Anyone have one of theses yet? I ask because I bought one today($300) and I noticed one big flaw...the spare cab thats supposed to have a diffrent road number had the same road number as the one already installed.... besides that its a great looking locomotive. I'll post pics if you guys want to see it.
I bought one about a month ago. I'll have to check the road number of the other cab. I put a lenz Silver series back emf decoder in her and she runs great. Does't pull as much as my BLI Texas type or BLI Duplex. Adding extra weight would fix that if I was that concerned. I love it!
The Alleghany made by Rivarossi had the road #1633 on both cab versions (long & short). The new model (by Hornby) uses road #1629. Haven't seen the new version, so I can't say if there are two cabs included. If there are two cabs, I would think they both would have the same number.
The two cabs are different lengths, not two different numbers. Where did you get the idea there were two different numbers? If they had some sense they would make an undecorated version and sell a few to VGN modelers. Oh, and hang a reasonable price tag on it, too.
Virginian is correct. The installed cab is short to allow it to waddle around 18" curves. The other cab is prototype. To change the number one would need to renumber the tender and all the number boards on the smokebox as well.
While there were a few differences between the C&O and Virginian 2-6-6-6s, I would think doing an undecorated, or even doing one with Virginian lettering would be a smart thing to do.
Gene
I will cast my vote for the undecorated idea. If they offer it undecorated I will buy one and if they lower the price even just a little I will buy two or three, not just one.
Serveral in our group have them and they do look and run nice. They pull well also. Not quite as well as the Broadway Class A or Y6b, but close.
Yes, at something under $300 and undecorated, I would buy a few. Are you listening Hornby? Or are you stuck in your European Think?
Sheldon
Hmm, me and my supervisor spent a good bit of today trying to find the diffrences between the cabs and couldn't find any. Compared them side by side and still couldnt find anything
Oh i had the pleasure of test running one for a customer today...i barely touched the throttle before she started moving....
If you have the Rivarossi model (#1633), the difference in the cab is the rear overhang. Can't say whether the Hornby model supplies two cabs.
Quote from: atlanticcentral on March 01, 2007, 08:47:38 AM
and if they lower the price even just a little I will buy two or three, not just one.
Sheldon
Any worthy hobby shop would make a deal with you for a multiple purchase.
"My supervisor and I..." Look at the cab roof. If one isn't longer, you've got an error. Maybe I need to install the prototypical cab tomorrow to verify. Or should I lay yard track....
Gene
Quote from: BaltoOhioRRfan on February 28, 2007, 07:42:50 PM
Anyone have one of theses yet? I ask because I bought one today($300) and I noticed one big flaw...the spare cab thats supposed to have a diffrent road number had the same road number as the one already installed.... besides that its a great looking locomotive. I'll post pics if you guys want to see it.
I saw one at my local hobby shop. The detail was very impressive. It is also a very large loco. It dwarfs my 2-6-6-2.
DrDialTone,
The 2-6-6-2 was a small loco compared to an Allegheny and power wise the 2-6-6-2 was similar to a modern Northern like a N&W J or a Reading T-1, but the Northerns where much faster.
The 2-6-6-2 is 1918 tech, the Allegheny and the Northerns are 1940's tech, way more advanced.
Sheldon
I compared models of the C&O H-5, H-6, and K-4. The H's were only a tad longer than the 2-8-4, though I admit that moth the H-5 and H-6 had "as delivered" tenders.
Gene
Quote from: atlanticcentral on March 02, 2007, 11:25:44 AM
DrDialTone,
The 2-6-6-2 was a small loco compared to an Allegheny and power wise the 2-6-6-2 was similar to a modern Northern like a N&W J or a Reading T-1, but the Northerns where much faster.
The 2-6-6-2 is 1918 tech, the Allegheny and the Northerns are 1940's tech, way more advanced.
Sheldon
Thanks for the back ground. It would really be nice if Bachman included a little bit of history like Proto does about their loco's. Like I said before I loved the detail. Looks like a quality loco. ;D
I also have the Bachman spectrum usra 2-6-6-2. It looks good going around 22" and 28" curves and is a tad bit more detailed.
I'm not sure the Spectrum USRA light Mallet is more detailed than the Riv Allegheny. The one is a 1918 design, the other 1943. Lots of fittings that were external in 1918 were covered in 1940.
Gene
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"Yes, at something under $300 and undecorated, I would buy a few.
Sheldon"
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Sheldon,
I don't know about undecorated but you can get one for $299 from
www.discounthobbywarehouse.net/
"Rivarossi Allegheny $299 #1633"
Bit-a-paint, bit-a-weatherin', i'ud be a charmer.
Yeah, but those raised numbers on the front board are a pain in the you know what, as is trying to avoid a total repaint and still ending up with a nice looking locomotive. I have not had the best of luck removing numbers a la Q-tip. Rivarossi paint is really tough too, unless they have changed it.
Quote from: Virginian on March 10, 2007, 12:08:14 PM
Yeah, but those raised numbers on the front board are a pain in the you know what, as is trying to avoid a total repaint and still ending up with a nice looking locomotive. I have not had the best of luck removing numbers a la Q-tip. Rivarossi paint is really tough too, unless they have changed it.
Virginian,
Yeah, you're right, I forgot about numbers on the front board. If someone wanted 1638, it could be possible to doctor it, from 1633..... at a stretch.....maybe.......if severely weathered......?
Detailing on the Allegheny was quite good, I thought. I have the original Rivarossi from 2002. It has the usual list of details we are all used to now, like....
• Includes two detailed locomotive cabs: The standard cab comes attached for operation on sharp-radius curves, or optional prototype length version for display or operation on wide-radius curves.
• Hand-applied piping
• Tender truck chain
• Blackened metal wire handrails, rods and drivers
• White tires on all wheels
• Working headlight and backup light on tender
• Operating tender water hatches which reveal detailed water bunker interior
• Fully detailed, authentically painted cab interior
• Opening sliding cab roof vents
• Firebox glow lighting effects
• Brass bell, whistle and poppet valves
• Prototypically profiled tender coal load
• Etched metal builder's plate
• Sliding, painted cab windows
• Realistic matte finish which lends itself well to weathering
• Razor sharp lettering and striping
• Attractive, protective display packaging, complete with history booklet, numbered certificate of authenticity suitable for framing
But my ALL TIME FAVOURTITE......
• Positionable butterfly firebox doors
You won't see that one very often.
• Attractive, protective display packaging, complete with history booklet, numbered certificate of authenticity suitable for framing
Mine didn't come with any of those....
Mark,
I will explain again, I want undecorated or unlettered so I can letter it for my own freelanced road. Unpainting or repainting these models is a lot of work. Spraying over the lettering always leaves shadows. In my perfect world, someone would start making undecorated steam locos like the Athearn and Proto diesels where the undecorated versions have the details not assembled so thaey can be painted correctly as desired by the modeler.
Sheldon
Sheldon,
As the Atlantic Central retains steam as the C&O and B&O divests it, the AC buys second hand and repaints. Yes, with certain light and angles the former owner's lettering comes through. Just like in the real world.
Gene
Gene,
That certianly is a plausable senerio, and I may consider that. Up to now the premise has been similar to the N&W except that in the 40's we out sourced some steam bulding to the other roads with big shops (hence the N&W designed 2-6-6-4 and the Reading T-1)
Since ALCO built the Algeghney's, and we already buy a lot from ALCO, I was leaning toward the Atlantic Central being the third road to buy the design when new.
But who knows, if the mood and a money fall together one afternoon - anything is possible.
Sheldon
B&O Fan,
The original box from Rivarossi contained paperwork the new one does not. The first trick is to look at the two boxes. The Riv box is larger than the Hornsby box. The Riv box contains an instruction sheet in English, Italian, French, and German on how to dissasemble, add the scale cab, insert the decoder, add the tender truck chains, etc. It also has the "certificate, suitable for framing" and the history. All of this is missing in the new box. Gained is the fact that the decoder plug is now in the tender, making it much easier to install sound.
Gene
Sheldon,
No need to explain. I remembered you mentioned as one of your criteria, being under $300. I know it does not meet the rest. But I thought I'd let you know :)
Regarding Hornby producing an undecorated version, I know Simon Kohl of Hornby, takes a lot of notice of the British outline feedback, & business requirements permitting tries to produce what is requested. He replies to many queries on Model Rail Express Emag
www.mremag.demon.co.uk/hpsite/index.htm
I don't know if Simon is in charge of Rivarossi as well, but might be a place to start.
I hate to tell you Sheldon, but Lima built the Allegheny, not Alco. The Big Boy was Alco's heavyweight contender. And as Lima's biggest, sadly it was a bit of an embarrassment after they got sued by the C&O over the weight, and it cost them something over $3 million to settle it.
I have always thought the VGN sort of messed up buying their 900s, much as C&O did with the originals. Misapplication. The only time they ever fell in that trap, but with ex-C&O management then on board why it happened is a no brainer. That, and the smokebox air pumps, is another reason why I really welcome an excuse to live without one for another few years. VGN should have bought N&W Class As.
Virginian,
You are so right, I was deeply into some research on Mikados while I was posting that response and got my builders mixed up. But the fact remains, we sure could use some undecorated ones.
Sheldon
I'll agree with Sheldon. It really goes against everything for me to destroy or paint over "Chesapeake & Ohio."
Gene
I bought one of the Hornby/Rivarossi Allegheny locomotives. I also had one of the original Rivarossi Alleghenies. The original had two cabs. The long roof prototypical cab and a short roof cab for 18 inch radius. The Hornby version had two short roof cabs with the same number.
My Hornby version had no paper work or warrantee information. I contacted Hornby USA and I got a pledge form them to send me a long roof cab when they arrive from China in 4 to 6 weeks. Their plan is to send the long roof cabs to the original distributors but I bought mine on EBay and the distributor would not reply to my emails.
There is a PDF file for the instruction sheet at the Hornby USA web sight to replace the missing paperwork.
Sheldon;
I realize that, given it is our money to buy our models and do with them what we wish; but why you-or anyone, for that matter-want an unlettered model of an Allegheny, given who Lima made them for. To me, it is like lettering a GG-1 with B&M herald and pinstriping (Hmmmmm...now that I mention it...)
As I write this, please do not think I am on a negative bent-I am not. It is more or less a curiosity. BTW; I am looking at the Pacifics that BLI are coming out with, and they seem to fit into the New Haven I series engines. I was lucky enough to have been able to watch the commuter trains coming into Quincy, Mass. station with an I-4 or 5 on stud. Believe me, they are indelible memories.
Also, thank you again for the diaphragm sheets. My girlfriend did a double take when she saw the paperwork on my table, and read the header...
Rich
Rich,
I am a freelancer with a fictional railroad, I have to agree that putting prototype lettering on locos that are not even close to what a particular road had is, well, strange.
But for us freelancers anything that fits the theme of our railroad is fair game. And, the C&O was not the exclusive owner of Alleghenies. What about the Virginian? If Hornby does not think they could sell enough lettered in Virginian, what a good compromise, sell some unlettered for the freelancers and the Virginian fans.
My railroad, the Atlantic Central is nestled right in between the the C&O and the B&O and has connections to the WM as well. That provides me with plenty of "prototype" modeling along with building my fictional empire.
I will be buying a number of those Pacifics, my road is very USRA oriented. They will fit right in perfectly.
You are most welcome, guess it was a good thing there where no color pictures attached.
Sheldon
To the best of my knowledge, the Allegheny is ONLY available lettered for the C&O. The C&O is NOT the only road that rostered them. Therefore an undecorated model would be preferable in my eyes to one lettered for the Virginian, as 1) I believe I can do as good a job with a set of MicroScale VGN steam decals than, or 2) a better job for less money on their part, and they don't have to do anything except get blank numberboards made and NOT decorate some of them. That should address the 3 year delivery time to get anything changed/altered. 3) There are freelance modelers who might want to roster one. Therefore I will never understand why a manufacturer does not offer undecorated models. You CAN get an unlettered Big Boy by the way, and UP was the ONLY road to run those.
And, there where more than twice as many Alleghenies as there where Big Boys. I am sure that we have now reached the point with Big Boys where everyone active in the hobby could own all 25. Where do all those things go?
Anyway, an unlettered version of the Allegheny would get my checkbook open, but I'm not paying that kind of money to dissassemble, strip and repaint.
But if Rivarossi, and now Hornby does not want my money that's OK, they have never gotten much of it over the years anyway. Maybe if they where more interested in cunstomers like me, they would still be Rivarossi.
Sheldon
Well said Sheldon. I have a bunch of their passenger cars but only 2 locos.