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Title: Outside frame 4-4-0?!
Post by: ksivils on July 06, 2008, 09:52:45 AM
I hope this is not someone idea of an April's Fool joke delayed until July.  Below is the link to a hobby shop in Japan that is advertising this beautiful model of a "Bachmann" OF 4-4-0! 

Wonderful locomotive!  Once again, if true, it would appear that the Bach Man has hit yet another home run!

A prototype for this little beauty, or at least a similar prototype, was exported to Brazil by Baldwin and is preserved today on the 30 inch line in San Paolo.

http://www.45mm.jp/page174.html
Title: Re: Outside frame 4-4-0?!
Post by: ksivils on July 06, 2008, 09:55:27 AM
Here is the link for the prototype.

My apologies, but the locomotive is not located in San Paolo, Brazil, but rather, Sao Joao del Rei.

http://www.steam.demon.co.uk/trains/pics02/sjdr03.jpg
Title: Re: Outside frame 4-4-0?!
Post by: Bob Peterson on July 06, 2008, 12:38:20 PM
So nice that the truth is being allowed to come out.  Two of u, at least, tried to post to this topic yesterday, and were immediately removed.  It is a really nice looking engine.
Should be a great seller.
   Bob Peterson
Title: Re: Outside frame 4-4-0?!
Post by: japasha on July 06, 2008, 02:47:17 PM
The model is of VFCO #22 which is the locomotive being displayed.  For a 4-4-0 of 30 inch gauge. It makes the Mt. Gretna look puny. This is a Baldwin-built loco that was modified by the Brazilians  over the years.

A good reference for small Brazilian locos is the book "Plus & Minus Two Footers by Carlheinz Hahmann and Charles Small. Pictures in service are on page 92.
Title: Re: Outside frame 4-4-0?!
Post by: Chris333 on July 06, 2008, 04:14:13 PM
This may be the exact locomotive (#22) not sure though:
http://picasaweb.google.com/ErieChris333/On30/photo#5096884919225896578
Title: Re: Outside frame 4-4-0?!
Post by: C.S.R.R. Manager on July 08, 2008, 08:19:32 PM
Check the Products link to the left, then On30 / Steam Locos / Page 4.  And Page 5.  Is it just me, or is the anticipation starting early this year?

Maybe delivery will be early too?

M
Title: Re: Outside frame 4-4-0?!
Post by: Nick_Burman on July 09, 2008, 02:02:17 PM
The loco is a model of OdeM/RMV/VFCO/RFFSA #21 and #22, more specifically of #22 as she looks today. The only fly in the ointment is that if Bachmann used the NG&SLG drawings for the engine there there will be a few detail discrepancies between the prototype and the model - not bothersome especially if one is modelling freelance. Unless Bachmann did the right thing and sent someone to measure the real #22...

Again, this is no engine to hitch on the head-end of a "Shavano" on Marshall Pass, although the prototype could happily keep a 6-to-8 car mixed train on the roll at 25-30mph on the flattest portions of the OdeM main line. Sizewise, she won't be much bigger than the IF engine - the MtG loco is only about 36" shorter (engine only) and about the same height and width as OdeM #1 (which is preserved at the museum at Sao Joao d'El Rey).

There is a possibility that a pro modelmaker in Rio might be releasing kits and build up models of OdeM passenger and freight equipment in On30. These would make a great match for the 4-4-0...

Cheers NB
Sao Paulo, Brazil
Title: Re: Outside frame 4-4-0?!
Post by: japasha on July 09, 2008, 05:35:06 PM
Nick,

Keep us posted on those cars. They were monitor roof cars as I recall. Some of the freight cars might be nice as well.

Give us a site or post some pictures.
Title: Re: Outside frame 4-4-0?!
Post by: amatore on July 09, 2008, 10:27:34 PM
Has anyone thought about putting a sound chip in one of these beauties?
Title: Re: Outside frame 4-4-0?!
Post by: FrankS on July 10, 2008, 07:56:24 AM
Hi all,
Can anyone tell me which NG&SLG the VFCO 4-4-0 drawings were in, please.
Also, have there been drawings if the INSIDE framed (Mt Gretna, is it ?) in the NG&SLG.
Would like to compare the two locos.
Thanx,
Frank Savery
in Chilly Tasmania
Title: Re: Outside frame 4-4-0?!
Post by: hminky on July 10, 2008, 08:12:46 AM
Quote from: amatore on July 09, 2008, 10:27:34 PM
Has anyone thought about putting a sound chip in one of these beauties?

It looks like the same tender as the IF
Title: Re: Outside frame 4-4-0?!
Post by: ebtnut on July 10, 2008, 12:41:10 PM
Not sure about the VFCO plans, but the Mt. Gretna loco plans are in the original Model Railroader Cyclopeida, Vol. 1 - Steam Locomotives.
Title: Re: Outside frame 4-4-0?!
Post by: az2rail on July 11, 2008, 08:28:06 PM
Had I bothered to look a little, I would have found this thread, and would not have started another.

Orginally, I was not to keen on this type of engine, but when I saw a picture of this version, I changed my mind. I will buy one of these, maybe two.

Bruce
Title: Re: Outside frame 4-4-0?!
Post by: trainmanchris on July 24, 2008, 05:58:20 PM
man i'm angre now >:(, i don't even do On30 but i want to get a On30 4-4-0 and it looks fine to me........GET OVER IT ;D
Title: Re: Outside frame 4-4-0?!
Post by: FrankS on July 29, 2008, 11:40:15 PM
This message is directed to Nick Burman in Sao Paulo, Brazil and I apologise foir using the list to contact him.
Hi Nick,
I'm very interested in the possibilities of modelling the whole OdeM/VFFCO line not just the Bachmann OF 4-4-0. From the photos I've been able to find it looks to have been a fascinating line. I wonder If you know of any publications on the line, books or magazine articles?

Perhaps you could reply off list to avoid abusing the Bachmann's priviliges.
Thanx, Frank Savery in Tasmania, Australia
e-mail : franksavery@bigpond.com
Title: Re: Outside frame 4-4-0?!
Post by: Nick_Burman on August 09, 2008, 08:38:30 PM
To Frank Savery: sent you an email in private.

To remainder of list... I will post about the proposed OdeM equipment kits as soon as I have more info (prices, pics), since the project is still in the embrionary stage. What I can say is that there are plans for the following pieces:

- Baggage/Conductor car (also used as cabooses on the freights);
- 1st Class coach;
- 2nd Class coach;
- Steel boxcar (BRCW/Gregg/Magor, ex-Leopoldina Railway converted from meter to 30" gauge)
- Wood boxcar;
- Shorty steel drop-bottom gon;
- Long steel drop-bottom gon;
- "Whale" tank car.

As I've said it'sall still in the pipeline. Most probably the first car to come out will be the shorty gon. Stay tuned.

Cheers NB