily available.
2 things i want to see:
Hudson! wee need affordable Hudsons!
and the c&o 4-8-4 Greenbriers.
Quote from: ABC on January 06, 2010, 10:43:23 PM
Quote from: RAM on January 06, 2010, 10:16:42 PM
It is my understanding that IHC is no more.
Whether they still "exist" or not does not matter, because plenty of sellers have old stock of a lot of the IHC locos at this point, the 0-8-0s are still readily available.
I would assume that Ram was referring to the fact with IHC no longer in business there is no warranty on the item, should there be a defect.